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richie3888
11-23-2010, 12:10 PM
i was wondering, which would be better to learn how to shoot my first ar. A wilson combat iron rear site or a cheap Ncstar scope?

And can someone tell me how to look down the sites properly.

heres are some pictures of when i completed the build

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/richard3888/513b8e51.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/richard3888/98982c32.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/richard3888/050b2460.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/richard3888/c0c85cc4.jpg

JOEKILLA
11-23-2010, 12:28 PM
Iron sights.

https://www.stuckonpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/AR-sight-picture-2.png

tai
11-23-2010, 12:33 PM
Iron Sites

JOEKILLA
11-23-2010, 12:33 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/M16_rifle_correct_sight_picture_fig_4-18.png

luckygunner
11-23-2010, 12:36 PM
Iron Sights

You want the target to be fuzzy and the front sight post to be clear. I would suggest getting snap caps or dry firing your weapon. Trigger control and proper sight picture group can be had without shooting any rounds. There is a reason why Marines spend a ton of time dry firing.

The added bonus is that dry firing is free or cheap if you pick up snap caps. You can also make your own.

Turo
11-23-2010, 12:39 PM
Anybody with a rifle should learn to use iron sights before he uses scoped weapons. It's a great skill to have and once you master the irons, using a scope is a piece of cake.

deadcoyote
11-23-2010, 12:41 PM
I would personally say learn with Irons, especially if you're new to shooting and unfamiliar with peep sights. I actually almost died of laughter when I had to do a "broken optic" drill at a range session. Pretty much all of the agencies present issued Aimpoints or Eotechs. Everyone had to remove the optics and use Irons. It was hilarious to see how many people couldnt shoot at all using the sights.

On a side note, although I've never been a big red-dot fan, using the Eotechs made a believer out of me. Those things are freaking awesome. Now if I could only afford one....

phamkl
11-23-2010, 12:41 PM
Especially between those two choices, shoot irons first. You don't want to be "starting out" with a cheap sight or optic. You won't be able to get better with a sight that doesn't necessarily shoot straight.

The only time, imo, that a cheap optic should be used is when you're shooting low power airguns or when you know what to expect with a bad scope (basically, when you're good enough to be certain that a missed shot is due to equipment and not the shooter.)

Infidel
11-23-2010, 1:34 PM
You can't go wrong starting with Irons...It will only help you learn your gun from the ground up ;)

joelogic
11-23-2010, 2:00 PM
Irons to reinforce a good check weld.

CSACANNONEER
11-23-2010, 2:03 PM
Good irons or a POS glass? Just learn to shoot well with irons. Give that NC Star POS to an airsofter. If you want to learn to shoot with optics, get a better piece of glass and wait until you can shoot proficiently with irons first.

patriot_man
11-23-2010, 2:08 PM
Iron. Basic fundamentals of marksmanship should be learned with irons.

dieselpower
11-23-2010, 2:30 PM
http://grburnett.us/guns/ImprovedBattlesightZero.pdf

open, save to HD, READ IT, READ IT AGAIN, pick up your rifle and READ IT AGAIN, print it, go to the range, follow instuctions...have fun.

sorry didnt realize the link to the -10 wasnt working.

http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM9-1005-319-10.pdf

open it, save it, read it, read it again...blah blah blah

Don29palms
11-23-2010, 2:35 PM
Irons first and scope later. NcStar is a BTN scope and barely that. It's doubtful that scope would sight in properly mounted like it is in the picture anyway.

dousan
11-23-2010, 2:42 PM
I have both and I honestly have more fun with iron sights because it's more challenging!
The acog is sweet and all but good grouping with irons is tougher

mikaarce
11-23-2010, 3:02 PM
Start with the basics first. Irons!

Black Majik
11-23-2010, 3:10 PM
I would agree with others, start with iron sights first. Not only that, I would pick up a carry handle and learn to shoot with that over BUIS.

vintagearms
11-23-2010, 3:25 PM
Start with the basics first. Irons!

Yup.

gemini1
11-23-2010, 3:41 PM
As the others have said, IRONS! Though in my case, I use both. I like to take out my scope from the rifle after coming from the range, it gives me a reason to use it when I go back and check the zero at 25/50/100 yards. I use 1/4th of the ammo I bring for scope and the rest for irons.

I see you have a Wilson Combat sight. Its hard to keep your groupings on that type of sight, especially at 50-100 yards.The peep hole of WC is bigger than the small peep sight of an A2, you may want to mod that to match the A2 small peep hole. If you are a DIY type of guy, you can do as I did. Use a melted lead, get a bit the size of the A2 peep, I think its 5/64 and drill in the middle. Its easy.
Use your sight as is, keep notes of how your groupings are, then try the mod I mentioned and see the difference.

Here's my mod'ed wilson c, I can also do the RIBZ, after I made that hole smaller.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd139/potpotpics/Fleetweek%202010/AR%20upgrades/000_0325.jpg

sevensix2x51
11-23-2010, 3:47 PM
+1 irons. 95% of my shooting since i was out of diapers has been on irons, and i wouldnt change that for the world. i prefer irons to a scope, except for precision rimfire shooting. and squirrel hunting. (id halfway argue those two are basically the same thing.) run irons on that rifle til you dont even have to think about them when you shoot, then pick up a .22 and accurize that to become proficient with optics. super fun, tight groups, and cheaper than mcdonalds to shoot for an afternoon!

or just put a reflex sight on it, like everybody else seems to do. kids today, i tell ya... :D