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bigcasino
11-22-2010, 1:04 AM
I would like to buy a cheap C&R to put a scope on what do you all think would be the best way to go? I was looking at getting a mosin 91/30 because they are so cheap and easy to come by but then you have to get a bent bolt and mount the scope somehow (most peaople do a scout mount and I dont know if that is the most accurate) so is there a better way to go?

SJ Mosin
11-22-2010, 1:17 AM
91/30s are great shooters but if you wanna scope it why not go for something more accurate like a Swiss K-31? You can get a Nice K-31 for $220 and a scope mount for about $60 that clamps on so you don't have to drill into the receiver.

Timbob55
11-22-2010, 7:43 AM
91/30s are great shooters but if you wanna scope it why not go for something more accurate like a Swiss K-31? You can get a Nice K-31 for $220 and a scope mount for about $60 that clamps on so you don't have to drill into the receiver.

+1 - K31's are usually very accurate rifles.

eighteenninetytwo
11-22-2010, 9:12 AM
I would second that. If you're scoping, you're after accuracy, bear in mind that most milsurps are battle rifles first and foremost and shoot minute of man, not MOA. Whichever way you go, get a mount that doesn';t need you to butcher the rifle.

TNP'R
11-22-2010, 9:29 AM
if your going to do it on a mosin then heres a scope mount for you.
http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-Scope-Mount/2598296/product.html just take off the rear sight.

gunn
11-22-2010, 9:59 AM
There are two non-permanent K31 sight mounts.
* Swiss Products or Accumounts: is a clamp-on affair that offsets the scope slightly. Fine for RH shooters but kinda unweildy for lefties
* SK Products Rear sight mount: Keeps the scope centered. Works great. Downside is that you will want a intermediate Eye relief scope because the distanced between your eye and the rear lens will be longer. Some folks go for a cheappie pistol scope. I went for Leupold's fixed 2.5x28mm (clear but not adjustable + smaller objective).

With a refinished boyd's stock (<$75 on sale), this is my go-to hunting rifle until I get serious enough to want a dedicated hunting rifle.
-g

http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/sights/index.html (old site but oyu see all 3 designs. THe SK products design is similar to the last "homemade" sight but w/ integrated 1" rings).
-g

Howie44
11-22-2010, 10:00 AM
That mount won't hold zero under 54r recoil. Eventually you will get sick of wasting your money on it and you'll get a Darrell's scout mount (parallax bill's curio and relic firearms forum)

Cowboy T
11-22-2010, 10:20 AM
Don't bother with a "scout" mount. There are several mounts out there that mount on the traditional part of the 91/30's receiver. I have one, and yes, it does hold up to the 7.62x54R's recoil. It ain't cheap, but it works well. It's also a peek-thru type that lets me use the iron sights, which I consider a definite plus. So, yes, the 91/30 is quite viable for scoping.

Of course, there are also the scope mounts that require drilling and tapping. Any competent gunsmith can do this in no time. It's easy.

Also, I've seen Turkish Mausers (8x57) in pretty good shape for $120, so that's another option.

nemisis1400
11-22-2010, 10:28 AM
K31 is one of the most accurate C&Rs out there and the scope mount they have for it won't make any new holes in it!

Palimino Stripe
11-22-2010, 10:44 AM
Don't forget that there are hundreds of rifles out there that already have a scope on them that you could buy instead of ruining another milsurp...

-Palimino

Quinc
11-22-2010, 11:13 AM
Don't bother with a "scout" mount. There are several mounts out there that mount on the traditional part of the 91/30's receiver. I have one, and yes, it does hold up to the 7.62x54R's recoil. It ain't cheap, but it works well. It's also a peek-thru type that lets me use the iron sights, which I consider a definite plus. So, yes, the 91/30 is quite viable for scoping.

Of course, there are also the scope mounts that require drilling and tapping. Any competent gunsmith can do this in no time. It's easy.

Also, I've seen Turkish Mausers (8x57) in pretty good shape for $120, so that's another option.

Link to mount? :D

Tanner68
11-22-2010, 11:24 AM
K31 and St. Marie clamp on mount.

Cowboy T
11-22-2010, 1:32 PM
Link to mount? :D

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jmeck-Mosin-Nagant-low-profile-scope-mount-/190471216515?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c58f81d83

If the link doesn't work, then just search on eBay for Mosin Nagant scope mount. The vendor is Jmeck. He's got two types, one solid, and the other peek-thru. Mine is the peek-thru.

TNP'R
11-22-2010, 1:35 PM
That mount won't hold zero under 54r recoil. Eventually you will get sick of wasting your money on it and you'll get a Darrell's scout mount (parallax bill's curio and relic firearms forum)

how do you know this?

Cowboy T
11-22-2010, 1:38 PM
Don't forget that there are hundreds of rifles out there that already have a scope on them that you could buy instead of ruining another milsurp...

Gotta disagree on that one. I don't see a good job of scoping a milsurp rifle as "ruining" it. I see it as an improvement if it helps the shooter to shoot the gun better. I know, "pristine, original condition" and all, but I'm about utility. And my eyes aren't quite what they used to be 20 years ago (never thought I'd be saying that!!).

Now, that said, I definitely believe in mastering the use of iron sights. I'm 100% in Appleseed's camp on that point of riflemanship. That's why I use a peek-thru scope mount that lets me use either. At closer ranges, I'll use the Mosin's iron sights, to the remaining ability of my eyes to resolve the image clearly. At distance, bring on the glass, baby!

skscj
11-22-2010, 1:52 PM
K31
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/claude68m1/Picture084.jpg?t=1290462574

Cowboy T
11-22-2010, 1:54 PM
HEY, NO FAIR USING A GORGEOUS GUN LIKE THAT TO MAKE YOUR CASE!

:D

Damn...that's a beaut, too. Original finish, or did you do that? Either way, that's a sweet looking rifle.

skscj
11-22-2010, 2:02 PM
Thanks, i refinished it..

yoitsbruce
11-22-2010, 2:29 PM
could m1a be c&r's

Interloper
11-22-2010, 3:07 PM
I would suggest a Savage model 99

Don't forget that there are hundreds of rifles out there that already have a scope on them that you could buy instead of ruining another milsurp...

-Palimino
Totally agree.

Tanner68
11-22-2010, 3:24 PM
Savage 99 is a good recommendation. Does it fall within the OPs "cheap" requirement?

Howie44
11-22-2010, 6:22 PM
how do you know this?

http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-Scope-Mount/2598296/product.html

This is a B Square type scout mount. When I was green to collecting I tried to use them on Mosins and Mausers alike. They would ALWAYS come loose under repeated heavy recoil. After much research I found out about Darells scout mounts. I have scout scoped M44's, MANY M39's, and an M38. The Darrells mount will not come loose or loose zero. Below is an attachment of my favorite shooter, a scout scoped M39. There are SEVERAL members here that have witnessed what I can do with this setup. Iv'e had this mount on this rifle for almost 10 years now, and I only have to re zero for hunting trips (different ammo). Here's a link to Darrell's page.
http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/36954/t/Scout-Mount-Ordering-Information-and-Current-Availibility.html

TNP'R
11-22-2010, 6:32 PM
http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-Scope-Mount/2598296/product.html

This is a B Square type scout mount. When I was green to collecting I tried to use them on Mosins and Mausers alike. They would ALWAYS come loose under repeated heavy recoil. After much research I found out about Darells scout mounts. I have scout scoped M44's, MANY M39's, and an M38. The Darrells mount will not come loose or loose zero. Below is an attachment of my favorite shooter, a scout scoped M39. There are SEVERAL members here that have witnessed what I can do with this setup. Iv'e had this mount on this rifle for almost 10 years now, and I only have to re zero for hunting trips (different ammo). Here's a link to Darrell's page.
http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/36954/t/Scout-Mount-Ordering-Information-and-Current-Availibility.html

the reviews say to use locktite so it wont come loose.

Howie44
11-22-2010, 6:38 PM
the reviews say to use locktite so it wont come loose.

It will still slide left or right no matter how much loc tight you use. There are no setscrews on the sides of the B Square type mount. Trust me, and check out the Darrells mount for a scout mount. I had to learn the hard way, You don't have to.