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Skidmark
10-26-2010, 9:59 AM
After wading through untold layers of paperwork, a new gun shop opens in Sunnyvale, but some locals then complain to the City Council that they don't want their schoolchildren to "learn" about guns. Odd, how the parents and concerned citizens have no problems with the Big 5 store nearby (which sells guns), nor the many porno shops and liquor stores (which peddle vices known to harm children).

SF Chronicle link:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/inthepeninsula/detail?entry_id=75299

Penninsula Press article:

http://www.penipress.com/2010/10/07/sunnyvale-gun-store-opens-near-schools/

IGOTDIRT4U
10-26-2010, 10:10 AM
Ostriches.

Steyr_223
10-26-2010, 10:32 AM
How Ignorant people respond.


"“I feel as if having [a gun store] in close proximity to many schools is a danger,” Sunnyvale Elementary School teacher Gina Lermont told the City Council last week. “I’m not sure if I want to educate my second graders on something like gun safety.”

Pooja Sampat, a Sunnyvale resident and mother of young children, questioned why the city planning commission had not instituted additional safeguards to separate a firearms business from residential areas.

“As a city council, would it be at all forgivable if somebody purchased a gun from there and walked down to one of the local elementary schools and shot?” an emotional Sampat said."

Steyr_223
10-26-2010, 10:33 AM
How Educated people respond.


Councilman Ron Swegles was quick to point out that numerous safeguards exist, including a 10-day waiting period on gun purchases as well as local and federal background checks.

The principal of nearby Sunnyvale Christian School, Leanna Christie, said she believes many of the fears are overblown.

“Most parents don’t walk their kids past the store. They drive them to school,” she said.

Although Sunnyvale Christian School is 100 yards down the street, Christie said she has relatively few reservations about the store’s opening. “While we weren’t notified until the signs went up, we want to be good neighbors. And honestly, people carry guns. That’s just the reality. We’re more concerned that there’s no crosswalk for the kids to get to school safely.”

GrayWolf09
10-26-2010, 10:36 AM
There appear to be some familiar names among the commentators. So far not one cogent argument against the place. I may have to go in there and buy something if this keeps up.;)

Havoc70
10-26-2010, 10:36 AM
This bit rocks:

The principal of nearby Sunnyvale Christian School, Leanna Christie, said she believes many of the fears are overblown.

“Most parents don’t walk their kids past the store. They drive them to school,” she said.

Although Sunnyvale Christian School is 100 yards down the street, Christie said she has relatively few reservations about the store’s opening. “While we weren’t notified until the signs went up, we want to be good neighbors. And honestly, people carry guns. That’s just the reality. We’re more concerned that there’s no crosswalk for the kids to get to school safely.”

Peter.Steele
10-26-2010, 10:36 AM
Leanna Christie is my new hero for the day.

Robidouxs
10-26-2010, 10:37 AM
Ah the Bay Area, one thing I don't miss about being in San Luis Obispo.

Havoc70
10-26-2010, 10:42 AM
How Ignorant people respond.


“I feel as if having [a gun store] in close proximity to many schools is a danger,” Sunnyvale Elementary School teacher Gina Lermont told the City Council last week. “I’m not sure if I want to educate my second graders on something like gun safety.”


I don't know, I kind of see a correlation here: second amendment, second grade. Works for me :).

1BigPea
10-26-2010, 10:44 AM
I don't know, I kind of see a correlation here: second amendment, second grade. Works for me :).


Ha...I was thinking the same thing.

Crazy she doesn't want to teach them about gun safety...what a line!

IGOTDIRT4U
10-26-2010, 10:47 AM
This bit rocks:

Yeah, she's got her head screwed on straight. And it looks like she has REAL priorities when it comes to the kids.

Leave it to the public school educators, probably products o fthe same system, to be so indoctrinated to be anti-gun that they can't even fathom the concept of having a BoR guaranteed item be anywhere near them. I wonder if they would object to a library. Free speech is guaranteed, but libraries contain items not suitable for children, as well.

wash
10-26-2010, 10:57 AM
I wonder why this became news now?

I'm sure the author was surprised when they interviewed the head of the closest school and were told that a crosswalk is a bigger issue.

There were people upset about this at the city council meeting but they didn't understand anything about how guns are bought and sold, the second amendment, the first amendment or even privacy rights. They were all reactionary and mostly came from places like India where you can sell guns to a second grader...

gobler
10-26-2010, 11:43 AM
:mad: This stuff really chaffs my hide. They are peeing on themselves over a gun shop opening a mile away and have concerns that "the children may learn about guns" ? Yet, no backlash on teaching elementary school kids the joy of same sex..sex or giving birth control out or even letting girls get abortions without even notifying the parents. THIS is why we need to kill off public education being connected to anything other then local (city) government. One more reason to home school if you cannot afford to or choose not to use privet schools.

Robidouxs
10-26-2010, 11:44 AM
Is this new gunshop going in near where the old Circuit City was open, or near the old Hollywood Video on Hollenbeck, or further down the road near the Taco Bell off of South Bernardo?

Munk
10-26-2010, 11:49 AM
We’re more concerned that there’s no crosswalk for the kids to get to school safely.

I wonder.... Would the parents feel the same if the gun store sponsored the installation of the necessary crosswalk? After all, these guys care about the community, and they're thinking about the children.

(I know the NIMBY's would still want it gone lol)

bwiese
10-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Immediately nearby are a porno shop and a strip club, plus a liquor store/fast mart. There have been fights and a shooting at the strip club.

Some of the people complaining at the city council meeting seemed to be more aggrieved by the fact that the gun store cheerfully advertised its status in large lettering than by its actuall selling of guns.

joedogboy
10-26-2010, 12:27 PM
To Gina Lermont: Please never publicly identify yourself as a teacher when you make stupid comments that are phobic and clearly designed to restrict the rights of citizens. It is demeaning to the profession.
If you are concerned about your ability to teach your students about firearms safety, contact the NRA about the "Eddy Eagle" program.
If you don't wish to do that, please take a day off and schedule me to substitute for your class, and I will teach them what they need to know.

CharAznable
10-26-2010, 12:38 PM
I wonder why none of these articles are mentioning the pro-store speakers that showed up at the same meeting?

sniper5
10-26-2010, 12:50 PM
My wife is a first grade teacher:

Robidouxs
10-26-2010, 12:51 PM
Immediately nearby are a porno shop and a strip club, plus a liquor store/fast mart. There have been fights and a shooting at the strip club.

Some of the people complaining at the city council meeting seemed to be more aggrieved by the fact that the gun store cheerfully advertised its status in large lettering than by its actuall selling of guns.

So I take it is by Hipphuggers? I haven't been up in the area recently and I running off of memory. The only other strip clubs in the area would be near the intersection of Lawrence Expressway and El Camino Real across from the Indian themed shopping center and Cheetas Gentleman's club by Fry's Electronics.

bwiese
10-26-2010, 12:58 PM
So I take it is by Hipphuggers? I haven't been up in the area recently and I running off of memory.

Roger that.

Robidouxs
10-26-2010, 12:59 PM
My wife is a first grade teacher:

I met a teacher here in SLO who is into guns; break the system and stigma.

Robidouxs
10-26-2010, 1:00 PM
Roger that.

Thank you. Does this shop appear to be Calguns friendly or at least aware of the group?

oni.dori
10-26-2010, 1:02 PM
don't want their schoolchildren to "learn" about guns.[/url]

Then they better just lock their children in their rooms, block all windows, and keep them from any kind of contact or media from the outside world or persons; because there is almost not a single book, magazine, newspaper, movie, or even childrens programming (GI Joe, Transformers, or any other "action/sci-fi" childrens cartoon) that doesn't somehow feature a gun in some light. These ignoramus' need to realize that guns are a part of reality, and are not the root of all evil, as they have conned themselves in to believing it is. Furthermore, they also need to realize that ignoring them will not make them, or the "bad guys" they claim have them, go away, and create some false happy-happy rainbows hippie utopia wonder-world they believe they exist in.

ArmsTech
10-26-2010, 1:18 PM
Its a shame because I grew up around this area and most people were conservative but because of the tech boom the demographics have changed greatly around here. Half of these "anti-gun" people came from other countries and have no concept of the BOR or why the first shots at Lexington were fired. The other half come from "big city" east coast states and buy into the nanny state mentality.

My parents were also immigrants and kind of did not understand the American gun culture but I did educate them. They still refuse to own guns.

Only thing we can do is educate the younger generations because most of these people are very set in their ways till something bad happens to them. Then they MAY look at the option of owning a firearm.

MP301
10-26-2010, 1:22 PM
How Educatedintelligent people respond.

Councilman Ron Swegles was quick to point out that numerous safeguards exist, including a 10-day waiting period on gun purchases as well as local and federal background checks.

The principal of nearby Sunnyvale Christian School, Leanna Christie, said she believes many of the fears are overblown.

“Most parents don’t walk their kids past the store. They drive them to school,” she said.

Although Sunnyvale Christian School is 100 yards down the street, Christie said she has relatively few reservations about the store’s opening. “While we weren’t notified until the signs went up, we want to be good neighbors. And honestly, people carry guns. That’s just the reality. We’re more concerned that there’s no crosswalk for the kids to get to school safely.”

I fixed it for you. Educated does not necessarily mean intelligent. There are some really stupid educated people in this world

oni.dori
10-26-2010, 1:24 PM
The problem with the public schools is that they are not so much about education as they are about indoctrination. Teachers without thoughts telling their students what they've been told to tell them.

Besides the fact that most likely she couldn't educate anyone about gun safety except saying "guns kill people", refusing to educate while working in an educational institution is what gets me.

From what I understand, wasn't it a private Christian school referred to in the article, or was there more than one mentioned?

Its a shame because I grew up around this area and most people were conservative but because of the tech boom the demographics have changed greatly around here. Half of these "anti-gun" people came from other countries and have no concept of the BOR or why the first shots at Lexington were fired. The other half come from "big city" east coast states and buy into the nanny state mentality.

My parents were also immigrants and kind of did not understand the American gun culture but I did educate them. They still refuse to own guns.

Only thing we can do is educate the younger generations because most of these people are very set in their ways till something bad happens to them. Then they MAY look at the option of owning a firearm.

Personally, I have noticed a huge surge in the younger generation's interest in firearms and 2A rights (yes, partially from video games), and seeking proper education on the subject, even if they have to self-educate because their parents are against firearms.

Robidouxs
10-26-2010, 1:28 PM
Only thing we can do is educate the younger generations because most of these people are very set in their ways till something bad happens to them. Then they MAY look at the option of owning a firearm.

I have something I am generating which will hopefully address this issue on a macro level across the entire state. I just need to finish it up and get the go ahead. Stay tuned!

Havoc70
10-26-2010, 1:29 PM
From what I understand, wasn't it a private Christian school referred to in the article, or was there more than one mentioned?



Personally, I have noticed a huge surge in the younger generation's interest in firearms and 2A rights (yes, partially from video games), and seeking proper education on the subject, even if they have to self-educate because their parents are against firearms.

There are three schools in the vicinity from what I understand by reading. The public school teacher was the one moaning about it, the private school principal was cool about it.

wash
10-26-2010, 1:38 PM
Thank you. Does this shop appear to be Calguns friendly or at least aware of the group?
They are very friendly and quite aware of Calguns.

Probably not a lot of FUD either, the owner seems very up to date on Bullet buttons and other legal issues.

Robidouxs
10-26-2010, 2:36 PM
They are very friendly and quite aware of Calguns.

Probably not a lot of FUD either, the owner seems very up to date on Bullet buttons and other legal issues.

Sweet, looks like I have a new shop to visit when I am in town to see my folks and brother!

jdberger
10-26-2010, 2:43 PM
For those that weren't aware - Calgunners were present and counted at that City Council meeting (the author fails to mention that it was a month ago).

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5026989#post5026989

Skidmark
10-26-2010, 2:47 PM
For those that weren't aware - Calgunners were present and counted at that City Council meeting (the author fails to mention that it was a month ago).

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5026989#post5026989

Thanks, I totally missed that - this would have been appropriate as an addition to that thread. I look forward to stopping by the new shop when I'm next down on that area.

nicki
10-26-2010, 5:00 PM
.After the meeting I actually talked with our opponents. All of our opponents were immigrants. In their home countries they don't have a gun culture, so what we have are people that have no understanding of our gun culture.

Of course their arguments are always about the children, because all they have to make an argument on are their fears.

For what it is worth, we aren't the only group whom the NIMBY's were out in full force. A pair of anti marijuana doctors were there to champion against dispensaries. They were upset that San Jose already has 80 dispensaries and don't want them spreading to Sunnyvalle.

It was interesting that they said how dangerous marijuana was and how people could over dose and die. (reported overdose deaths so far 0).

Also they talked about how Marinol was readily available. They neglected to mention that patient cost for a average months supply is roughly 700 dollars. Not exactly affordable.

The council also was also having people complaining about their neighbors having too many cars on their own property and heaven forbid if they actually work on them.

Guess some Sunnyvalle residents suffer from Nanny Authoritarian Statism. Good thing we were there, but the battle is far from over.

This meeting shows why we need to have local people who can attend these meetings and let our concerns be heard.

Nicki

There was no one there speaking for multiple car owners or for

Texas Boy
10-26-2010, 9:54 PM
Amazing - looking at a google map, the strip club appears much more prominent and just as close to the schools. In fact, you can find just about anything on that stretch of El Camino. And besides, a BG couldn't be bothered with purchasing a gun somewhere else and then driving to the school.

BTW - here is the store's web site. Looks to be a very black rifle friendly place - http://www.usfirearmsco.com/index.shtml

dantodd
10-26-2010, 10:04 PM
Immediately nearby are a porno shop and a strip club, plus a liquor store/fast mart.

Sounds like a party.

armandolo
10-27-2010, 9:46 AM
... "“I feel as if having [a gun store] in close proximity to many schools is a danger,” Sunnyvale Elementary School teacher Gina Lermont told the City Council last week. “I’m not sure if I want to educate my second graders on something like gun safety.”... "

Of course not! You should teach them about Alcohol safety and Prostitution.

GrizzlyGuy
10-27-2010, 9:54 AM
They are very friendly and quite aware of Calguns.

Probably not a lot of FUD either, the owner seems very up to date on Bullet buttons and other legal issues.

That's good. Hopefully they are informing all of their customers about the GFSZ laws (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Gun_Free_School_Zones), and that all firearms need to be in locked containers while on the way to and from their store (trigger locks not sufficient). I wouldn't put it past one of the hysterical local antis like Pooja Sampat to try and pull off a hidden camera sting operation of some sorts.