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OldWestOutlaw
11-17-2010, 9:35 PM
Being as the pre 1899 limit was set 42 years ago, isn't it about time we raise the limit? It's not like I see gang members or corner store robbers running around with 30s era .357 magnums and M1 Garands.... Plus some of those later produced Model 1892 and 1894 Winchesters aren't exactly the number one tool for crime..... These guns are at an advanced age and if the antique gun law wasn't working I'm sure I'd be seeing Gang members wearing cowboy hats, chaps, and running around with Winchester rifles and Colt Single Action Armies. The police could never catch their horses!

Argonaut
11-17-2010, 9:46 PM
Not likely, The next generation of firearms from 1899 are way too effective, Like Colt 1911, Luger P08, even earlier Colt semi autos and revolvers are too much like modern guns.

mosinnagantm9130
11-17-2010, 9:56 PM
Not likely, The next generation of firearms from 1899 are way too effective, Like Colt 1911, Luger P08, even earlier Colt semi autos and revolvers are too much like modern guns.

I could see certain models being exempted though. Case in point: M91's. Not really any functional difference between an 1898 Imperial Russian and a 40's Finn.

Sort of like how CZ-82's are considered C&R, even though they aren't 50 years old yet.

OldWestOutlaw
11-17-2010, 10:57 PM
Not likely, The next generation of firearms from 1899 are way too effective, Like Colt 1911, Luger P08, even earlier Colt semi autos and revolvers are too much like modern guns.

What about the Winchester rifles? Or Model 1901? Or later Model 1897s? A lot of even the 20th century Winchesters are too unfit for any criminal business.

NaughtyMonkey
11-17-2010, 11:07 PM
I honestly doubt any of that will change. Too many anti gun people to let it go through, but I say we can at least try and say we tried! Lets do it! ha!

bigstick61
11-17-2010, 11:41 PM
Better to just go after the laws that result in this distinction rather than just alter a regulation a bit.

Full Clip
11-17-2010, 11:46 PM
Anything that's not semi-auto should be included. Revolvers, bolt-, lever- and pump-action...

not-fishing
11-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Not likely, The next generation of firearms from 1899 are way too effective, Like Colt 1911, Luger P08, even earlier Colt semi autos and revolvers are too much like modern guns.

Effective??

Don't ever try a shooting match with a SASS gunslinger and a Schofield revolver. Your P08 might not be able to keep up.

Or a black powder rifle shooter with a 45/90 at 500+ yds

The same goes for a good rifleman and a Winchester 94 in 30-30 up against an M1.

It ain't the bow it's the indian. :D

Alex$
11-18-2010, 12:10 AM
I could see certain models being exempted though. Case in point: M91's. Not really any functional difference between an 1898 Imperial Russian and a 40's Finn.

Sort of like how CZ-82's are considered C&R, even though they aren't 50 years old yet.

That whole "C" part of the C&R... polygonal barrel...

The 100+ antique law should be revised to be "real".

littlejake
11-18-2010, 8:06 AM
The pre 1899 definition of antique has its origins in the GCA of 1968. I doubt they will ever change that definition.

Interloper
11-18-2010, 8:38 AM
A rolling 100 year rule would make sense, just like the 50 year rule for for relics. I think BATFE is pretty comfortable with the way things are, though. If you have your C&R it doesn't really make much difference.
At the top of my wish list would be to have California defer completely to Federal C&R law...

OldWestOutlaw
11-18-2010, 10:47 AM
A rolling 100 year rule would make sense, just like the 50 year rule for for relics. I think BATFE is pretty comfortable with the way things are, though. If you have your C&R it doesn't really make much difference.
At the top of my wish list would be to have California defer completely to Federal C&R law...

But really, is a 100 year old firearm among one of the most used firearms? This isn't the rag time era (which is about 1910). I don't think I've seen someone use or have one of these in a LONG time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1897

Interloper
11-18-2010, 10:56 AM
But really, is a 100 year old firearm among one of the most used firearms? This isn't the rag time era (which is about 1910). I don't think I've seen someone use or have one of these in a LONG time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1897

You'll get no argument from me. Who said the law has to make sense?

CSACANNONEER
11-18-2010, 11:03 AM
1898/1899 is a pretty good point to use to distinguish between old technology and "modern firearms". It wasn't long after that that smokeless powders became common and both semi and full autos started appearing on the scene.

But really, is a 100 year old firearm among one of the most used firearms? This isn't the rag time era (which is about 1910). I don't think I've seen someone use or have one of these in a LONG time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1897

You might not but many of these have gotten more use in the last 25 years than they did during their early years. These are probably the most common shotgun being used for Cowboy action shooting today.

OldWestOutlaw
11-18-2010, 11:20 AM
1898/1899 is a pretty good point to use to distinguish between old technology and "modern firearms". It wasn't long after that that smokeless powders became common and both semi and full autos started appearing on the scene.



You might not but many of these have gotten more use in the last 25 years than they did during their early years. These are probably the most common shotgun being used for Cowboy action shooting today.

True, but I'm talking about for use in crime. I don't think those columbine kids or that Virginia Tech kid used one. They used much more modern cheaper firearms.

Croweman08
11-18-2010, 11:31 AM
our wonderful fuerer's here in KALI think that gangsta's crimp press and reload those old cartdridges!! :willy_nilly::rofl: Yo, smokey, gan you get me that 32-20 die, its the shizzz sucka!!! hahahaha

M. D. Van Norman
11-18-2010, 12:11 PM
How about we get the collector’s FFL expanded to cover all non-NFA firearms? :cool:

rojocorsa
11-18-2010, 12:37 PM
"Who said the law had to make sense?"

Thread/

Interloper
11-18-2010, 3:11 PM
How about we get the collector’s FFL expanded to cover all non-NFA firearms? :cool:

I'm down with that. How's about the 01FFL is for dealers and the 03 would be for non-dealers only.

M. D. Van Norman
11-18-2010, 4:50 PM
That and some federal preemption would make things golden.

NaughtyMonkey
11-18-2010, 5:55 PM
Maybe dreams can come true. I'm not going to get excited, that way I don't get let down, but lets try it anyway!

OldWestOutlaw
11-18-2010, 9:10 PM
our wonderful fuerer's here in KALI think that gangsta's crimp press and reload those old cartdridges!! :willy_nilly::rofl: Yo, smokey, gan you get me that 32-20 die, its the shizzz sucka!!! hahahaha

Warning: This mockery of current gun laws will use outdated yet offensive language. I do not mean to mock or talk down about any culture or people.

1914: The year California thinks we're still in when it comes to modern weaponry
"Ey holmes, there's someone wearing a blue bandana and blue cowboy hat, let's pull our Single Action Armies and our Winchesters and steal his horse and cattle."

"Naw Essay, he works with the marshalls, no one ****s with Wyatt Earp"

"Don't be a coward pancho, C'mon, its not like the sheriff has a cannon or gatling gun. Oh well, we could just rob normal people. Gun laws in California are so strict they can't legally defend themselves, even with our outdated weaponry and soon, it seems like they'll ban everything, even pepper spray because its a "dangerous weapon"

Papa Romeo
11-18-2010, 10:31 PM
I have a Winchester model 1890. The receiver was manufactured in 1902. Is my model 1890 considered antique or not?

OldWestOutlaw
11-18-2010, 10:43 PM
I have a Winchester model 1890. The receiver was manufactured in 1902. Is my model 1890 considered antique or not?

its not an antique if the reciever was made post 1898

mosinnagantm9130
11-18-2010, 10:45 PM
I have a Winchester model 1890. The receiver was manufactured in 1902. Is my model 1890 considered antique or not?

No, however, it is C&R eligible.

TRAP55
11-19-2010, 6:34 PM
If only they would uphold that pesky little part that says "shall not be infringed", there would be no problem.;)