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MediumFish
12-12-2010, 10:50 AM
Only had a crappy cell phone cam. In the 4th picture, there are actually deer prints that didn't show up in the shadows. At one point, it looked like the cat jumped into a trot/run. :D

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6568/1212000950.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4818/1212000950a.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/304/1212000952.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3882/1212000953a.jpg

MediumFish
12-12-2010, 10:51 AM
Um... it was saying that I had 7 or more images and wouldn't let me post. I only have 6...???

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3548/1212000955.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4681/1212000956.jpg


edit:

Looking at these two pages, I'm still not sure...

http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html
http://www.bear-tracker.com/bobcat.html

Sionadi
12-12-2010, 11:48 AM
looking at the size i'd say bobcat.

180ls1
12-12-2010, 1:55 PM
I dont really have something of size to reference it too but i would go with bobcat also.

duckman1
12-12-2010, 2:10 PM
Bobcat.

JJW
12-12-2010, 2:45 PM
All but one print are feline, next time lay something along side of print for reference ei: pocket knife, dollar bill etc. In your second post, top pic you have a print facing down, looks to be coyote. If the other prints are that size it's more than likely a bobcat.

MediumFish
12-12-2010, 4:32 PM
I had my folder on me! Can you tell that I am an amateur?

The rear prints were a full 3 inches from the bottom of the heel pad to the top of the highest toe. (Based upon comparing it to my palm.)

Also, there are tons of coyote prints on this trail. First time I've come across cat prints here, but I've only been on this trail for a month now. Just hiking... no hunting. :) I see deer prints often, too.

dominic
12-12-2010, 6:30 PM
I'm not seeing the three lobes on the hind pad that indicates bobcat prints. Looks canine to me, since coyote prints are oval not round, I'm saying dog. And since cat tracks never show claw marks like the last picture clearly has, that one at least is a dog print without a doubt.

jawbreaker
12-12-2010, 6:50 PM
I'm not seeing the three lobes on the hind pad that indicates bobcat prints. Looks canine to me, since coyote prints are oval not round, I'm saying dog. And since cat tracks never show claw marks like the last picture clearly has, that one at least is a dog print without a doubt.

This!

GlockBlocker
12-12-2010, 6:51 PM
No, not a dog. Just looking at the last print, there's a leading toe of a right foot. Spaces between the pads don't make the right pattern for a dog either.

Second to last is a left foot with what looks like a coyote track going the opposite direction under it.

I don't think it's a Bobcat if they were really more than 2 inches.

With that, my vote is Mountain Lion.

JJW
12-12-2010, 7:32 PM
I'm not seeing the three lobes on the hind pad that indicates bobcat prints. Looks canine to me, since coyote prints are oval not round, I'm saying dog. And since cat tracks never show claw marks like the last picture clearly has, that one at least is a dog print without a doubt.

One of the things I've learned with wildlife is to not say 'Never'
In any set of Lion tracks you'll find a good 'dog' track and the same goes for large dog tracks, if you follow 'em far enough you'll see one that looks like a good lion track. As far as toe nails showing on a lion track most of the time they don't, in deep mud or a hard change of direction they will. Large dog tracks on hard medium especially with short nails won't always show either. Either way it's difficult at best to make a definite call based on pictures without a size reference.
Just my .02 cents.

ghostrider
12-12-2010, 7:36 PM
CHUPACABRA!!!!!!!!!!!

MediumFish
12-12-2010, 7:40 PM
I clearly saw the pad lobes on the bottom of many prints. The prints that are in the first pictures with many shadows didn't show up as clearly as I would have hoped. Also, since I've seen tons and tons of dog prints up there, these stood out right away.

That print where you see the claw marks... that the start of a few prints where it appears the cat sprung forward... would make sense since that print appears to be the hind print, too. I know from experience that when a cat springs forward, they use their rear claws for traction. (Lap cats, LOL.)

Also, I tried looking at pictures of the cats' paws.

http://www.outdooroddities.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mountain_lion_near_junction_texas_3.jpg
http://www.outdooroddities.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mountain_lion_near_junction_texas_1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_roNlaQ3meBM/S88eo22rw_I/AAAAAAAAAOM/F_dLewpjqQI/s1600/DSC_0001.JPG

The big lion's paw pads really aren't that big. In fact, looking at that tape measure right on that paw... the prints I saw were just a bit smaller... And I now notice that mountain lion paws appear to have more prominent (wider) lobes on the heel pad. Look at this highlight from my picture above:

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9075/1212000952highlight.jpg

In the end, I don't really know. If it's a bobcat...it's gotta be a huge for a bobcat... EDIT: I said before, but it's easy to read over. That print right above is almost 3" from bottom of heel pad to top of the second toe. (I laid my palm down over the print for a size reference.)

taperxz
12-12-2010, 8:08 PM
Could be a young lion

dominic
12-13-2010, 5:52 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_roNlaQ3meBM/S88eo22rw_I/AAAAAAAAAOM/F_dLewpjqQI/s1600/DSC_0001.JPG

The big lion's paw pads really aren't that big. In fact, looking at that tape measure right on that paw... the prints I saw were just a bit smaller... And I now notice that mountain lion paws appear to have more prominent (wider) lobes on the heel pad.

In the end, I don't really know. If it's a bobcat...it's gotta be a huge for a bobcat... EDIT: I said before, but it's easy to read over. That print right above is almost 3" from bottom of heel pad to top of the second toe. (I laid my palm down over the print for a size reference.)

Just look at the picture of the bobcat paw with the calipers on it above, four inches, now tell me that bobcats feet don't get big too. In case you thought it was a picture of a mt. lion paw, look at the white underfur and spots visible on the leg. Not a mt. lion.

MediumFish
12-13-2010, 7:32 AM
Just look at the picture of the bobcat paw with the calipers on it above, four inches, now tell me that bobcats feet don't get big too. In case you thought it was a picture of a mt. lion paw, look at the white underfur and spots visible on the leg. Not a mt. lion.

I knew that was a bobcat paw. And it's 4 centimeters if you notice. :)

MediumFish
12-13-2010, 9:35 AM
Pictures from this morning. I found different cat tracks. Small ones and bigger ones. My knife is 4-1/8" when folded. Tracked the smaller cat's prints to a dropoff into a gulley. Looks awesome in there, but there's no way I could go down the game trail down that I found... it's about 60 degrees down...

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1356/img0005bs.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/img0005bs.jpg/)
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4901/img0006loa.jpg (http://img689.imageshack.us/i/img0006loa.jpg/)
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3092/img0007rdo.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/img0007rdo.jpg/)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3999/img0008ws.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/img0008ws.jpg/)
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9017/img0009gq.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/img0009gq.jpg/)
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4686/img0010kv.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/i/img0010kv.jpg/)

180ls1
12-13-2010, 9:48 AM
well now that you updated those pics they look like Lion tracks, i cant imagine a bobcat being that big.

tony270
12-13-2010, 10:17 AM
IMHO those are definitely bobcat tracks. The soft mud makes them look bigger than the actual paw.

MediumFish
12-13-2010, 10:19 AM
^^^ tony, I was thinking the same possibility.

But I know for sure after this morning, though, that I saw tracks from a larger cat and tracks from a smaller cat. That last picture is a example of the smaller prints.

GlockBlocker
12-13-2010, 10:21 AM
IMHO those are definitely bobcat tracks. The soft mud makes them look bigger than the actual paw.
Any other reasons that make it definitely bobcat? I still think it's too big.

180ls1
12-13-2010, 10:56 AM
some are larger then the others, but i can tell you for certain that those tracks that are very similar in size to the knife are NOT bobcat tracks.

tony270
12-13-2010, 11:24 AM
some are larger then the others, but i can tell you for certain that those tracks that are very similar in size to the knife are NOT bobcat tracks.

This cat left tracks that size;

tony270
12-13-2010, 2:36 PM
Any other reasons that make it definitely bobcat? I still think it's too big.


TTT
Do you see my photo references in the above thread?

CACitUP
12-13-2010, 2:58 PM
I say rub pork grease all over ya and spend the night in the bush. You will probably get your answer soon enough.

GlockBlocker
12-13-2010, 3:11 PM
TTT
Do you see my photo references in the above thread?
Ok, but if most of the time, Bobcat tracks are 2" and less in length and width, and a Mountain Lion tracks are generally in the 3 to 4" range, I'm not understanding how you are so definitive about your guess. I was wondering if you were basing the difference on anything beyond they print bigger in mud, but I guess not.

tony270
12-13-2010, 4:08 PM
I’m basing my guesstemate on not only the area that the tracks are in, but by me being a trapper and a hunter for over 45 years, and my experience on seeing bobcats tracks in soft sand and or wet soil for 45 years. Where do you get your knowledge, nevermind I know, you get that stuff on the internet.
By the way a fair sized house cat can leave 2" tracks in soft or wet soil.

GlockBlocker
12-13-2010, 4:31 PM
Ok, so experience is what you're citing. I wasn't challenging you, I was trying to learn.

Where do you get your knowledge?
I'm just an amateur outdoorsman who's taken a couple tracking classes and has a couple books. I did stay at a Holiday Inn express once though, really!

By the way a fair sized house cat can leave 2" tracks in soft or wet soil. ok... so we've ruled out a house cat. :D


Any books you particularly recommend on the subject?

GlockBlocker
12-13-2010, 4:51 PM
This is what a Mountain Lion track would look like in soft soft soil, mud, snow and or sand. Looks like it's pushing pass 4 " right;

Image: http://www.biggamehunt.net/graphics/photos_talltales/k_wilson_tracks2.jpg

Here, I cut the ruler and moved it to the toes. Maybe this isn't very scientific, but it doesn't look quite 4" to me.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=78583&stc=1&d=1292287844

tony270
12-13-2010, 5:12 PM
MediumFish threw a wrench in the mix with the second set of photos. In that set he shows a different sets of tracks, he uses a 4 1/8" knife as a scale reference too. Those photos are most likely mountain lion tracks, in the first photo he shows some smaller tracks that look to be the size of a bobcats.

180ls1
12-13-2010, 6:26 PM
This cat left tracks that size;

I call BS on that, sure that is a big cat but they are not as big as some of the ones posted above.

180ls1
12-13-2010, 6:27 PM
MediumFish threw a wrench in the mix with the second set of photos. In that set he shows a different sets of tracks, he uses a 4 1/8" knife as a scale reference too. Those photos are most likely mountain lion tracks, in the first photo he shows some smaller tracks that look to be the size of a bobcats.

thats what i was saying....

pieeater
12-13-2010, 6:53 PM
Not every lion is a 160lb Tom there are a lot of females and juveniles ruunin around out there too.

taperxz
12-13-2010, 8:27 PM
Like i said earlier!! Juvenile lion. Or maybe a huge bobcat. I still think juvenile lion. I see prints like that all the time in Lake County. Most bobcats are not that big.