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tygerpaw
07-08-2006, 4:56 PM
Does anyone know what it would take to become a machine gun dealer in our lovely socialistic blue state? :)

Sorry guys, I meant to post in the General Legal section, not OLL.......... mods, please move is need be.

rorschach
07-08-2006, 5:04 PM
IIRC you have to prove to the state that you have a legitimate clientele. Class 3 toys being illegal in PRK for anyone but LE/military, you would have to prove that you have a contract to supply to a LE agency or the federal govt.

tygerpaw
07-08-2006, 5:11 PM
IIRC you have to prove to the state that you have a legitimate clientele. Class 3 toys being illegal in PRK for anyone but LE/military, you would have to prove that you have a contract to supply to a LE agency or the federal govt.

I'm talking if someone wanted to get into it seriously as a business, not just a hobby. The PRK has made it very difficult to get a FFL, so I know it would not be easy, but there must be a way if you were going to be a serious legit business. The benefit of being able to have FA guns would be cool to, but it has to be more than just that......

xenophobe
07-08-2006, 5:20 PM
You need to have a retail or residential location. You need to have a vault room or safe. You need to have an alarm system with direct police notification. You need to have a complete layout of your business address, with location of where such weapons will be kept for both the DOJ and ATF. You will be open to inspection whenever either DOJ or ATF chooses.

You will need a city business license and state resale permit. You will need a COE. You will need an IRS EIN, and you will probably need very expensive insurance.

You will need an 01 FFL. Police approval for your 01 with proper licensing.

You will need a 03 SOT Tax Stamp.

You will need a State Machine Gun and possibly some of the following.... Destructive Device, Short Barreled Weapon, possibly an Assault Weapon permit... You will need to show LEO interest in demoing these weapons to get these permits. They do not issue these state permits without a great deal of scrutiny.

At that point, unless you incorporate, For pre-May86 firearms, you will need a CLEO in your county to sign off on your 03 transfers. For post-May86 weapons, you will need a LEO letter of demonstration and a LEO to sign off on the transfer.

All in all, expect to spend $25,000+ in California to become 03 SOT dealer. And if the local police or county sheriff don't want you to be a SOT dealer, you may not have much choice.

SemiAutoSam
07-08-2006, 5:28 PM
xenophobe

That amount would have been fine for 20 years ago but from my past experience in this area I would say a minimum of 50K

I did it for 10 years and it was very expencive just to stay in business let alone buying weapons and or anything else that would be considered a business expence.

xenophobe
07-08-2006, 5:33 PM
That amount would have been fine for 20 years ago but from my past experience in this area I would say a minimum of 50K

I'm just talking about initial expenses of getting all the licenses, permits.

My 25k does not include monthly costs, any firearms, safes, alarms, insurance, and the time it will take to get everything set up.

You're not the only ex-SOT dealer on this forum. ;)

xenophobe
07-08-2006, 6:11 PM
Don't they get to rummage through your safe and office once a year or something like that? Not just the BATF, but also the CA DOJ as well.

Once a year? As an FFL, yes, as a NFA dealer? Whenever they want, I'm pretty sure.

kantstudien
07-08-2006, 6:36 PM
Surefire is a class 10 FFL (manufacturer of dangerous and destructive devices), so it is possible in California.

leelaw
07-09-2006, 3:07 AM
Machinegun and AW permit prices in CA just went up - depending on the number of machineguns/AWs you have, up to $1,500 per year, per permit. OUCH!

I hear my boss do nothing but complain about it.

Oh, another way you can get into the machinegun dealing: instead of showing contracts or demoing with LEOs, you can get some legitimate movie companies to ask you for firearms as prop guns.

leelaw
07-09-2006, 3:08 AM
Once a year? As an FFL, yes, as a NFA dealer? Whenever they want, I'm pretty sure.

Whenever they damned well want.

And CA DOJ can pull the permits basically without reason, and at any time. :rolleyes:

chris
07-09-2006, 6:07 AM
just a question what does SOT stand for?

Stanze
07-09-2006, 6:25 AM
One of the few Class III FFLs in CA.:cool:

http://nait.com/LAFRANCE/

I've shot some of his full-auto guns(IMI UZI, Beretta M93R, MP5 w/ a suppressor) during a demo many years ago. Good guy. I've seen his M-16K in the movies also(Naked Gun).

-hanko
07-09-2006, 6:25 AM
just a question what does SOT stand for?
Despite its attitude toward rkba, Google is still helpful...http://www.titleii.com/pdf/010205-Form3.pdf

titleii.com has a ton of information on fun stuff.

-hanko

SemiAutoSam
07-09-2006, 6:56 AM
just a question what does SOT stand for?

Special Occupational Taxpayer

Bacially it means this is a privileged occupation and to be in this occupation You must pay the goobermint a TAX each year that you are in this occupation

SemiAutoSam
07-09-2006, 7:01 AM
Despite its attitude toward rkba, Google is still helpful...http://www.titleii.com/pdf/010205-Form3.pdf

titleii.com has a ton of information on fun stuff.

-hanko

THat would be a form 3 its the form a dealer uses to transfer a NFA weapon to another dealer. this form requires no 200.00 or 5.00 tax stamp

A form 4 is the form a dealer (SOT) uses to transfer a NFA weapon to a individual. this form does require a 200.00 or 5.00 tax stamp.