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SIGman Freud
11-01-2010, 4:20 PM
Hey all:

I'm intrigued by this AK-inspired rifle design originally out of the former Czechoslovakia. It seems that it's promise and potential are under-utilized or under-appreciated in this forum (or have I totally forgotten how to use the search function here?). Anyhow, are there any owners of the vz58? If so, what are your impressions, good or bad? Please share!

1forall
11-01-2010, 6:58 PM
I'm your Huckleberry...j/k. I bought one about a year ago, haven't shoot it yet but I can honestly say it seems better constructed than any Kalashnikov I've seen. I've heard only good things about it so far, but I'll let you know how it performs after the Shoot & Q.

SIGman Freud
11-01-2010, 7:32 PM
Ok, after 24+ views, only 1forall responds? Is there only 1 owner (and even that is questionable since he hasn't shot his yet)? :D

Are there more owners of the Lancaster Arms and Henderson Defense AK's than there are vz 58's? :confused:

Cali-Shooter
11-01-2010, 7:32 PM
I'd get one, but I don't have any hi-caps for it, plus the magazines it takes are separate from AK ones.
Other than that, I'd say that the VZ-58 is an awesomely sexy AK variant :30:

1forall
11-01-2010, 8:06 PM
[QUOTE=SIGman Freud]Ok, after 24+ views, only 1forall responds? Is there only 1 owner (and even that is questionable since he hasn't shot his yet)? :D

Quick picshttp://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww296/jmeezy_photos/f0ee22e7.jpghttp://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww296/jmeezy_photos/853e7cc8.jpghttp://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww296/jmeezy_photos/f32c24ff.jpg

1988
11-01-2010, 9:23 PM
Just a couple of older threads:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=328628

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=294054

No, VZ.58 is not an AK.

SIGman Freud
11-01-2010, 10:12 PM
[QUOTE=SIGman Freud]Ok, after 24+ views, only 1forall responds? Is there only 1 owner (and even that is questionable since he hasn't shot his yet)? :D

Quick picshttp://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww296/jmeezy_photos/f0ee22e7.jpghttp://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww296/jmeezy_photos/853e7cc8.jpghttp://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww296/jmeezy_photos/f32c24ff.jpg

Now THAT is a kick *** vz! I hate to admit this:mad: but the thing actually looks better with a 10-round mag. More balanced, aesthetically, anyways.

It appears that SA vz. 58 is discontinued but that CZ-USA is offering the model in the version you have and the standard, wood-impregnated stock. Are these in fact the exact same thing, or are the SA versions (presumably, the mothership varieties) "real" in the sense that they are 100% Czech made (and not a good parts build)?

SIGman Freud
11-01-2010, 10:18 PM
Just a couple of older threads:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=328628

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=294054

No, VZ.58 is not an AK.

Yeah, I know it's not an AK. I was made aware of that a while back, actually.

Thanks for the links!

caldude
11-02-2010, 6:55 AM
I have one, and I've shot it. It's fairly accurate, but I'll need some kind of optic to bring out it's best. The only problem I have with it is that the Length of Pull is a bit too short for me. Czechpoint is probably your best bet for guns and accessories, I believe they supplied CZ-USA. The Century guns I've heard are cobbled together.

guns4life
11-02-2010, 7:06 AM
I have a complete kit(not built) if you're interested in building one OP... PM me if you'd like more details.

Homebuddy
11-02-2010, 2:07 PM
Here's mine. It started life as a military classic. It's soft shooting. reliable and fairly accurate with Russian ammo:
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z382/Pogi42/Myguncollection021-1.jpg

SIGman Freud
11-04-2010, 10:29 PM
Here's mine. It started life as a military classic. It's soft shooting. reliable and fairly accurate with Russian ammo:
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z382/Pogi42/Myguncollection021-1.jpg

Very clean looking. What are the optics?

Homebuddy
11-05-2010, 12:27 PM
It's a primary arms micro-dot.

dshortone
11-05-2010, 10:15 PM
I love love love love mine!!! I'll get some pics up for you here...

I put on the Troy Industries battlerail. It heats up a lot faster than a wood or plastic stock, but is very functional, and with gloves is tolerable. It also helps to keep in mind how hot the barrel is truly getting. Mine shoots minute of milk jug at about 150-200 yards.

SIGman Freud
11-05-2010, 10:48 PM
It's a primary arms micro-dot.

By the way, is your vz comfortable to shoot? It seems like there might be some sharp edges behind the grip area (before the stock).

SIGman Freud
11-05-2010, 10:49 PM
I love love love love mine!!! I'll get some pics up for you here...

I put on the Troy Industries battlerail. It heats up a lot faster than a wood or plastic stock, but is very functional, and with gloves is tolerable. It also helps to keep in mind how hot the barrel is truly getting. Mine shoots minute of milk jug at about 150-200 yards.

:popcorn:

Martan
11-05-2010, 11:16 PM
Hi,
I'm from former Czechoslovakia and Vz.58 was and still is a service weapon of our armed forces (currently Czech republic and Slovakia both). I had a chance to shoot it, A LOT, when I was in the military about 16-17 years ago. All I can tell you from my own experience is that it is very accurate, VERY reliable weapon. It's actually a better gun in many (if not all) aspects than Kalashnikov, just not as known and popular around the world since this weapon hasn't seen as much action as AK47. It's a completely different weapon than AK and it really has nothing in common with it other than ammo it shoots.
I myself might buy one, just out of nostalgic moods once in a while :-). But I would keep it in original stage with impregnated wood stock and other parts. It was really fun to shoot it full auto.
The paratroopers (green berets) in the barracks next to ours had the same gun with collapsible stock and that was always a treat to handle.

I remember we all had to learn to disassemble and put back together this gun in really short time, they would almost torture us until we all got it in certain time - I don't mean to brag, but I held a record :-), I wish I remembered how many seconds that was.
Maaaaan, this just keeps bringing back the memories.....
Buy one, you won't be disappointed, just my 2 cents.

Martan
11-05-2010, 11:30 PM
Just in case you're interested, SA is short for Samopal, the full name of this sub-machine gun is Samopal Vzor 58, I guess they made it short for US and international market (SA Vz.58)
Samopal in full exact translation means Samo - self and pal - shoot, it's just a czech or slovakian word for sub-machine gun (or any full auto weapon for that matter)
Word vzor (short vz.) means model, so vz.58 means model 1958.

I personally like it a lot more with 30 round magazine, it just looks too crippled with anything else.

23 Blast
11-05-2010, 11:34 PM
Are they still available in CA? I rember Turners had them about a year ago, but they've stopped selling them since. If I hadn't already bought a Mini 30, I might be in the market for one of these.

As far as similarity to an AK: while they look sort of the same to the untrained eye, the action is quite different from a Kalashnikov. If anything, the short-stroke piston action it employs is closer to an SKS than to an AK.

Martan
11-05-2010, 11:44 PM
Are they still available in CA?

Buds could ship it right?
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/53562
It's in stock, but 30 round mag would be a problem, perhaps you could work it out with them?

Homebuddy
11-06-2010, 11:40 AM
By the way, is your vz comfortable to shoot? It seems like there might be some sharp edges behind the grip area (before the stock).

That rough spot you are referring to could be the sling attachment. It's out of the way when shooting so it doesn't bother me.

sd1023x
11-06-2010, 12:14 PM
Seems like the Afghani's might not like their new AMD's or VZ's.

This article is about the AMD, but the VZ report is coming soon. Interesting read.

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/26/one-poor-choice-in-arming-the-afghans-and-its-repercussions/

Not trying to slam, but its always interesting to read how weapons are doing in combat and what issues they run into.

1forall
11-10-2010, 1:55 AM
Ok...finally took it out and shoot it at the TTS on Sunday. It was very fun to shoot and plenty accurate with the iron sights(IMO) out to about 175 yards, which was as far as I could go at the range I was on. The fun factor was definitely off the chart, easily the funnest to shoot of my rifles. It did fail to go into battery a few times while allowing another person to shoot it, but I attribute that to two factors. One, I did not oil it right before I shoot it and 2, the guy was riding the charging handle instead of just releasing it. So after oiling it and instructing the shooter to rack and let fly it performed flawless. Another thing is it is very easy to clean which is also a + and top loading with those stripper clips will take some getting use to. I hope this review helps.

-hanko
11-10-2010, 6:35 AM
The Century guns I've heard are cobbled together.
Century guns are cobbled at the very least, they can be far worse.

Czech guns are generally perfect, like Israeli stuff.

Get it.

-hanko

BroncoBob
11-10-2010, 6:51 AM
I always liked the VZ 58 with the wood furniture

dshortone
03-29-2011, 10:43 PM
Long overdue, but here it is...

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/dshortone/DSCF0387.jpg

Scratch705
03-29-2011, 10:56 PM
Seems like the Afghani's might not like their new AMD's or VZ's.

This article is about the AMD, but the VZ report is coming soon. Interesting read.

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/26/one-poor-choice-in-arming-the-afghans-and-its-repercussions/

Not trying to slam, but its always interesting to read how weapons are doing in combat and what issues they run into.

good read, too bad the second part is still not up even after 5 months....

ZX-10R
03-30-2011, 7:00 AM
Was looking into one as well a few weeks back. Not to many write ups in AK forums for this gun. After amusing myself I just said, huh. If I could find one off the the shelf to fondle I would be all over it but alas.

tdc57
03-30-2011, 7:58 AM
The mighty vz 58… I do like mine, I’ve had it for about 2 years..

Here’s some different looks of vz 58, one of these is mine, for what its worth. ;)

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/m8hdvd-1.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/Page-6.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/P10801391280x720.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/VZ58-115-L-1.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/288y2k5.jpg

tdc57
03-30-2011, 7:58 AM
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/6af4bede22a9c4087bca446a7dad197e390b6318.jpg

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/VZ58-4-1.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/VZ58-01-1.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/vz58_001.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/Projects/IMGP3288_1.jpg