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whipkiller
12-23-2010, 3:34 PM
I've lusted after 1911's for awhile, and I think it's time to give in to my desires. Ohhh, bad idea, very bad idea. Must... remain... strong.

Let me start off by saying I will not, (say it again so I believe it) I WILL NOT be spending 4 digits on this, so no need to tell me how great the Les Baer, Wilson Combat, or any other $2,000+ guns are. I'm thinking more in the $600-$800 neighborhood.

What is the best bang for your buck? (pun definitely intended)

What are your opinions on:

Kimber Custom II (Does the .22lr conversion work on all Kimbers, or just specific models?
Springfield (Which model? Operator?)
Para (If so which one and why?)
RIA

Remington 1911's any good?

What about Sig 1911? I know they're new to the 1911 game compared to the others and I've heard people say to stay away from their 1911 for that reason, what say you?

wamphyri13
12-23-2010, 3:38 PM
For your price range, you can get the following NEW guns.
RIA
Springfield G.I. park or SS
Springfield Mil-Spec park or SS
I would recommend the Springfield Mil Spec. Great basic model with a few extra features over the G.I., an can be upgraded and modded to your hearts delight.
Remington is not on the roster.
Ryan

cannon
12-23-2010, 3:39 PM
Why not buy a Colt?

Vanilla Gorilla
12-23-2010, 3:42 PM
the RIA tactical is a nice gun and you get all the nice upgrades stock

tacticalcity
12-23-2010, 3:42 PM
I'm in the same boat as you. Got the 1911 bug bad. You're probably one of the guys who keeps out bidding me on those steal of deal 1911s on gunbroker aren't you? ;)

Auto Ordinance seems to be on the same level as RIA, or so I keep reading. They are supposed to be closer to a true WWII style 1911 than Springfield's GI. Whether that is a good thing or not, or even if it is true I don't know. But they are on the list.

tacticalcity
12-23-2010, 3:43 PM
Why not buy a Colt?

New they seem to be running $800-$1000.

whipkiller
12-23-2010, 3:46 PM
Why not buy a Colt?

I like Colts but I kinda' thought they were in the four-digit range.

I just looked around and it seems they're not as much as I thought.

M-Kay, that's in the mix too.

golfrj
12-23-2010, 3:46 PM
Why not buy a Colt?

What he said, AND If you ever decide to sell it, you will get a Better Price.. Plus it's a Colt.. Have Fun Huntin, Jim

whipkiller
12-23-2010, 3:49 PM
I'm in the same boat as you. Got the 1911 bug bad. You're probably one of the guys who keeps out bidding me on those steal of deal 1911s on gunbroker aren't you? ;)

Auto Ordinance seems to be on the same level as RIA, or so I keep reading. They are supposed to be closer to a true WWII style 1911 than Springfield's GI. Whether that is a good thing or not, or even if it is true I don't know. But they are on the list.

NO, not yet, but hopefully soon.:43:

Mastermason11
12-23-2010, 4:43 PM
I've got the bug too... So self-tituring to look at them so I gave in an took the plunge.. Got myself a Kimber Raptor.

If you are in SoCal, there is a RIA 1911 on sale at ammo bros. I think they are $399

Legasat
12-23-2010, 5:53 PM
SA or Colt (in that price range)

whipkiller
12-23-2010, 5:54 PM
I've got the bug too... So self-tituring to look at them so I gave in an took the plunge.. Got myself a Kimber Raptor.

If you are in SoCal, there is a RIA 1911 on sale at ammo bros. I think they are $399

Ooooh, nice. Let's see a pic. That one's a little higher up the hill from the "Neighborhood" I'm looking at, I am looking at the Custom II, tho'. Did you, or are you going to get the .22LR conversion kit?

Do the .22 kits work on all the Kimbers?

i<3HK
12-23-2010, 5:57 PM
SA or Colt (in that price range)

:iagree:

slowjonn
12-23-2010, 6:10 PM
I'll throw a nod Kimber's way. I have quite a few Kimbers (just scored a Clackamas for under $800 the other day).

There are a lot of people that complain about the Kimbers, but I have NEVER had any of the issues talked about. They are nice guns...period. You won't be disappointed with a Kimber.

Springers are nice, I just don't like how they fit my hand. Two exceptions are still in my safe. You won't be disappointed with a Springfield

Colts, no idea on the newer ones but older 70/ 80 series guns can be found in your price range. You won't be disappointed with an older Colt.

RIA makes a nice gun for their price point, maybe better than what they charge for them. I have a basic model that is my desert gun. Don't have to worry about dropping it, damaging it, etc., they go bang everytime. You won't be disappointed with a RIA

A Para GI Expert, if you can find one (not on the list) is also a nice, accurate base 1911 that would be in your price range. You won't be disappointed with a Para.

See what I did there?! It really doesn't matter which one you get, cause it sure won't be your last. 1911's, no matter the flavor, have a way of multiplying.

Good luck!

BTW, the kimber conversion will work on all their 4 and 5" guns. I have one and it gets shot A LOT!

Black Majik
12-23-2010, 6:12 PM
Under $1000? Colt NRM Government.

Colt
12-23-2010, 6:52 PM
Under $1000? Colt NRM Government.

What he said.

PutTogether
12-23-2010, 6:57 PM
Sub $1000, but over $600, no one will ever be able to convince me that the Sig 1911 isn't the best value there is.

Mastermason11
12-23-2010, 7:05 PM
Ooooh, nice. Let's see a pic. That one's a little higher up the hill from the "Neighborhood" I'm looking at, I am looking at the Custom II, tho'. Did you, or are you going to get the .22LR conversion kit?

Do the .22 kits work on all the Kimbers?


No pics yet.. It's still in the 10-day jail period...

I dont have the 22 kits.. As for now, i dont see a point for getting one...

jptopz
12-23-2010, 7:21 PM
Be careful The 1911 bug can become infectious. First its one then two then three it never seems to stop. I have a Kimber compact, Springfield loaded, and a Sig GSR stainless. The Kimber is my carry piece I trust my life with it. Highly recommended! The Springfield is nice, but I will be doing a lot of up grading, not very happy with it as is. The Sig is my favorite, it is so smooth, clean and crisp. Don't believe all the crud said about the Sig just buy a newer model and you will not regret it.

marathonman
12-23-2010, 7:37 PM
Springfield loaded SS!

whipkiller
12-23-2010, 7:53 PM
Be careful The 1911 bug can become infectious. First its one then two then three it never seems to stop. I have a Kimber compact, Springfield loaded, and a Sig GSR stainless. The Kimber is my carry piece I trust my life with it. Highly recommended! The Springfield is nice, but I will be doing a lot of up grading, not very happy with it as is. The Sig is my favorite, it is so smooth, clean and crisp. Don't believe all the crud said about the Sig just buy a newer model and you will not regret it.

Yeah, that's what worries me.

Is that the Sig in your avatar pic? Damn sexy.:o

jptopz
12-23-2010, 8:06 PM
Yeah, that's what worries me.

Is that the Sig in your avatar pic? Damn sexy.:o

Yes the Sig is my Avatar. I picked it up used for $600 and put a stainless magwell, and VZ Operator grips on it. I didn't understand how smooth it really is until I pick up my Springfield.
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy331/jptopz/IMG_3587.jpg
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy331/jptopz/IMG_3590.jpg

jidokenju
12-23-2010, 9:11 PM
My understanding is that the Kimber .22 kit works with all full-size 1911s.

doc540
12-23-2010, 9:21 PM
Just picked up a pristine used MK IV Series 70 for $700. Lots of cool old civvie and military Colts out there in the OP's price range. Agreed these are not the tacticool models but they are great guns and they are the original 45 ACP.

Listen to this man.

I was looking for a 9mm to shoot, so I bought this way back of $1,000.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Combat%20Commander%209mm/DSCN0670-2.jpg

Easily sold it for north of $1,000 to buy another Colt.

plan-b
12-23-2010, 11:09 PM
Not to throw another wrench into your decision but there's also Smith & Wesson if you're willing to creep a little closer to a grand. Do a search for 1911 posts by Sholling. He's got a ton of knowledge and has had some pretty good things to say about S&W if my memory serves me correctly.

PutTogether
12-24-2010, 12:32 AM
Yes the Sig is my Avatar. I picked it up used for $600 and put a stainless magwell, and VZ Operator grips on it. I didn't understand how smooth it really is until I pick up my Springfield.



This. The Springfields are great guns, but until you get into the TRP models, they just aren't as nicely built as the Sigs.


I'll second the poster that said look for an older colt too. The new colts leave a whole lot to be desired.

B Strong
12-24-2010, 5:46 AM
I'm in the same boat as you. Got the 1911 bug bad. You're probably one of the guys who keeps out bidding me on those steal of deal 1911s on gunbroker aren't you? ;)

Auto Ordinance seems to be on the same level as RIA, or so I keep reading. They are supposed to be closer to a true WWII style 1911 than Springfield's GI. Whether that is a good thing or not, or even if it is true I don't know. But they are on the list.


Auto Ordnance

Unless they made major improvements to their manufacturing process, I'd pass.

Their 1911's back in the 80's were so far off spec that GI parts wouldn't interchange...

I'm a long-time sufferer of the 1911 bug:

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/402/mvc855s.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9717/coltsandothers.jpg

SheepDogHog
12-24-2010, 6:02 AM
Not to throw another wrench into your decision but there's also Smith & Wesson if you're willing to creep a little closer to a grand. Do a search for 1911 posts by Sholling. He's got a ton of knowledge and has had some pretty good things to say about S&W if my memory serves me correctly.

+1, picked up my first S&W 1911 the other day and love it. Favorite of my 1911's.

Ed_in_Sac
12-24-2010, 7:08 AM
Currently have a sig 1911 gsr, it is a fine gun. Nice tight fit and shoots very well. Crimson Trace grips and after market sights work fine, same for mags. Profile of slide is flatter than normal 1911's other than that it just like my old Springfield.

bruceflinch
12-24-2010, 8:45 AM
B Strong, You are such a Show Off! :)

I'm partial to the Paras, but only in 9mm, 40, & 45...:D


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/Bruceflinch/My%20Guns/guns027.jpg

whipkiller
12-24-2010, 9:53 AM
I'm seeing a lot of references to "MIM" parts; what does that stand for?

jptopz
12-24-2010, 9:56 AM
Auto Ordnance

Unless they made major improvements to their manufacturing process, I'd pass.

Their 1911's back in the 80's were so far off spec that GI parts wouldn't interchange...

I'm a long-time sufferer of the 1911 bug:

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/402/mvc855s.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9717/coltsandothers.jpg

Proves my point the bug will become a sickness :D I can only wish to have such a wonderful collection

plan-b
12-24-2010, 9:59 AM
MIM is metal injection molding. It's a less expensive way to make parts that don't need to stand up to serious abuse. Some manufacturers (I hear Kimber come up every now and then) started using MIM and didn't do it right so parts failed. You probably have MIM parts in your car though. Like anything else, if it's done right and used in the right parts, they'll do their job. Some folks are really scared of it and will vehemently deny what I just wrote.

I'll also add that a Kimber Eclipse II is on my want list. I have no fear of MIM. If I did, I'd stop driving.

whipkiller
12-25-2010, 3:16 PM
So who's got the best prices on SA Mil-Spec? (What is a good deal, $650-$700?) Do you guys know who has them available to rent in San Diego?

Other than Bud's, what are the good websites to browse?

fullspeed1
12-25-2010, 4:01 PM
Here's some MIM for ya. Kimber Custom II, $700 from Buds Guns, I added a magwell and Kimber tactical grips for an extra $120. 400 rounds down the pipe with my 230gr handloads and not a single issue.

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr250/fullspeed1/MarksBlackberry007-2.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr250/fullspeed1/MarksBlackberry006-1.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr250/fullspeed1/MarksBlackberry005-1.jpg

whipkiller
12-25-2010, 4:23 PM
Sexy...

hcheese35
12-25-2010, 4:34 PM
I wish this whole 30 day wait would just go away. My collection needs to grow.

whipkiller
12-25-2010, 8:39 PM
So who's got the best prices on SA Mil-Spec? (What is a good deal, $650-$700?) Do you guys know who has them available to rent in San Diego?

Other than Bud's, what are the good websites to browse?

Anybody?


Bueller?

Sam
12-25-2010, 9:56 PM
I wouldn't own a Sig, I think they look like crap. I don't understand why Sig had to mess around with the slide. I know some will say that they like the Sig because it works. One of the reasons I enjoy 1911s is due to their good looks. There are so many options for 1911s that a person can get a good looking gun that shoots well.

Green_Shooter
12-26-2010, 12:21 AM
What do you guys think about Springfield Champion model handgun?
Is it a good one compared to others? I have one I might buy from my friend, and I don't know much about all the differences.

Longbow
12-26-2010, 7:02 AM
Sub $1000, but over $600, no one will ever be able to convince me that the Sig 1911 isn't the best value there is.

This. :iagree:

Longbow

whipkiller
12-29-2010, 4:08 PM
Be careful The 1911 bug can become infectious. First its one then two then three it never seems to stop. I have a Kimber compact, Springfield loaded, and a Sig GSR stainless. The Kimber is my carry piece I trust my life with it. Highly recommended! The Springfield is nice, but I will be doing a lot of up grading, not very happy with it as is. The Sig is my favorite, it is so smooth, clean and crisp. Don't believe all the crud said about the Sig just buy a newer model and you will not regret it.

What is it you don't like about the SA Loaded? I finally found one on the shelf to fondle and it felt pretty good.

*EDIT* To ask, is $899.00 a decent price for Parkerized SA Loaded in a brick-and-mortar store in San Diego?

jptopz
12-29-2010, 5:27 PM
What is it you don't like about the SA Loaded? I finally found one on the shelf to fondle and it felt pretty good.

*EDIT* To ask, is $899.00 a decent price for Parkerized SA Loaded in a brick-and-mortar store in San Diego?

Compared to my Sig GSR 1911, and my Kimber the Springfield's slide is not smooth at all. In fact somewhat rough, and the trigger is crap. At the very least I will have to do a trigger job. The slide should smooth out some over time.

zdragon
12-29-2010, 6:52 PM
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whipkiller
12-29-2010, 7:08 PM
Compared to my Sig GSR 1911, and my Kimber the Springfield's slide is not smooth at all. In fact somewhat rough, and the trigger is crap. At the very least I will have to do a trigger job. The slide should smooth out some over time.

Is the Springfield still pretty new?

msand951
12-29-2010, 7:12 PM
I agree with COLT you'll be happy. I have a 38 super colt and a 45 auto SF. I posted pics before but here are mine. I got my Colt as a gift from my uncle then he gave away his SF to his brother who later sold it to me for 500.
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc479/msand951/DSC02876.jpg

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12-29-2010, 7:23 PM
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gotthelife4u
12-29-2010, 7:27 PM
I shot a Springfield Mil Spec last night. I really liked it, its on my short list for my first 1911. I swear my XD-9 was more recoil than that 5 in steel beast. Too bad I cannot find a Parkerized one in the San Jose area.

j_bauer
12-29-2010, 7:40 PM
I share your fascination with 1911s...

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo337/j_bauer_CTU/1911%20Types/P8280477.jpg

gotthelife4u
12-29-2010, 8:17 PM
I love those grips on the Kimber. Do you mind if I ask where you got them from?

j_bauer
12-29-2010, 8:45 PM
Kimber grips are VZ "Alien". "Skull" medallions purchased from Tombstone Grips, and installed by 1911 Grips Store.

whipkiller
12-30-2010, 12:58 PM
Okay, Springfield Loaded or Sig GSR, and why?

Ready... GO!

jptopz
12-30-2010, 3:54 PM
Is the Springfield still pretty new?

The Springfield is an 09 and cording to the previous owner it has under 500 rounds through it. Don't get me wrong I'm not trashing it. It's just not as nice as I was expecting it to be. I'm sure with a little TLC and parts thrown at it I will come to love it as much as my Sig and Kimber.

whipkiller
12-30-2010, 7:15 PM
The Springfield is an 09 and cording to the previous owner it has under 500 rounds through it. Don't get me wrong I'm not trashing it. It's just not as nice as I was expecting it to be. I'm sure with a little TLC and parts thrown at it I will come to love it as much as my Sig and Kimber.

In looking at Sig's website, I don't see one called GSR.

Do you know what model it's referred to as on their website?

Is your Sig and the SA Loaded at about the same price point?

http://www.sigsauer.com/products/showcatalogproduct.aspx?categoryid=25

jptopz
12-30-2010, 7:51 PM
In looking at Sig's website, I don't see one called GSR.

Do you know what model it's referred to as on their website?

Is your Sig and the SA Loaded at about the same price point?

http://www.sigsauer.com/products/showcatalogproduct.aspx?categoryid=25

GSR stands for "Granite Series Rail". I don't know if they still refer to any of there models as a SGR or not. As far as the cost go I can't say for sure the price of the Sig vs the SA Loaded. I got both of mine used the Sig I got for a smoking $600 and the SA Loaded I traded for my HK USP. With out looking them up I do believe that the Sig is around $1000 or so new and the SA Loaded is around $ 850 new, others can correct me. Do you have a Gun store near you that carry's a large selection of 1911s? If you ever get to Sac area TDS has more 1911's in one place than any other place than any other place I have ever seen. That way you can see first hand the difference.

whipkiller
01-08-2011, 10:46 PM
OK, I'm gonna' do it... Going down to put my first 1911 on layaway tomorrow, unless one of you talks me out of it.
This will be the most expensive gun I've bought yet. ("Yet"... you guys like how I did that?)

SA Loaded 5" barrel Parkerized w/Novak night sights. I think I got them to reduce the price from $899 to $850-ish.

Can anyone think of a reason why I should not do this?

Kay bye, I'm logging off now, just in case some effer actually tries to talk me out of it.:43:

pMcW
01-08-2011, 10:56 PM
Do the .22 kits work on all the Kimbers?

I have the Kimber .22lr kit, and it works just fine on my Springfield GI. I don't have any Kimbers at all, but I suspect that kit would work with all of them, and most other 1911s.

whipkiller
01-08-2011, 11:05 PM
I have the Kimber .22lr kit, and it works just fine on my Springfield GI. I don't have any Kimbers at all, but I suspect that kit would work with all of them, and most other 1911s.

How long does it take to change it out; would you go to the range, shoot .22's for awhile and then switch to .45, or is it more of a hassle than that?

PutTogether
01-08-2011, 11:26 PM
How long does it take to change it out; would you go to the range, shoot .22's for awhile and then switch to .45, or is it more of a hassle than that?

Once you get used to it, 30-45 seconds. When the gun is still totally new to you, a couple minutes.

If going from .45 to .22, remember to give the barrel a minute or two to cool down if you've just been shooting.


The Sigs aren't called GSR anymore, they are called Sig 1911. I think the first name just confused people.

You'll like the Springfield loaded too.

Fishslayer
01-09-2011, 6:59 AM
SA Loaded 5" barrel Parkerized w/Novak night sights. I think I got them to reduce the price from $899 to $850-ish.

Can anyone think of a reason why I should not do this?



Nothing comes to mind. IMO the night sights are a great upgrade. It's the only thing I can think of I would add to my RIA Tactical. Well... THAT and the ability to run JHP & SWC...

Everyone should own a 1911 and a .357 wheelgun.:cool:

whipkiller
01-09-2011, 7:04 AM
Nothing comes to mind. IMO the night sights are a great upgrade. It's the only thing I can think of I would add to my RIA Tactical. Well... THAT and the ability to run JHP & SWC...

Everyone should own a 1911 and a .357 wheelgun.:cool:

Oh thanks a lot, what'd you have to go and say that for?! Your post will probably end up costing me another $500!! :iggy:

Fishslayer
01-09-2011, 7:38 AM
Oh thanks a lot, what'd you have to go and say that for?! Your post will probably end up costing me another $500!! :iggy:

You have no idea. If you catch the wheelgun bug like I did, it'll cost you a LOT more. I started out with a $300 used Taurus 669 (great gun, BTW) as a backup to my .45 bottom feeder. Now I have 2 semis in .45 and 5 wheelguns. Ummm... the Smith & Wessons were a bit more than $300 a pop...:o

Once you drop the hammer on a vintage S&W revolver every other trigger is gonna feel like crap...

Threadjacking complete. Back to 1911...;)

pMcW
01-09-2011, 10:59 AM
How long does it take to change it out; would you go to the range, shoot .22's for awhile and then switch to .45, or is it more of a hassle than that?

On my SA GI 1911, it takes almost no time at all, and I have done exactly what you suggest--probably even switched back and forth multiple times during the same range trip. I also have a nice "idiot-mark" on my frame though. :cool:

The Kimber kit is pretty slick because the whole thing (slide, barrel, recoil spring, etc.) can stay together neatly when it's not on the frame (like most modern autos; the 45 stuff won't stick together like that because the spring guide is not stabilized at the aft end when off the frame.) For that reason I usually keep the 45 parts on in transit if I am taking both slides to the range. Things are just tidier that way.

I'm not sure what changing them out will be like with the loaded that you are going looking at. It's got that 2-piece full-length guide-rod, which might complicate things slightly.

I have my own PX9109L in jail now (8-days left!) too. I'm planning to experiment with different guide rod systems. I have a drop-in GI-length and one-piece FLGR parts on the way from Midway.

pMcW
01-09-2011, 11:09 AM
OK, I'm gonna' do it...

SA Loaded 5" barrel Parkerized w/Novak night sights. I think I got them to reduce the price from $899 to $850-ish.

Did you do it? Did you happen to notice the mainspring housing on the gun that you were looking at?

Everywhere I look, it seems that the SA Loadeds are supposed to come with a flat one. However, I sort of can't remember exactly whether mine (in jail) has the flat one or not. In all the excitement of paperwork and retaking my HSC (which expired just 3 days before!) I didn't exactly notice. However, I sort of wonder if mine might actually have an arched mainspring housing. I remember they pointed out the ILS and I looked closely at that, but I didn't think to check the type of housing.

whipkiller
01-09-2011, 2:58 PM
Did you do it? Did you happen to notice the mainspring housing on the gun that you were looking at?

Everywhere I look, it seems that the SA Loadeds are supposed to come with a flat one. However, I sort of can't remember exactly whether mine (in jail) has the flat one or not. In all the excitement of paperwork and retaking my HSC (which expired just 3 days before!) I didn't exactly notice. However, I sort of wonder if mine might actually have an arched mainspring housing. I remember they pointed out the ILS and I looked closely at that, but I didn't think to check the type of housing.

Not yet, I'll be going after dinner.:jump::tt1::hurray: Yes I did notice, mine definitely has the flat housing, 'cuz I was surprised how much difference it made in the feel. The Mil-Spec I held with the arched housing seemed to cant the gun to the left just a tiny bit, while the flat housing Loaded came up very true to target. It might not be as big a deal for some of you, but I have smaller than average hands.

whipkiller
01-09-2011, 9:34 PM
I am officially infected with the 1911 disease...

$222.11 & 10 days, and I will be the proud owner of a Springfield Armory 1911 Loaded 5" barrel, Parkerized w/ Night sights.

God help me, now I'm already thinking about a Black Rifle.

jptopz
01-10-2011, 5:51 AM
I am officially infected with the 1911 disease...

$222.11 & 10 days, and I will be the proud owner of a Springfield Armory 1911 Loaded 5" barrel, Parkerized w/ Night sights.

God help me, now I'm already thinking about a Black Rifle.

Welcome to the DARK SIDE! :D

whipkiller
01-10-2011, 7:56 AM
Welcome to the DARK SIDE! :D

Why thank you Darth, although I should point out, I'm just reserving my ticket thus far. I've yet to be officially admitted. (or is it "commited"?):nuts: