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Falstaff
11-02-2010, 6:50 PM
I want to put a better barrel on my rem 700 30.06. What tools do i need to buy to get that thing off and headspace a new one?

damon1272
11-02-2010, 7:29 PM
This should go in the gunsmithing forum. That said you need an action wrench, headspace gauges, finish reamer, and lathe so that you can thread the barrel and clearance for the recoil lug. Not a drop in deal like a savage.

G-forceJunkie
11-02-2010, 7:41 PM
Machine shop and a competent gunsmith. It not a do it yourself job unless your a machinist and willing to buy $500 in special tools.

Falstaff
11-02-2010, 8:01 PM
Looks like for less than $150 I can get the action wrench and barrel vise for the 700 from midway. I didnt think one would need to machine threads on on a barrel that already has threads... I'm going to give this a shot as there arent any competent gunsmiths in my area that have lead times of less than 6 months to a year.

bjl333
11-02-2010, 8:04 PM
Looks like for less than $150 I can get the action wrench and barrel vise for the 700 from midway. I didnt think one would need to machine threads on on a barrel that already has threads... I'm going to give this a shot as there arent any competent gunsmiths in my area that have lead times of less than 6 months to a year.

What area is that?

Ranger Jim
11-02-2010, 8:06 PM
Look at Pac-Nor's site, you could send them your barreled action and they'll take care of all that needs to be done and at a reasonable rate. pac-nor.com

mikeinla
11-02-2010, 8:07 PM
A tool named Randall (AR15barrels.com)

kendog4570
11-02-2010, 8:45 PM
Looks like for less than $150 I can get the action wrench and barrel vise for the 700 from midway. I didnt think one would need to machine threads on on a barrel that already has threads... I'm going to give this a shot as there arent any competent gunsmiths in my area that have lead times of less than 6 months to a year.

With a "pre-fit" barrel, you will still need a to adjust the torque shoulder and chamber depth. This work takes a lathe and possibly finish reamer. And considerable skill.
If you are in the SF Bay area, I can do it for you with minimal turn around time.

bjl333
11-02-2010, 8:47 PM
What area is that?

A tool named Randall (AR15barrels.com)

He didn't say where his is at. He can go to www.caprc.com also for Randall (member AR15barrels).

G-forceJunkie
11-02-2010, 10:38 PM
Awesome, give it a shot. Are both your lugs seated evenly? Is the face of your reciever square to the bore? How many thousandth of an inch over the "GO" dimension are you going to ream the chamber? How much of that is going to shrink when you tighten up the barrel? How much clearance are you going to put on the bolt recess? No offense, but your "I'm going to give this a shot" is akin to some guy with a large bed sheet telling a skydiver "Sure, I'll jump out of an airplane, I got the same amount of cloth." You asked a question, it was answered by several people as to the difficulty and skills and equiptment needed, yet your going to ignore all that and "give this a shot." :confused::confused::confused::rolleyes:Looks like for less than $150 I can get the action wrench and barrel vise for the 700 from midway. I didnt think one would need to machine threads on on a barrel that already has threads... I'm going to give this a shot as there arent any competent gunsmiths in my area that have lead times of less than 6 months to a year.

huckberry668
11-02-2010, 10:52 PM
why let the smiths make the $? have a smith take the barrel off for you and get one of these:
http://www.bergarabarrels.com/bergarabarrels/drop-in-barrels/remington-700-rifle-barrels.html

there are also other makes of the same barrel nut switch barrel system.

Fjold
11-03-2010, 6:29 AM
There are two options:

You can get a barrel "short chambered" so that you don't need a lathe. All you need to do is install the barrel and then run a finish chamber reamer into it to cut the chamber for the correct headspace.

You can also get a barrel "long chambered" so that you don't need a reamer. You cut the shoulder and stub on a lathe to get the correct headspace.

kendog4570
11-03-2010, 6:46 AM
There are two options:

You can get a barrel "short chambered" so that you don't need a lathe. All you need to do is install the barrel and then run a finish chamber reamer into it to cut the chamber for the correct headspace.

You can also get a barrel "long chambered" so that you don't need a reamer. You cut the shoulder and stub on a lathe to get the correct headspace.

Even with these type barrels, any smith worth having work on your rifle will still have to measure and calculate all the necessary clearances, and adjust if necessary, to be sure it is fit correctly.

RobG
11-03-2010, 7:29 AM
I want to put a better barrel on my rem 700 30.06. What tools do i need to buy to get that thing off and headspace a new one?

Better than what? A custom barrel is only as good as the gunsmith chambering and fitting it.

kendog4570
11-03-2010, 8:12 AM
why let the smiths make the $? ...


Because the smith knows where, and how hard, to hit it. Thats what his fee is for. It's not exactly rocket sugery, but it isn't everyday knowledge and skill, either.
If you look at all the pricing structures mentioned in this thread, it takes about the same amount of money to get to "X". (New Barrel+ install from Pac Nor, Bergarra's price for the complete barrel, purchase some pre fit bbl and pay a competent smith to fit it, etc.) If you want to do the whole thing yourself, factor in a lot more money for gages and tooling. Plus there is a very good chance a first timer will do something wrong and it's all out the window. The "I cut it twice and it's still too short" syndrome.

bjl333
11-03-2010, 8:27 AM
Most changed a barrel on a Ruger 10/22 and thinks they know how to do other barrels. I don't claim I know how, but I know it involves more then just screwing the barrel on and tightening a nut!!

Falstaff
11-03-2010, 11:49 AM
Awesome, give it a shot. Are both your lugs seated evenly? Is the face of your reciever square to the bore? How many thousandth of an inch over the "GO" dimension are you going to ream the chamber? How much of that is going to shrink when you tighten up the barrel? How much clearance are you going to put on the bolt recess? No offense, but your "I'm going to give this a shot" is akin to some guy with a large bed sheet telling a skydiver "Sure, I'll jump out of an airplane, I got the same amount of cloth." You asked a question, it was answered by several people as to the difficulty and skills and equiptment needed, yet your going to ignore all that and "give this a shot." :confused::confused::confused::rolleyes:

Yup, I asked what tools, and in standard CalGuns fashion the safety monitors come out and tell me how dumb I am and that I should pay someone to do it.;) I learned alot on the Pac-nor site though, I'll prolly get the barrel from them. That being said, this is not rocket science, and near as I can tell all the tools (save the lathe) can be had for far less than the gunsmiths time. Besides, if illiterate tribal nomads in Pakistan can do it, I'm sure I can too!

I didnt ask about the difficulty
I didnt ask about the skill
All I asked was, what tools do I need, just relax, you prolly won't be sittin' next to me at the range when i try her out!

Falstaff
11-03-2010, 11:59 AM
why let the smiths make the $? have a smith take the barrel off for you and get one of these:
http://www.bergarabarrels.com/bergarabarrels/drop-in-barrels/remington-700-rifle-barrels.html

there are also other makes of the same barrel nut switch barrel system.

Wow, thanks for that link, the Bergara barrels are almost as easy to install as a 10-22!

6mmintl
11-03-2010, 12:54 PM
Ill get mine out to the next illeterate tribal neanderthal right away!

Come on guys, read and you will find there is not much error/tolerance to have your barrel properly headspaced, easiest is a takeoff barrel reinstalled and they headspace 75% of the time, others require recoil lugs (different factory lug thicknesses) to be swapped out to properly headspace without machining the barrel shoulder.

Hopefully you will also have correct bolt face clearence, too little and a grain of sand or powder binds up the bolt, too much and you risk buldged and or blown cases.

Savage rifles are the only POPULAR barrel replacement guns out there with takeoff barrel swaps or prechambered barrel from a few top suppliers that are truly "machining free".

They are not 1022 barrel swap easy/equivalents.

G/send it to a competent gunsmith, or invest $7000 for a GOOD lathe, tooling, gages, and a reamer.

Kendog knows what he is talking about and has the equipment, technical skill, and product knowledge locally. Im a customer and I give him the Siskel and Ebert thumbs up.

killshot44
11-03-2010, 1:21 PM
I don't think I'd do it if I couldn't correctly spell probably.

huckberry668
11-03-2010, 2:20 PM
I believe in making marksmanship affordable. The barrel nut system for Rem is the best alternative to get the best of both worlds. The Savage rifles barrel nut concept will work on Remingtons, Winchesters or others.

It's how people 'think' they should be put together. It's about perception, traditional thinking and some commercialism. I've yet to see actual data discrediting the barrel nut system for Rem or Win.

I have a traditionally customed Rem 700 that cost me over $2,600 built for 1000 yard shooting. It has a custom Kreiger barrel, trued action, sleeved bolt, bushed firing pin, McMillan stock and put together by a famous smith. It doesn't shoot any more accurate than my Steven 200 (Savage) action with a McGowen drop-in barrel I put together myself for a total of $800 (with customed stock). All I needed was a Go gauge, $14 barrel wrench, 2 wooden blocks and a vise I borrowed.

It's true my Custom Rem 700 'feels' a lot more refined and better finished. For the life of me I can't feel the 'trued' action, I can't feel the sleeved bolt, I can't feel the bushed firing pin and I'll be hard pressed to tell the differences from the targets printed by both guns. The only way I can tell is by how each gun extracts & ejects the empty cases (yeah, Savage needs work in those areas). It's fine by me since i don't use the Savage for defense or hunting.

Those that like to go high $ by all means. Those with guns that need corrective work like action truing, bolt sleeves, firing pin bushed or McMillan A5 stock with flush cups by all means go for it. I'm simply suggesting to those that don't know or can't afford it that there are other cheaper alternatives that'll allow you to shoot more ammo till you're ready for more bling: Remington 700 with a barrel nut system.

Fjold
11-03-2010, 3:40 PM
Most changed a barrel on a Ruger 10/22 and thinks they know how to do other barrels. I don't claim I know how, but I know it involves more then just screwing the barrel on and tightening a nut!!

Savage - Insert "Go" gauge, screw in barrel and tighten nut.

kendog4570
11-03-2010, 3:56 PM
Savage - Insert "Go" gauge, screw in barrel and tighten nut.

The Remington bolt nose makes it a little trickier, but "The Nut" is pretty foolproof. Dont forget to double check with the no-go.

huckberry668
11-03-2010, 4:16 PM
Northland Shooters Supply (Jim Briggs) also has prefit barrels with barrel nuts for Remington.

http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,25549.0.html

Spdjunkie
11-03-2010, 4:27 PM
IMHO:

Parts Need/Suggested:
- Quality SS Barrel: Bartlein, Kreiger, RockCreek, etc.
- Holland SS Competition/HD Lug

Tools Need for installation:
- Phone to Dial # on this link:
http://rdprecision.net/contact.html

I'd opt to have the Action/Bolt Trued/Squared with the New Tube. One Ragged Hole = :D EVERY Time !!!

Again IMHO:
- If you are going to spend any coin on your Remington 700 might as well get it done right from the get.

Falstaff
11-03-2010, 5:25 PM
I don't think I'd do it if I couldn't correctly spell probably.

Gotta love the spelling bee peanut gallery! BTW looking at some of your posts, you might wanna consider not doing anything with firearms (since you believe spelling := safety/skill/competence in firearms....) Didnt have to look far either, ain't hypocrisy a *****?

RobG
11-03-2010, 6:16 PM
Wow, thanks for that link, the Bergara barrels are almost as easy to install as a 10-22!

Heck, go for it. The video makes it look easy. You aren't getting a true custom barrel/chamber but for simple barrel replacement, it looks pretty decent. Factory Rem 700's are pretty accurate generally so don't be too disappointed if that Bergara does not turn your gun into a "quarter-of-a-gnats-azz" at 100 yds machine:D I think we/the other posters were thinking you were building up a custom gun, not just doing a simple barrel swap/replacement.

huckberry668
11-03-2010, 10:19 PM
IMHO:

Parts Need/Suggested:
- Quality SS Barrel: Bartlein, Kreiger, RockCreek, etc.
- Holland SS Competition/HD Lug

Tools Need for installation:
- Phone to Dial # on this link:
http://rdprecision.net/contact.html

I'd opt to have the Action/Bolt Trued/Squared with the New Tube. One Ragged Hole = :D EVERY Time !!!

Again IMHO:
- If you are going to spend any coin on your Remington 700 might as well get it done right from the get.

Randy, you're taking new projects now? I called you a couple of times a year ago but you didn't have time. do you true Win 70 actions?

Spdjunkie
11-04-2010, 4:49 PM
Randy, you're taking new projects now? I called you a couple of times a year ago but you didn't have time. do you true Win 70 actions?
"huckberry668", I'm not Randy Cain of R&D Precision & am not aware if he is taking on new work. Best to contact Randy directly at the link above or in my signature.

As you already know, R&D Precision = TOP NOTCH !!! :D

jrr
11-04-2010, 6:42 PM
Its actually pretty easy. I built my rem700 from a base ADL in .308 to a precision rifle that will hit a gong at 1000 yards, won an informal match with the precision rifle club guys with it. (And I HIGHLY recommend doing some shooting with those guys, you will learn a TON and have a great time)

You will need a finish reamer, an action wrench, go/no-go gauges and thats it. Now, what you SHOULD have is an action vise to hold the action while you take off the barrel, they are SERIOUSLY on there from the factory. You should also take some actions to true up the action while you have the barrel off. I lapped the bolt and the bolt face only. Brownells sells a kit that is basically a big reamer that allows you to true the action face using hand tools.

If you want to install a larger recoil lug then you will need a lathe, as you will need to move the barrel shoulder back to accomodate the extra width. Otherwise its all do-able with hand tools.

Now, buying all those tools is super expensive, even with the dealer discout I get for my 03ffl. What I did is use this guy:
http://4-dproducts.com/

He will rent you the tools you need for a reasonable price. And if there is a tool you want to use that he doesn't have, he will arrange to buy one and rent it to you, just give him the part number. Thats how I got the bolt face lapping tool.

Good luck! Don't get discouraged. It will cost more than you think, but you will know your rifle inside and out. Oh, and I HIGHLY recommend a gunsmithing book to help out.

Of course, there is also the easy way out.... Look up Hart Barrels. They will do a match grade barrel in any caliber and contour you want, and will also install it and true the action for a very reasonable price. Google them if you feel overwhelmed by the thought of DIY.

Falstaff
11-07-2010, 4:15 PM
Its actually pretty easy. I built my rem700 from a base ADL in .308 to a precision rifle that will hit a gong at 1000 yards, won an informal match with the precision rifle club guys with it. (And I HIGHLY recommend doing some shooting with those guys, you will learn a TON and have a great time)

You will need a finish reamer, an action wrench, go/no-go gauges and thats it. Now, what you SHOULD have is an action vise to hold the action while you take off the barrel, they are SERIOUSLY on there from the factory. You should also take some actions to true up the action while you have the barrel off. I lapped the bolt and the bolt face only. Brownells sells a kit that is basically a big reamer that allows you to true the action face using hand tools.

If you want to install a larger recoil lug then you will need a lathe, as you will need to move the barrel shoulder back to accomodate the extra width. Otherwise its all do-able with hand tools.

Now, buying all those tools is super expensive, even with the dealer discout I get for my 03ffl. What I did is use this guy:
http://4-dproducts.com/

He will rent you the tools you need for a reasonable price. And if there is a tool you want to use that he doesn't have, he will arrange to buy one and rent it to you, just give him the part number. Thats how I got the bolt face lapping tool.

Good luck! Don't get discouraged. It will cost more than you think, but you will know your rifle inside and out. Oh, and I HIGHLY recommend a gunsmithing book to help out.

Of course, there is also the easy way out.... Look up Hart Barrels. They will do a match grade barrel in any caliber and contour you want, and will also install it and true the action for a very reasonable price. Google them if you feel overwhelmed by the thought of DIY.

Thank you!