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SemiAutoSam
07-03-2006, 1:00 AM
Here are 2 C & R lists that may be of interest to some.




http://www.dnmsport.com/EXTRAS/Firearms%20Classified%20As%20Curios%20Or%20Relics. htm

http://www.gunownersnj.org/curio.pdf

Hunter
07-03-2006, 7:57 PM
Here are 2 C & R lists that may be of interest to some.
http://www.dnmsport.com/EXTRAS/Firearms%20Classified%20As%20Curios%20Or%20Relics. htm

http://www.gunownersnj.org/curio.pdf


And since we are in CA, here is a nice report from a CA Attorney (specializing in CA firearm laws) that spells out what CA defines as C&R and what differs from the Feds. If you have a C&R or looking to get one, this is good to know.
http://www.empirearms.com/cal-ffl.htm

jmlivingston
07-03-2006, 8:48 PM
Here are 2 C & R lists that may be of interest to some.




http://www.dnmsport.com/EXTRAS/Firearms%20Classified%20As%20Curios%20Or%20Relics. htm

http://www.gunownersnj.org/curio.pdf


The 2nd of those lists is out of date by 8 years (it's dated 1998). When the ATF keeps the list of C&R's updated on their website at http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm I don't know why anyone would go elsewhere looking for the list. The ATF list is most certainly the best list for any of us FFL03's to be working off of.

John

EOD Guy
07-04-2006, 6:26 AM
And since we are in CA, here is a nice report from a CA Attorney (specializing in CA firearm laws) that spells out what CA defines as C&R and what differs from the Feds. If you have a C&R or looking to get one, this is good to know.
http://www.empirearms.com/cal-ffl.htm


There is no difference in what California defines as a C&R and what the Feds do. California uses the Federal definition and references both the US Code and 27CFR.

The difference is that California allows C&R firearms over 50 years old to be transferred without going through a California dealer. They still recognize other C&Rs and allow dealer transfers without a waiting period in some cases.

Hunter
07-05-2006, 9:27 AM
There is no difference in what California defines as a C&R and what the Feds do. California uses the Federal definition and references both the US Code and 27CFR.

The difference is that California allows C&R firearms over 50 years old to be transferred without going through a California dealer. They still recognize other C&Rs and allow dealer transfers without a waiting period in some cases.

The whole point of a C&R FFL is to be able to transfer C&R defined guns. While first you say there is no difference, but then you go onto say it is only for guns over 50 years old in CA. That is my point. The feds define a whole list of collectable guns that are less than 50 yrs old, which a dealer with a C&R can transfer, EXCEPT if they are in CA. In CA, those firearms must go thru a standard FFL dealer, so the whole point of having a C&R in that situation is mute. So yes, there is a difference between CA based C&R FFL holder and a Federal C&R holder when the transaction takes place in CA. And this only applies to long guns, as all handguns must still go thru a standard FFL dealer in CA, regardless of being over 50 years old. So another difference between a holder of a C&R FFL doing business outside of CA vs one doing business in CA with one.

So the short answer, in CA, a C&R FFL holder can only transfer long guns over 50 years old. Period. If the C&R holder is located outside CA, then they can transfer any C&R firearm on the Federal C&R list.

jmlivingston
07-05-2006, 9:50 AM
[QUOTE=Hunter]The whole point of a C&R FFL is to be able to transfer C&R defined guns. While first you say there is no difference, but then you go onto say it is only for guns over 50 years old in CA. That is my point. The feds define a whole list of collectable guns that are less than 50 yrs old, which a dealer with a C&R can transfer, EXCEPT if they are in CA. In CA, those firearms must go thru a standard FFL dealer, so the whole point of having a C&R in that situation is mute. So yes, there is a difference between CA based C&R FFL holder and a Federal C&R holder when the transaction takes place in CA. And this only applies to long guns, as all handguns must still go thru a standard FFL dealer in CA, regardless of being over 50 years old. So another difference between a holder of a C&R FFL doing business outside of CA vs one doing business in CA with one.

So the short answer, in CA, a C&R FFL holder can only transfer long guns over 50 years old. Period. If the C&R holder is located outside CA, then they can transfer any C&R firearm on the Federal C&R list.
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EOD Guy is correct, there's no difference in Fed vs CA C&R because CA doesn't have it's own C&R. They simply allow exclusions to more strict state laws for particular classes of firearms; esp. person-to-person transfer of long-guns over 50 years old, waiver for federally defined handguns from the safe-gun testing requirement, and waiver of the 10-day wait and 1 per month requirements for C&R handguns purchases by a C&R holder who also has a COE. There is no such thing as a CA C&R unless you're referring to someone residing in CA who happens to have a Federally issued license. Semantics, yes, but very important still. You are correct though on what the end-result is to a C&R holder residing in CA.

Another note, a dealer with a C&R can't deal in C&R's using that license. The C&R is for indivuals, and the requirements of a C&R license holder expressly excludes dealing in C&R-type firearms. A dealer only needs his 01FFL.

John

EOD Guy
07-05-2006, 7:14 PM
EOD Guy is correct, there's no difference in Fed vs CA C&R because CA doesn't have it's own C&R. They simply allow exclusions to more strict state laws for particular classes of firearms; esp. person-to-person transfer of long-guns over 50 years old, waiver for federally defined handguns from the safe-gun testing requirement, and waiver of the 10-day wait and 1 per month requirements for C&R handguns purchases by a C&R holder who also has a COE. There is no such thing as a CA C&R unless you're referring to someone residing in CA who happens to have a Federally issued license. Semantics, yes, but very important still. You are correct though on what the end-result is to a C&R holder residing in CA.
John

The exemption covers all handguns, not just C&R.