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mikehaas
06-29-2006, 12:52 PM
06/29/2006 - AB 2714 has passed the Senate Public Safety Committee, next stop is the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please contact the committee members and urge opposition to AB 2714. (AB 2714 will be heard after the Legislature's summer break; they reconvene Aug. 7th.)

This bill would provide, subject to exceptions, that no ammunition or reloaded ammunition designed and intended to be used in a handgun may be delivered pursuant to a retail transaction unless the purchaser personally presents bona fide evidence of his or her identity and age, as specified, to the seller of the ammunition. Violation of these provisions would be an offense punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months, or by a fine not to exceed $1,000, or by both imprisonment and that fine, with increased penalties for 2nd or subsequent violations. The bill would provide that it does not apply to ammunition or reloaded ammunition that is rimfire ammunition. (Note: that text is from the bill!)

Latest news and contact tools at:
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab2714

vonsmith
06-29-2006, 12:58 PM
06/29/2006 - AB 2714 has passed the Senate Public Safety Committee, next stop is the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please contact the committee members and urge opposition to AB 2714. (AB 2714 will be heard after the Legislature's summer break; they reconvene Aug. 7th.)

This bill would provide, subject to exceptions, that no ammunition or reloaded ammunition designed and intended to be used in a handgun may be delivered pursuant to a retail transaction unless the purchaser personally presents bona fide evidence of his or her identity and age, as specified, to the seller of the ammunition. Violation of these provisions would be an offense punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months, or by a fine not to exceed $1,000, or by both imprisonment and that fine, with increased penalties for 2nd or subsequent violations. The bill would provide that it does not apply to ammunition or reloaded ammunition that is rimfire ammunition. (Note: that text is from the bill!)

Latest news and contact tools at:
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab2714
may be delivered pursuant to a retail transaction unless the purchaser personally presents bona fide evidence of his or her identity and age, as specified, to the seller of the ammunition.
If this is language from the bill I could be in a world of hurt. All my deliveries go to a private post box address. The employees there sign for received packages, not the "purchaser personally". Would I have to stay home on the delivery day to receive an ammo shipment? That would s*ck bigtime.


=vonsmith=

BobFirewood
06-29-2006, 1:03 PM
Would I have to stay home on the delivery day to receive an ammo shipment? That would s*ck bigtime.
=vonsmith=

It s*cks more than that. You would have to personally present identification to the seller, not the deliverer, of the ammunition.

williamkwong
06-29-2006, 2:28 PM
It s*cks more than that. You would have to personally present identification to the seller, not the deliverer, of the ammunition.


...basically getting rid of mail order ammo here. :mad:

Bling Bling 2.0
06-29-2006, 3:33 PM
This would probably mean that the package would have to be picked up at the local sorting station. This would be a relief for some that posted concern that their rifles/ammo were delivered and just sitting on their doorsteps ready to be stolen.

However I'm not stupid and I know why this law was written. They want to ban all ammunition sales in CA and this is just act i scene 1. There is nothing more disgusting to me than gun/bullet grabbers.

m1aowner
06-29-2006, 8:58 PM
Am I reading that right, reloaded rimfire ammo? Are they that stupid, or am I?

The bill would provide that it does not apply to ammunition or reloaded ammunition that is rimfire ammunition. (Note: that text is from the bill!)

Latest news and contact tools at:
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab2714

Charliegone
06-29-2006, 9:50 PM
Am I reading that right, reloaded rimfire ammo? Are they that stupid, or am I?

.....man...:rolleyes: reloaded rimfire lol....

Apostolos
06-29-2006, 10:47 PM
It s*cks more than that. You would have to personally present identification to the seller, not the deliverer, of the ammunition.

That's not what is says. You can read the Bill text here.

http://www.legislature.ca.gov/

God Bless,
David

hoffmang
06-30-2006, 12:16 AM
Mike,

Hasn't this bill now become simply that you have to show ID to Fedex or UPS in much the same way that you already have to to receive wine shipments?

See: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_2701-2750/ab_2714_bill_20060621_amended_sen.html

Its still worth opposing as being moot as I seem to remember Fedex and UPS requiring adult signature for all ORM-D deliveries, but its been significantly defanged.

Apostolos
06-30-2006, 12:30 AM
Mike,
Hasn't this bill now become simply that you have to show ID to Fedex or UPS in much the same way that you already have to to receive wine shipments?


Correct. In lieu of requiring proof of age in person, the seller can opt to have the currier verify age/identity when the shipment is made. The seller would also have to place a label on the box stating, "Signature and bona fide evidence of age…required for delivery."

At least that's the analysis as of now. If the bill doesn't change, it doesn't bother me at all.

God Bless,
David

grammaton76
06-30-2006, 12:41 AM
Its still worth opposing as being moot as I seem to remember Fedex and UPS requiring adult signature for all ORM-D deliveries, but its been significantly defanged.

I'm not so sure they do this - I've never had to sign for an ORM-D delivery, but I think I've only ordered twice. Once for some 400 Cor-Bon for my ex-boss's birthday present, and once for a spam-can of 7.62x39mm. "Made to Hunting Specification" indeed. :)

mikehaas
06-30-2006, 6:25 AM
That's not what is says...[/url]
Sorry, had not realized the latest amendments had been applied. Been preoccupied with updates at http://ProjectBoreSnake.org/ (Those guys love those things.)

Anyway, thanks - just updated http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab2714

It still says "...does not apply to ammunition or reloaded ammunition that is rimfire ammunition..." ??

Well, our ballistically sophisticated legislature has definitely taken care of our .10 Eichelberger Long Rifle needs...
http://ammoguide.com/?catid=322

And to think that some consider them incompetent... tsk, tsk, tsk. next time we'll know better. :rolleyes:

But this time, I'm listening to NRA and keeping up the pressure.

Mike

sargenv
06-30-2006, 10:33 AM
I just had a shipment of pistol ammo sent to my parents house. UPS actually asked for an adult signature and my mother did sign for it. In my case, my and my dad's name are the same so I'd be able to get away with this. But it would suck for some people who can't be home. I was wondering about shipping my ammo to work, but putting all that ammo in my backpack might get heavy... and my co-worker might look at me funny :D

This is a really un-needed law that's going to really mess with those of us trying to get a break on inexpensive ammo online.

Vince

cnyankee
06-30-2006, 7:55 PM
thsi is somewhat confusing as i dont see the amendment actual spelled out ( i hate legalize) but if ups is allowed to deliver another option people have that cant be home when it is delivered is to call the 800 number and tell them you will pick it up at the local office and they will hold it for you.

mow
07-02-2006, 9:45 AM
I thought the amendments discussed at the end of May indicated that you had to have id when receiving the mail order ammo from the shipping carrier. I have not seen these amendments. It appears that handgun ammo is still being targeted with this bill. That is bad IMO.