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bigcasino
11-18-2010, 7:01 PM
So many C&R rifles so little money. I am trying to deceide on a M44 from flordia gun works or should I get a 91/30 from classic arms. I am leaning towards the M44 because you dont see a lot of them now days and the 91/30 are still everywhere but I dont know what do you all think?

Also does anyone know anything about FL gun works? I never hear anything good or bad about them. Classic I hear is ok but hard to get ahold of and kind of slow (I lived in the south and that is kind of normal there) but I hear they have a good product and stand by it if there is a problem.

thanks for the help

KCDS
11-18-2010, 7:02 PM
get the 44 first , then 91/30 later

Bigtwin
11-18-2010, 7:23 PM
I will agree that the M44 or M38 is a bit harder to come by as of recent! Not saying they are rare but just been far and few as of late! M91/30's well that is another story!

wingnut948
11-18-2010, 7:26 PM
I've got two m44s and I love 'em. One's a laminated Izhevsk from 1944 and in great condition. The other is a 1945 Izhevsk with a beat-up, repaired stock, but still a good shooter. Got both at Big 5.

I put lace-up Kick-Killer butt pads from Cabelas on both of them, and can pretty much shoot them all day. Plus there's a pretty impressive fireball that comes out of the muzzle as a result of the shortened barrel.

Get the M44, you won't regret it! :D

NaughtyMonkey
11-18-2010, 7:29 PM
Depends on if you plan on shooting alot in my opinion, the M44 has a bigger kick by far. Just from my Experience. But M91/30's are everywhere and I don't see as many M44's either.

SoCal Bob
11-18-2010, 8:32 PM
I don't know how much they cost from FL gun works but if you haven't already done so you might want to search "M44" in the firearms for sale forum. There are a few of them available around the state for $150 and up.

You may also want to look into the M38, it is also a carbine but without the bayonet which I've heard makes it easier to get the barrel bands off for taking the gun apart for cleaning.

paul0660
11-18-2010, 8:35 PM
Florida gun works rings a bell, and not a good one. Google for reviews of them and start reading.

mosinnagantm9130
11-18-2010, 8:37 PM
We're up to seven posts and nobody has said it yet?

Really?

Nobody?!?

I have to say, I'm a little disapointed in you guys, but I guess I'll be the one to say it:

Get both!:D

tmncali
11-18-2010, 8:45 PM
We're up to seven posts and nobody has said it yet?

Really?

Nobody?!?

I have to say, I'm a little disapointed in you guys, but I guess I'll be the one to say it:

Get both!:D

OP
"So many C&R rifles so little money."

Didn't want to put uneeded pressure on them, just starting out and all..........

SideWinder11
11-18-2010, 8:49 PM
M44 first. I love mine but I also love my M38 too :)

dr_communist
11-18-2010, 8:56 PM
get the m44 first. mine is not as accurate as my m91\30 but it sure is loud and it spews fire

SoCal Bob
11-18-2010, 9:09 PM
Florida gun works rings a bell, and not a good one. Google for reviews of them and start reading.

OP, it looks like you really need to follow PAUL0660's advice and spend some quality time with Google before you think about placing an order with Florida Gunworks.

One of the complaints is that they do not list any phone numbers. I just Googled their mailing address and it is a UPS store. Some of the other complaints were that items were not in stock after ordering, didn't ship or were priced higher when you put them in the cart than what they were listed for. If you buy from a Calgunner then you know what you are getting.

Good luck!

mosinnagantm9130
11-18-2010, 9:21 PM
Given the choice between the two though, get the 91/30 first. M44's may be harder to find than 91/30's, but it's not exactly hard to find one.

With a 91/30, you are going to spend less money, 91/30's have less felt recoil, and you will probably have a more accurate rifle. From there, if you like the mosin platform, you can take the plunge on the M44.

Don't get me wrong, I love my M44's, and my first mosin (actually first rifle ever) was an M44, but IMO, the 91/30 is a much better choice for a first mosin.

Flyin Brian
11-18-2010, 9:43 PM
I have a couple of Mosins :) and I agree with Mosinnagantm9130's advice on getting the 91/30 first. Yes the M44 has a fireball and it has the tacti-cool bayonet which may or may not impress your drinking buddies, but I enjoy shooting my 91/30s more.


Actually I enjoy shooting my old M-91s even more but I wouldn't recommend buying one. I don't want the prices going up until I complete my collection ;)

Rem222
11-18-2010, 10:31 PM
Besides the M44 and M38 there is another option. A 91/59....

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM9159.htm

Rekrab
11-18-2010, 11:21 PM
I like my M44 a lot more than my m91/30. I've been thinking of selling mine off because I just don't shoot it as much.

AndrewMendez
11-19-2010, 12:12 AM
Florida gun works rings a bell, and not a good one. Google for reviews of them and start reading.

THIS. FGW is not so much on CalGuns... stick a wanted ad in the for sale section, and do a Face to Face transfer. I would go with a 44. Don't spend over 150 unless it really nice.

maxwellca21
11-19-2010, 12:17 AM
i got a m44 and traded it for a 91/30 and i like it.

armandolo
11-19-2010, 1:25 AM
I had an M44 and sold it. I did not like the attached bayonet. Made it look stupid IMHO. 91/30 is a bit long. Id go for M38

Alex$
11-19-2010, 4:59 AM
Besides the M44 and M38 there is another option. A 91/59....

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM9159.htm

Don't forget the 1907 carbine...

Agustav
11-19-2010, 5:50 AM
Is there any place I can get buy M44 or M91/59 online from a reputable dealer with reasonable price? Looks like the days of <$100 M44 or M91/59 are gone... :(

MongooseV8
11-19-2010, 6:23 AM
My suggestion is do it right the first time and get an M39 :D

If not then I would get which ever gun you find thats in good condition at the right price. Lets face it you are going to get more than one anyway!

cmaher55
11-19-2010, 8:31 AM
I'd pass on the shorter Mosins. They kick way too much to enjoy shooting in my opinion. I had a 91/59 that I loved looking at, she was beautiful but kicked like an angry Mule so I sold her off. I'd stick with the longer Mosins or like they say above, get a Finn. The Finns seem to not kick so badly even with being shortened up a bit. I own an M39 and a few 91/30's and shoot them. I won't bother with the short ones, too painful. Regards

hypnoman
11-19-2010, 8:47 AM
I have more m44's than 91/30's . . . must be because I like that look.

But, from a shooting point of view 91/30's all the way! They are or can be made very accurate very easily.

My m44's . . . do I sight them in with that bayonet open or close . . . just a weird set of barrel harmonics.

they are two different guns . . . so do you want a gun that shoots well (91/30) or a collect a nice looking battle gun (m44)?? . . . or both?

glennsche
11-19-2010, 10:21 AM
i guess for me the question would be answered by: how experienced of a shooter are you? the m44 is a bit of beast; it kicks hard, is not that accurate, has the whole bayonet accuracy thing, is loud as hell... its kind of a hard gun to shoot and stuff. its super easy to clean, thats about the only "good" feature on it. its not a bad gun, per se...but yeah. its like owning an old chevy pickup when you're used to driving hondas or vws, if you get the analogy.

anyways.

if you're looking to get your first C&R and arent sure if its something you'll be into or not, i'd go for the 91/30. if you're an experienced shooter and just want something thats cheap and fun and loud and HEY wow look at that, then the m44 is easier to clean and carry coz its so much shorter.

TRAP55
11-19-2010, 5:29 PM
M-44 kicks? Buncha milsurp wussies, use a slip on wussie pad like I do.:D
Actually, my Finn M-39's will send me home with a sore shoulder before the carbines will. Something about that buttplate that doesn't like my shoulder.

bigcasino, I haven't dealt with em, but I haven't heard anything good about Florida Gun Works.
If you just want a Mosin for plinking, get a 91/30, if you want one that really shoots, get a M-39. You'll have one of each eventually anyhow, it's the nature of the beast.:)

Bukowski
11-19-2010, 6:29 PM
M44 is what the mosin experience is all about...

Nasty, brutish, and short, just like life :43:

Dr.Mauser
11-19-2010, 7:24 PM
Get the M91/59...best of both worlds..

Interloper
11-19-2010, 8:30 PM
I would suggest the M44 just because they seem to have become scarce. I don't know if they will ever be imported again in any quantity.
Also, they look badass and are a blast to shoot, pun very much intended.

The other carbines are cool also but quite a bit more expensive.

cplbuck
11-19-2010, 10:34 PM
I got my M44 at Martin B rettings in Culver city. As previously stated, it is a fire breathing dragon! I love this rifle though. It's my first Mosin. I like the look of the bayonet too. I had to break down and get a wussie pad for it from Turners. It really helps save your shoulder but your brain still gets rattled around. I'd get the M44 if you can find one. Mine has all matching serial numbers and is in imaculate shape. It's accurate too. At one hundred yards i can keep 2 to 3 inch groups. At Angeles, with someone spotting me, I can hit the metal target that are the furtherest out. Some advice about the rifle, it will shoot high at 100 yards because it is sighted in for 200 meters. You have to bury the front site down into the rear site. You will have to drift over the front site for windage. This is what makes the rifle so much fun. It takes some hammering to site it in.

Lex
11-20-2010, 7:10 AM
Gotta get them all... M38, M44 and 91/30.

I had an M44 and sold it. I did not like the attached bayonet. Made it look stupid IMHO. 91/30 is a bit long. Id go for M38
That was the reason I am trying to sell my M44. Dont like the attached bayonet and hard to put in a rifle case. M38 is very modern looking.

Fate
11-20-2010, 7:23 AM
91/30's have less felt recoil, and...

This is actually not true. What people are thinking is recoil is the M44's greater muzzle blast and flash affecting their perception of actual recoil.

Shorter barrels = less recoil. That's physics.

Follow this link, scroll to bottom and compare the M44 and 91/30 in the RECOIL section. You'll be surprised ;)

http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo015.htm

Dolk
11-20-2010, 9:00 AM
This is actually not true. What people are thinking is recoil is the M44's greater muzzle blast and flash affecting their perception of actual recoil.

Shorter barrels = less recoil. That's physics.

Follow this link, scroll to bottom and compare the M44 and 91/30 in the RECOIL section. You'll be surprised ;)

http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo015.htm

Interesting thing I find on that page is the weight of the rifles on the page you posted at
http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo015.htm

They do not match his specifications page at
http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSpec.htm

Weight of the rifle is important when considering recoil also.

The M44 to me kick about the same as a 91/30. No comparing the sound at all, an M44 is much louder.

The rifle that kick the most to me is the M38. and it has the sound and the flash going also. Only thing that I contribute that to is the M38 is almost 2 pounds lighter than a M91/30 and even lighter than a M44. That lack of weight is also physics.

Get a m38

Dr.Mauser
11-20-2010, 3:31 PM
Why doesnt anyone but me suggest the M91/59! Its a great mosin carbine and is a BLAST to shoot

mosinnagantm9130
11-20-2010, 4:14 PM
Why doesnt anyone but me suggest the M91/59! Its a great mosin carbine and is a BLAST to shoot

Mostly because they are usually more expensive than an M38, 44, or 91/30.

The recoil bit was my personal experience over math. Sounds stupid, I know, but I can shoot a 91/30 all day without much trouble. The M44, on the other hand, becomes a shoulder pain after 60ish rounds.:p

Dr.Mauser
11-20-2010, 9:51 PM
None the less I swear by my M91/59, or get one of these:
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww193/ThisDayInHistory14/MOSINPistol-Original.jpg

Interloper
11-20-2010, 10:18 PM
You will have to drift over the front site for windage. This is what makes the rifle so much fun. It takes some hammering to site it in.
I suspect you were shooting with the bayonet folded. ;)