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Sturnovik
11-02-2010, 12:12 PM
I am about to get my brand new Saiga 47. I really am looking forward to shooting this rifle. I was shopping ammunition to go since they seem to have good prices. I saw this brand called Bear (Brown Bear, Silver etc..). I saw these soft points for target practice, http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/cPath/24_99_123/products_id/625

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/100rds-762x39-brown-bear-lacquer-123gr-fmj-ammo/cName/762x39-fmj-ammo

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/100rds-762x39-golden-bear-123gr-fmj-ammo/cName/762x39-fmj-ammo.

After looking at these I was trying to figure out, the whole gold and laquer differences. What should I feed this new ak system, without having to buy tins of really old surplus? Is wolf better than this and what should I look for?

omgwtfbbq
11-02-2010, 12:16 PM
Saigas are just as hungry as any other AK platform...Feed it and it'll eat.

Brown or Silver Bear are fine, same with surplus. The only issue with Surplus is a lot of it is Corrosive so you have to clean your rifle afterwards, and clean it well. Brown, Silver, or Gold Bear will shoot cleaner and smell better than wolf but the ballistic characteristics (in my experience) are about the same. Just less to clean.

I personally use Wolf but only because that's what the local shop carries for cheap.

PS: As far as laquer/metal case coating difference on brown or silver bear, from what I've experienced it's negligible. Some have said that the laquer coating can build up in the chamber and cause a jam but I've never personally seen it.

Sturnovik
11-02-2010, 12:17 PM
Yea I am looking at 100,250 packs of ammo since I dont get paid for a bit. Simply put, I've shot old Mosins with surplus and alot of the time it didn't ignite. Granted I've had factory domestic ammo do it, but so much more rarely. I'd like to keep it clean but at the same time not buy to expensive of ammo.

paul0660
11-02-2010, 12:19 PM
They are made to run on Wolf or Bear steel cases, the cheapest new stuff there is. Get FMJ or HP, not Soft point, which is for hunting, more expensive, and a heavier bullet.

BKTJ
11-02-2010, 12:20 PM
Try Copes, their $7.95 shipping is hard to beat. The price of shipping usually kills the deals with AIM and Ammo to go. Don't look at the price per box, but the out the door (shipping included) price.


http://www.copesdistributing.net/index.php?cPath=45_129&osCsid=a4b0925e76ffffc9460d59d2881b2fbf

donking
11-02-2010, 12:21 PM
I've shot the Brown and Silver Bear .223 that I bought from the below on-line places. Their shipping costs were less when I was looking. The Brown has a coating on the steel case where the silver is plated. I think the gold is a brass case. I've not shot the Wolf, but heard it is same as Tula which gave me 3 FTF in a box of 500. I had no problems with 1000 rounds of Brown and 500 rounds of Silver. I would think either would be fine for a new Saiga, but have only done it in a .223 AR.


http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39
http://palmettostatearmory.com/762-ammo.php

Sturnovik
11-02-2010, 12:24 PM
Does the coating and plating make a big difference?

omgwtfbbq
11-02-2010, 12:25 PM
Personally out of about 1500 rnds of Wolf (mostly military classic 123gr HP) I've had only one FTF and it was the first rnd of I ever tried to shoot with the rifle. I attributed it to a light hammer strike rather than the ammo itself.

Coating Vs. plating hasn't ever affected my rifle or my shooting. Some have claimed jams caused by the coating fowling the chamber but I've never seen it myself.

Milsurps
11-02-2010, 12:25 PM
Of the three you listed... SilverBear FTW. I've used it in 7.62x39, 7.62x54r & .223 always with good results. "Old surplus" is corrosive so clean your new toy VERY well.
I would NOT recommend Wolf in any shape or form.

YMMV

Bug Splat
11-02-2010, 12:57 PM
I have had problem with the older lacquer coated wolf ammo in 223. Gummed up my chamber and was a ***** to get out. Most speculate this is due to the 223 straighter case walls which rub the lacquer off. That was the last lacquer ammo I ever bought. The poly, zinc and copper rounds are great. Never had a problem with them. I refuse to run corrosive ammo through my guns. I'll pay the extra money to not have to clean my gun religiously after every range trip. Not worth it at all.

Right now I'm buying Wolf Military classic 124gr HP. The MC rounds are said to use a different and much better bullet than the black box. Midway has/had them onsale for $4.99 a box.

mif_slim
11-02-2010, 1:03 PM
Walmart is the best place so far I can think of. 5.41 after tax. comes out to 27.05 for 100rd. beats the 10 dollar shipping. ;)

stix213
11-02-2010, 1:52 PM
Saiga 7.62x39 won't care about the differences between the cases. Bear ammo brand seems a little better to me than Wolf, but both are good to go. I shoot mostly a mix of brown and silver bear, and never had a single problem. Zero malfunctions after about 3500 rounds down the pipe.

I just avoid corrosive surplus because who the hell wants the gun to tell you when to clean it?

Saiga 7.62x39 is bad *** by the way, good choice.

Cali4nia_AR
11-02-2010, 3:17 PM
I got a Saiga 7.62 also and I shoot Yugo Surplus(Very Corrosive). Online you can find it for as low as $3.49 20rds. You will have to put in some elbow grease to get your firearm clean afterwards but I enjoy the cleaning process.

Sturnovik
11-02-2010, 3:25 PM
Yea I'm probably going to just pick up some of the silver ones in FMJ. They look like a good deal. And yes I was glad I went with this one over the .308. As much as I loved how the .308 barrel wasn't a lot longer, its already a rough round, and with a shorter barrel than the one I picked up, then it would kick even harder.

ir0nclash86
11-02-2010, 3:39 PM
http://ammoman.com/index.htm

Hard to beat ammoman.com prices for $219/1k shipped. There were some websites that did $209 in the Commercial Sales section of this forum.

2DoorImpala
11-02-2010, 5:03 PM
Just got several boxes of herters for 3.99 a box of 20 at cabelas, spend $100 bucks or more and its free shipping and no tax which sweetens the deal.

pyro3k2
11-02-2010, 7:26 PM
it's an AK, it was designed to shoot steel case corrosive ammo. Buy what ever is cheapest and shoot it. All you really need is a garden hose and a few minutes to neaturalize the salts from the corrosive ammo and some WD-40 or break free to displace the water.

Sturnovik
11-02-2010, 8:53 PM
it's an AK, it was designed to shoot steel case corrosive ammo. Buy what ever is cheapest and shoot it. All you really need is a garden hose and a few minutes to neaturalize the salts from the corrosive ammo and some WD-40 or break free to displace the water.

I'm going to go for the silver and gold bear ones. I realize this thing will eat just about any ammo I feed it but I dont want to have to go to deep into cleaning and corrosive will be a pain to clean I'm sure.

zfields
11-02-2010, 9:33 PM
Just got several boxes of herters for 3.99 a box of 20 at cabelas, spend $100 bucks or more and its free shipping and no tax which sweetens the deal.

did the same.

ir0nclash86
11-02-2010, 9:34 PM
Just got several boxes of herters for 3.99 a box of 20 at cabelas, spend $100 bucks or more and its free shipping and no tax which sweetens the deal.

How good is Herters ammo?

zfields
11-02-2010, 9:39 PM
How good is Herters ammo?

its repackaged Uly.

I like Uly a lot, more so then golden tiger and silver bear personaly.

Clean, and goes bang.

cmaher55
11-02-2010, 9:41 PM
I used to use the laquered cased ammo for years (since 1987) but it does gum up the chamber really good and makes a mess. I switched to the silver bear about 5 years ago and it is worth the little extra money. Works really well in my AK and runs very clean. I only shoot the silver bear in my Mosins also. I will not use any laquered cased ammo in any of my guns anymore. You are at the right place with ammunition to go. Regards