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WWII collector
11-07-2010, 11:24 AM
Is this what the real deal sells for,WOW. My pockets have a bottom, maybe I will have to buy a nice fake.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189322845

Should I expect to pay this much for a nice fake, or a little less after the haggling is over ..?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/903502604/Guns/Rifles/Mauser-Rifles/German/German_Mauser_K98_sniper.htm

cannon
11-07-2010, 11:32 AM
Is this what the real deal sells for,WOW. My pockets have a bottom, maybe I will have to buy a nice fake.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189322845

Well With a nice fake you will feel no guilt shooting it. :D

On the other hand the rifle listed had no bids. So you can be in the game for less than 13K. You could also check into Enfield snipers. A1 condition with all the goodies in the 4K to 6K range and the field is not flooded with fakes.

paul0660
11-07-2010, 11:40 AM
http://www.k98kforum.com/

This is where your question belongs, as someone suggested before. You WILL find some of the experts there to be curt and dismissive, but the right attitude on your part (interested, acknowledging your inexperience) will go a long way. Actually that works everywhere.

Milsurp Collector
11-07-2010, 11:45 AM
Is this what the real deal sells for,WOW. My pockets have a bottom, maybe I will have to buy a nice fake.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189322845

Should I expect to pay this much for a nice fake, or a little less after the haggling is over ..?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/903502604/Guns/Rifles/Mauser-Rifles/German/German_Mauser_K98_sniper.htm

The second one is not a nice fake. As an exercise, see if you can figure out why I say that. Others, please don't jump in, let him think about it for awhile.

If you have no clue where to even begin, in my opinion it is premature to think about getting into the K98k sniper market, no matter how much money you have to throw away. Again, what is your big hurry? You have to be able to crawl before you can run a marathon. Become at least somewhat knowledgeable about regular K98ks before getting your feet wet with snipers.

WWII collector
11-07-2010, 11:55 AM
The second one is not a nice fake. As an exercise, see if you can figure out why I say that. Others, please don't jump in, let him think about it for awhile.

If you have no clue where to even begin, in my opinion it is premature to think about getting into the K98k sniper market, no matter how much money you have to throw away. Again, what is your big hurry? You have to be able to crawl before you can run a marathon. Become at least somewhat knowledgeable about regular K98ks before getting your feet wet with snipers.

Don't think I don't appreciate your advice, because I do. At 68 I'm one tick away from handing my collection down to my son, who in all probability will pawn it. I will do the best I can to research what I'm looking for.
I would like to ask if these people can be trusted ? Dec. gives me a month of research time.

http://rockislandauction.com/search/aid/51

Milsurp Collector
11-07-2010, 12:09 PM
Don't think I don't appreciate your advice, because I do. At 68 I'm one tick away from handing my collection down to my son, who in all probability will pawn it. I will do the best I can to research what I'm looking for.
I would like to ask if these people can be trusted ? Dec. gives me a month of research time.

http://rockislandauction.com/search/aid/51

They are a reputable auction house, but all they do is sell what is brought to them. They make no guarantee as to the authenticity of what is sold beyond what is in the headline of the auction i.e. a Garand for auction really is a Garand. Anything beyond that is caveat emptor.


From their Terms & Conditions

9. GUARANTEE. All property offered for sale is as is, where is. ALL SALES ARE FINAL. THERE WILL BE REFUNDS AND NO EXCHANGES. Rock Island Auction does not guarantee or make warranties on any lot sold. The bold headline of the description is the only written statement Rock Island Auction Company will guarantee as correct. Descriptions in the catalog are opinion. They are written as an aid to potential bidders. We acknowledge that there may be errors in what is written beyond the bold headline description. We recommend you to personally view any item you bid on or have an acknowledged expert view the item. Statements starting with the word condition are opinions, not statement of fact or guarantees. If a dispute about a lot arises it is the buyer’s responsibility to provide a written statement by an acknowledged qualified expert within 30 days after the auction that the bold headline is in fact incorrect. If the expert’s statement is indeed correct Rock Island Auction Company will make a full refund upon return of merchandise. Providing the merchandise is returned in the same condition it was received. We must again reiterate the guarantee is only on the bold headline of the description and Rock Island Auction Company will only honor this guarantee within 30 days of an Auction. This right to return an item purchased at an auction shall be expressly limited to situations where errors occurred in the bold headline description of an auction item and such 30-day return provision shall not apply to a return of an auction item for any other reason. Rock Island Auction Company will have no further obligation including no refunds or returns will be accepted if the above conditions are not met. Items offered for sale as described in the catalog or any bill of sale, advertisement, addendum sheet, or elsewhere as to authorship, period, culture, source, origin, measurement, quality, rarity, provenance, importance, exhibition, physical condition are qualified statements of opinion and not representations or warranties. No employee of Rock Island Auction Company or any person purporting to act on behalf of Rock Island Auction Company is authorized to make on our behalf or that of the consignor, any representation or warranty, oral or written, with respect to any lot or item for sale.

So again, it is up to you to know what you are buying. I know you have a knowledgeable and experienced friend from high school who can help you in Tulsa, but you can't exactly carry him around in your back pocket 24/7, now can you. :p But your brain generally goes wherever you go, so any knowledge you put in there will always be available to you. But it is up to you to put the information in there. ;)

WWII collector
11-07-2010, 12:23 PM
They are a reputable auction house, but all they do is sell what is brought to them. They make no guarantee as to the authenticity of what is sold beyond what is in the headline of the auction i.e. a Garand for auction really is a Garand. Anything beyond that is caveat emptor.


From their Terms & Conditions



So again, it is up to you to know what you are buying. I know you have a knowledgeable and experienced friend from high school who can help you in Tulsa, but you can't exactly carry him around in your back pocket 24/7, now can you. :p But your brain generally goes wherever you go, so any knowledge you put in there will always be available to you. But it is up to you to put the information in there. ;)

I will have to start a log book, I can't remember what I had for dinner last night.......:(

Milsurp Collector
11-07-2010, 12:32 PM
Here's another suggestion:

Register at the K98k Forum so you can post a Want to Buy ad in this section http://www.k98kforum.com/forumdisplay.php?5-Forum-Trader

Explain your situation and tell them you have money to spend on quality items but you don't want to get cheated on Gunbroker or at gun shows. Tell them you are in the process of learning but you want to have some quality items now and are willing to pay the market price for them. There are many experienced collectors there who probably have some legit items you would be interested in. A lot safer than going out into the wild.

WWII collector
11-07-2010, 12:39 PM
Here's another suggestion:

Register at the K98k Forum so you can post a Want to Buy ad in this section http://www.k98kforum.com/forumdisplay.php?5-Forum-Trader

Explain your situation and tell them you have money to spend on quality items but you don't want to get cheated on Gunbroker or at gun shows. Tell them you are in the process of learning but you want to have some quality items now and are willing to pay the market price for them. There are many experienced collectors there who probably have some legit items you would be interested in. A lot safer than going out into the wild.

Will do, thanks.

emcon5
11-07-2010, 3:29 PM
Excellent advice from Milsurp Collector.

Is this what the real deal sells for,WOW. My pockets have a bottom, maybe I will have to buy a nice fake.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189322845That is why there are so many fakes. Real ones are worth a lot of money, and a "good" fake can fool someone into paying a lot more than it is worth.

Should I expect to pay this much for a nice fake, or a little less after the haggling is over ..?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/903502604/Guns/Rifles/Mauser-Rifles/German/German_Mauser_K98_sniper.htmThat is a Mitchell's, and the price he claims he paid matches their asking price.

That is pretty much the opposite of a good fake. Pretty fake maybe, if you like the pimp-shined bolt.

It really sucks gunboards lost their photos with the software upgrade. They used to have a photo thread, with links to excellent examples of damn near every variation of K98. If you wanted to know what a 1936 ERMA, or 1944 J.P. Sauer is supposed to look like, you could click on a link to a bunch of detailed photos.

They also had "Turd Alerts" which gave the same level of detail to fakes, "this rifle is fake, and here is why" It was a great resource.

Croweman08
11-07-2010, 6:42 PM
Don't think I don't appreciate your advice, because I do. At 68 I'm one tick away from handing my collection down to my son, who in all probability will pawn it. I will do the best I can to research what I'm looking for.
I would like to ask if these people can be trusted ? Dec. gives me a month of research time.

http://rockislandauction.com/search/aid/51

you know there is a private firearms market in these forums right?????;)

Milsurp Collector
11-08-2010, 6:27 PM
There is a Gunbroker auction for a bolt mismatch LSR sniper without the scope currently in overtime http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=198093126

Rogerbutthead
11-08-2010, 6:55 PM
Is it a real thick walled receiver rifle?

olhunter
11-08-2010, 7:05 PM
So WWII Collector got banned.

It feels like an annoying relative finally went home. Pheeew.

Rogerbutthead
11-08-2010, 7:28 PM
Yeah, I guess him posting the pic of himself flipping the bird was too much.

I thought I was immature at age 50.

Getting back to the bcd 4 rifle, if the seller wanted top dollar, they would have shown the thick side wall, right?

So it was not a thick side walled receiver? The seller never mentions it.

Did I just miss my chance at a real sniper rifle?

Milsurp Collector
11-08-2010, 9:30 PM
Yeah, I guess him posting the pic of himself flipping the bird was too much.

I thought I was immature at age 50.

Getting back to the bcd 4 rifle, if the seller wanted top dollar, they would have shown the thick side wall, right?

So it was not a thick side walled receiver? The seller never mentions it.

Did I just miss my chance at a real sniper rifle?

The pictures didn't show the sidewall well but it looked like a legit bcd 4 LSR sniper. Right code and sniper buttplate, original phosphate finish. It had the wrong bolt, not even a K98k bolt, but that could have been replaced with an appropriate Gustloff non-matching K98k bolt with a repro sniper safety. Add the rest of the mount and a scope and you would have had a nice repro sniper built on a real sniper.

Double G
11-11-2010, 8:01 AM
The bcd4 also had an original base, so some good, some bad. An easy purchase if it was in hand, hard to do with the sellers description.

Rogerbutthead
11-11-2010, 9:06 AM
I can only recall that on some other forum years ago, someone posted a non-thick walled bcd 4 with one of those spacers and a mount next to a real thick walled bcd 4 and I could not tell the difference until he showed pics of them side by side with the bolts out and the mounts off.

smeg
11-11-2010, 10:53 AM
you can tell if you had it hand by looking at it from certain angles,,,you can see the adapter plate or in the case of a thick wall, ,,the thick wall.

looks like ww2 collector decided to sell...
has another one too listed...and looks like a dealer.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/923999808/Guns/Rifles/Mauser-Rifles/German/K98_GERMAN_MAUSER.htm#

Milsurp Collector
11-11-2010, 2:10 PM
looks like ww2 collector decided to sell...
has another one too listed...and looks like a dealer.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/923999808/Guns/Rifles/Mauser-Rifles/German/K98_GERMAN_MAUSER.htm#

That listing is closed. I think WWII collector is the one who bought that rifle and that is where he got it.

smeg
11-11-2010, 2:13 PM
oh, right you are.