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sharxbyte
11-28-2010, 5:47 PM
I know nothing about this particular rifle except that its the m98 variant, and my dad got it from someone up in WA. Its currently at my uncles house in OR., but my dad said that I can have it, providing I give him a little for it.

The options I am considering are these:

Get it "tuned up" (take it to a smith and see that everything is in working order) to use, or to sell and put the money towards getting my Ruger.

Leave it as is, and sell it for the same purpose

Leave it as is and keep it as a collectors.

I don't think I will keep it because I don't have any sentimental value for it, and the upkeep and ammunition would be exceedingly expensive, especially since I just want a plinker, and I'm not into collectibles.

I know condition has a lot to do with this, but can anyone give me a ballpark price for one of these? (preferably prices for guns in firing order/restored, and guns that haven't been fired in a long time, and/ or wont shoot)

Any other ideas of what to do with it? Anyone interested in purchasing?

Thanks for the help in advance.

___________________

EDIT: here are some pics. I didn't take them, so couldn't get detailed pictures of the insignias, But I'm pretty sure the bird on the side of the action is a Prussian eagle. The engraving on the side of the stock is Ver Dun, possbly referring to the battle of Verdun in 1916(and if it is then this rifle was brand new for the battle) When I can get more detailed pictures of everything then i'll post more pics and info. I know the top of the chamber has "BERLIN" stamped on it with "1916" right below it; on the side of the action is "gew" in fancy letters, and the numbers "98" beside it.


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic6.jpg

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http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic1.jpg

See my next post for 6 more

Dr.Mauser
11-28-2010, 5:58 PM
As far as prices go it depends on what country made it, condition, markings, corrosion inside the barrel, and few other things I cant think of off the top of my head, lets see some pics and go from there.

sharxbyte
11-28-2010, 6:06 PM
Going up there for Christmas. I'll get the gun and some pics then

EDIT: here are 6 more pics I couldn't put in the first post

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic12.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic11.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic10.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic9.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic8.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/pic7.jpg

paul0660
11-28-2010, 6:22 PM
Need more info, since it is worth between $100 and $100,000. It actually would cost little to keep and shoot.

sharxbyte
12-02-2010, 9:46 PM
will get more info asap.

might be able to get pics from my aunt before we head up in 3 weeks

Mssr. Eleganté
12-02-2010, 9:54 PM
Going up there for Christmas. I'll get the gun and some pics then

Make sure to follow all laws on interstate firearms transfers. :thumbsup:

knucklehead0202
12-02-2010, 10:08 PM
lots of variables come into play here. is it original? sportered? what caliber? what country? blah blah blah. take lots of pictures and you'll get a good response. these things can go from mild to wild real quick. can't wait to see it!

Whiterabbit
12-02-2010, 10:21 PM
if it'sa second firearm, plinking can be pretty cheap. Especially if you handload or if surplus ammo is available.

From experience, having a restore piece is way more fun than having a custom piece. Like a nostalgia that you couldn't ever understand despite feeling it while shooting.

Even though it wouldn't leave the safe all that often, and nearly every time just as a second rifle to bring to the range to shoot "interim", it can sometimes be the gun you look forward to shooting more. Especially if your go-to rifle is "unpleasant" to shoot or has a different feel (like modern, for example).

So my vote? Have a gunsmith give it a once over, make sure the irons and trigger are tuned up, and just enjoy it for what it is.

for a bias reference, my main rifle is a mauser, in 7x57 no less. For what it is worth.

sharxbyte
12-02-2010, 10:35 PM
Make sure to follow all laws on interstate firearms transfers. :thumbsup:

if its a parent's wouldn't i be exempt from paperwork? its a long gun, and those are unregulated in CA. Am I missing something?

Mssr. Eleganté
12-03-2010, 6:04 AM
if its a parent's wouldn't i be exempt from paperwork? its a long gun, and those are unregulated in CA. Am I missing something?

I was assuming that the rifle has belonged to your uncle in Oregon for the last 15 years. You mentioned in another post that your father can't own firearms. If the rifle belongs to your uncle then you would need to transfer it through an FFL.

If your father can own firearms and the rifle still belongs to him and he is a California resident then he can give you the rifle with no paperwork or FFL while you guys are in California. Federal law prohibits you from returning to California with a firearm you acquired from a non-FFL while out of state.

CDFingers
12-03-2010, 6:49 AM
Shoot it for accuracy before you decide.

CDFingers

sharxbyte
12-03-2010, 7:17 AM
Then I might have to go through an FFL. my dad cant posses a gun; Does that me he cant own it, and so by having my uncle keep it my uncle is the owner? if my mom was the owner would that make it different? Or is that asking for trouble and the best route is just FFL?

gunboat
12-03-2010, 12:18 PM
Seems like an area of don't ask, don't tell -

Cowboy T
12-03-2010, 2:01 PM
Legally, you would need to go through an FFL since it's an interstate transfer. That's Federal law. Big penalties if you do otherwise and get caught.

Situations like this, BTW, are why that section of the law is ridiculous. People used to transfer firearms interstate all the time before the GCA of 1968 without "the streets running red with blood" <insert scary Alfred Hitchcock music here>.

Before you sell it, consider firing that Mauser. As has already been mentioned, they're actually not expensive to feed at all, especially for handloaders. If you find that you like it, then keep it. If not, then sell it to a good home, preferably someone who will actually use it. IMHO, a gun is meant to be used, not just sit there lookin' pretty.

sharxbyte
12-03-2010, 5:43 PM
Legally, you would need to go through an FFL since it's an interstate transfer. That's Federal law. Big penalties if you do otherwise and get caught.

Situations like this, BTW, are why that section of the law is ridiculous. People used to transfer firearms interstate all the time before the GCA of 1968 without "the streets running red with blood" <insert scary Alfred Hitchcock music here>.

Before you sell it, consider firing that Mauser. As has already been mentioned, they're actually not expensive to feed at all, especially for handloaders. If you find that you like it, then keep it. If not, then sell it to a good home, preferably someone who will actually use it. IMHO, a gun is meant to be used, not just sit there lookin' pretty.

I'll definitely try firing it first; While it may not be "expensive" to keep, compared to the .22 im saving for it is, especially since I won't have reliable income until after I graduate college(and the hand-loaders I know aren't local)... If I sell it, It will most likely be to a fellow CalGunner (if anyone's interested of course) you guys know, respect, and take care of your guns, whereas some Joe off the street, or even a random gun auction site may not. Anywho, thanks for all the help/advise. As I said before I'll post pics when I get them.

sharxbyte
12-17-2010, 10:14 PM
Just got up here; haven't seen the gun yet, but I was thinking I might as well check it out here, and possibly sell it up here just to avoid dealing with interstate transfer and whatnot. Still planning on posting pics and getting your guys opinions.

InFamous20
12-18-2010, 9:29 AM
:useless:

:43:

Anchors
12-18-2010, 5:32 PM
Also, if you have a C&R that might help you getting it from Oregon a little easier.

Bring it back down here and sell it to me! :D

BC9696
12-18-2010, 5:52 PM
Also, if you have a C&R that might help you getting it from Oregon a little easier.

Bring it back down here and sell it to me! :D


Now there's a guy who knows the Mauser action. I love my Siamese custom Mauser...it's a shooter.

sharxbyte
12-18-2010, 6:29 PM
i'll try to get pics up tommorow. I know i saw an eagle engraved on the side of the action, and it was made in berlin in 1916. the barrel appeared to be corrosion free on the inside and the outside looks old... but nothings broken (though the band with the sling-loop is loose). the action is stiff but functional. there is something carved into the side of the stock(I'll try to copy it down exactly later, as well as take pictures of it all)

derteufel
12-18-2010, 9:01 PM
That's a rusty Gew 98 with the upper portion of the stock missing. I have a 1905 Gew 98 that's a lot of fun to shoot.

blackfalcon
12-18-2010, 10:00 PM
From the photos in the second set of photos, the stock appears to be for a Gewehr 98b. The side sling cut out, hole for bolt disassembly and inlet for the turn down bolt handle were not on the original Gewehr 98. The bolt appears to be straight and rifle still has the Lange rear sight. Looks like a mixmaster, but you will have to take a look at all the parts to be sure they match, serial number wise. Even the screws were numbered to match. The stock will also have the matching serial number.

If cleaned up, should be a good shooter.

Cato
12-18-2010, 10:19 PM
Your buttstock says "Verdun." That rifle was probably at the Battle of Verdun. You might have a VERY expensive rifle in your hands.

sharxbyte
12-18-2010, 11:53 PM
here are more pictures. the bolt's serial is different from the rest of the gun ("765" is the bolt, and "363" with a lower case "n" is the action, barrel, and I think the stock) Beside the serial number, there is a bird insignia (its kinda hard to see.. the pictures I took are with my phone; later I might be able to take some high-res ones)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/Photo0538.jpg

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http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/Photo0532.jpg

sharxbyte
12-18-2010, 11:54 PM
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/Photo0531.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/Photo0530.jpg

sharxbyte
12-18-2010, 11:58 PM
so.. based on the prelim pics, does anyone have ANY idea of the value? Where might I get it appraised? Cato, if it IS from the battle of Verdun, (how might I verify this? serial number?) would that override the condition when estimating price?

CDFingers
12-19-2010, 5:32 AM
Based on the preliminary pics, I need new glasses. ;-)

On a serious note:

What a wonderful restoration project you've got there, especially with the trench art stock. I would recommend not to refinish the stock at all.

Now, on to the metal.

This is the chance for you to do a WD-40 scrub. Get some pure copper wool. This is the "Chore Boy" brand, and it can be found at many drug stores. It looks like steel wool, but it's pure copper. Some brands have copper plated steel wool, so avoid those. Get pure copper wool. Copper is softer than rifle steel, so using copper will not scratch the steel

Take the action out of the stock and organize the loose parts so they don't get lost. Disassemble the action--every part. Google Mauser m98 dis-assembly and you'll get many sites. Take apart even the bolt, which is pretty easy as long as you first cock the rifle then put the safety on the upright, safe, position. Then take the bolt out--this will prevent the bolt accidentally de cocking itself; re cocking can be tricky, so put the safety on.

You'll spray some WD on the metal and then very, very gently begin a gentle scrub with the copper wool. Gently! You want just to get the rust off and leave the blue if you can. This is totally possible. Take your time. Weeks, even. It will be totally worth it.

You'll gently clean every single metal part this way.

For the stock, you'll do what's called a mineral spirits (or turpentine) scrub. You'll get a can of mineral spirits and a green scrubby pad from the kitchen. Use no metal on the wood, just the green scrubby. You'll gently scrub the wood in the same way you did the metal. Gently.

This method will not harm the collector's value of your rifle. You can always mess with it later (please, don't), and it's your rifle. Yet, if you take this kind of care, you'll have an excellent example of a WWI bring back.

Now, if you just want a shooter, PM me and I'll get you a great shooter Mauser in exchange for you rusty relic. I'll make it worth your while.

I was only sort of kidding on the above paragraph. I have trade goods and money. ;-)

Let us know what you do.

CDFingers

sharxbyte
12-19-2010, 8:40 AM
I am a bit hesitant touching anything with wool OR mineral spirits... mainly because I don't know who I'll sell it to yet, and I used to watch antiques road show (basically, they say never clean your antiques until after they are appraised... I don't know if guns work the same way..) but thanks for the advice. Anyone else?

Milsurp Collector
12-19-2010, 8:58 AM
here are more pictures. the bolt's serial is different from the rest of the gun ("765" is the bolt, and "363" with a lower case "n" is the action, barrel, and I think the stock)

From the photos in the second set of photos, the stock appears to be for a Gewehr Kar98b. The side sling cut out, hole for bolt disassembly and inlet for the turn down bolt handle were not on the original Gewehr 98. The bolt appears to be straight and rifle still has the Lange rear sight. Looks like a mixmaster,

blackfalcon is basically correct. It is a mixmaster with a barreled receiver, bolt, and stock from three different rifles. The stock would have been valuable if it wasn't defaced.

so.. based on the prelim pics, does anyone have ANY idea of the value? Where might I get it appraised? Cato, if it IS from the battle of Verdun, (how might I verify this? serial number?) would that override the condition when estimating price?

The Kar98b wasn't created until after World War I, so there is no way that stock was carved by someone around the time of the battle of Verdun. Who knows who carved it and when, so it adds nothing to the value and actually detracts from it. There is also the condition to consider. Besides the corrosion the handguard is missing. Is it interesting? Yes. Is it a valuable correct, matching bringback in good condition? No. Its value is mostly for its parts. Sorry to be a party pooper. :(

Bestguns
12-19-2010, 10:00 AM
Here's my $0.02:

Bottom-line, you've got a GEW 98 in rough, neglected, shape, in a broken 98b stock with a mis-matched bolt. These are not the most sought-after German Mausers, even in fine condition. And, judging by the exterior finish, you'll be lucky if the bore is any good. I wouldn't give any more than $70 for it, and then only because you'd be giving your dad the money. I'd rather pay $60, because the bolt itself is worth that much if all the parts match. IMHO it's a parts gun. :(

mosinnagantm9130
12-19-2010, 12:59 PM
I vote electrolysis tank. It could clean up rather nicely.

knucklehead0202
12-20-2010, 9:16 PM
nice that people are crapping on this poor mauser while thousands are buying hammered, mismatched russian-capture 98ks that aren't nearly as accurate as the GEW98 long rifles. i'd say get the gun, get a decent stock for it and shoot it. the long mausers are all sweet shooters as long as the bore is even halfway decent looking. don't sweat the value, just get it and shoot it. i don't look at my old rifles as investments because i never intend to sell them no matter what they're worth. i've run into dire financial straights but have never sold my guns to contend with them, there's always a way.

sharxbyte
12-21-2010, 7:18 AM
I'm sure it would make a good shooter.. Problem is that its kinda large to store at my house, and as i said before, I'm more interested in a 10/22 because the ammo is cheaper.

emcon5
12-21-2010, 8:07 AM
I'm more interested in a 10/22 because the ammo is cheaper.Surplus 8mm ammo ain't all that expensive, about 25˘ per round. Not 22LR cheap, but not that bad.

Milsurp Collector
12-21-2010, 8:50 AM
nice that people are crapping on this poor mauser while thousands are buying hammered, mismatched russian-capture 98ks that aren't nearly as accurate as the GEW98 long rifles.

The shortest range that a K98k rear sight can be set to is 100 meters. The shortest range that a Gew.98 rear sight can be set to is 400 meters. A K98k is easier to handle and makes a more practical shooter at the ranges people are more likely to encounter. :)

mosinnagantm9130
12-21-2010, 12:10 PM
nice that people are crapping on this poor mauser while thousands are buying hammered, mismatched russian-capture 98ks that aren't nearly as accurate as the GEW98 long rifles.

Bad generalizations are fun!;)

The shortest range that a K98k rear sight can be set to is 100 meters. The shortest range that a Gew.98 rear sight can be set to is 400 meters. A K98k is easier to handle and makes a more practical shooter at the ranges people are more likely to encounter. :)

This^^

And as far as milsurp shooters go, matching numbers doesn't mean jack crap. Every refurb mosin, and rc K98 is a "force match" (so basically not matching anyway), yet there are plenty that can outshoot an all matching G98. Matching numbers =/= accuracy.

ZX-10R
12-21-2010, 1:37 PM
Restore it, shoot it, and know that your dad thought of you.

CEDaytonaRydr
12-21-2010, 2:37 PM
so.. based on the prelim pics, does anyone have ANY idea of the value? Where might I get it appraised? Cato, if it IS from the battle of Verdun, (how might I verify this? serial number?) would that override the condition when estimating price?

Put your camera to the "Macro" setting. It's the icon with the flower on it, on most major-brand cameras...

It allows your camera to focus at much closer ranges...

sharxbyte
12-21-2010, 7:40 PM
i'll take some real pictures with a camera maybe tomorow... i used my phone xD

SVT_Fox
12-22-2010, 9:45 AM
You can't get a sharp pic when its 2 inches away from lense. Back it up please

sharxbyte
12-23-2010, 9:00 AM
i'll go grab my brothers DSLR and get some REAL pictures for you guys.

paul0660
12-23-2010, 9:07 AM
nice that people are crapping ...........

knucklehead, he asked for estimates of value, and is getting them. Do you have one?

sharxbyte
12-23-2010, 1:36 PM
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/PICT0035.jpg
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sharxbyte
12-23-2010, 2:26 PM
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sharxbyte
12-23-2010, 2:28 PM
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sharxbyte
12-23-2010, 2:32 PM
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sharxbyte
12-23-2010, 2:33 PM
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb197/mugglle/gunz/PICT0079.jpg

there you go. I took pictures of all the insignias and pictures I found without completely dis-assembling the gun

mosinnagantm9130
12-23-2010, 3:07 PM
I still vote clean it up, and shoot it. It may be a put together rifle, but I like it.

Bestguns
12-26-2010, 3:50 PM
Thanks for the macro photos, Sharx. I'm revising my estimate based on seeing them: The metal looks decent and will clean up well. The bolt appears all-matching (thus worth even more). The receiver, barrel, bottom metal, and bands (and probably the rear sight) match. The mis-matching stock isn't broken but instead has a diagonal duffle-cut. The stock is the worst shame: It's nicely marked but the carved "Verdun", the duffle cut, and being mis-matched to the rifle ruins it's value for an owner. IMHO the rifle is worth $125 as a winter project. Clean the rifle appropriately, hope for a good shootable bore, have the headspace and mechanical condition checked, sell the stock, put the parts into another stock and take it to the range. BTW, I'm with you, 29" barreled rifles are too long! ;)

CEDaytonaRydr
12-27-2010, 8:54 AM
BTW, I'm with you, 29" barreled rifles are too long! ;)

...unless you get into a bayonet duel with someone. Then, you'll be glad you have the extra 7-9 inches. :cool:

Milsurp Collector
01-03-2011, 12:19 PM
I bought this rifle as a restoration project.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/28d33de4.jpg

The stock had been carved on and crudely cut around the lower band area, with several millimeters of wood missing from the cut. The inside of the stock looks like it was inlet with a pocket knife and it just wasn't salvageable. It isn't correct for this rifle anyway. Also, the handguard is missing.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/e5c7196a.jpg

Non-sporterized Gew98 stocks are hard to find. Fortunately, I already had a spare Brazilian M1908 stock that is similar to a Gewehr 98 stock that could be adapted with some inletting, and a spare walnut K98k handguard.

The metal had various degrees of corrosion, but it is matching except for the bolt and follower.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/1fac40fe.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/baaef818-1.jpg

The bolt had some corrosion and didn't match the rifle, but it matched itself except for the firing pin:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03314.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03296.jpg

Milsurp Collector
01-03-2011, 12:20 PM
Many areas of the metal had gold inletting paste:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03298.jpg

The barrel shows the corroded finish that was exposed compared to the undamaged bluing that was protected by the stock:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03308.jpg

When the barreled receiver was removed from the stock the in-the-white polished bare metal finish of the receiver could be seen:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03303.jpg

I disassembled the rifle and began the clean-up. For the bare metal areas I used Evapo-Rust (http://www.evaporust.com/). Evapo-rust does a great job of removing rust, but it will also remove bluing. You are supposed to immerse the rusty parts in it, which worked fine for the bolt. I guess I could have immersed the receiver in a glass full of Evapo-Rust with the barrel sticking out, but I was concerned about getting some on the barrel. So I made a poultice by soaking strips of paper towels in Evapo-Rust and wrapping them over the receiver and trigger.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/12c2b3f8.jpg

Parts where I was trying to preserve whatever original bluing was left I soaked in good old Kroil (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=137203). I used Kroil and bronze wool (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=7391/Product/BRONZE_WOOL) to scrub the rust off of blued areas. For the in-the-white bare-metal parts I used steel wool.

More to come...

mls343
01-03-2011, 3:54 PM
This is going to be a very fun post!

Milsurp Collector
01-04-2011, 10:33 AM
I removed the inletting gold with lacquer thinner and then used Evapo-Rust on the bare metal and Kroil on the blued metal. The barreled receiver and bolt cleaned up nicely. The bands and magazine floorplate had almost no remaining bluing. Polished the bare metal with Flitz (http://www.flitz.com/).

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/c88ccc73.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03359.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03361.jpg

More to come...

emcon5
01-04-2011, 11:07 AM
Outstanding.

Milsurp Collector
01-05-2011, 9:15 AM
While cleaning up the metal I started to fit the Brazilian-contract M1908 stock. The Brazilian M1908 (http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=265-Brazilian-Model-1908-Mauser-Rifle-%28Mfg-by-DWM%29) was an export version of the Gewehr 98, made primarily by the same company that made this Gew98, Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken (DWM). The M1908 had a tangent rear sight instead of the bulkier Lange Visier rear sight, had a longer handguard that clipped to the barrel, and was chambered in 7x57mm, but it was otherwise the same as the Gewehr 98 produced at the same factory.

When the action was placed in the stock the action would not settle in and there was clearly interference around the Lange Visier sight.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03318.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03317.jpg

To inlet the stock I used inletting black (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=7599/Product/INLETTING_BLACK___GOLD), a wood chisel (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=19728), and barrel channel scraper (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=6521/Product/SCRAPERS).

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03321.jpg

The stock is held in a vise and a thin layer of inletting black is smeared on the bottom of the barreled action. The action is placed in the stock and then removed. The inletting black will show the highest points of contact.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03345.jpg

The black areas are removed with the chisel and the process is repeated until the action settles in.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03342.jpg

The chiseled areas are smoothed with the scraper and sandpaper. More to come...

Milsurp Collector
01-05-2011, 4:06 PM
So this is the before:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/28d33de4.jpg

and this is the after:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/32310e3f.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/after3.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/after4.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/DSC03358.jpg

The bore cleaned up nicely and the headspace is OK. Group portrait:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/6dd08584.jpg

Bestguns
01-05-2011, 6:41 PM
...IMHO the rifle is... a winter project. Clean the rifle appropriately, hope for a good shootable bore, have the headspace and mechanical condition checked, sell the stock, put the parts into another stock and take it to the range.

Oh yeah. That's what I call cleaning "appropriately". Nice job Milsurp! Shooting results are next.

Noonanda
01-05-2011, 6:45 PM
beautiful restoration

Milsurp Collector
01-05-2011, 6:47 PM
Thanks! Almost forgot to thank sharxbyte and his uncle for allowing me to buy this rifle from them so I could have the opportunity fix it up, thanks guys! :)

Shooting will have to wait until the weather improves here in Oregon. I am in the middle of the cold, gray, wet season right now. :(

89 Vision
01-05-2011, 6:48 PM
Nice job dude! That must have been a whole lot of fun.

Trench Broom
01-06-2011, 2:09 AM
That turned out fantastic! You did a great job on bringing that warhorse back to its former glory - the Kaiser would be proud. :D

CDFingers
01-06-2011, 3:57 AM
Stellar.

Must shoot.

CDFingers

Milsurp Collector
01-06-2011, 2:26 PM
Thanks guys.

I have been thinking about the stock that came with this rifle and the "Verdun" carving.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/28d33de4.jpg

We thought it was a Kar98b stock because of its length and the fact that it had the karabiner sling slot in the butt.

http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/gew98/gew98/kar98b900.jpg

Since the Kar98b was created after World War I that suggested that the Verdun carving was made after World War I.

But when I had the stock in hand I noticed this sleeved hole in the stock near the lower band

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Gewehr%2098/e5c7196a.jpg

It was kind of puzzling because neither the Gew98 nor Kar98b had such a hole. I thought maybe a previous owner did it, and as I was busy cleaning up the rifle and fitting the replacement stock I didn't think any more about the mysterious hole.

But now that I look at it I realize that the Kar98a had a hole in that spot, for the screw that holds the lower band. Not all Kar98a stocks had grasping grooves, this one doesn't.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Kar98a/DSC03146a.jpg

I didn't even consider that it might be a Kar98a because of the length of the stock with the forward piece, and because the Kar98a has a small ring receiver and a Gew98 large ring action won't fit in it. But my mistake was assuming that the two stock pieces were from the same stock.

Now I think the rear end of the stock is from a Kar98a, and the separate front piece of the stock is from a Gew98 or similar stock. Someone (crudely) inlet the Kar98a stock to accept the Gew98 action. Since the Kar98a was made during World War I it is possible the Verdun carving was made during World War I. But we'll never know for sure, and the cut up stock is still damaged beyond use or repair.

mosinnagantm9130
01-06-2011, 3:40 PM
Excellent work!!!

doughboy334
01-06-2011, 7:08 PM
out****ingstanding!

mls343
01-10-2011, 4:02 PM
That's nice, Milsurpcollector!

Anchors
01-10-2011, 4:54 PM
A+ restoration.
I don't know how anyone could have done it better than that.