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tboyer
10-29-2010, 1:40 AM
As posted on the pinkpistols-politics yahoo group


No, it's not an infomercial. It -is- however some first rate
research by noted 2A attorney Dace Hardy also blogger of
record of "Of Arms and the Law."

Hardy got snakebit, literally, and while recovering has
started looking at some of the 1930's memos and writings
as the "gub-ment" mused on bigger and better forms of gun
control.

The first item Hardy looks at is correspondence between
Homer Cummings who was attorney general and everyone's
favorite FBI director and crossdresser, J Edger Hoover.

http://tinyurl.com/2e4rz3y

Apparently the A.G. and FBI Director are hyperventilating
and suffering periods of the vapours about Smith and
Wesson working on the <gulp> .357 Magnum, -obviously-
designed to penetrate body armor. Discussion between
both ensues on restricting firearms to the great unwashed.

To wit:

' There are also AG memos on how to push more gun
control. The tools are pretty much what they were
decades later. Send press releases to all newspaper
editors. Get radio interviews. Rope in the League
of Women Voters and the International Assn of Chiefs
of Police. Appeal to labor unions by tipping them
off that big corporations own full autos and tear
gas guns, presumably for use against strikers.

' The big push was to be for national handgun
registration. The original form of the NFA 1934
had taxed and thus registered not only full autos
and short barrels, but also pistols. Congress took
pistols out, and Cummings' people had drafted another
bill to put pistols back in.'

Your government at work. But wait! There's more!

Hardy found in looking into the etiology of NFA '34
some "stretegery" on how to float the Act as a method
to registration as a national security matter, in that
in times of national emergency, the "gub-ment" would
know where they were ...uh...in case they needed them.

http://tinyurl.com/283zw42

They were also looking at the Act as a method to move
the tendrils of the congressional power to regulate
interstate commerce down to the individual.

nicki
10-29-2010, 1:59 AM
If the original NFA was to go after handguns too, the restrictions on SBRs and SBSs now make sense sort of.

Don't know if we got records, but when they were putting this crap together probably handguns were the real target of the NFA and SBRs and SBSs got added to the mix to prevent people from making "concealable arms" from long arms.

Seems they were busy working on stripping the American people of their ability to stand up with equal force to the government.

Reasearch such as this may open the door for future court challenges.

Nicki

CCWFacts
10-29-2010, 2:39 AM
Seems they were busy working on stripping the American people of their ability to stand up with equal force to the government.

FDR's vision was to remake America as some kind of socialist paradise, and gun control / registration / disarmament was a big part of that. It does have a connection to his other schemes of banning gold, creating Social Security and welfare and an enormous expansion of the Federal government and law enforcement. FDR was our only banana republic style "president for life", being elected four times. Our current president is very close to FDR in his views, more so than any other president after FDR.

nazgulnarsil
10-29-2010, 4:44 AM
for people who don't know much about the FDR administration and how it gave birth to our modern state I highly recommend this book:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nBD1uddfL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Three-New-Deals-Reflections-Roosevelts/dp/0312427433/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288352602&sr=1-1

yellowfin
10-29-2010, 5:48 AM
FDR's vision was to remake America as some kind of socialist paradise, and gun control / registration / disarmament was a big part of that. It does have a connection to his other schemes of banning gold, creating Social Security and welfare and an enormous expansion of the Federal government and law enforcement. FDR was our only banana republic style "president for life", being elected four times. Our current president is very close to FDR in his views, more so than any other president after FDR.Yet none of our previous presidents had the initiative or sufficient dislike for FDR's nonsense to repeal it.

BobB35
10-29-2010, 6:32 AM
Yet none of our previous presidents had the initiative or sufficient dislike for FDR's nonsense to repeal it.

You would need more than initiative to get rid of the mess FDR created. You would have needed BOTH houses of congress and a Supreme court in your pocket. On top of that a whole lot of chutzpa. Bush II had a lot of the former and none of the latter. Ergo we are where we are, growing government leading to the end of the cycle. It is all over except the end game. Should be interesting, becasue it looks like it is happening quicker and quicker.

edwardm
10-29-2010, 7:44 AM
A

The first item Hardy looks at is correspondence between
Homer Cummings who was attorney general and everyone's
favorite FBI director and crossdresser, J Edger Hoover.

http://tinyurl.com/2e4rz3y

Apparently the A.G. and FBI Director are hyperventilating
and suffering periods of the vapours about Smith and
Wesson working on the <gulp> .357 Magnum, -obviously-
designed to penetrate body armor. Discussion between
both ensues on restricting firearms to the great unwashed.



Interesting piece of government-generated FUD about the 357. Colt's 38 Super was already able to penetrate the rudimentary ballistic vests of the day, and the 357 was S&W's response to the 38 Super. So in a manner of speaking, it was designed to keep up with Colt's offering, which meant it should be able to penetrate body armor.

Problem is, body armor was more commonly worn by the criminal element than by law enforcement. Several departments in different cities were shown/offered ballistic vests in the very early 30's and all rejected them on a departmental level.

Hoover really was an evil SOB.

Scarecrow Repair
10-29-2010, 12:46 PM
The most common refrain I see is that FDR prolonged the depression with all his socialist programs. Yet he didn't come into office until 3.5 years after the 1929 stock crash ... which sure implies Hoover was the one who started the prolonging and FDR merely continued it.

The only moral of the story I can see is that the 1929 downturn was the first one after government started monkeying with the economy, presumably because they had learned the wrong lessons from the post WW I 1920 recession. But to blame the 1930s on FDR sure seems opportunistic to me.

Hoover had the reins for 3.5 years and it just got worse, yet everyone wants to ignore that. I think it must be because conservatives want to blame FDR and because liberals don't want FDR and Hoover to look equally inept.

510dat
10-29-2010, 4:49 PM
The most common refrain I see is that FDR prolonged the depression with all his socialist programs. Yet he didn't come into office until 3.5 years after the 1929 stock crash ... which sure implies Hoover was the one who started the prolonging and FDR merely continued it.

The only moral of the story I can see is that the 1929 downturn was the first one after government started monkeying with the economy, presumably because they had learned the wrong lessons from the post WW I 1920 recession. But to blame the 1930s on FDR sure seems opportunistic to me.

Hoover had the reins for 3.5 years and it just got worse, yet everyone wants to ignore that. I think it must be because conservatives want to blame FDR and because liberals don't want FDR and Hoover to look equally inept.

The 1929 depression started out almost exactly the same way that the 2009 depression started; an economic (and especially real estate) bubble fueled by artificially low interest rates that encouraged over-expansion of production capacity. When the bubble popped, lots of people got laid off and investment went to almost nil.

It took the economy several years to start recovering, and then FDR was elected, began tinkering, and the economy went right back into the toilet.

If it wasn't for FDR, the Great Depression would have been 3-4 years long, instead of the eight or nine years that it wound up as.

In short, FDR took advantage of a bad situation, and used that situation to grow the government powers to unprecedented levels. In order to maintain that power, he made sure the economy stayed bad, ensuring that he would continue to grow the government. As long as the economy was spiraling, Joe Voter was happy to get a few scraps from the New Deal, and voted to continue the scraps in exchange for the keys to his liberty. Had it recovered sooner, Mr. Voter would have laughed at what FDR had to offer.

Sound familiar?