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run8
11-03-2010, 2:30 PM
I'll be selling off some excess firearms at the Reno Gun Show this weekend, now I know if someone has their C&R license that's pretty straight forward or if they are an FFL 01. But what if a California resident wants to buy a rifle from me, but we have the issue of being in another state? Can we still handle that as a FTF transaction as we would in CA for a C&R long gun purchase? Now what if a Nevada resident who doesn't have an C&R wants to buy from me, do we go with an FFL for that transfer? These are all C&R, long guns and a few pistols, I also will have a few modern long guns and I know those no doubt have to go through a dealer.

Just wanted to get all my ducks in a row, thought this is the best place to ask questions.

Hopefully I made sense of it all, appreciate any and all replies.

beetle
11-03-2010, 2:57 PM
i'm also headed to the reno show. care to give us a preview of what you will be offeirng? :)

Eat Dirt
11-03-2010, 2:59 PM
Interesting questions ....................

Capt_Communist
11-03-2010, 3:14 PM
if i'm not mistaken, if it's a regular long gun you fall under Nevada law. I'm pretty sure the feds say if you're selling a long gun you fall under the state law in which the gun will be sold.
Nevada law is ok with 2 people doing a face to face cash and carry on long guns

again this is just off the top of my head, but i'm sure someone will chime in on this

run8
11-03-2010, 5:33 PM
Well my custom made crates I've made for transporting about 10 guns at a time have pad locks on them and I can't find the keys, so now I have to put them all into as many cases as possible, so here's a short list.

(2) G43 DUV 44 (yes that's two of them both same code)
Krag Jorgenson
Springfield Trapdoor
Remington 1903
Eddystone 1917
(2) M1 Garands
M1 Carbine
SVT40
(2) Iraqi K98k's

There will be more, some ammo, some books, some uniforms that I bought to get into re-inacting an never got into it, and some parts and a couple of AR15's.



i'm also headed to the reno show. care to give us a preview of what you will be offeirng? :)

beetle
11-03-2010, 5:35 PM
hmmmm.... interesting. PM inbound :)

Mssr. Eleganté
11-03-2010, 8:14 PM
I'll be selling off some excess firearms at the Reno Gun Show this weekend, now I know if someone has their C&R license that's pretty straight forward or if they are an FFL 01. But what if a California resident wants to buy a rifle from me, but we have the issue of being in another state?

While in Nevada, you can't dispose of any firearms to a non-FFL. Federal law says you can dispose of C&R firearms to non-FFL Californians only while you are inside California.

Federal law also says that you can dispose of C&R rifles and shotguns to non-Californian non-FFLs only while you are at your licensed premises.

If your buyer is a California C&R FFL you can transfer C&R long guns and C&R handguns to them at the show.


Can we still handle that as a FTF transaction as we would in CA for a C&R long gun purchase?

Nope. Even if you could transfer the firearm to a Californian at the Reno show that person would be forbidden by Federal law from transporting the firearm back into California.

Now what if a Nevada resident who doesn't have an C&R wants to buy from me, do we go with an FFL for that transfer?.

Yes, you'd need to transfer the firearm through a Nevada FFL.

run8
11-03-2010, 8:27 PM
Okay so let me see if I got this straight.

No problems selling to a C&R/FFL holder if it's a C&R long gun or hand gun.

No sales to a Californian, who is not licensed.

No sales to a Californian, who is out of the state.

As far as selling to a Nevada resident, if they don't have an C&R or FFL than it goes through a licensed FFL dealer who will handle the transfer.

And then I got the part about if your a Californian you can't buy a firearm and expect to carry it over state lines w/o having the proper licensing.

I know I just repeated what you said, but i want to make sure I'm doing everything correctly so I don't get myself in hot water, because I am sure there are spies looking around to bust folks.

Now, if there is a person from California that happens to see one of my firearms and they want to purchase it, there's no reason why we can't do that when we get back to California? That of course would be like any other transaction like we'd do to a non-licensee for a C&R long gun, with the exception of a hand gun, which as always must go through a dealer.

Thanks

While in Nevada, you can't dispose of any firearms to a non-FFL. Federal law says you can dispose of C&R firearms to non-FFL Californians only while you are inside California.

Federal law also says that you can dispose of C&R rifles and shotguns to non-Californian non-FFLs only while you are at your licensed premises.

If your buyer is a California C&R FFL you can transfer C&R long guns and C&R handguns to them at the show.




Nope. Even if you could transfer the firearm to a Californian at the Reno show that person would be forbidden by Federal law from transporting the firearm back into California.



Yes, you'd need to transfer the firearm through a Nevada FFL.

Mssr. Eleganté
11-03-2010, 8:42 PM
Just to clarify, while in Nevada you can dispose of a C&R handgun or a C&R long gun to an FFL from any State, including California.

And yes, if you and and unlicensed California resident want to meet up on the California side of the border after the show, you can dispose of a 50+ year old C&R long gun to them.

run8
11-03-2010, 8:45 PM
Great got it all, appreciate your assistance.


Just to clarify, while in Nevada you can dispose of a C&R handgun or a C&R long gun to an FFL from any State, including California.

And yes, if you and and unlicensed California resident want to meet up on the California side of the border after the show, you can dispose of a 50+ year old C&R long gun to them.

WWII collector
11-03-2010, 8:50 PM
Great got it all, appreciate your assistance.

Are you interested in shipping any of your guns ?

run8
11-03-2010, 8:51 PM
No issues, but the question is, is anyone willing to pay my prices!

Are you interested in shipping any of your guns ?

WWII collector
11-03-2010, 9:04 PM
No issues, but the question is, is anyone willing to pay my prices!

I've pretty much paid more for my guns than they are worth, because I wanted them. Send me some pictures and prices in a PM and I will see what I can do. Send them before the 13th of Nov, because I will be going to the largest gun show in America and I'll be dropping up to ten grand before I come home.

Captain Cogle
11-03-2010, 10:01 PM
PM sent about the WW2 gear.

Milsurp Collector
11-04-2010, 11:20 AM
...I will be going to the largest gun show in America and I'll be dropping up to ten grand before I come home.

Please do yourself a favor and take a fraction of that $10,000 and buy some books right now before you go to the show and take them with you. When I was first buying stuff I actually took a backpack with my reference books with me to gun shows so I could check them while at the show. Amazon and perhaps others can get them to you before the show. If the books save you from making even one bad purchase they will pay for themselves.

Some suggestions:

General
http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Catalog-Military-Firearms-Collectors/dp/0896898261/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893935&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Military-Full-Color-Favorite-Vintage-Surplus/dp/1931464391/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288893968&sr=1-1-spell

US
http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Infantry-Weapons-World-War/dp/0917218671/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288891628&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Baby-U-S-Caliber-Carbine-Vol/dp/0889351171/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288892125&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Guide-Springfield-Service-Rifle/dp/1931464154/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288892550&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Collectors-Guide-Colt-Service-Pistols/dp/0963397133/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288892629&sr=1-11
The M1 Garand: Serial Numbers & Data Sheets http://www.scott-duff.com/DuffBooks.htm#106
The M1 Garand: World War II Vol. 1 http://www.scott-duff.com/DuffBooks.htm#103

Nazi
http://kriegsmodell.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Backbone-Wehrmacht-German-Rifle-1934-1945/dp/B000KK29O0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288892942&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Backbone-Wehrmacht-Vol-II-Variations/dp/0889352224/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288892942&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/German-Sniper-1914-1945-Peter-Senich/dp/0873642236/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893008&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Garands-German-Self-loading-Rifles/dp/0889352755/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288893100&sr=1-1

British
http://www.amazon.com/British-Enfield-Rifles-Internet-Workshop/dp/1882391160/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893510&sr=1-4
http://www.amazon.com/British-Enfield-Rifles-Lee-Enfield-Collectors/dp/1882391241/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893510&sr=1-3

Japanese
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?177139-Intro-SALE-price-extended!-New-edition-of-T-99-Arisaka-book
http://www.castle-thunder.com/type38arisaka/

Soviet
http://www.amazon.com/Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-collectors-only/dp/1882391217/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893866&sr=1-1

If you decide not to get the books, seriously, I would leave your checkbook at home but go to the show as a learning experience. Walk around, handle the merchandise, but don't buy any firearms. Don't ask the sellers any questions except for entertainment, because I wouldn't believe half of what they said. There will probably be booksellers there selling some of the books listed above, buy them instead. Otherwise, it's like smearing yourself with raw hamburger and then walking into a room filled with hungry pitbulls. :eek: If the sellers realize you are a newbie with a fat wallet but not much experience you will make all of their wildest dreams come true.

I believe they have that Tulsa show twice a year. Go to this one as a learning experience, buy the books, do your homework, and then you'll be much better prepared to buy when they have the spring show.

WWII collector
11-04-2010, 11:36 AM
Please do yourself a favor and take a fraction of that $10,000 and buy some books right now before you go to the show and take them with you. When I was first buying stuff I actually took a backpack with my reference books with me to gun shows so I could check them while at the show. Amazon and perhaps others can get them to you before the show. If the books save you from making even one bad purchase they will pay for themselves.

Some suggestions:

General
http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Catalog-Military-Firearms-Collectors/dp/0896898261/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893935&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Military-Full-Color-Favorite-Vintage-Surplus/dp/1931464391/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288893968&sr=1-1-spell

US
http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Infantry-Weapons-World-War/dp/0917218671/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288891628&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Baby-U-S-Caliber-Carbine-Vol/dp/0889351171/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288892125&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Guide-Springfield-Service-Rifle/dp/1931464154/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288892550&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Collectors-Guide-Colt-Service-Pistols/dp/0963397133/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288892629&sr=1-11
The M1 Garand: Serial Numbers & Data Sheets http://www.scott-duff.com/DuffBooks.htm#106
The M1 Garand: World War II Vol. 1 http://www.scott-duff.com/DuffBooks.htm#103

Nazi
http://kriegsmodell.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Backbone-Wehrmacht-German-Rifle-1934-1945/dp/B000KK29O0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288892942&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Backbone-Wehrmacht-Vol-II-Variations/dp/0889352224/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288892942&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/German-Sniper-1914-1945-Peter-Senich/dp/0873642236/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893008&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Garands-German-Self-loading-Rifles/dp/0889352755/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288893100&sr=1-1

British
http://www.amazon.com/British-Enfield-Rifles-Internet-Workshop/dp/1882391160/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893510&sr=1-4
http://www.amazon.com/British-Enfield-Rifles-Lee-Enfield-Collectors/dp/1882391241/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893510&sr=1-3

Japanese
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?177139-Intro-SALE-price-extended!-New-edition-of-T-99-Arisaka-book
http://www.castle-thunder.com/type38arisaka/

Soviet
http://www.amazon.com/Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-collectors-only/dp/1882391217/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288893866&sr=1-1

If you decide not to get the books, seriously, I would leave your checkbook at home but go to the show as a learning experience. Walk around, handle the merchandise, but don't buy any firearms. Don't ask the sellers any questions except for entertainment, because I wouldn't believe half of what they said. There will probably be booksellers there selling some of the books listed above, buy them instead. Otherwise, it's like smearing yourself with raw hamburger and then walking into a room filled with hungry pitbulls. :eek: If the sellers realize you are a newbie with a fat wallet but not much experience you will make all of their wildest dreams come true.

I believe they have that Tulsa show twice a year. Go to this one as a learning experience, buy the books, do your homework, and then you'll be much better prepared to buy when they have the spring show.

Thanks for the advice, but I have an old high school buddy from Texas that will have a couple of tables there, he has been collecting for about 40 years. I wouldn't buy anything without running it by him first.

His website, check out the gallery.

http://lmd-militaria.com/

TRAP55
11-04-2010, 1:40 PM
run8, Do you have a table number yet?

Eat Dirt
11-04-2010, 5:11 PM
Like Always .......

Milsurp Collector has the Good Advice ..............

run8
11-04-2010, 5:44 PM
74-4 and the one right next to it IIRC I have blue cloths, all the rifles are at a 45 degree angle for the most part.

run8, Do you have a table number yet?

TRAP55
11-07-2010, 12:04 PM
run8, pleasure meeting you!
We had to run early, daughter went into labor, didn't get back to your table.
If you still have that 20ga full choke barrel, I'll take it!

run8
11-08-2010, 9:07 PM
TRAP55, you must have mistaken my for someone else, I wasn't selling any shotguns. I think that was the guy to the corner of me, I just had two tables, hope your daughter had a successful delivery?

run8, pleasure meeting you!
We had to run early, daughter went into labor, didn't get back to your table.
If you still have that 20ga full choke barrel, I'll take it!