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GTKrockeTT
07-05-2006, 11:14 AM
Okay, so many of you know that RRA isn't beyond the prototype stages for their 10 round UZI magazines, and apparently won't be able to deliver until close to X-mas (from the horse's mouth).

http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=9MM0116&storeid=1&image=9mag.gif

But, they do have plenty of their 25 round UZI magazines in stock that run around $35.

I have a source that is willing to modify the 25 round magazine by milling the mag catch and welding an insert in the magazine body to permanently alter the capacity to 10 rounds. The cost, around $20. With shipping costs factored in, we're looking at about $60-70 per magazine. However, the source will deal only in bulk, so I'm trying to gauge the level of interest in these. I am doing this to source my own magazine, and will not be making a dime off of it.

Now, if a dealer, let's say tenpercent, wants to take this and run with it, I'll be happy to supply the info, and wipe my hands clean of it. One caveat, I get to be first in line for a magazine.

One thing...the UZI magazine will not activate the last round hold open feature. If you require that feature, you'll need a Colt factory magazine which is closer to $60, bringing a ~$90 total cost.

Henry47
07-05-2006, 11:40 AM
count me in for 1. $60-70 is better than $90-100 for one magazine.

GTKrockeTT
07-05-2006, 12:11 PM
count me in for 1. $60-70 is better than $90-100 for one magazine.

somehow, i knew you would.;)

tenpercentfirearms
07-05-2006, 5:43 PM
I too am also working on this, but I don't think my price is going to be quite that high. I already had someone tell me how to do it and so I am just waiting for my mags to come in from RRA so I can see how hard the process is and if I have the skills. I think I can do it and so that will cut out a middle man and we might be able to keep the costs down. If nothing else it will make Rock River realize they need to get their butts in gear and make this happen before they get left in the cold.

GTKrockeTT send me an e-mail (guns@tenpercentfirearms.com) and lets see how many you need and I might be able to take care of you without all of the hassle. I ordered six mags to start and I think I only have 4 or 5 guys right now that I feel obligated to. I don't want to steal your thunder. I too am not sure if I want to hassle with all of this, I am mainly in it right now for my customers and my mags and then I can make a profit later if the demand is there.

JPglee1
07-05-2006, 5:48 PM
One thing...the UZI magazine will not activate the last round hold open feature. If you require that feature.


Couldn't you TIG weld a pad or something on the follower to get it to hit the BHO??

Im not familiar with ARs enough to remember exactly how the parts look (altho I can take it apart and reassemble when in front of me LMAO)


J

JPglee1
07-05-2006, 5:50 PM
http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/colt2stenmags.html

Why not just do what he suggests? STEN mags are a LOT cheaper and easily obtained...


JP

tenpercentfirearms
07-06-2006, 5:19 PM
The mags arrived today. All six are now spoken for. Tomorrow I will get with my partner (he has more technical skill) and see what we can do about getting these babies permanently modified to ten rounds. The price will stay $40 for you six that are on the list and if it works and you guys give them a thorough testing out, expect the price to match RRA's of $45 for any future mods. Thanks and stay tuned.

grammaton76
07-06-2006, 5:25 PM
Here's a crazy thought, which probably isn't even legal in CA.

Everyone's seen the thing you can do with duct-taping mags together, or using those fancy mag holder things.

What about cutting an originally-30rd uzi mag tube so that you can install a surface in the center, then a second spring and follower in the bottom, thus achieving two 10rd feed areas on opposite sides of the mag? Obviously you'd also have to cut off the bottom and create feed lips on it.

The sad thing is that I already am pretty sure that this would be considered a large capacity magazine due to the same magazine body being used on both 10rd segments, thus having a 20rd capacity in the magazine.

Just sounds kind of intriguing...

JPglee1
07-06-2006, 5:43 PM
They are available like that for 10/22s, and it would only be a 10rd mag, not a 20rd, you can't feed all 20rds w/out flopping the magazine over first.


Weird idea, I like it :D


J

tenpercentfirearms
07-14-2006, 7:51 PM
So I have a customer call today and we are chatting and he says something about his RRA 9mm.

I asked, "What are you using for magazines?"

He responds, "The RRA mags."

I say, "The RRA 10 round magazines?"

He says, "Yes."

I say, "How did you get those?"

He states, "They shipped them to me. I ordered 3, but they only sent me 2."

I explain to him how they told us they are in the prototype stage and how we still don't have ours. He said he ordered his about a month or two ago, I told him we ordered ours in April.

RRA what the heck are you doing? I am calling them on Monday.

I still have to find a welder. I will hopefully have enough time this week to get this done for us. Life is busy and I am trying.

GTKrockeTT
07-14-2006, 8:24 PM
RRA is pissing me off with their shenanigans.

NorCal MedTac
07-15-2006, 8:10 AM
RRA is pissing me off with their shenanigans.

Its not just RRA. I've been waiting for my .22 upper form Bushmaster for about 5 months when I ordered they said it would be two weeks. Funny... "two weeks" its not just for tin foil hats anymore. Olympic arms was the same way about the .40 cal upper till I called them every day for a week. I think its such bull******** when companies advertise products they don't actually have.

tenpercentfirearms
08-10-2006, 10:32 AM
I went to the metal man today and we did a test run and what do you know, it works!!! We drilled two holes on each side of the front and back of the magazine. We measured out 16 gauge sheet of metal 1/2" wide and one side is 3 1/16" and the other is 3 1/4". I recessed them down the mag 1/4". We welded the plates to the mag through the holes on the outside. I put in 10 rounds and that tenth one fit ever so perfectly. Then bam, the 11th round could not be forced into it! And since the DOJ is on a welding kick, this baby is welded!

Tomorrow morning we are going to do the other 5 magazines and then I will probably hang up my hat as a 9mm Uzi mag specialist. Thanks to my customers for being patient and thumbs down to RRA for advertising a magazine that they are now saying won't be ready until next year. :mad:

GTKrockeTT
08-10-2006, 10:48 AM
best news i've heard all week!

grammaton76
08-10-2006, 10:54 AM
Tomorrow morning we are going to do the other 5 magazines and then I will probably hang up my hat as a 9mm Uzi mag specialist.

If you're going to stop making them, can you post detailed specs so that others can replicate 'em? Like measurements of where to put the hole, or(my fav) a 1:1 scale PDF with a hole marked 'drill here'?

I wouldn't be asking if it seemed you were going to keep making 'em...

Red Flag
08-10-2006, 4:56 PM
I went to the metal man today and we did a test run and what do you know, it works!!! We drilled two holes on each side of the front and back of the magazine. We measured out 16 gauge sheet of metal 1/2" wide and one side is 3 1/16" and the other is 3 1/4". I recessed them down the mag 1/4". We welded the plates to the mag through the holes on the outside. I put in 10 rounds and that tenth one fit ever so perfectly. Then bam, the 11th round could not be forced into it! And since the DOJ is on a welding kick, this baby is welded!

Tomorrow morning we are going to do the other 5 magazines and then I will probably hang up my hat as a 9mm Uzi mag specialist. Thanks to my customers for being patient and thumbs down to RRA for advertising a magazine that they are now saying won't be ready until next year. :mad:

Whoooo hoooooo!!!!!

tenpercentfirearms
08-10-2006, 8:39 PM
If you're going to stop making them, can you post detailed specs so that others can replicate 'em? Like measurements of where to put the hole, or(my fav) a 1:1 scale PDF with a hole marked 'drill here'?

I wouldn't be asking if it seemed you were going to keep making 'em...
Did I just do that above? This isn't rocket science! We will see. Let me see how things go tomorrow and let me see how my customers like them.

I went and shot the first one today. About 50-60 rounds and not a single malfunction. I did notice that the tenth round fits in and then it doesn't go down much after that. That made pulling the bolt back a little bit tougher because it couldn't compress the rounds down very far, but it still functioned. That mag will probably go to the last guy on the list. :evil:

So tomorrow I will be a little more exact on my measures and try to give a tad bit more space without getting too close to that 11th round.

IT WORKS!!!

Pictures later on.

tenpercentfirearms
08-11-2006, 12:37 PM
They are finished! Now, I am going to just sell these babies to you guys "as is" and the price is going to stay at the $40. Here is what we are looking at.

I am going to test fire everyone of them tomorrow or Sunday. They absolutely will not take 11 rounds, period. Now one of them only takes 9 rounds. Some of them are so tight that it might have ten go in, but I am not sure if the bolt will come back so they might only be 9 rounders. I will find out tomorrow. The welding on some of them looks better than others. They aren't horrible, but they don't look like brand new UZI mags either.

Basically I think they will do what we want them to do. Function in our rifles and be ten rounds so we can finally shoot our guns. Depending on what kind of job RRA does, you might want to invest in a nice RRA mag once they finally get them finished and for sale.

So I did it. We will be shooting our rifles by next weekend ladies and gents. I will ship them out Monday, so if you want anything else added to your order, let me know.

And for the rest of you, I will outline what I did so you can replicate this process if you want. I must admit, it was not my idea, it was suggested by one of our own members.

Red Flag
08-11-2006, 2:02 PM
Allow me to repeat ,myself....
"WHOOOOO HOOOOO!"

tenpercentfirearms
08-12-2006, 5:29 PM
Ok, the testing is done and they worked great. Only one magazine gave me some feed problems, until I figured out it was the 9mm ammo I was using. I put another 20 rounds through it with better ammo and not a problem. My RRA 9mm upper is working great. I am really impressed.

So again, these things will be coming to you as is. One of them only holds 9 rounds and the others actually seemed to charge fine with 10 rounds, so I think you will be happy. The last guy that signed up last will get the 9 rounder.

Again if you need anything else e-mail me and I will add it to your order. I will probably e-mail or phone everyone to double check that you still want them. I will be doing no more and will simply wait until RRA gets their act straight. These babies don't look good enough that I would want to commercially sell them. They work and I know us six will be happy, but I don't want to take a risk with someone who doesn't understand the situation ordering up some more and being upset. And I honestly don't want to hassle with going to the machinest again.

kantstudien
08-12-2006, 5:37 PM
I explain to him how they told us they are in the prototype stage and how we still don't have ours. He said he ordered his about a month or two ago, I told him we ordered ours in April.

They probably shipped him the 25rd mags, he he.

Red Flag
08-17-2006, 6:05 AM
Got my mag the other day, OUTSTANDING job Wes! Will be testing it out next week. Pics to follow :)

Only issue....like you said, sometimes kinda hard to get the bolt back with the 10th round in.

Chris

tenpercentfirearms
08-17-2006, 10:05 AM
Yep, they aren't perfect and that is why I only did six and will never do anymore. I don't like selling something that isn't of the utmost quality. This was a special case where I am pretty sure all of us wanted anything rather than having nothing.

GTKrockeTT
08-17-2006, 10:12 AM
Yep, they aren't perfect and that is why I only did six and will never do anymore. I don't like selling something that isn't of the utmost quality. This was a special case where I am pretty sure all of us wanted anything rather than having nothing.

9 rounds are better than none. ;)

thanks wes, got my stuff yesterday. the welds add...character and personality, if you ask me. :D appreciate the other items as well.

thanks again, hope to get up a range/function report soon.

Red Flag
08-17-2006, 10:15 AM
Yep, they aren't perfect and that is why I only did six and will never do anymore. I don't like selling something that isn't of the utmost quality. This was a special case where I am pretty sure all of us wanted anything rather than having nothing.

I am not worried about it. Now I can start teaching my kids and not blow a wad of cash each time we go shootin :)

I am a happy little camper :)

Chris

Henry47
08-17-2006, 12:01 PM
how did you guys get your mags so quickly? I think I sent my money order 1-2 days after Wes' update and just got it sent out. Did Wes personally deliver them to your door? I'm jealous that everyone's getting theirs first and get to play with their 9mm builds before me. :(

Red Flag
08-17-2006, 12:13 PM
Hehehe,
I placed my order in April :)

Chris

GTKrockeTT
08-17-2006, 12:27 PM
how did you guys get your mags so quickly? I think I sent my money order 1-2 days after Wes' update and just got it sent out. Did Wes personally deliver them to your door? I'm jealous that everyone's getting theirs first and get to play with their 9mm builds before me. :(

credit cards > m/o

tenpercentfirearms
08-17-2006, 1:37 PM
Tis true, credit cards ship quicker than money orders! Don't fret Henry, yours probably left Taft at 7 AM this morning and you should have it Friday, hopefully no later than Saturday.

hoffmang
08-17-2006, 1:58 PM
10... Your going to cost me way too much money...

Big Al Nasty
08-17-2006, 4:18 PM
I got it today Wes! GREAT JOB! Works flawlessly! It was worth the wait.

PS: it looks sooooo cool

Alex

GTKrockeTT
08-17-2006, 7:24 PM
10 rounds...with ease!!! :D

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1664/img1051mediumpb5.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7531/img1052mediumhk4.jpg

tenpercentfirearms
08-18-2006, 5:36 AM
I like how the lighting in those pictures totally hides the welds!

Oh, and sorry that my machinest didn't quite grasp that he shouldn't go cinching down on them with his vice or he might mar the finish. DOH! He wasn't a gun guy at all.

Mike Searson
08-18-2006, 6:18 AM
So do RRA 9mm rifles run on unmodified uzi mags?

tenpercentfirearms
08-19-2006, 10:12 AM
Nope. You have to cut a basket ball key with circle shapped hole into it to let the AR mag catch work.

Mike Searson
08-19-2006, 3:28 PM
OK, thanks.

Anyone know of a 9mm AR that lets you run uzi mags without ********ing them up?

I need the mags to run in my Uzi as well.

Red Flag
08-19-2006, 4:15 PM
OK, thanks.

Anyone know of a 9mm AR that lets you run uzi mags without ********ing them up?

I need the mags to run in my Uzi as well.

The RRA's run the Uzi's just fine. We cant have the 25 rounders here in Cali, 10 rounds only. Thats why they got modified.

Chris

tenpercentfirearms
08-19-2006, 9:52 PM
As far as I can tell, once you make the AR15 conversion for them, they will still work fine in your uzi.

GTKrockeTT
08-25-2006, 6:05 PM
Wes, thanks a bunch for the magazine, had the chance to take her out to the range. About 200 flawless rounds downrange before I got tired of breaking her open. :D

tenpercentfirearms
10-21-2006, 10:40 AM
Great, great news! C Products will have high quality, stainless steel 10 round 9mm magazines for us by Christmas! These will not be Uzi conversions, but actual AR15 Colt pattern 9mm magazines that will fit in our RRA builds. The best part, they most likely will only be $35!!! I will probably even make some package deals for them just like my other mags and offer quantity discounts! I have been giddy all morning long with the news.

I will have to take my Ten Percent Firearms 10 round special magazine that I welded and mount in on the wall in tribute to these trying times when we didn't have such a great option. :D

GTKrockeTT
10-21-2006, 10:47 AM
Great, great news! C Products will have high quality, stainless steel 10 round 9mm magazines for us by Christmas! These will not be Uzi conversions, but actual AR15 Colt pattern 9mm magazines that will fit in our RRA builds. The best part, they most likely will only be $35!!! I will probably even make some package deals for them just like my other mags and offer quantity discounts! I have been giddy all morning long with the news.

I will have to take my Ten Percent Firearms 10 round special magazine that I welded and mount in on the wall in tribute to these trying times when we didn't have such a great option. :D

but, your 10 round special has performed so admirably. notice i said peformed, not looked. :D :p

tenpercentfirearms
10-21-2006, 11:04 AM
I was the first to admit they were nothing pretty. That is the main reason I decided to only do six of them, they were so hideous that I couldn’t in good conscience sell any more! :D

krim
10-21-2006, 11:05 AM
Great, great news! C Products will have high quality, stainless steel 10 round 9mm magazines for us by Christmas! These will not be Uzi conversions, but actual AR15 Colt pattern 9mm magazines that will fit in our RRA builds. The best part, they most likely will only be $35!!! I will probably even make some package deals for them just like my other mags and offer quantity discounts! I have been giddy all morning long with the news.

I will have to take my Ten Percent Firearms 10 round special magazine that I welded and mount in on the wall in tribute to these trying times when we didn't have such a great option. :D

this is great news!
it'll be a great when i open my christmas present to myself christmas morning! :D

GTKrockeTT
10-21-2006, 11:13 AM
I was the first to admit they were nothing pretty. That is the main reason I decided to only do six of them, they were so hideous that I couldn’t in good conscience sell any more! :D

well, in all fairness, having to break open the upper is pretty damn hideous in itself. so, no complaints here. thanks again wes.

tenpercentfirearms
10-21-2006, 11:17 AM
well, in all fairness, having to break open the upper is pretty damn hideous in itself. so, no complaints here. thanks again wes.
Well you can always go the MonsterMan route! Crap, that reminds me, I have RRA 9mm Muzzle Brakes I need to add to my website!

Wait, I already did and I just forgot about it.

tenpercentfirearms
01-05-2007, 6:36 AM
C Products is telling me the 9mm magazines won't be until the 2nd or 3rd week of February. :(

luvtolean
01-05-2007, 7:03 AM
Is there any update on whether they'll have the bolt hold open?

I got out and shot my bubba'd Colt 32/10 rounder recently, and it sure is nice having the weapon work properly.

tenpercentfirearms
08-30-2007, 8:59 PM
A quick update. I have C Products 20 and 32 round 9mm magazines. I haven't shot them yet, but might try to build a featureless build and test them out this weekend.

More importantly, since I actually dropped in on C Products over my vacation, they like me now. I am constantly bugging Larry and he says the ten rounders should ship next week! Of course they also said December of 2006 too, but I think they mean business now.

Also C Products is not making any 10/20 or 10/32 9mm magazines. If anyone is selling them advertised as such, they are doing the modifications themselves. The C Products 10 round 9mm magazine is supposed to be a straight up 10 rounder, not modified from a 20 or 32 round magazine.

SFV_Dealer
08-31-2007, 6:17 AM
Great job Wes @ 10% ! We are doing the same thing!
In addition to the 25/10 RRA mags that don't offer bolt hold open feature,
Metroshot just got in the 9mm C PRODUCTS 32/10rd magazines that are COLT pattern which means they hold the bolt open after the last shot! 32/10 are in stock and the 20/10 will be coming in next week! Just another better item for Calguns members!
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/079471000/79471456/pix1369011531.jpg
Stop by this Saturday for the BIG LABOR DAY SALE - no taxes on uppers, rifles and pistols in stock!

PIRATE14
08-31-2007, 6:37 AM
Well...........I might as well chime in as well......

We have converted RRA mags......these are done by the same guy who builds the 10/30 AK.....HK...FAL....mags that we have;)

And we have the C-products one as well........as usual it's about choices......

I also have some COLT 9MM kits but they aren't cheap and they are police trade-ins............might be too many parts for some to handle.....:43:

tenpercentfirearms
09-27-2007, 4:16 PM
Finally, the moment we have all been waiting for.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=70378&highlight=9mm+round

PIRATE14
09-27-2007, 5:20 PM
Ya......some people were getting skitish........but we finally got our big shipment.........:chris: