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vantec08
10-20-2010, 11:34 AM
http://www.queenscourier.com/articles/2010/10/19/news/top_stories/doc4cbdb976b7778188550769.txt


Halloran eyes gun licensing rule change
BY TONIA N. CIMINO
Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
City Councilmember Dan Halloran is outraged by a proposed rule amendment to the city’s gun licensure regulations that would allow the NYPD to revoke or deny a firearm license to applicants.

“The NYPD’s rule amendment would allow the city to deny a gun license to almost any law-abiding New Yorker, and for downright silly reasons,” said Halloran, who spoke out at a public hearing on September 22. “We are stepping on a very slippery slope here. Many of these requirements are painfully vague. For example, any ‘violation’ disqualifies a potential applicant from owning a firearm. That can include ‘violations’ that have nothing to do with one’s fitness to own a gun, such as building code and sanitation violations, traffic tickets, or even failing to sweep your front sidewalk. And others have nothing at all do with gun safety or crime in any way. Now, you can be denied a gun permit for poor driving, termination from a job, or failing to pay your cable bill on time.”

Halloran also questioned an introduced bill at City Hall which seeks to regulate possession of a weapon as it relates to drinking alcohol.




“The application of DWI laws to gun ownership must be precise and well thought out. It is clear that the legislation in its current form would lead to prosecutorial misuse, confuse the judiciary, and result in legal challenges. We need to act cautiously when dealing with constitutional rights of our citizens.”

Halloran noted the glaring discrepancies in research provided by anti-gun advocacy groups, and, he noted, the Police Department admitted there was less than a one percent rate of persons misusing a licensed firearm in New York City.

“The reality is that law-abiding, license applying New Yorkers do not abuse their right to a firearm," Halloran said. "We have no reason to treat them as criminals in waiting because anti-gun nuts want to prevent honest people from defending their homes, businesses, families, and their persons. The Founding Fathers felt every man had the right to defend their home, their family, and their property. These amendments are just another way for the city to infringe on the Constitutional right of New Yorkers to keep and bear arms. The city will stoop to almost any level to take this basic liberty away – even if it means bending the Constitution and defying all common sense.”

Window_Seat
10-20-2010, 11:44 AM
I have one waving image for NY... :gura:

Erik.

sholling
10-20-2010, 11:57 AM
On a related note Fox Business reported a rumor this morning that Bloomberg is considering running for president.

thebronze
10-20-2010, 12:07 PM
As bad as Kali is, at least we don't live there...

nicki
10-20-2010, 12:09 PM
Old HS friend of mine who is not connected actually got his paperwork processed for a handgun in NYC in 10 weeks.

Not a carry permit, a home permit. I remember people having to waiting years only to be told that they lack "good cause".

When Chicago loses on their new handgun licensing scheme which is far less oppressive than NYC gun policies right now, NY will lose big time.

Nicki

CHS
10-20-2010, 12:56 PM
I've got an acquaintance who successfully got issued a permit to keep a .22lr pistol (Ruger MKII) in his apartment in NYC.

When he showed an interest in getting a 1911 (I.E. .45cal) as well, he was actually laughed at by the cops.

Also of interest: The only actual shooting range IN NYC is underneath a strip club.

Blood Ocean
10-20-2010, 1:17 PM
No way, there's a shooting range in NYC? Address? I'll check it out next time I go...
I've got an acquaintance who successfully got issued a permit to keep a .22lr pistol (Ruger MKII) in his apartment in NYC.

When he showed an interest in getting a 1911 (I.E. .45cal) as well, he was actually laughed at by the cops.

Also of interest: The only actual shooting range IN NYC is underneath a strip club.

CHS
10-20-2010, 1:35 PM
No way, there's a shooting range in NYC? Address? I'll check it out next time I go...

http://www.westsidepistolrange.com/newtoshooting.php

Just keep in mind, you can't legally bring your own firearms there.

From the site:

In the City of New York one does not need a permit to shoot a .22 caliber rifle. At Westiside we offer the opportunity for novices to experience the excitement of firing a .22 caliber rifle.

Requirement: 21 years of age or older, permanent US resident
Fee: $65.00

Above fee will provide you with:

* Instruction from an NRA certified Range Safety Officer
* Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic rifle
* 50 rounds of .22 caliber ammunition
* Targets

During your first visit you are required to take a safety course in the classroom and have an instructor on the firing line with you. Return visits past 3 months of your last visit require you to attend a refresher course.
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That's JUST for shooting 50rd's of .22lr.

And some people out there honestly think Californians have it worst.

Mstrty
10-20-2010, 1:39 PM
http://www.queenscourier.com/articles/2010/10/19/news/top_stories/doc4cbdb976b7778188550769.txt


Many of these requirements are painfully vague. For example, any ‘violation’ disqualifies a potential applicant from owning a firearm. That can include ‘violations’ that have nothing to do with one’s fitness to own a gun, such as building code and sanitation violations, traffic tickets, or even failing to sweep your front sidewalk. And others have nothing at all do with gun safety or crime in any way. Now, you can be denied a gun permit for poor driving, termination from a job, or failing to pay your cable bill on time.”



Well I hope NYC can survive with the 3 policemen in the city. All the others fail to meet the requirements.:rolleyes:

tiki
10-20-2010, 2:09 PM
Also of interest: The only actual shooting range IN NYC is underneath a strip club.

Awesome! Go downstairs for some shots, then upstairs for some shots.

Rossi357
10-20-2010, 2:29 PM
Shoot naked!!!

Wherryj
10-20-2010, 3:10 PM
http://www.westsidepistolrange.com/newtoshooting.php

Just keep in mind, you can't legally bring your own firearms there.

From the site:

In the City of New York one does not need a permit to shoot a .22 caliber rifle. At Westiside we offer the opportunity for novices to experience the excitement of firing a .22 caliber rifle.

Requirement: 21 years of age or older, permanent US resident
Fee: $65.00

Above fee will provide you with:

* Instruction from an NRA certified Range Safety Officer
* Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic rifle
* 50 rounds of .22 caliber ammunition
* Targets

During your first visit you are required to take a safety course in the classroom and have an instructor on the firing line with you. Return visits past 3 months of your last visit require you to attend a refresher course.
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That's JUST for shooting 50rd's of .22lr.

And some people out there honestly think Californians have it worst.

I guess that a "novice" has to start somewhere, but "the excitement" of "firing a .22LR"? I wouldn't consider firing a .22LR to be much more than an amusement. "Excitement" starts at magnum/30-06 types of rounds.

WDE91
10-20-2010, 3:32 PM
ehh true
but for someone who has never fired something that uses powder, even a .22 can produce a big smile

vantec08
10-20-2010, 3:52 PM
You know, I used to believe that a couple of court cases later this would all be over. Couldnt have been more wrong. It will take a SMASHING of the bureaucrat non-believers, like 8-1 on the substance of the 2nd.

CHS
10-20-2010, 4:06 PM
I guess that a "novice" has to start somewhere, but "the excitement" of "firing a .22LR"? I wouldn't consider firing a .22LR to be much more than an amusement. "Excitement" starts at magnum/30-06 types of rounds.

And a whole FIFTY rounds worth, too! WHoooHoo!

I would totally charge someone $65 to shoot 50 rounds of .22lr. I could make a living off that! ;)

five.five-six
10-20-2010, 4:13 PM
wow, this is actualy cooler than microstamping

http://www.westsidepistolrange.com/newtoshooting.php

Just keep in mind, you can't legally bring your own firearms there.

From the site:

In the City of New York one does not need a permit to shoot a .22 caliber rifle. At Westiside we offer the opportunity for novices to experience the excitement of firing a .22 caliber rifle.

Requirement: 21 years of age or older, permanent US resident
Fee: $65.00

Above fee will provide you with:

* Instruction from an NRA certified Range Safety Officer
* Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic rifle
* 50 rounds of .22 caliber ammunition
* Targets

During your first visit you are required to take a safety course in the classroom and have an instructor on the firing line with you. Return visits past 3 months of your last visit require you to attend a refresher course.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's JUST for shooting 50rd's of .22lr.

And some people out there honestly think Californians have it worst.

N6ATF
10-20-2010, 5:01 PM
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cineski
10-20-2010, 11:31 PM
As much as I love NYC, good gawd it's goofy. Everyone I know in the city but one person is just a crazy liberal loonybird. Love giving them conservative talk just to watch them squirm.

Mulay El Raisuli
10-21-2010, 5:30 AM
I've got an acquaintance who successfully got issued a permit to keep a .22lr pistol (Ruger MKII) in his apartment in NYC.

When he showed an interest in getting a 1911 (I.E. .45cal) as well, he was actually laughed at by the cops.

Also of interest: The only actual shooting range IN NYC is underneath a strip club.


That's where you're shown how to properly strip & clean the weapon, right?


No way, there's a shooting range in NYC? Address? I'll check it out next time I go...


Like its the shooting that got your attention. ;)


The Raisuli