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XD45
10-20-2010, 10:17 PM
Can we get a voter guide going for the upcoming elections? Some of us already have mail-in ballots and are ready to vote in favor of our gun rights in every category (less obvious ones like judicial etc..).

Window_Seat
10-20-2010, 11:31 PM
Can we get a voter guide going for the upcoming elections? Some of us already have mail-in ballots and are ready to vote in favor of our gun rights in every category (less obvious ones like judicial etc..).

From the CGF Website (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/about/faq/46-what-is-cgf)

Here is what we can't do:

(1) We can't lobby as the Foundation. What Calgunners do on their own time and what is advocated by NRA and others is not legislative activity sponsored by the Calguns Foundation.
(2) We can't make statements in any campaign for a public office. The Calguns Foundation will support the activities and expenses of Calguns.net but we do not own the forum or the domain name. Please also note that what members of the board of Calguns Foundation post on Calguns.net is not necessarily the opinion of the Calguns Foundation – unless it is marked clearly otherwise.

I will personally say:

Governor: Jerry Brown: :thumbsup:

U.S. Senator: Carly Fiorina: :thumbsup:

Both California Supreme Court Justices: :no:

Not sure about your district, but mine is Assembly District 20:

Adnan Shahab :thumbsup: (I know, he's better than Bob Wieckowski who told me over the phone that he is "not a fan" of the Second Amendment)

Rob Maffit: (CA Senate District 10) :thumbsup: (WAY better than Ellen Corbett)

Anyone other than Pete Stark (California's gee I wonder why it's unlucky "13th" Congressional District)

That's all I've got for now.

Erik; whose opinion doesn't reflect that of The Calguns Foundation.

choprzrul
10-21-2010, 5:43 AM
From the CGF Website (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/about/faq/46-what-is-cgf)



I will personally say:

Governor: Jerry Brown: :thumbsup:

U.S. Senator: Carly Fiorina: :thumbsup:

Both California Supreme Court Justices: :no:

Not sure about your district, but mine is Assembly District 20:

Adnan Shahab :thumbsup: (I know, he's better than Bob Wieckowski who told me over the phone that he is "not a fan" of the Second Amendment)

Rob Maffit: (CA Senate District 10) :thumbsup: (WAY better than Ellen Corbett)

Anyone other than Pete Stark (California's gee I wonder why it's unlucky "13th" Congressional District)

That's all I've got for now.

Erik; whose opinion doesn't reflect that of The Calguns Foundation.

If you vote Jerry Brown, you are voting for de facto gun control. No job, no savings, and selling your guns to buy groceries will quite effectively separate you from your 2A rights. 1 out of 8 Californians are now out of work. Do you think those people can go buy ammo to go to the range? Can they attend training so that they can successfully defend themselves? How many millions of Californians are suffering from economic gun control and ponder how much worse Jerry Brown's policies will make that number.

.

Some Guy
10-21-2010, 5:54 AM
Steve Cooley for AG

ZX-10R
10-21-2010, 5:58 AM
So as not to frustrate myself since I do live in a majority democratic state and in a forum that seems to lean more toward the dems, I will say this...

You want change and CA to get out of the ashes then vote entirely Republican. If taxes, the economy, immigration, jobs, and guns are what you value then Republican all the way across the board.

You want to show you are liberal and want hand outs, then vote democrapic. If you want needless spending, needless laws, money going to services you will never use, no job growth, or just enjoy being broke then the democrapic party is your haven. :D

To stand up and show your disdain vote Tea Party, knowing that your vote will not change anything aside from patting your own shoulder.

:King:

SanPedroShooter
10-21-2010, 6:01 AM
What about the several propositions on the ballot? I'm still working the angles on some. What's the word?

AEC1
10-21-2010, 8:45 AM
Just heard JB say that he wanted to make sure all students could attend state university, even those that are undocumented. That was the deal breaker!!!

oepirate
10-21-2010, 8:46 AM
Since we all view things from different points I think the word is we all need to spend plenty of time review info and make the decisions think best. Fact Check (http://www.factcheck.org/) seems pretty decent in my opinion. Also, go see how they voted before for Senate (http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm) and House (http://clerk.house.gov/). For local stuff many cities have info on their web sites.

For people who have not held office you need to dig more. Have they ran a company? Find where they have worked before or worked with and do some digging. Will they take your call and meet with you personally? For local city council I have had a meeting with one of the runners and I see a large value in looking them in the eye as you listen to what they say.

Voting for a candidate is like shopping for your next rifle. You really need to do a lot of research. Now if there were only a way to try out a candidate from a friend before you purchase, er I mean, vote.

bigmike82
10-21-2010, 8:58 AM
Oddly enough...I pretty much agree with the entire John and Ken Voter guide.

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/JohnandKen.html?feed=387620&article=7652164

The sole exception is the governor. Voting for JB.

androu
10-21-2010, 9:31 AM
This has nothing to do directly with gun rights but please, please, please, vote yes on Prop. 23!!! The anti-Prop 23 tree-hugging hypocrites like movie director James Cameron are literally pouring millions into the campaign to defeat Prop. 23. If prop 23 is not passed AB 32 will take effect and a million plus more jobs will leave the state and ALL OF US will be paying even higher costs for energy and virtually everything else. Global warmimg is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated and even if it isn't, the state of California can't stop it! It's GLOBAL warming right? Please vote YES on prop 23!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ4RolQxec

PS: Jerry Brown just l-o-o-o-o-o-o-ves AB32 so if he's elected and Prop 23 is defeated, you can call and thank Jerry for sticking up for your 2A rights while you're in the unemployment line or while you're writing that really BIG check for your electric bill.

bwiese
10-21-2010, 9:35 AM
If you vote Jerry Brown, you are voting for de facto gun control. No job, no savings, and selling your guns to buy groceries will quite effectively separate you from your 2A rights. 1 out of 8 Californians are now out of work. Do you think those people can go buy ammo to go to the range? Can they attend training so that they can successfully defend themselves? How many millions of Californians are suffering from economic gun control and ponder how much worse Jerry Brown's policies will make that number.


Neither Brown or Whitman can do much. Legislature is the key, and not much change is happening there.

Whitman will be same as Schwarzie and look where that's at.

Frankly Brown may be a tad better because he does have control over some segments of the party and he's a cheap bastard. Many Dems are complaining that Brown is too far to the right and is Republican.

BTW, I'm doing fine in this economy. Some people just fail to plan.

bwiese
10-21-2010, 9:36 AM
Please, please, please, vote yes on Prop. 23!!!

PS: Jerry Brown just looooooves AB32!

I will vote Yes on 23, and Brown on guns.

choprzrul
10-21-2010, 11:03 AM
Neither Brown or Whitman can do much. Legislature is the key, and not much change is happening there.

Whitman will be same as Schwarzie and look where that's at.

Frankly Brown may be a tad better because he does have control over some segments of the party and he's a cheap bastard. Many Dems are complaining that Brown is too far to the right and is Republican.

BTW, I'm doing fine in this economy. Some people just fail to plan.

I agree with you Bill, I am also getting by in this economy. My concern is for the roughly 4.5 million (12.5% of 37 million) people who are unemployed in CA right now. Most of those folks are economically separated from their 2A rights, and even if they do still have their guns, they can't afford to purchase ammunition. Getting the economy running will help provide those folks with the means to exercise their 2A rights. Consider which is going to have a larger impact: Jerry Brown making the economy worse and making a larger % of the population unable to afford guns and ammo; or conversely, Meg signing off on an anti gun bill in exchange for legislation that breathes life back into the economy? The anti gun bill will most likely fall in the courts, but how are we going to combat Jerry driving the economy completely over the cliff?

Look what has happened at the federal level since the same party has controlled both legislative chambers and the executive branch. We have had hugely major wins in the courts and gun control has become political poison. At the same time, mountains of economically devastating legislation has been passed that can't be paid for by us, our children, our grand children, and so on. That is an example I do not want to follow in California. We are knocking the crap out of them in the courts, let's do something to help make firearms ownership/enjoyment economically feasible for millions of people.

.

bwiese
10-21-2010, 11:07 AM
I We are knocking the crap out of them in the courts.

And we're pretty busy with a full plate and not there yet, either. So we don't need more bad laws coming up to fight - why not block 'em?

We need to not clutter things up while Scalia and Thomas don't have too much pasta or cheeseburgers.

Gun sales in CA are actually doing quite well so I don't think the economy is THAT bad. Gun owners seem to do a bit better in the economy as well.

EL_NinO619
10-21-2010, 11:08 AM
I can not believe people are going to vote for brown..WTF

the_quark
10-21-2010, 11:10 AM
What about the several propositions on the ballot? I'm still working the angles on some. What's the word?

First off, this is just me talking as an individual, not for the Calguns Foundation (or CRPA, for that matter).

I don't think there are any propositions that are directly "on point" to Second Amendment issues. From my perspective as an activist, I see the following things as being vaguely close to our concerns:

Proposition 19 - Marijuana DecriminalizationWhile not directly on point, in theory, a "yes vote" could lead to fewer police searches of individuals with small amounts of pot, which could lead to fewer police/citizen interactions around firearms.
Proposition 20 - Voting Redistricting CommissionA "yes" vote on this will give Federal Congressional district drawing to an independent commission. Since the current gerrymandered map tends to favor Democrats, and Democrats tend to be more anti-gun, it's arguable that passing this could help us at the Federal level.
Proposition 27 - Eliminate the Redistricting CommissionA "no" vote keeps the current independent redistricting commission. Similarly to 20 - a "no" vote here probably means more Republicans elected, who tend (but are not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination) to be more pro-gun.
Those are the only three I can evenly vaguely spin a gun-rights opinion on. The rest of them I have personal opinions on, but that seems offtopic for this forum.

Window_Seat
10-21-2010, 11:14 AM
Jerry Brown putting his money where his mouth is (http://www.chicagoguncase.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/california_cert_stage.pdf) on whether he is a gun grabber or not.

Meg likes the current gun control. I don't. Not too many politicians will actually write it down in a letter to a court, let alone, the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.

If you can count without skipping over #2, then you have my vote. I realize that illegal immigration might be an issue, but that's for another discussion elsewhere.

Erik.

scarville
10-21-2010, 12:54 PM
Oddly enough...I pretty much agree with the entire John and Ken Voter guide.

John and Ken on Gun issues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIKjnS3sg4E

Scott Connors
10-21-2010, 5:07 PM
First off, this is just me talking as an individual, not for the Calguns Foundation (or CRPA, for that matter).

I don't think there are any propositions that are directly "on point" to Second Amendment issues. From my perspective as an activist, I see the following things as being vaguely close to our concerns:

Proposition 19 - Marijuana Decriminalization[INDENT]While not directly on point, in theory, a "yes vote" could lead to fewer police searches of individuals with small amounts of pot, which could lead to fewer police/citizen interactions around firearms.

One other factor to consider in voting for Prop 19 is that AG Holder has stated that the feds will hammer California, meaning increased federal drug prosecutions. This ties up their resources, and will also alienate a sizable portion of the electorate that might lead to some surprises in 2012 if we get a libertarian-leaning Republican as the nominee. Anyway, anything that brings consternation to our foes is a good thing.

bigmike82
10-21-2010, 6:48 PM
Yeah, I know J and K aren't pro gun. Neither is Bill Handel. Yet they still make a lot of sense on a lot of other issues. And BH is hilarious.

sorensen440
10-21-2010, 7:02 PM
If you need someone to tell you how to vote you shouldn't be voting

NightOwl
10-21-2010, 8:07 PM
One other factor to consider in voting for Prop 19 is that AG Holder has stated that the feds will hammer California, meaning increased federal drug prosecutions. This ties up their resources, and will also alienate a sizable portion of the electorate that might lead to some surprises in 2012 if we get a libertarian-leaning Republican as the nominee. Anyway, anything that brings consternation to our foes is a good thing.

Prop 19, if it passes, will also bring to light how overreaching the commerce clause is to another group of people. The more people are aware of it, and the more challanges/dislike of how far it overreaches, the better the odds of it getting reined in. Which leads to less federal ability to regulate in-state gun laws (think of Montana, and their fight against government regs of guns produced/sold/kept in state).

I'm really hoping prop 19 passes. At worst it does a little good, at best it does a lot. Win win situation, imo.

SideWinder11
10-21-2010, 8:32 PM
If you vote Jerry Brown, you are voting for de facto gun control. No job, no savings, and selling your guns to buy groceries will quite effectively separate you from your 2A rights. 1 out of 8 Californians are now out of work. Do you think those people can go buy ammo to go to the range? Can they attend training so that they can successfully defend themselves? How many millions of Californians are suffering from economic gun control and ponder how much worse Jerry Brown's policies will make that number.

.

+100000000000000000000000

Dr Rockso
10-21-2010, 8:35 PM
Oddly enough...I pretty much agree with the entire John and Ken Voter guide.

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/JohnandKen.html?feed=387620&article=7652164

The sole exception is the governor. Voting for JB.

Blegh....Gavin Newsome?

SideWinder11
10-21-2010, 8:35 PM
From the CGF Website (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/about/faq/46-what-is-cgf)



I will personally say:

Governor: Jerry Brown: :thumbsup:
U.S. Senator: Carly Fiorina: :thumbsup:

Both California Supreme Court Justices: :no:

Not sure about your district, but mine is Assembly District 20:

Adnan Shahab :thumbsup: (I know, he's better than Bob Wieckowski who told me over the phone that he is "not a fan" of the Second Amendment)

Rob Maffit: (CA Senate District 10) :thumbsup: (WAY better than Ellen Corbett)

Anyone other than Pete Stark (California's gee I wonder why it's unlucky "13th" Congressional District)

That's all I've got for now.

Erik; whose opinion doesn't reflect that of The Calguns Foundation....

DannyInSoCal
10-21-2010, 8:38 PM
I agree with you Bill, I am also getting by in this economy. My concern is for the roughly 4.5 million (12.5% of 37 million) people who are unemployed in CA right now. .

Actually - Unemployment calculations changed under Bush Sr.

If you use the "old" algorithim we are closer to 20% nationaly and 26% for CA.

The "new" one doesnt take into account seasonal or 1099 employees....

The last report I saw for construction jobs was 63 applicants for every job...

chewy352
10-21-2010, 11:58 PM
All of these emails were sent around 3am 21 Oct.

This first email was sent to Mr. Dave Jones (D) who is running for Insurance Commissioner.

Mr. Jones,

I wanted to take a minute to let you know that even though John and Ken are endorsing you Lori Saldonas endorsement weighs even more.

Lori Saldona is the perfect example of everything that is wrong with this country. She hates the U.S. Constitution and it showed with her bill AB 1934. Her endorsement of your campaign has helped me make up my mind to vote for Barney Fife.

I hope you have a wonderful concession speech prepared.

Good Day,

Michael ###########
San Diego

No Response yet.
Still no response.

This email was sent to Michelle Steel (R) who is running for the State Board of Equalization 3rd District as an incumbent.

Miss. Steel.

I am debating who to vote for in the third district. Your pledge to, "oppose every new tax and tax increase proposed before the Board of Equalization" means a lot to me. However, I
would like to see you back it up by publishing your voting record for the public to review. If it is already posted could you please point me in the right direction.

Respectfully,
Michael ###########
San Diego

I sent this email to Miss. Steel around 5:00 am on 28 Oct.

Miss. Steel,


I sent this email to you a week ago and so far have received no response. I would really like to have my questions answered by Friday evening so that I may be well informed. Further disregard to my questions will result in you needlessly loosing my vote and possibly many others at opencarry.org and calguns.net as I have posted my correspondence with you on both of those sites for all to see. Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

Michael ###########
San Diego

Response:

Good afternoon,

Board Member Steel has asked me to respond to your e-mail. Board Member Steel has consistently opposed new taxes and tax increases. She has published articles against new taxes during her first term on the BOE, and most are available in the FlashReport.org archives. The Board Member’s complete voting record is available on the BOE website by looking through the meeting minutes at: http://www.boe.ca.gov/meetings/boardcomm.htm. I trust you will find that throughout her first term Board Member Steel has consistently supported taxpayers and opposed all new taxes and burdensome regulations.

I would also direct you to the Board Member’s website http://www.boe.ca.gov/members/msteel, for more information about the Board Member.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns.

Best,

Arie Dana

Communications Director

Board Member Michelle Steel, Third District

State Board of Equalization

This email was sent to Larry Aceves and Tom Torlakson (State Superintendent of Public Instruction), Steve Rosen and Kevin Beiser (San Diego Unified School District Member, Board of Education District B), and Scott Barnett and John De Beck (San Diego Unified School District Member, Board of Education District C)

Dear Sirs,

California Penal Code 626.9, otherwise known as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995, prohibits Law-Abiding citizens from possessing a firearm within 1000 feet of a K-12 School public or private. This law also gives' "school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority" unbridled and undefined authority to give (in writing) permission to an individual to otherwise legally posses a firearm within this zone.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov

As seen, I would dare to say, everyday criminals disregard this law and carry firearms within these zones and commit crimes against unarmed law-abiding citizens everyday. Some recent incidents in California include:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ate&id=7714630
http://www.ocregister.com/news/polic...fullerton.html

I know that the office in which you seek may not have any direct impact on this issue. However, my question for you is would you support and speak up for a "school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority" who grants permission (in writing) to an individual to lawfully posses a firearm in any lawful manner for the purpose of self defense within 1000 feet of a K-12 (public or private) in accordance with this law?

Respectfully,

Michael ###########
San Diego

The only response I have gotten so far was from Scott Barnett.

I am a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. Citizens with a legal right to bear arms should not be precluded from doing sso

thanks

SB

On 28 Oct. around 5:00 am I sent this email to all the candidates that had not replied:

Dear Sirs,

I sent this email to you a week ago and so far have received no response. I would really like to have my questions answered by Friday evening so that I may be well informed. Further disregard to my questions will result in you needlessly loosing my vote and possibly many others at opencarry.org and calguns.net as I have posted my correspondence with you on both of those sites for all to see. Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

Michael ###########
San Diego

So Far the only reply I have gotten was from John DeBeck:

Sure if it is in writing

Sent from my iPad

This email was sent on 22 Oct. around 12:30 am to Toni Atkins who is running for State Assembly 76th District (Saldonas seat)

Miss. Atkins,

I wanted to take a minute to let you know that Lori Saldonas endorsement weighs heavily with me.

Lori Saldona is the perfect example of everything that is wrong with this country. She hates the U.S. Constitution and it showed with her bill AB 1934. Her endorsement of your campaign has helped me make up my mind to vote for Barney Fife.

I hope you have a wonderful concession speech prepared.

Good Day,

Michael ###########
San Diego

Every one needs to send letters to these people to let them know that people do care about these issues. Feel free to copy and paste mine if you like. I will update this top post as I get more responses.

SideWinder11
10-22-2010, 12:20 AM
glad to see your getting involved. keep us updated

chewy352
10-22-2010, 12:25 AM
Yep I've been involved with OCDO for about a year now but this latest call to action on the CCW issue has brought me over here as well.

I will update on my OP in this thread and inform of new updates with new replys to keep all the info. in one place. Also the info is in its own thread on OCDO and is linked at the top.

choprzrul
10-22-2010, 5:18 AM
Nothing good ever comes from having both chambers of the legislative branch and the executive branch controlled by the same political party; regardless of whether it is R or D.

If you want a scaled version of 2008-2010 3 trillion $ deficit federal spending on a state level, then I say Jerry Brown is your man.

If you want any hope at all of controlling the Sac. assembly & senate, then you better hope a democrat doesn't become governor.

.

SanPedroShooter
10-22-2010, 5:56 AM
First off, this is just me talking as an individual, not for the Calguns Foundation (or CRPA, for that matter).

I don't think there are any propositions that are directly "on point" to Second Amendment issues. From my perspective as an activist, I see the following things as being vaguely close to our concerns:

Proposition 19 - Marijuana DecriminalizationWhile not directly on point, in theory, a "yes vote" could lead to fewer police searches of individuals with small amounts of pot, which could lead to fewer police/citizen interactions around firearms.
Proposition 20 - Voting Redistricting CommissionA "yes" vote on this will give Federal Congressional district drawing to an independent commission. Since the current gerrymandered map tends to favor Democrats, and Democrats tend to be more anti-gun, it's arguable that passing this could help us at the Federal level.
Proposition 27 - Eliminate the Redistricting CommissionA "no" vote keeps the current independent redistricting commission. Similarly to 20 - a "no" vote here probably means more Republicans elected, who tend (but are not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination) to be more pro-gun.
Those are the only three I can evenly vaguely spin a gun-rights opinion on. The rest of them I have personal opinions on, but that seems offtopic for this forum.

Thank you for the response. I am always happy to get the opinion of one of the "big guns".
And no, i dont need someone to tell me how to vote, i seek guidance.
Not an unworthy goal, IMO...

choprzrul
10-25-2010, 5:33 PM
All you need to know about Jerry Brown:

AIlzYD4tk78

philobeddoe
10-25-2010, 5:43 PM
From: Jackrabbit Slim <ZogJr@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:28:25 -0700
To: <brandon@abelmaldonado2010.com>
ReplyTo: Jackrabbit Slim <ZogJr@gmail.com>
Subject: Abel Maldonado for Lt. Governor

Mr. Gesicki,

I'm in the process of filling out my permanent-vote-by-mail ballot, and I'd like to know where the Lt. Governor stands on my 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms, particularly in light of the Heller and McDonald decisions.

Please have someone get back to me with a clear articulation of his position, so that I may finalize my decision and submit my ballot.

Thank you so much.

Respectfully,
Jackrabbit Slim




From: brandon@abelmaldonado2010.com
Subject: Re: Abel Maldonado for Lt. Governor
Date: October 25, 2010 6:34:52 PM PDT
To: Jackrabbit Slim <ZogJr@gmail.com>
Reply-To: brandon@abelmaldonado2010.com


Jackrabbit Slim

We are on the road doing a bus tour traveling the state. I can answer your question simply by saying he supports your 2nd amendment rights.

Thank you

Brandon
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

YourHuckleberry
10-25-2010, 6:30 PM
This has nothing to do directly with gun rights but please, please, please, vote yes on Prop. 23!!! The anti-Prop 23 tree-hugging hypocrites like movie director James Cameron are literally pouring millions into the campaign to defeat Prop. 23. If prop 23 is not passed AB 32 will take effect and a million plus more jobs will leave the state and ALL OF US will be paying even higher costs for energy and virtually everything else. Global warmimg is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated and even if it isn't, the state of California can't stop it! It's GLOBAL warming right? Please vote YES on prop 23!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ4RolQxec

PS: Jerry Brown just l-o-o-o-o-o-o-ves AB32 so if he's elected and Prop 23 is defeated, you can call and thank Jerry for sticking up for your 2A rights while you're in the unemployment line or while you're writing that really BIG check for your electric bill.

You are ill-informed, sir. Although your fear mongering might work on some weaker minds, thank God a lot of people aren't buying what you are selling.
As I have said before, the US military is spending an outrageous amount to educate its officers on, and be ready for, the implications of CLIMATE CHANGE (global warming is a misnomer). Climate change is no hoax, despite what your favorite "news" outlet has fed you, and if and when the delicate balance of thermohaline circulation and thermal expansion is disrupted, it will have GLOBAL consequences. Myself and thousands other specialized officers in the military working in conjunction with US Gov agencies as well as those from around the globe are being trained to prepare for imminent repercussions. We are actually being trained to train future generations of officers because it will be they who have to deal with the issues, but it is still possible to curb the dangerous trend we are currently on. The world recognizes this as an issue, and it is only the uneducated and those with their head in the sand that insist on boo-hooing it.
Despite your belief that California is in a self sustaining bubble of its own and somehow removed from the rest of the world, that is not the case. Not only will be be ffected by climate change, but we also have an equal responsibility to mitigate it.
What's more, there will not be some exodus of jobs from the state just because an already voter approved plan continues on track. Sure, some energy related operations might close up shop and move out of state, but no more that what has already been leaving in various other industries. What is lost will be more than compensated by the boom of clean energy jobs. My dad is a long time electrical contractor, and he has started doing solar installations and hired many many people for just that. With more state assistance he and many others in the clean energy field will be able to hire thousands and thousands.
Plus, clean energy is cheaper in the long run, not more expensive.
It's mighty scary that people might actually listen to you and others who are spewing this BS
Oh, and Brown is an *****hat

philobeddoe
10-25-2010, 6:39 PM
save me ... save me from global climate change

YourHuckleberry
10-25-2010, 7:05 PM
I realize that it sounds a bit dramatic. But the science is there, and it's scary. I am a scientist because I have found science to be one rare thing in life to be real and proven. I joined the military for the same reason. And until either one can be disproved, I'll stick with both.

philobeddoe
10-25-2010, 7:17 PM
I realize that it sounds a bit dramatic. But the science is there, and it's scary. I am a scientist because I have found science to be one rare thing in life to be real and proven. I joined the military for the same reason. And until either one can be disproved, I'll stick with both.

Respect brother, I'm just having fun.

On the other hand, I don't have faith in Science, which is why I went to Law School ...

so I'll wait for it to be PROVEN rather than disproven.


:D

Springfield45
10-25-2010, 8:50 PM
I realize that it sounds a bit dramatic. But the science is there, and it's scary. I am a scientist because I have found science to be one rare thing in life to be real and proven. I joined the military for the same reason. And until either one can be disproved, I'll stick with both.

I just found proof of climate change (global warming)! It is 54 degrees out right now. Last week it was 75 degrees. Does that count, LOL............

I do not believe in any of it. I will not be led around by the nose and told what to think while ignoring what my own senses are telling me. Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter are not very different than I remember it being twenty years ago.

dfletcher
10-25-2010, 8:57 PM
Anyone noticed that in SF there's a "non-citizen parents allowed to vote in Ed Board elections" referendum question?

Afterburnt
10-25-2010, 9:12 PM
I dont think there is a democrat that is still alive that I would vote for.

YourHuckleberry
10-25-2010, 9:40 PM
I just found proof of climate change (global warming)! It is 54 degrees out right now. Last week it was 75 degrees. Does that count, LOL............

I do not believe in any of it. I will not be led around by the nose and told what to think while ignoring what my own senses are telling me. Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter are not very different than I remember it being twenty years ago.

Now there is the type of concrete evidence that I'm used to

choprzrul
10-26-2010, 6:55 AM
No doubt that the earth is getting warmer. As matter of fact, we should expect it to get warmer as that is what the earth does. It gets warmer, it gets cooler, and this cycle has continued for millions of years.

The only real question is whether or not the current warming is influenced by human activity. Perhaps an illustration would help:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Sunspot_Numbers.png/400px-Sunspot_Numbers.png

Now, when you compare solar activity (sun spots) with earth's warming and cooling, you get this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Solar_Activity_Proxies.png/300px-Solar_Activity_Proxies.png

And then there is this little gem:

Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had mixed support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles, and a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s. In contrast to the global cooling conjecture, the current scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth has not durably cooled, but undergone global warming throughout the twentieth century.[1]

And then there is the Vostok Petit data showing trends over the last 400,000 years that illustrates temperature changes, Co2 changes, and atmosperic dust changes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Vostok_Petit_data.svg/800px-Vostok_Petit_data.svg.png

What does all of this mean? Why obviously your SUV is making the sun hotter and that is causing global warming.

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Old Timer
10-26-2010, 7:21 AM
I dont think there is a democrat that is still alive that I would vote for.I wouldn't vote for a dead one either! (Unless I moved back to Chicago, of course.) :)

M1A Rifleman
10-27-2010, 6:48 AM
How about some help with the Judicial candidates. There is a s-load on my ballot. Is there a link somwhere indicating what these people stand for?

chewy352
10-29-2010, 2:13 AM
I just updated my post (#27) with new emails along with the one response I recieved.

chewy352
10-29-2010, 2:15 AM
How about some help with the Judicial candidates. There is a s-load on my ballot. Is there a link somwhere indicating what these people stand for?

This is what I found for judges. http://www.judgevoterguide.com/

IWc
10-29-2010, 3:34 AM
This is what I found for judges. http://www.judgevoterguide.com/

Yea right, please see this (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5202348&postcount=56) and that (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5202364&postcount=57) reason.

hifiguns
10-29-2010, 6:08 AM
NRA grades for CA candidates:

http://www.nrapvf.org/upcoming-elections/California.aspx

thebronze
10-29-2010, 6:19 AM
You are ill-informed, sir. Although your fear mongering might work on some weaker minds, thank God a lot of people aren't buying what you are selling.
As I have said before, the US military is spending an outrageous amount to educate its officers on, and be ready for, the implications of CLIMATE CHANGE (global warming is a misnomer). Climate change is no hoax, despite what your favorite "news" outlet has fed you, and if and when the delicate balance of thermohaline circulation and thermal expansion is disrupted, it will have GLOBAL consequences. Myself and thousands other specialized officers in the military working in conjunction with US Gov agencies as well as those from around the globe are being trained to prepare for imminent repercussions. We are actually being trained to train future generations of officers because it will be they who have to deal with the issues, but it is still possible to curb the dangerous trend we are currently on. The world recognizes this as an issue, and it is only the uneducated and those with their head in the sand that insist on boo-hooing it.
Despite your belief that California is in a self sustaining bubble of its own and somehow removed from the rest of the world, that is not the case. Not only will be be ffected by climate change, but we also have an equal responsibility to mitigate it.
What's more, there will not be some exodus of jobs from the state just because an already voter approved plan continues on track. Sure, some energy related operations might close up shop and move out of state, but no more that what has already been leaving in various other industries. What is lost will be more than compensated by the boom of clean energy jobs. My dad is a long time electrical contractor, and he has started doing solar installations and hired many many people for just that. With more state assistance he and many others in the clean energy field will be able to hire thousands and thousands.
Plus, clean energy is cheaper in the long run, not more expensive.
It's mighty scary that people might actually listen to you and others who are spewing this BS
Oh, and Brown is an *****hat

You're so FOS, it's not even funny. "GloBull Warming" is the BIGGEST SCAM ever perpetrated on man-kind.

comblock
10-29-2010, 6:21 AM
If any of you can remember brown was governator in early 80s. I can't recall him being anti 2A in those days.

DocSkinner
10-29-2010, 11:37 AM
For Concord City Council, I am Voting for Terry Kremin - but then I am a little biased...

At least two other other candidates that I know of are also at least shooters - Paul Poston and Bob Hogue.

marc4
10-29-2010, 1:20 PM
I'll just leave this here!

Kid Stanislaus
10-29-2010, 4:43 PM
choprzrul wrote: "If you vote Jerry Brown, you are voting for de facto gun control. No job, no savings, and selling your guns to buy groceries will quite effectively separate you from your 2A rights. 1 out of 8 Californians are now out of work. Do you think those people can go buy ammo to go to the range? Can they attend training so that they can successfully defend themselves? How many millions of Californians are suffering from economic gun control and ponder how much worse Jerry Brown's policies will make that number."

Do you have anything to back that up or is that just a rant that popped off the top of your head?

chewy352
10-30-2010, 12:03 AM
Updated post #27 again.

Wrangler John
10-30-2010, 5:45 AM
I realize that it sounds a bit dramatic. But the science is there, and it's scary. I am a scientist because I have found science to be one rare thing in life to be real and proven. I joined the military for the same reason. And until either one can be disproved, I'll stick with both.

You stick with it, and I'll vote against every delusional global warming, climate change, the sky is falling, purveyor of fraudulent histrionic doomsaying. Science is hardly real or proven, but entirely subject to the same manipulation as theology. There is enough deliberate fraud in data sampling within the global warming huckster community to completely dismiss any attempt to declare the hypothesis as valid science. While mathematics may not lie, less scrupulous "scientists" with an agenda do.

Oh, but then you were just stirring the pot, yes! :)

mpcoop
10-30-2010, 6:14 PM
VOTE YES ON PROP 23! CALIFORNIA ALONE CANNOT CHANGE THE GLOBAL CLIMATE. NOT TO MENTION THE MILLIONS OF JOBS LOST AND INCREASED PRICE OF FUEL WHEN ALL THE REFINERIES PACK UP AND MOVE JUST OVER THE MEXICAN BORDER, BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE OIL REFINERIES AND OTHER MANUFACTURING COMPANIES PAY THE THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT. GET REAL CALIFORNIA, WE CANT ALL DRIVE A PRIUS.

CalNRA
10-31-2010, 1:16 AM
choprzrul wrote: "If you vote Jerry Brown, you are voting for de facto gun control. No job, no savings, and selling your guns to buy groceries will quite effectively separate you from your 2A rights. 1 out of 8 Californians are now out of work. Do you think those people can go buy ammo to go to the range? Can they attend training so that they can successfully defend themselves? How many millions of Californians are suffering from economic gun control and ponder how much worse Jerry Brown's policies will make that number."

Do you have anything to back that up or is that just a rant that popped off the top of your head?


I have bought ammo from some people outside of calguns that are selling them to feed the family.

It is happening. When it happens to you come back and rant.

I have a decent paying job but I see many people hurting around me. If you are doing fine, look around harder.

philobeddoe
11-03-2010, 2:16 PM
Jerry Brown beat Meg Whitman by one million votes

Are there 1,000,000 gun owners that would have gone to the mats for her had she come out in support of the RKBA?



Fwiw, I'm hurting and there's a not a darn thing either Jerry or Meg were or are going to do to change that for me, or for millions of other Californians that are hurting.

Our choices were abysmal

There are no solutions in sight

We have four years to bring a true Constitutional Conservative to the forefront,

someone who will confirm the RKBA, someone who will secure the border, someone who will stop the entitlement spending, someone who will stand up to the unions, including but not limited to the teachers' union

someone who will honor and uphold the rule of law over the rule of man

our new lord and master Jerry Brown wants to fully fund a college education for every single child in California, whether here legally or not ...

man, I cannot afford to educate my own child, how in the heck can I be expected to finance the education of others' children?!

I fear that I'll soon be forced onto the entitlement rolls if this keeps up, and then rather than contributing to the "greater good," I'll be a subjugated and indentured beneficiary


food for thought, or at the very least, a light snack for contemplation

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