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highspeed11
06-26-2006, 7:38 PM
If one were to possess a "Top Secret" clearance while working for the Federal Goverment and not a contractor (if that matters) would that make obtaining a CCW any easier? This would be in Alameda county...

edit: I meant to put this in the other forum. Admin: please move. Thank you.

VeryCoolCat
06-26-2006, 9:02 PM
The Secret / Top Secret security clearance doesn't mean or do all that much.

All it means they did an extensive check on your background.

To my knowledge DEA/ATF agents are usually TOP SECRET level.


It shouldn't effect a CCW permit as that depends on the sheriff and he might just be a DO NOT ISSUE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES kind of person.

Though having a clearance usually means your a govt employee/contractor and they'd see that right away.

Unfortunately some people can't have this level of clearance as part of their history they don't know and what evidence existed has since disappeared.

MysteryCereal
06-27-2006, 7:57 AM
Even us lowly TSA Screening Officers have some form of Top Secret Security Clearance.

Chaingun
06-27-2006, 8:58 AM
The government considers any commercial or private business who works for them a contractor. The large Boeing corp is considered a contractor. Boeing in turn hires non-employees as contract labor.

The clearance will be no use to the state since it was issued by the feds. It might help if you're some form of federal agent.

Matt C
06-27-2006, 10:10 AM
If one were to possess a clearance, would it really be a good idea to publicly advertise it in a public forum?

Next question. How many people in Alameda county have such or higher clearances? Must be way more than a few dozen. Given how many federal agencies are there (is the DoE west coast field office still in Oakland), it must be zillions. If that were enough of a reason to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you think that there would be way more CCW holders than there are?

Last question: Have you talked to some of your (cleared) colleagues in the office? Typically people in such enclosed societies form close ties, and you could probably find out from the experience of other gun owners and shooters who may have tried to get a CCW.

You make it sound much more exciting than it really is. I doubt it would help.

50 Freak
06-27-2006, 10:32 AM
I can beat that, I have a "SUPER DUPER TOP SECRET SECURITY CLEARANCE", says so on my decoder ring. :D

glen avon
06-27-2006, 10:44 AM
If one were to possess a "Top Secret" clearance while working for the Federal Goverment and not a contractor (if that matters) would that make obtaining a CCW any easier?

I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you.

rips31
06-27-2006, 3:07 PM
The Secret / Top Secret security clearance doesn't mean or do all that much.

All it means they did an extensive check on your background.

To my knowledge DEA/ATF agents are usually TOP SECRET level.
secretaries at the dea have top secret clearance. :)

Spl1nter_c311
06-27-2006, 9:43 PM
Security clearences don't help out in the CCW process, however they do help in getting guns through the civilian marksmanship program faster. A friend of mine who I work with got two garands. One in his wifes name, the other in his name, he has an SSBI (good for compartmentalized access), she doesn't have clearences any at all. Ordered at the same time he was cleared through first(1-2 weeks ahead) of his wife, according to the paper work they sent. He did list that he had an SSBI on the form, so it does help.

Adam

highspeed11
06-28-2006, 4:43 AM
Yeah, when I actually thought about it, I realized there's thousands of people with a clearance and how many people have a CCW in Alameda, 100-200? Seems like all the cost and hassle are what's keeping people away. I was just thinking that the background check, psych testing, and fingerprinting where already done but they probably won't accept that and require you to do it all over again

I just read the process on packing.org...

CA DOJ records indicate there are 192 permits in this county as of 2004. County population as of 7/1/2000 = 1,453,042

The Alameda County Sheriff's Office is the issuing authority for all CCW permits in this East Bay county, which includes the cities of Oakland, Berkeley, Alameda, San Leandro, Fremont, and Hayward. Local PD's defer to the Sheriff for permit issuance. The requirements for a CCW are: 1) Residence in the county and being at least 21 years old; 2) "Good Character" as proved by a clean DOJ background check; and, 3) "Justification," as expressed in the application letter. The first 2 requirements are easily proven. The third is a bit vague and discretionary, but it seems that the Alameda Sheriff is more liberal than, say the SFPD in regards to what constitutes "justification." I would suggest you make the best case you can in this part of the application. Being a shop owner in Oakland, for example, seems adequate justification for the Alameda Sheriff. The SFPD doesn't seem to think so.

If you satisfy the 3 essential "prerequisites" for the CCW, you will be asked to submit the $175 fee for a 2-year resident CCW permit. You must then show evidence of having passed a firearms safety course. The NRA course is currently acceptable, but there are plans to require an 8-16 POST-type course. Then you must undergo a 4-hour psychological evaluation. You will be given the same psychological tests and psychological interview that are used to evaluate Sheriff's Deputy Recruits. (cost=$150). If you pass this, you will be scheduled for range qualification (current cost=$50), which you must pass with a range score of 75% or better, using the gun you will carry loaded with the ammo you will carry. Finally, you are required to carry $1 million in personal liability insurance. This can be obtained as a rider on your homeowner's policy at fairly reasonable cost (mine was about $50 more per year).

Alameda is pretty slow in issuing permits. Mine took about 7 months from start to finish. They will authorize one weapon on the permit. If you want to change weapons, you must range-qualify with the new gun. The CCW is valid throughout the state. There are commonsense restrictions, such as you can't carry while drinking alcohol or in an airport. The county has issued about 250 permits for about 2 million residents. The number of permits is relatively small probably because of the cost (about $400 for all the fees) and the hoops applicants have to jump through.