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Kenshin
06-29-2006, 4:43 PM
Follow up on my previous thread.

If you had to pick one out of the Standard, Scout, or SOCOM models, which one would you pick and why?

Mentioning other rifle models is FORBIDDEN!

saki302
06-29-2006, 4:58 PM
The Socom is handy but darn loud. The scout is relatively handy while getting a slight velocity boost and not being quite as dang loud!

-Dave

-hanko
06-29-2006, 4:59 PM
Follow up on my previous thread.

If you had to pick one out of the Standard, Scout, or SOCOM models, which one would you pick and why?

Mentioning other rifle models is FORBIDDEN!
Maximum range you'd desire might suggest the correct barrel length if you're using iron sights, with glass, pick which one you'll shoot best. Shorter barrel with have more flash signature at night and more recoil...takes longer to get back on poa for follow up shots. Were it I, and sticking with the same weapon, I'd consider something with more mil-spec parts for true shtf use.

A recommendation, not a mention, might be to consider the FAL;)

-hanko

bu-bye
06-29-2006, 5:30 PM
Full length for me. The 308 is a reach out and touch someone round. I would not be taking shots with a 308 under 300 yards. 5.56 does a nice job out to 300 yards so I would use that down to 15 yards then move to a 45ACP pistol. If the S realy does HTF and we are chest deep in WW3 you want a weapon for every situation. For me the ideal weapons are M1A, AR-15, and something in 45ACP. That covers the long, mid and short range fights and it will not be hard to find ammo.

Evil Gun
06-29-2006, 5:34 PM
A recommendation, not a mention, might be to consider the FAL;)

-hanko
I agree. A battle-proven weapon.

CalNRA
06-29-2006, 5:48 PM
standard for me. A standard size M1a and a Short barrel shotgun would make a dang good combo...

50 Freak
06-29-2006, 6:05 PM
Ditto on the FAL.

I'd pick up my 16.25" Para over my M-14 anytime for a SHTF situation.

I practice with my FAL more than the M-14 by far and am more comfortable with that than the M-14.

But if it had to be a M-14, pick the 18 inch scout. It's the best of all worlds, reliable, handy and accurate.

SemiAutoSam
06-29-2006, 6:14 PM
OK I wont mention the FN FAL PARA of the HK 91 or the GALIL 308 ARM

If I was going to buy a M1A and money was not an option I would buy 2 of each length.

Or consider this how hard is the barrel to change and or what other hardware must one have to change over a barrel length ?

maybe there is a quick change barrel option ?

AxonGap
06-29-2006, 6:41 PM
Scout and a shotgun...2 bits!

knifebright
06-29-2006, 6:56 PM
I have a scout so that is coming with me. 0ne of my friends has a socom 16 and the other a regular size m1a. I've had the oportunity to shoot all three in the same day. I only shot about 40 rounds out of the 16 and the standard so take my comparison with a grain of salt.

socom 16. short sight radius and large front post but muzzle break was very good and follow up shots are the easiest for me

my scout. over all great. lots of blast from break as well. Follow up shots are a bit timelier but not too long. i'm much better at my basketball groups out to 200 yards but i'm practicing

regular. more of a precision instrument. much better groups and less blast but longer and more time for me to aim.

nononono hits the fan i'm taking my scout. I like to keep my firearms in calibers that are readily available. I have one each in 9mm, 45acp, 5.56, 7.62 so if the nononono really really hits the fan i'm taking which ever one i can trade for to get ammo!
jimmy

EricCartmanR1
06-29-2006, 7:44 PM
if we are talking CA legal, then I would have to say a standard Remington 870 Police Magnum and a 21" M1A. The Extra reach on the 21" M1A is always good and for CQB, the 12 gauge has variety of ammo from buckshot, birdshot, slugs, and even launch percussion and and flash blasters from it. In hostage situation you also can launch bean bags from the 12 gauge, just in case you hit the wrong target you won't fatally wound anyone.

jerryg1776
06-29-2006, 9:51 PM
I already own a Scout and its not staying home when I have to leave if the SHTF.

mltrading
06-30-2006, 1:49 PM
Standard BBL offers maximum effective range. Kill the zombies before their approaching.:D

And remember to replace the ugly Kali Muzzle Brake with FH with bayo lug when SHTF happens. It will allow you to use bayo if it is needed.

Dump1567
06-30-2006, 2:01 PM
Scout. I put a Smith brake on mine and now it's not much longer than the SOCOM. Advantages are standard gas system parts and 2" of barrel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Dump1567/BHDScout.jpg

Diabolus
06-30-2006, 2:12 PM
I would bring my Benelli M4, AR15, and M1A Supermatch.

GTKrockeTT
06-30-2006, 2:27 PM
if we are talking CA legal, then I would have to say a standard Remington 870 Police Magnum and a 21" M1A. The Extra reach on the 21" M1A is always good and for CQB, the 12 gauge has variety of ammo from buckshot, birdshot, slugs, and even launch percussion and and flash blasters from it. In hostage situation you also can launch bean bags from the 12 gauge, just in case you hit the wrong target you won't fatally wound anyone.

i expected you say...screw the M1A, i'm bringing the FAL! such blasphemy!:D

50 Freak
06-30-2006, 2:30 PM
For a zombie fighting gun, I'd bring my 10/22 with a ton of 50 rounders and thousands of rounds.

And a Glock for "close encounters".

Depends on which types of zombies also. If we're talking the George Romero slow moving zombies. The setup above is fine. If we are talking the newer fast moving zombies, I'd rather bring an Abrams or better yet a couple of gunships heavily armed with 308 mini guns.

SI-guru
06-30-2006, 3:38 PM
I never know what SHTF really means but I really like M1A so I got two. :D

http://www.hunt101.com/img/308342-big.JPG

http://www.hunt101.com/img/418244-big.JPG

Kenshin
06-30-2006, 5:47 PM
For that matter, how come I see so many Standards and SOCOMs on gunbroker but hardly any Scouts?

Black Majik
06-30-2006, 6:03 PM
Standard for me. :)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/M1AColt5-23-06pic2.jpg

ghideon
06-30-2006, 7:27 PM
For that matter, how come I see so many Standards and SOCOMs on gunbroker but hardly any Scouts?

It was a pain to find my Scout, went out of state. Not many dealers had em in stock. The tag on my Scout says it was put together FEB of this year.

cnyankee
06-30-2006, 8:20 PM
i love my standard and am looking at a socom16
also would bring my xd45acp when not if the shtf

SI-guru
06-30-2006, 9:14 PM
I believe SA stop making scout now. Anyone you can get will be used or NOS.

Brass Balls
06-30-2006, 9:15 PM
Scout Squad first, then a full size. I like the full size match versions a lot the scout is just a little handier to tote around.

http://home.comcast.net/~1911brass/M1A_Scout_Squad.jpg

Diabolus
06-30-2006, 9:26 PM
[QUOTE=3par]I never know what SHTF really means but I really like M1A so I got two. :D

http://www.hunt101.com/img/308342-big.JPG

Nice setup!

That looks like the M3A stock, if it is, where did you get it bedded and how much was the total cost?

How often do you take it out of the bedding to clean it?

Does your scope hold zero with that setup? What kind of mount?

Thx

xenophobe
06-30-2006, 9:39 PM
I would take my full size. I don't like the scout, and the SOCOM is a nice rifle, but may get finicky if the gas system gets dirty...

SI-guru
06-30-2006, 10:44 PM
That looks like the M3A stock, if it is, where did you get it bedded and how much was the total cost?

How often do you take it out of the bedding to clean it?

Does your scope hold zero with that setup? What kind of mount?

Thx

It is not M3A, it is based on a USGI synthetic stock with no bedding. It is a semi-match built by Ron Smith before the Crazyhorse craz.
Scope mount is a Smith also and it holds zero fine.

EricCartmanR1
07-01-2006, 7:56 AM
[QUOTE=3par]I never know what SHTF really means but I really like M1A so I got two. :D

http://www.hunt101.com/img/308342-big.JPG

Nice setup!

That looks like the M3A stock, if it is, where did you get it bedded and how much was the total cost?

How often do you take it out of the bedding to clean it?

Does your scope hold zero with that setup? What kind of mount?

Thx

bee-ute-tee-full

mltrading
07-01-2006, 8:51 AM
I am a hardcore old-fashioned infantry. I will take full size.:D

Kenshin
07-01-2006, 1:36 PM
I believe SA stop making scout now. Anyone you can get will be used or NOS.


Huh! When did they stop making them?

SI-guru
07-01-2006, 7:49 PM
Huh! When did they stop making them?

Since when SA Scout disappear in their M1A page in their website.

Brass Balls
07-01-2006, 9:18 PM
Since when SA Scout disappear in their M1A page in their website.

It's still there.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-scout.shtml

SI-guru
07-02-2006, 12:27 AM
It's still there.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-scout.shtml

Owned :o My bad, my love of SOCOM makes this mental block. :D

DrjonesUSA
07-03-2006, 1:06 PM
Which M1A for SHTF?


Definitely NOT the SOCOM.

First, the 16" barrel is WAY too short for the .308 and effectively turns it into a short-range weapon when the .308 is very capable of hits & kills out to 1000 yards.

The 16" barrel neuters the .308.

Next, it has a non-standard gas system which further cements my opposition to it as a SHTF rifle.

I personally chose the Scout (18") as I feel it is the best compromise of bbl length while still maintaining all other standard parts, though I do plan on getting a standard length M1A (or three :D ) and would not hesitate to grab those.

Your only options are the 18 or 22" for a .308 rifle.

Really, unless you are doing house-to-house clearing, there's no point in an uber-short weapon.