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rorschach
07-05-2006, 8:54 PM
The other thread got locked, so here we go.

Someone said:

I always find it amusing that some people will spend hours reading info. on how to build a legal OLL, but have no problem driving back from NV or AZ with a trunk full of hi-caps. I know, you've had them in storage since you were 12.
Give me a break.

And also said:

I can't tell you how many young 20 somethings I've seen lined-up at my dealers shop to pick-up there 5 OLL's. They've brought in a couch so people can sit and wait. He could probably start selling coffee and cigars.

So, I'm not supposed to own any OLL's because I'm in my 20's?? Is it because all us 20 somethings are irresponsible and looking for trouble?? Sure, I enjoy Beavis and Butthead, comic books, X-Box and punk rock, does that mean I shouldnt own guns?? I also served 4 years in the Marine Corps, and 3 years in the California Highway Patrol.

Im guessing the dealer you speak of is Ade's cause he recently got a couch. Im one of the 20somethings you speak of picking up lowers. I dont have 5 though, I'm up to 11 now. Believe it or not, I do have a bunch of preban mags that I have had since I was roughly 14. Particularly H&R Reising and AR 20-round mags that I "liberated" from my dad. Not all of us under 30 are criminals.

Just had to vent. Now on to business.

Say I owned a post-1994 hi-cap (albeit unlawfully) in California prior to the 2000 ban. It is marked "6/96 LE/Military use only". It's now past 2004 and aforementioned magazine is now legal per Fed law. Would it be legal now under Cal law as well? It was owned prior to the ban in California.

SemiAutoSam
07-05-2006, 9:00 PM
Its also true that some of us that are a little older put away some of these so called hicap mags just in case something stupid happened like what has happened to US in the last 6 years or so.

does this make any sence ? well I didnt think so. Yes I did look ahead and plan ahead even though I didn't own a specific firearm Yes I bought magazines for alot of different weapons just in case.

bwiese
07-05-2006, 9:15 PM
Good man, Sam, I did the same.

In 1999 I bought dozens of hicap mags of various types - 100-110 (lost count) for ARs, 40 for FALs, 20+ for M1A, a bunch for the AR10, and pistol mags for guns I don't/didn't even own yet (Beretta, Sig, HK, Glock).

gidddy169
07-05-2006, 9:26 PM
Personally my friends and myself which are all in our 20's went to the local gun stores and gun shows and bought all kinds of magazines (in 1999) just so we could have them. Many of the guns I still don't own but some I do now. Too bad I didn't have the money for the complete guns then.

RT13
07-05-2006, 9:35 PM
I have quite a few 15+ rounds pistol magazines which I bought in 1998 and 1999 here in CA before the 2000 ban. I had the mags before I had the guns. But someone had told me that my purchased in 99 mags were illegal because they should have been bought before the 94 ban not the 2000. I thought it was ok to buy hi cap mags in CA before 2000 not 94?

Paradiddle
07-05-2006, 9:42 PM
Ade's couch is pretty comfy.

phish
07-05-2006, 9:44 PM
I think everyone should be glad this ain't New Jersey, all magazines over 15 rounds are illegal, even ownership!

pray that the Kaliban doesn't want to keep up with the Joneses...

http://www.anjrpc.org/mags0106.htm

Harbinger
07-05-2006, 9:47 PM
Just had to vent. Now on to business.

Say I owned a post-1994 hi-cap (albeit unlawfully) in California prior to the 2000 ban. It is marked "6/96 LE/Military use only". It's now past 2004 and aforementioned magazine is now legal per Fed law. Would it be legal now under Cal law as well? It was owned prior to the ban in California.

IANAL, but yes it would be legal because the federal law no longer applies and you owned the mags in CA before 2000.

If the person who owns those mags is paranoid, they should go to http://www.cproductsllc.com/ and buy themselves some completely unmarked mag bodies to replace the LE ones. It'll give them peace of mind at the range.

C-products is one of the few mag vendors that will sell replacement parts to California.

Mike

USMC_2651_E5
07-05-2006, 9:50 PM
If you're a CHiPy, you can own hi-caps.

phish
07-05-2006, 9:51 PM
Granted, there's probably tons of normal capacity magazines sitting in wrappers and/or boxes while the owners scrape up the funds to purchase the appropriate gun to put them in. What I find rather fishy are the stashed AR mags that people are trying to find "replacement" parts for.

"But I bought them for my SU-16..." lol, that rifle came out in '02 or '03.

onley11
07-05-2006, 9:57 PM
Just as soon as his boss puts that he needs them for work on official police letterhead. Till then, no dice. I used to work for a highcap mag seller and cops would come in, pick up their gun to show the rangemaster, and come back with a letter to p/u mags. See, cops have to deal with stupid paperwork too. ;)
If you're a CHiPy, you can own hi-caps.

SemiAutoSam
07-05-2006, 9:57 PM
I think everyone should be glad this ain't New Jersey, all magazines over 15 rounds are illegal, even ownership!

pray that the Kaliban doesn't want to keep up with the Joneses...

http://www.anjrpc.org/mags0106.htm

That NJ governor is a lunatic did you hear about him shutting down the government and the casinos what a dork the government makes big bucks from the casinos he is cutting the states throat.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/nation/epaper/2006/07/06/m1a_CASINOS_0706.html

Harbinger
07-05-2006, 9:59 PM
Granted, there's probably tons of normal capacity magazines sitting in wrappers and/or boxes while the owners scrape up the funds to purchase the appropriate gun to put them in. What I find rather fishy are the stashed AR mags that people are trying to find "replacement" parts for.

"But I bought them for my SU-16..." lol, that rifle came out in '02 or '03.

Why are you so suspicious of your own people (gun owners)? A tremendous amount of us bought the best (read horribly abused) AR mags we could afford before 2000, KNOWING that we'd never be able to buy them again. AR mags wear out (bulge, bend and break), requiring replacement parts.

I swear that we are our own worst enemy.

My real question is ... how does it hurt you if some idiot buys mag parts and assembles them into a new mag, then gets arrested (by the magazine police)? Are you going to be suspicious of every replacement part order?

ETA: Please disregard this post. I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the laws/system that has created this environment.

Mike

Dump1567
07-05-2006, 10:04 PM
The other thread got locked, so here we go.

Someone said:

I always find it amusing that some people will spend hours reading info. on how to build a legal OLL, but have no problem driving back from NV or AZ with a trunk full of hi-caps. I know, you've had them in storage since you were 12.
Give me a break.

And also said:

I can't tell you how many young 20 somethings I've seen lined-up at my dealers shop to pick-up there 5 OLL's. They've brought in a couch so people can sit and wait. He could probably start selling coffee and cigars.

So, I'm not supposed to own any OLL's because I'm in my 20's?? Is it because all us 20 somethings are irresponsible and looking for trouble?? Sure, I enjoy Beavis and Butthead, comic books, X-Box and punk rock, does that mean I shouldnt own guns?? I also served 4 years in the Marine Corps, and 3 years in the California Highway Patrol.

Im guessing the dealer you speak of is Ade's cause he recently got a couch. Im one of the 20somethings you speak of picking up lowers. I dont have 5 though, I'm up to 11 now. Believe it or not, I do have a bunch of preban mags that I have had since I was roughly 14. Particularly H&R Reising and AR 20-round mags that I "liberated" from my dad. Not all of us under 30 are criminals.

Just had to vent. Now on to business.

Say I owned a post-1994 hi-cap (albeit unlawfully) in California prior to the 2000 ban. It is marked "6/96 LE/Military use only". It's now past 2004 and aforementioned magazine is now legal per Fed law. Would it be legal now under Cal law as well? It was owned prior to the ban in California.

You don't have to say someone. You can give me credit for my quotes. I'm glad your in your 20's and dialed in. That's not always to case. I've seen a lot of younger guys walk into the shop that may not have all the knowledge needed to build a legal OLL. There's a lot of bad info. going around on what's legal and not. Just read some of the questions that are asked here. Now factor in the other thousands of people that don't even know this site exists. That's great that your dad had mags for you. Some people where 16 in 2000 when the ban happened, and Hi-caps mags were the last thing on their minds. Some people don't even know hi-caps are illegal now, as what started the orig. thread. I remember when I was in my early 20's. I new everything. It's funny how much less I know today. Isn't Beavis and Butthead a little before your time?

USMC_2651_E5
07-05-2006, 10:07 PM
Just as soon as his boss puts that he needs them for work on official police letterhead. Till then, no dice. I used to work for a highcap mag seller and cops would come in, pick up their gun to show the rangemaster, and come back with a letter to p/u mags. See, cops have to deal with stupid paperwork too. ;)

I bought 5 Colt mags a about a month ago and only had to show my brass pass. Albeit they were for work (patrol rifle team), I didnt need a letter form the chief.

Dump1567
07-05-2006, 10:09 PM
Just as soon as his boss puts that he needs them for work on official police letterhead. Till then, no dice. I used to work for a highcap mag seller and cops would come in, pick up their gun to show the rangemaster, and come back with a letter to p/u mags. See, cops have to deal with stupid paperwork too. ;)

Sorry, I.D. card only now.

On a side note. As you can see I've been on this site since 2002, but don't post very often. I find this site one of the most hostile I frequent. It would be nice if all of us CA gun owners could actually get along.:(

SemiAutoSam
07-05-2006, 10:17 PM
I have quite a few 15+ rounds pistol magazines which I bought in 1998 and 1999 here in CA before the 2000 ban. I had the mags before I had the guns. But someone had told me that my purchased in 99 mags were illegal because they should have been bought before the 94 ban not the 2000. I thought it was ok to buy hi cap mags in CA before 2000 not 94?

I think for a while Between when you aquired the mags if it was after 1994 that is and up until 2004 you might have been breaking a federal law That is if they were post 1994 mags

but never the less (correct me if im wrong) since you possessed them prior to 2000 in the eyes of the PRC then your golden.

SemiAutoSam
07-05-2006, 10:18 PM
Sorry, I.D. card only now.

On a side note. As you can see I've been on this site since 2002, but don't post very often. I find this site one of the most hostile I frequent. It would be nice if all of us CA gun owners could actually get along.:(

Didn't rodney king utter those same words just after the verdict of the cops that nearly beat him to death..

onley11
07-05-2006, 10:38 PM
Sorry, I.D. card only now.

On a side note. As you can see I've been on this site since 2002, but don't post very often. I find this site one of the most hostile I frequent. It would be nice if all of us CA gun owners could actually get along.:(

Cool, glad it's less of a hassle now. This site is a little edgy, but people are also pretty sensitive. I just turned thirty, and I think a lot of 18-22 year olds are silly and a lot of 40+er's are cranky. But I can think that and say it. It's when you single a person out that they get enraged. The point here is to be able to have a difference of opinion, discuss it, and resolve it. Not just to show how damn smart you are and how dumb someone else is.

Oh yeah, and to pick peoples brains. There are some smart people here. Even ones under 22 and over 40:) .

chris
07-05-2006, 10:40 PM
the one thing i have seen about gun owners in CA is we are own worst enemy. we are at fault for the anti-gun climate here. election day results show it.

as for the magazines i have had 13 or so for many years and they sat for years before i bought my bushmaster. i have thought of buying mag bodies for just in case stuff. so i have them on hand incase one of my magazines takes a crap. i take it is legal to own spare parts for your magazines.

the ban on magazines is really unreallistic. it seems that there is no way to prove when you bought or came into possesion of said magazines. we all know this law is a total mess and should be repealed and that will dam near impossible in Kalifornia.

SemiAutoSam
07-05-2006, 10:43 PM
Cool, glad it's less of a hassle now. This site is a little edgy, but people are also pretty sensitive. I just turned thirty, and I think a lot of 18-22 year olds are silly and a lot of 40+er's are cranky. But I can think that and say it. It's when you single a person out that they get enraged. The point here is to be able to have a difference of opinion, discuss it, and resolve it. Not just to show how damn smart you are and how dumb someone else is.

Oh yeah, and to pick peoples brains. There are some smart people here. Even ones under 22 and over 40:) .

SO us over 40 guys are cranky huh.........

rorschach
07-06-2006, 2:19 AM
If you're a CHiPy, you can own hi-caps.

Not anymore, that was back in 1999-2002. CHP isnt a very gun friendly organization anyway. Everybody gets a .40, no ifs ands or buts. Off duty, you had to select from a list, and there were ZERO 1911 types. The only cool things were we could use IDPA as credit towards monthly quals, and I got to shoot an MP5 once.

And yes, Ade's couch IS quite comfy. With an awesome view of the rifle rack and bulletin board. Last time I was there some Adam Henry forgot to wipe or something cause that couch smelled like dirty fart.

I'm sorry if I came unglued earlier, it just seems that im sensing a bit of a elitist attitude, much like ARF.com. Just this week I got all kinds of crap from a "real" HK owner for owning a PTR. I think if anything, we should be helping young gunowners, yes even the stupid uninformed ones that seem to have caught much wrath here. After all whos gonna keep the torch lit after all you old timers are marking time in your rocking chairs?

BTW Beavis came out when I was a sophmore.

colossians323
07-06-2006, 6:24 AM
I think if anything, we should be helping young gunowners, yes even the stupid uninformed ones that seem to have caught much wrath here. After all whos gonna keep the torch lit after all you old timers are marking time in your rocking chairs?

BTW Beavis came out when I was a sophmore.

Amen, and Amen

MisterDudeManGuy
07-06-2006, 7:30 AM
I see a lot of threads that are based upon disagreements over interpretation of the AW laws, and it sometimes gets personal. The mag issue is a good example. To disagree is characteristically American - we value the ability to disagree with anyone, even the government. But that does not necessitate turning the disagreement into something personal.

I am not really saying this to anyone. I have been on this board too short of a time to know any of the personalities. I am just putting it out there. I have, at times, turned arguments of ideas into arguments of personalities. We all have. But to join together to meet the call of a larger goal, personalities sometimes have to take a back seat to the issues.

I always try to remember that the AW laws are purposely made to be confusing, and so they are easy argument fodder. Really, we need to keep in mind that it's not our opinions over the interpretation of the laws that matters, but LE's interpretation.

The only way we will be able to effect change in the laws we disagre with is to find common ground in the issues we do agree upon and to build strength through mutual support and directed action. Us old, cranky guys (I am one) need to understand that the younger guys oftentimes see things differently simply because they are on a part of the path that we were on 20, 30 or 40 years ago. I won't say lack of experience, but I will say - different experience. Things a 20 year old deals with these days makes my 20's seem like Disneyland, so I personally can learn from someone 20 years my junior, and they can learn from me.

I sure would like to see the AW laws change out here, and I'm willing to be less cranky if that means that more of us can exchange ideas in a constructive manner, keeping in mind that the goal is to make California - no the nation - more free than it is today. The California AW laws fly in the face of Federal law, and are an example of state's rights run amok. The people who are charged with the responsibility of making the change are here, right now, on this website. See a problem, own a problem.

We can either be a rabble and get nothing (or worse, lose everything), or we can act like Americans. The best thing we could do in August is to show a unified front of active voters who are willing to take political action. That is what elected officials fear.

I believe that it is the silent majority that wants California to be safe, and have laws that punish offenders of the law, rather than law-abiding citizens whom the laws are supposed to protect. Unfortunately, I also believe that more of the whiny, petulent, protectionist minority actually gets out and votes.

Dump1567
07-06-2006, 8:59 AM
Didn't rodney king utter those same words just after the verdict of the cops that nearly beat him to death..

It was actually "can't we all just get along". These words were spoken to the disenfranchised that decided to burn down their own neighborhoods after the not guilty verdicts.:rolleyes:

I'm all for helping newbies, be it young or old. I've spent countless hours at Ade's helping people make gun choices and educating others on CA gun law. Infact, almost every time I'm there, I see someone from a prior visit. I've been a student of the gun for almost 20 years, be it shooting, collecting, gunsmithing, and competition. I've learned a lot, forgot a lot, and have a lot to learn. I'm sorry if I seem elistist to some, I just have a low tolerance for gun shop lore, myths & legends, or just plain nonsense. CA gun laws fall somewhere in between.;)

chris
07-06-2006, 10:06 AM
the laws in this state are very complex it helps us all when we talk to people about the law and educate them. hopefully they will come to the conclusion who makes these laws and how it will affect them when they decide to buy a firearm.

onley11
07-06-2006, 10:53 AM
SO us over 40 guys are cranky huh.........
See.....:D
(BTW... Since I'm 30, does that make me cranky and stupid? I don't know everything anymore, and I'm starting to ***** about teenagers...:D )

megavolt121
07-06-2006, 11:05 AM
See.....:D
(BTW... Since I'm 30, does that make me cranky and stupid? I don't know everything anymore, and I'm starting to ***** about teenagers...:D )

Only cranky.. you need 10 more years to build up the stupidity.