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Gray Peterson
10-14-2010, 10:26 PM
UPDATE: The sheriff now accepts "self-defense" as sufficient Good Cause. At the top of the sheriff's "Concealed Weapons Permit and Application Process" .pdf document (available via: http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Organization/SIIB/CCW.aspx), is the following:

Self-defense may be considered good cause for the issuance of a permit, however, each application is unique and the Sheriff retains the ability to deny permit applications where it appears that doing so is in the interest of public safety.

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Sacramento County CCW Policy, Guidelines and Forms can be found Here (http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento)

Special Investigations/Intelligence Bureau
Concealed Weapons Permit Information
916.874.5371 Office Phone
916.874.5858 Fax
Email ccw@sacsheriff.com

To get a new CCW Permit within Sacramento County:

Step 1 - Review the Policies and Procedures for Issuance of a Concealed Weapons Permit within Sacramento County. This document will give you the criteria and information needed for issuance of a CCW. [View Policies and Procedures]

Step 2 - Download and complete the CCW Application. [Download CCW Application] (Please leave pages 10, 11, 12, 13 & 14 blank. These are completed during your appointment.)
After you have completed the application, schedule a "New Concealed Weapons Permit Application" appointment via our online appointment system. [Online Appointment System]

Step 3 - During your "New Concealed Weapons Permit Application" appointment, you will be meeting with a Sheriff's Detective for a face to face interview and to review your application. For this appointment, you will need to bring your completed CCW Application, government issued identification and a check or money order for $20 made payable to "County of Sacramento" for your filing fee. After your application is submitted, it is reviewed by three Command level staff for approval or denial.

Step 4 - You will receive notification, generally within 30 days, if your application for a Concealed Weapons Permit has been approved or denied. If you are denied, you can review the appeals process below if you want to appeal the board's decision. If your application was approved, you will also receive a Department of Justice (DOJ) LiveScan form and LiveScan instructions. DOJ processes your fingerprints and notifies the Sheriff's Department of your clearance to carry a CCW permit. DOJ charges a fee of approximately $122 for the fingerprinting, criminal history check and firearms eligibility letter. The DOJ clearance usually takes 30-90 days. During this waiting time, its recommended that you take any necessary training requirements. [See Training Requirements]
Step 5 - You will be notified by the Sheriff's Department via mail when we receive your DOJ clearance. After you receive the notification of clearance, you need to schedule a "Concealed Weapons Permit Issuance" appointment via our online appointment system. [Online Appointment System]

Step 6 - During your "Concealed Weapons Permit Issuance" appointment, you will need to turn in all of your training requirements, a check or money order for $80 payable to "County of Sacramento" and sign the final permit documents. After this is completed, you will receive your permit in the mail within 2-4 weeks.


To renew your CCW Permit every two years:

Step 1 - Schedule a "Renew Concealed Weapons Permit" appointment via our online appointment system. [Online Appointment System]

Step 2 - During your "Renew Concealed Weapons Permit" appointment, you will need to turn in all of your training requirements, a check or money order for $52 payable to "Department of Justice" and a check or money order for $25 payable to "County of Sacramento" for your renewal fees.



Overview of training requirements required to obtain or renew a CCW Permit in Sacramento County:

New CCW Permits - 16-hour training course that including instruction on firearm safety and the law regarding the permissible use of a firearm. Qualify on each gun you want listed on your CCW Permit.*

CCW Permit Renewals (every 2 years) - Prior to renewal, complete at least a 4-hour legal firearms update refresher course. Qualify on each gun you want listed on your CCW Permit.*

Annual Qualifications - You must annually qualify with the weapons(s)/type(s) listed on your permit. If you want to add or remove weapons from your permit, a qualification is required all the weapons you want on the permit and you will need to schedule a "Concealed Weapons Permit Modification" appointment via our online appointment system. [Online Appointment System]*

*Contact any local firearms range or security academy within Sacramento County to complete the training requirements and/or weapons qualifications.



If you need to modify any information on your CCW Permit:

If you are moving, you have 10 days after you move to modify your CCW Permit with your new address. To modify your permit or update your address, you will need to schedule a "Concealed Weapons Permit Modification" appointment via our online appointment system. [Online Appointment System]



Overview of the Application Appeals Process:

All applicants will receive notice in writing regarding the approval or denial of their application. Applicants who are denied a concealed weapons permit will be advised of the reason for the denial. Applicants may appeal if their application for a permit is denied. All appeals must be submitted in writing to:

Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department
Attention: Gun Permits
711 G Street
Sacramento, CA 95814

Written appeals should be specific, clearly outlining the applicant’s rebuttal to the reason stated for denial. Additional information, which may be pertinent to the applicants request for a permit should also be included. Note: Appeals must be received by the Sheriff’s Department no later than (30) thirty days from the date of the notification letter.

Automated phone system for LiveScan updates
One more resource, re: Live Scan. If you don't get the Live Scan results in seven days, you can check the status by calling the automated number at the top of the page at http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/contactus.php (916-227-4557). Option 1 explains that letters get entered as displayed on your phone keypad but are repeated back as numbers to be confirmed. I checked my information about 12 hours after having my prints taken (just to see how the system worked), and they reported no status information existed for me. Pretty much as expected.

Also, when you get your Live Scan number done, your ATI number is written down by the SSD officer at the bottom of the page. One member told me that when his was done the number was written down incorrectly, leaving out some digits. It should be a letter followed by three numbers, three more letters, and then three more numbers. You might want to check for that when having your Live Scan performed.

harbinger007
10-19-2010, 6:13 PM
EDIT: As of December 2010, the links I had posted here are no longer valid. Please refer to current information in the post above.

As many of us have learned firsthand, the required separate good cause statement for Sacramento just needs to list "self defense" (i.e., "I wish to obtain a permit in order that I may carry a concealed handgun for self defense.")

As of December 2010, the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department is now scheduling appointments for CCW matters online at http://sacsheriff.checkappointments.com/


According to reports from a couple of recent applicants, you don't need to list your handgun(s) expected to be carried at the time you apply. You can provide that information when you qualify. See:
Amber wrote to me that she doesn't need any guns listed on the original application when you drop it off. I quote her (I'm sure she wouldn't mind):

"That’s just to fill in if you have an idea of what you plan on carrying. If you’re not sure, leave it blank. I don’t require specific weapon information unless you are approved for the permit. At which time you’re required to take the training course and fire with the weapons to be listed.. Up until then you can leave that section blank if you wish."

:)

One member had reported that the SSD was going to start charging $25 for modifications beginning 2/1/2011. However, according to a message received from another member on 12/12/2012 this fee is actually $10.

Edit 10/4/2011: SSD has implemented a policy requiring that the instructor initial off on your qualification certification that they verified the serial numbers of the weapons you qualified with. See http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=7235389&postcount=863

MrBrent
10-19-2010, 6:19 PM
FYI first two links don't work for me.

harbinger007
10-19-2010, 6:35 PM
fixed, thanks
EDIT: Links are no longer valid as of December 2010

harbinger007
10-19-2010, 6:54 PM
One thing that wasn't clear to me when I got started is if I was supposed to obtain my training before applying. No, wait until you're approved or at least close to expecting to be approved. Reportedly, the training certificate must be less than 90 days old when you go in for your permit after being approved.

Some sources for CCW training I had checked or heard from others about (in alphabetical order of URLs):

http://www.advancedsecurityinstitute.com/ Initial: BSIS / CCW 16-Hr Class: $110

http://casecuritytraining.com/ $90 for 2 day course plus $10 for each addition handgun. $20 for 50-round bags of ammo.

http://lfiguns.com/ Wesley Lagomarsino has CCW classes for several counties as well as Utah, Oregon, Virginia, etc. Normal fee is $200 but Wes discounts all referrals, Calguns members, NRA members, Military personnel, etc. to $175.

http://www.resolutesg.com/services/professional-training/defensive-pistol-and-use-of-force Resolute Security Group, Defensive Pistol and Use of Force class taught by John Souza to meet CCW requirements. Fee is $250.

http://sacvalley.org/ Sacramento Valley Shooting Center has been offering classes. I believe the cost is $250 and more information should be available when a new page is added to their web site (look for a tab at the top titled "Training") which will probably get uploaded on 2/3/2011. The next training class as of this writing is on 2/19-2/20.

http://www.universalsecurityacademy.com/index.htm $110 (used to offer $10 discount to CalGuns members, but not any longer per sasc40cal (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5739079#post5739079) - worth reading for review feedback). $10 is charged for each additional handgun after the first handgun.

http://www.yankeeshooter.com/ $215 with free annual requalifications.

If there are others that should be added here, please send me a PM and I'll add it.

harbinger007
10-19-2010, 7:18 PM
To turn in your permit you need to go to the Sheriff's office at 711 G Street. For those not very familiar with downtown Sacramento, here is a link to a Google map:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=711+G+street+sacramento&sll=38.582962,-121.490486&sspn=0.008638,0.022037&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=711+G+St,+Sacramento,+California+95814&ll=38.584556,-121.495636&spn=0.003054,0.005509&t=h&z=18

The entrance is on the south side of the building, maybe 50 feet or so east of the intersection. Parking in the parking lot across the street (entrance about across from the entrance to the office) is a few bucks. There is also some street parking right across the street. Your entire visit may only last 15 minutes so it won't cost much for parking.

You're supposedly supposed to bring a second form of ID and a car registration works for that, though they didn't ask for mine.

harbinger007
10-20-2010, 10:53 PM
CCWs issued by SSD up until September 2010 or so were restricted and invalid within 1,000 feet of a school zone and their procedures posted online up until December still indicated that CCWs issued followed this policy. However, that policy was changed in practice in October 2010 and the SSD communicated this all existing permit holders via a letter dated October 5th, a copy of which is located in another discussion thread at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5123094&postcount=44 For a good copy of said, letter, please refer to the pdf linked in Gene's post at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5128428&postcount=61.

harbinger007
10-21-2010, 7:02 AM
Someone asked me to summarize the costs associated with obtaining a CCW, so I'll list them here:

$20 due with submission of application (cashier's check or money order) [as of May 2012, personal checks no longer accepted)

$122 due for LiveScan after receiving approval letter (money order or credit card)

$90-$175 (or more?) for CCW training by approved instructor (no complete list seems to exist of approved instructors that I'm aware of)

$80 due after completing above and turning in LiveScan and training certificate/range qualification to Amber (I'm not yet sure what forms of payment are accepted as I'm not that far along myself)

samonya
10-21-2010, 10:24 AM
One thing that wasn't clear to me when I got started is if I was supposed to obtain my training before applying. No, wait until you're approved or at least close to expecting to be approved. Reportedly, the training certificate must be less than 90 days old when you go in for your permit after being approved.

Some sources for CCW training I had checked out:

http://www.yankeeshooter.com/ $175 with free annual requalifications

http://www.advancedsecurityinstitute.com/ Initial: BSIS / CCW 16-Hr Class: $110

http://www.universalsecurityacademy.com/index.htm $110 less $10 discount if you mention you want the CalGuns discount. $10 is charged for each additional handgun after the first handgun.

http://casecuritytraining.com/ $90 for 2 day course plus $10 for each addition handgun. $20 for 50-round bags of ammo.
this is the first time Ive seen this 90 day rule, does anyone have any more info?

avatar0716
10-21-2010, 4:52 PM
I set up an appointment did I have to do that or could I just go there to drop it off.

CSDGuy
10-21-2010, 5:55 PM
I set up an appointment did I have to do that or could I just go there to drop it off.
AFAIK, currently you must make an appointment. That may change...

Bret Daniels
10-21-2010, 7:08 PM
Someone asked me to summarize the costs associated with obtaining a CCW, so I'll list them here:

$20 due with submission of application (check or money order)

$122 due for LiveScan after receiving approval letter (money order or credit card)

$90-$175 (or more?) for CCW training by approved instructor (no complete list seems to exist of approved instructors that I'm aware of)

$80 due after completing above and turning in LiveScan and training certificate/range qualification to Amber (I'm not yet sure what forms of payment are accepted as I'm not that far along myself)

So about $500 to exercise your Constitutional right. Wonder if that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they said "...shall not be infringed".

Seems the requirements are to better protect society (insuring someone that should not get a permit doesn't, making sure the person has some training and knowledge, etc) than the permit holder and therefor the burden should be on the people and not the person.

harbinger007
10-21-2010, 10:59 PM
So about $500 to exercise your Constitutional right. Wonder if that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they said "...shall not be infringed".

Seems the requirements are to better protect society (insuring someone that should not get a permit doesn't, making sure the person has some training and knowledge, etc) than the permit holder and therefor the burden should be on the people and not the person.

I agree it's too costly, but I do also think the training serves the permit holder well and we probably should make sure we continue to train more than what's required. That's just my personal opinion. About the only other fee that's reasonable in my opinion is the initial $20. All the others are over-priced, IMO.

harbinger007
10-21-2010, 11:26 PM
One more resource, re: Live Scan. If you don't get the Live Scan results in seven days, you can check the status by calling the automated number at the top of the page at http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/contactus.php (916-227-4557). Option 1 explains that letters get entered as displayed on your phone keypad but are repeated back as numbers to be confirmed. I checked my information about 12 hours after having my prints taken (just to see how the system worked), and they reported no status information existed for me. Pretty much as expected.

Also, when you get your Live Scan number done, your ATI number is written down by the SSD officer at the bottom of the page. One member told me that when his was done the number was written down incorrectly, leaving out some digits. It should be a letter followed by three numbers, three more letters, and then three more numbers. You might want to check for that when having your Live Scan performed.

harbinger007
10-21-2010, 11:57 PM
this is the first time Ive seen this 90 day rule, does anyone have any more info?

Please note I did write "reportedly". I don't know if it's fact or not, but I read of it at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5072939&postcount=834 and the member it was directed towards later responded in a manner that seemed to imply that he understood the rule to be the same. No further follow-up on this point was made, that I recall.

EDIT 1/1/11: See clarification obtained by Wes from Amber, posted at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5537771&postcount=209 (training is valid for two years)

DGoodale
10-22-2010, 7:12 AM
I agree it's too costly, but I do also think the training serves the permit holder well and we probably should make sure we continue to train more than what's required. That's just my personal opinion. About the only other fee that's reasonable in my opinion is the initial $20. All the others are over-priced, IMO.

Don't forget your yearly $77. $122 for a 10 min LiveScan is waaay excessive. Even at $50 it's high but more palatable but it's all part of the deterrent they've built into the process.

I too agree that there needs to be training but the ccw training I've attended is woefully inadequate and have witnessed people that should have outright failed get passed b/c they paid their money for the class. These classes fulfill the licensing requirement but people should seek out better training for gun handling skills elsewhere; GS, TR, FS, TFTT, etc.

jb7706
10-22-2010, 7:47 AM
Don't forget your yearly $77. $122 for a 10 min LiveScan is waaay excessive. Even at $50 it's high but more palatable but it's all part of the deterrent they've built into the process.

I too agree that there needs to be training but the ccw training I've attended is woefully inadequate and have witnessed people that should have outright failed get passed b/c they paid their money for the class. These classes fulfill the licensing requirement but people should seek out better training for gun handling skills elsewhere; GS, TR, FS, TFTT, etc.

Where are you getting the annual $77? Once your license is in hand the only thing you have to do yearly is qualify with your guns. Every other year you have to take a 4 hour refresher, that cost depends on the instructor you choose. There is the renewal fee the SO charges too, but don't have it in front of me.

jb7706
10-22-2010, 7:56 AM
I agree it's too costly, but I do also think the training serves the permit holder well and we probably should make sure we continue to train more than what's required. That's just my personal opinion. About the only other fee that's reasonable in my opinion is the initial $20. All the others are over-priced, IMO.

I am 100% in favor of training, and any CCW holder that does not seek out training and regular practice is not acting responsibly IMO, but requiring someone to lay out hundreds of dollars in fees and training is entirely wrong IMO.

jb7706
10-22-2010, 8:04 AM
Someone asked me to summarize the costs associated with obtaining a CCW, so I'll list them here:

$20 due with submission of application (check or money order)

$122 due for LiveScan after receiving approval letter (money order or credit card)

$90-$175 (or more?) for CCW training by approved instructor (no complete list seems to exist of approved instructors that I'm aware of)

$80 due after completing above and turning in LiveScan and training certificate/range qualification to Amber (I'm not yet sure what forms of payment are accepted as I'm not that far along myself)


Other costs to consider:

Ammo for qualification and practice.
Time off from work to go to the SO at least twice.
Time spent going to class and various other appointments.
Gas/bus fare for all that running around.

harbinger007
10-22-2010, 8:12 AM
Where are you getting the annual $77? Once your license is in hand the only thing you have to do yearly is qualify with your guns. Every other year you have to take a 4 hour refresher, that cost depends on the instructor you choose. There is the renewal fee the SO charges too, but don't have it in front of me.

According to http://www.sacsheriff.com/forms/documents/ccw_process.pdf, we've got to pay the state $52 and the SSD $25 each year. Crooks.
Edit: the $77 is due at the renewal every two years, not annually. See correction on this matter by jb7706 below. Re-qualifications are required annually but the SSD doesn't collect a fee for those being submitted in off years.

Bret Daniels
10-22-2010, 8:26 AM
The training should be offered by the Sheriff at no charge. The department has a huge range that goes unused a great deal of the time. Would be easy to open it up to people seeking permits or just knowledge/training for home use at no cost.

avatar0716
10-22-2010, 8:28 AM
AFAIK, currently you must make an appointment. That may change...


AFAIK, currently you must make an appointment. That may change...



Thanks
I made the apointment it is not until january seem like a really long wait. Just wanted to make sure.

DGoodale
10-22-2010, 8:31 AM
Where are you getting the annual $77? Once your license is in hand the only thing you have to do yearly is qualify with your guns. Every other year you have to take a 4 hour refresher, that cost depends on the instructor you choose. There is the renewal fee the SO charges too, but don't have it in front of me.

Unless this has changed...
Taken from the ccw_process.pdf from SacSo website:
Fees for Renewals of Existing Permits:
$52.00 State of California renewal fee (check or money order only) made payable to the State of California. (Subject to change). $25.00 renewal fee (check or money order only) made payable to the County of Sacramento.

jb7706
10-22-2010, 12:14 PM
According to http://www.sacsheriff.com/forms/documents/ccw_process.pdf, we've got to pay the state $52 and the SSD $25 each year. Crooks.

Unless this has changed...
Taken from the ccw_process.pdf from SacSo website:
Fees for Renewals of Existing Permits:
$52.00 State of California renewal fee (check or money order only) made payable to the State of California. (Subject to change). $25.00 renewal fee (check or money order only) made payable to the County of Sacramento.

That is the 2 year renewal fee, it's not annual. Only annual cost is that paid to an instructor for requal on your guns, usually around $10/gun.

hoffmang
10-22-2010, 12:53 PM
The Sacramento page on CGF.org has been updated with the details of the process as we currently know them. If you have newer data, please post here so we can vet and update:
http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento

-Gene

jb7706
10-22-2010, 1:31 PM
The Sacramento page on CGF.org has been updated with the details of the process as we currently know them. If you have newer data, please post here so we can vet and update:
http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento

-Gene

Step Four-

Add that you will receive a letter from Amber informing you that your prints are back and to come down to 711 G within 30 days of the date of the letter. I can scan and send you a copy of my letter if you want it. If an applicant can't get into a class within 30 days of Live Scan I'd suggest holding off on prints until the class has been completed.

harbinger007
10-22-2010, 2:24 PM
Step Four-

Add that you will receive a letter from Amber informing you that your prints are back and to come down to 711 G within 30 days of the date of the letter. I can scan and send you a copy of my letter if you want it. If an applicant can't get into a class within 30 days of Live Scan I'd suggest holding off on prints until the class has been completed.

I wonder if Amber's 30-day statement is simply so that her pending files don't get to be so numerous. The letter informing me that my application had been approved also told me to Take the LiveScan with 30 days of receipt of the notice. If an applicant can't get training scheduled very timely, they might find it necessary to violate one of the 30 day time periods.

jb7706
10-22-2010, 2:43 PM
The training should be offered by the Sheriff at no charge. The department has a huge range that goes unused a great deal of the time. Would be easy to open it up to people seeking permits or just knowledge/training for home use at no cost.

The SO range would be great, assuming it is staffed by RSO's, is ADA compliant in all respects, insurance is covered, target systems are maintained, etc. Lots more to it than just opening the doors and telling all to "come on in." I truly appreciate the sentiment, but with the SO having budget problems do you believe this is a possibility? I'm sure you have all kinds of qualified staff to do these things, but I'd be happy to work with you and offer the assistance of Folsom Shooting Club if it is needed.

jb7706
10-22-2010, 2:45 PM
I wonder if Amber's 30-day statement is simply so that her pending files don't get to be so numerous. The letter informing me that my application had been approved also told me to Take the LiveScan with 30 days of receipt of the notice. If an applicant can't get training scheduled very timely, they might find it necessary to violate one of the 30 day time periods.

I may be wrong, but I believe the Live Scan results are only valid for 30 days.

harbinger007
10-22-2010, 3:14 PM
Somebody complained about having to be fingerprinted when they had done it before but it was on an older system. That gave me the impression that they are good for a long time or "forever", but I too may be wrong. Fortunately, my training is taking place about 9 days after my LiveScan and I'm going in to see Amber as soon as she contacts me, maybe about the same time. I might even might shoot her (yikes, bad choice of words?) an e-mail as soon as I veryify my LiveScan status on the automated phone system. The approval letter didn't say anything about waiting for a letter from Amber. The approval letter arrived here 8 days after it was dated.

jb7706
10-22-2010, 4:07 PM
Somebody complained about having to be fingerprinted when they had done it before but it was on an older system. That gave me the impression that they are good for a long time or "forever", but I too may be wrong. Fortunately, my training is taking place about 9 days after my LiveScan and I'm going in to see Amber as soon as she contacts me, maybe about the same time. I might even might shoot her (yikes, bad choice of words?) an e-mail as soon as I veryify my LiveScan status on the automated phone system. The approval letter didn't say anything about waiting for a letter from Amber. The approval letter arrived here 8 days after it was dated.

Now that you mention it you are correct. 12052 does state that once an agency has your live scan it cannot require a new one. I stand corrected. Not sure what would drive the 30 day thing, but then again that letter has other issues too.

obeygiant
10-22-2010, 4:36 PM
Step Four-

Add that you will receive a letter from Amber informing you that your prints are back and to come down to 711 G within 30 days of the date of the letter. I can scan and send you a copy of my letter if you want it. If an applicant can't get into a class within 30 days of Live Scan I'd suggest holding off on prints until the class has been completed.

If you do scan the letter you can send it via


Email to:
ccw@calgunsfdn.org

Fax to:
866-733-6031

jb7706
10-22-2010, 4:41 PM
If you do scan the letter you can send it via


Email to:
ccw@calgunsfdn.org

Fax to:
866-733-6031


Done, via email.

epilepticninja
10-24-2010, 6:42 PM
Calling tomorrow to set up an appointment. I've have had CCW's in two other counties in California, and I don't remember it being quite this crazy. Oh well, I guess if you want the thing, you'll do what you have to do.

hitteam
10-25-2010, 11:18 AM
Can I skip the $122 live scan cuz I had already done a live scan while applying for Certificate of Eligibility(COE) a few months back?

Gray Peterson
10-25-2010, 11:21 AM
Can I skip the $122 live scan cuz I had already done a live scan while applying for Certificate of Eligibility(COE) a few months back?

No.

harbinger007
10-25-2010, 11:31 AM
Gray, why is that? See post #31 above and explain, please. Because it's another county?

CSDGuy
10-25-2010, 11:48 AM
The previous LiveScan had to be for a CCW. A COE is NOT a CCW... therefore you must do it again.

Gray Peterson
10-25-2010, 11:49 AM
Gray, why is that? See post #31 above and explain, please. Because it's another county?

The statute says:


PC12052(b) However, if the license applicant has previously applied to the same licensing authority for a license to carry firearms pursuant to Section 12050 and the applicant's fingerprints and fee have been previously forwarded to the Department of Justice, as provided by this section, the licensing authority shall note the previous identification numbers and other data that would provide positive identification in the files of the Department of Justice on the copy of any subsequent license submitted to the department in conformance with Section 12053 and no additional application form or fingerprints shall be required.

CSDGuy
10-25-2010, 11:58 AM
I've been LiveScanned by the SSD for other purposes, but not for carrying firearms and the SSD was NOT the recipient of the resulting clearance letter, therefore... I must be scanned again.

hitteam
10-25-2010, 2:27 PM
Gray & CSDGuy, thx for the clarification.

Doheny
10-25-2010, 3:37 PM
If you already have a CCW in another California county, why do you need another? Are your current permits restricted to the county off issue only?

Calling tomorrow to set up an appointment. I've have CCW's in two other counties in California, and I don't remember it being quite this crazy. Oh well, I guess if you want the thing, you'll do what you have to do.

harbinger007
10-25-2010, 3:43 PM
No and no.

dantodd
10-25-2010, 4:50 PM
If you already have a CCW in another California county, why do you need another? Are your current permits restricted to the county off issue only?

I suspect he meant "I've had" rather than "I've have" meaning the others were obtained in the past and are no longer valid.

harbinger007
10-25-2010, 5:04 PM
Since the last part of his questions asks if it's only valid in the county of issue, I read it otherwise. Nevermind.

Weekender
10-25-2010, 6:30 PM
The Sacramento page on CGF.org has been updated with the details of the process as we currently know them. If you have newer data, please post here so we can vet and update:
http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento

-Gene


This may be a dumb :TFH: question. Do you have to be a resident of the SAC county to obtain a CCW?

A frustrated LA county resident.

Weekender.
Florida / Utah / Nevada CCW holder

harbinger007
10-25-2010, 6:49 PM
If you work in Sacramento County or spend a significant amount of time here, I've read that you could be granted a CCW here but it would only be valid for 90 days LA is too crowded. Move north! :P

CSDGuy
10-25-2010, 6:54 PM
To get a standard 2 year CCW, yes, you have to be a resident of the County. 90 day CCW licenses are apparently quite rare... and they're valid only in the county where they were issued.

DGoodale
10-26-2010, 4:23 PM
LiveScan performed on 10/18.
I called the 24-hour Automated Telephone Service at 916-227-4557 today just to see how it works. You just need your ATI number on the bottom of your LiveScan form. The ATI number should be in the following sequence: 1 LETTER; 3 NUMBERS; 3 LETTERS and 3 NUMBERS.
I'm expecting my results letter this week, it certainly shouldn't take any longer, if I understood the recording correctly, as both the DOJ and the FBI returned results back on the same day the scan was performed. Training class this weekend.

surpip
10-26-2010, 6:36 PM
What can disqualify you from obtaining a CCW? Misdemeanor? Any Felony, or just those already prohibiting you from owning guns?

harbinger007
10-26-2010, 7:09 PM
What can disqualify you from obtaining a CCW? Misdemeanor? Any Felony, or just those already prohibiting you from owning guns?

We'll know more when some folks get denied and we hear about it, but this post by Gene should help: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5188612&postcount=169

dantodd
10-26-2010, 10:41 PM
Since the last part of his questions asks if it's only valid in the county of issue, I read it otherwise.

huh?

wildhawker
10-26-2010, 10:45 PM
What can disqualify you from obtaining a CCW? Misdemeanor? Any Felony, or just those already prohibiting you from owning guns?

Generally, with some exceptions, those items listed on the standard application as prohibiting conditions.

harbinger007
10-27-2010, 8:33 AM
huh?

Sorry, I got mixed up on who you were responding to.

Ajcrash
10-28-2010, 3:41 PM
So if someone was in a physical altercation 15 or so years ago, and was charged/convicted with either battery or assault; that person should forget about applying?

thebronze
10-28-2010, 8:30 PM
Now that you mention it you are correct. 12052 does state that once an agency has your live scan it cannot require a new one. I stand corrected. Not sure what would drive the 30 day thing, but then again that letter has other issues too.


SSD will not comply with PC 12052(b). I am exempt from the LiveScan requirement per that section (I was a prior recipient of an SSD CCW) and Amber said too bad, do it anyway.

So I did it anyway.

LiveScan - 10/22
DOJ completed - 10/25

harbinger007
10-28-2010, 10:31 PM
Wow, must have been the way you looked at her! Was your prior CCW fairly recent so that it used the current LiveScan system? This isn't a big enough issue to mount a big legal fight over, but I don't understand why they would push this way.

Chainmaile
10-29-2010, 12:05 PM
I'm up in Folsom. We're part of Sac County, but also our own incorporated city. Would I end up going through the same process as any other Sac County resident?

Gray Peterson
10-29-2010, 1:10 PM
I'm up in Folsom. We're part of Sac County, but also our own incorporated city. Would I end up going through the same process as any other Sac County resident?

Yes. City residents are not treated any differently. Please email Amber for an appointment.

Chainmaile
10-29-2010, 6:42 PM
Yes. City residents are not treated any differently. Please email Amber for an appointment.

Thank you very much, Gray. I'll be emailing her ASAP.

thebronze
10-31-2010, 10:04 AM
Wow, must have been the way you looked at her! Was your prior CCW fairly recent so that it used the current LiveScan system? This isn't a big enough issue to mount a big legal fight over, but I don't understand why they would push this way.


I don't think so, I was nice to her! :)

I talked to Gray about this recently and he eluded to something along those lines after I get the permit issued.

Gray Peterson
10-31-2010, 10:43 AM
I don't think so, I was nice to her! :)

I talked to Gray about this recently and he eluded to something along those lines after I get the permit issued.

Exactly. Best to not cause a major fight before permit is issued. Get licensed issue, then just file a financial claim. Get your self defense first.

thebronze
10-31-2010, 11:38 AM
Exactly. Best to not cause a major fight before permit is issued. Get licensed issue, then just file a financial claim. Get your self defense first.

:thumbsup:

hitteam
10-31-2010, 8:36 PM
Section 3 on the application --Descriptions of Weapons
What if I currently do not own any firearms that I would like to carry? Can I leave it blank or do I have to at least purchase one and put on the list prior to submit my application? Can I add 3 or 4 more pistols of my choice once I received my CCW?

CSDGuy
10-31-2010, 8:44 PM
Section 3 on the application --Descriptions of Weapons
What if I currently do not own any firearms that I would like to carry? Can I leave it blank or do I have to at least purchase one and put on the list prior to submit my application? Can I add 3 or 4 more pistols of my choice once I received my CCW?
Leave it blank. Amber really only will need that info when you turn in all your paperwork for final issuance. What that means is that you WILL need to buy (and pick it up) a handgun and qualify with it between the time you turn in the application and take the CCW course. Once you've got the License, you can add 2 more handguns to the license and you'd have to qualify with those as well.

harbinger007
10-31-2010, 10:03 PM
Section 3 on the application --Descriptions of Weapons
What if I currently do not own any firearms that I would like to carry? Can I leave it blank or do I have to at least purchase one and put on the list prior to submit my application? Can I add 3 or 4 more pistols of my choice once I received my CCW?

CSDGuy is right, that information was something I added to post #2 in this thread the other day (quote from Amber included).

saclsick6
11-02-2010, 12:17 PM
Made the phone call today for an appointment to deliver my application. :D

loves2shootstuff
11-03-2010, 7:19 PM
I've got my appointment tomorrow morning! :-)

supersonic
11-03-2010, 7:46 PM
Well, this forum wouldn't allow me to post a new thread, so I guess I'll just have to do it here:

For ALL who have past arrest(s) [with or without conviction(s)] and have been approved for CCW, please read below. It has been copied from 2 posts from another thread & seems to have more relevance here. Thanks.

It would be worthwhile, at some point, to close this thread and move the Sacto discussion to the Sacto thread in the CCW forum. Also, we would love to compile an anonymous list of past arrests/convictions which *did not* result in a CCW denial. This would help tremendously in understanding GMC contours at present.

What Brandon is saying here is of vital importance guys! 'Anonymous' being the key word, as we all know no one here wants their colorful past to be all over the web. However, if all of you that have any issues (no matter how major or insignificant) would just list them - even if it is for an unnamed acquaintance *and an APPROVAL was the result* - you will effectively be helping hundreds, maybe thousands of CCW applicants who are being discriminated against. Right now the Sheriff and his committee are of the belief that if a person has certain arrests 10, 15, or even 20 years in their past (without any convictions, and has NEVER been a prohibited person), that person is apparently incapable of being of good moral character. It is almost akin to a 'permanent black list' and it is unconstitutional. Not to mention it makes good, law-abiding citizens feel 'dirty,' 'guilty,' and causes some to second-guess the way they have been living their lives for so long within the eyes of the law.;)

saclsick6
11-03-2010, 8:56 PM
How long does it usually take for Amber to give a call back for your apointment?

harbinger007
11-03-2010, 9:01 PM
If you don't get through to her directly, her voice mail box is usually full. I haven't heard of someone who actually got to leave a voice mail. I just tried several times before I got through. It's probably best to just e-mail her if you don't get through to her in person. Her e-mail address is on the CGF page linked by Gene above. I e-mailed her twice today for some questions about a particular handgun and she replied very promptly.
EDIT: With the new online appointment system put in place in December 2010 (see details in post #1 of this thread), the comments above do not apply to current applicants.

saclsick6
11-03-2010, 9:05 PM
Thank you, I did make it to her voice mail. Left a message. No call back yet. I will send her an email.

pyromensch
11-03-2010, 9:39 PM
i sent her an email on a friday, and got an email on monday, setting uo the interview in late january. you may be looking at feb- mar

fourtytwo
11-03-2010, 9:52 PM
I sent an email 11-1 for an appointment and got a reply back today, 11-3 offering an appointment date of 1-5-11.

thanks to calguns on all your hard work on this. I never thought I'd ever consider applying for a permit until I moved out of this state. Expect my support and the support of my friends and family in the future.

harbinger007
11-04-2010, 9:35 AM
I sent an e-mail to Amber yesterday asking if I could have a weapon with two different barrels (i.e., .40 S&W and Sig .357) on my permit and she reported back I could. She said I could either list it as two weapons or list one weapon with both calibers. She then responded to a follow-up question and said I would need to qualify with the same weapon twice with both barrels since it technically becomes a different weapon when the barrel is changed.

I've read in other counties where they require that everything on the handgun must be original with no laser sights, etc. Makes me glad that I'm in Sacramento County! :)

Edit: Here is a link to a separate thread on this matter with a post that includes the quoted response. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5236697&postcount=10 I also report later in that thread that my CCW did arrive with both calibers listed for that weapon.

kimberpro1911
11-04-2010, 2:32 PM
I sent and email to Amber on 11-3, recieved a reply from her today offering appointment for 1-13...

tiko
11-04-2010, 8:23 PM
I have an appointment for CCW application at Sacramento Sheriff Department. Please if you have already gone through this, tell me :
1- They need 2 forms of ID, CA drive license and...?
2- Where is the good place to park, I know that Sac Sheriff address is 711 G st, downtown always crowded and lacks of parking garage.
I appreciate your helps.

TIKO

jb7706
11-04-2010, 8:53 PM
I have an appointment for CCW application at Sacramento Sheriff Department. Please if you have already gone through this, tell me :
1- They need 2 forms of ID, CA drive license and...?
2- Where is the good place to park, I know that Sac Sheriff address is 711 G st, downtown always crowded and lacks of parking garage.
I appreciate your helps.

TIKO

1. Not in my case.
2. On street, or in the garage across the street from th SO office.

dantodd
11-05-2010, 1:56 AM
SSD will not comply with PC 12052(b). I am exempt from the LiveScan requirement per that section (I was a prior recipient of an SSD CCW) and Amber said too bad, do it anyway.

So I did it anyway.

LiveScan - 10/22
DOJ completed - 10/25

If your previous livescan was employment related with CCW as a side benefit rather than specifically for a CCW that might be the difference.

thebronze
11-05-2010, 9:17 AM
If your previous livescan was employment related with CCW as a side benefit rather than specifically for a CCW that might be the difference.

The Penal Code doesn't say anything about that, so I'd tend to doubt that there's a difference. The Penal Code is pretty cut/dried on that.

Gray Peterson
11-05-2010, 10:14 AM
If the Livescan/fingerprinting was for a CCW issued by the sheriff, it qualifies under the law. The question, of course, is whether or not it applies forward only or if it's retroactive.

dantodd
11-05-2010, 2:11 PM
The Penal Code doesn't say anything about that, so I'd tend to doubt that there's a difference. The Penal Code is pretty cut/dried on that.

12052(b)However, if the license applicant has previously applied to the same licensing authority for a license to carry firearms pursuant to Section 12050 and the applicant's fingerprints and fee have been previously forwarded to the Department of Justice, as provided by this section

My layman's reading of that is it only applies if the fingerprints and fee were forwarded specifically for a 12050 application. This would mean that if the livescan was done for a job it wouldn't count. That appears to also be the way that Sac. sees it. It is also, IMO, too much of a fringe case to pursue really.

thefinger
11-07-2010, 2:24 PM
I'm expecting to have my permit in-hand within the month. Once I have it, I'm planning on keeping it. Therefore I would like to be 100% on the processes for annual re-qualification and biennial renewals.

Is there a form to complete for each? Or do we simply show up at 711 G Street with our re-qualification/renewal paperwork? Is there a specific window of time preceding the 1-year (for re-qual) and 2-year (for renewal) date that we have to provide the qual/renewal paperwork?

I have seen ZERO on the actual process for renewal and re-qualification. It would be nice to see this added to the SacSheriff website, or at least added to the CalGuns site that Gray posted at the start of this thread.

Anyone have this knowledge yet?

hoffmang
11-07-2010, 3:00 PM
We'll know in 2 years from last January :)

-Gene

thefinger
11-07-2010, 3:04 PM
We'll know in 2 years from last January :)

-Gene

Well if you don't know yet then at least I'm in good company. :p

Uriah02
11-07-2010, 3:11 PM
The training should be offered by the Sheriff at no charge. The department has a huge range that goes unused a great deal of the time. Would be easy to open it up to people seeking permits or just knowledge/training for home use at no cost.

One of the many reasons I had hoped you were elected instead.

Lone_Gunman
11-09-2010, 11:42 AM
Is there anything that can be done about the tiny time window for turning in all required paperwork at the end of the process? Tuesdays between 9 and 11 AM. They are currently turning away people as early as 9:30 AM because they have too many people waiting to turn in their paperwork. The letter that came for the DOJ Livescan results said we have 30 days to turn in our paperwork and now they are turning people away. Can anyone from CGF et al. address this?

Shenaniguns
11-09-2010, 11:58 AM
I am 100% in favor of training, and any CCW holder that does not seek out training and regular practice is not acting responsibly IMO, but requiring someone to lay out hundreds of dollars in fees and training is entirely wrong IMO.


I agree

thebronze
11-09-2010, 12:20 PM
I'm expecting to have my permit in-hand within the month. Once I have it, I'm planning on keeping it. Therefore I would like to be 100% on the processes for annual re-qualification and biennial renewals.

Is there a form to complete for each? Or do we simply show up at 711 G Street with our re-qualification/renewal paperwork? Is there a specific window of time preceding the 1-year (for re-qual) and 2-year (for renewal) date that we have to provide the qual/renewal paperwork?

I have seen ZERO on the actual process for renewal and re-qualification. It would be nice to see this added to the SacSheriff website, or at least added to the CalGuns site that Gray posted at the start of this thread.

Anyone have this knowledge yet?

I was wondering the same thing. I haven't heard/read ANYTHING about annual re-quals and just assumed that it was something SSD wasn't enforcing.

saclsick6
11-11-2010, 3:48 PM
I have my appointment, January 19th.

hoffmang
11-11-2010, 8:31 PM
Well if you don't know yet then at least I'm in good company. :p

Oh... I know. I'm just saying that people will tell me I'm wrong until they have incontrovertible proof on that timeline...

-Gene

pro-nra
11-12-2010, 4:25 PM
New to the board…very informative. My appointment with Amber is not till the 26th of January. What do you all think are my chances of getting approved in Sacramento County CCW? In addition to the request that “I wish to carry a firearm for self defense and the defense of my family”, I will make a couple of other points I will make on a separate letter I will turn in with my application:
• I am a 100% service connected disabled veteran with 22+ years of active duty service (will submit DD214 with my application).
• I am a citizen of the utmost moral character. My background have been extensively investigated and cleared by the US government and granted a security clearance. My security clearance is active and valid to July 2019. I have attached verification of my security clearance.

I figured a security clearance investigation is more intensive and in depth than what background check the DOJ will do for CCW and hoping they will not turn down my application. What do you all think?

hoffmang
11-12-2010, 8:38 PM
What do you all think are my chances of getting approved in Sacramento County CCW? In addition to the request that “I wish to carry a firearm for self defense and the defense of my family”, I will make a couple of other points I will make on a separate letter I will turn in with my application:

You have a 100% chance of getting a CCW in Sac as long as you don't have a criminal past.

-Gene

harbinger007
11-12-2010, 11:23 PM
New to the board…very informative. My appointment with Amber is not till the 26th of January. What do you all think are my chances of getting approved in Sacramento County CCW? In addition to the request that “I wish to carry a firearm for self defense and the defense of my family”, I will make a couple of other points I will make on a separate letter I will turn in with my application:
• I am a 100% service connected disabled veteran with 22+ years of active duty service (will submit DD214 with my application).
• I am a citizen of the utmost moral character. My background have been extensively investigated and cleared by the US government and granted a security clearance. My security clearance is active and valid to July 2019. I have attached verification of my security clearance.

I figured a security clearance investigation is more intensive and in depth than what background check the DOJ will do for CCW and hoping they will not turn down my application. What do you all think?

Hoofmag knows the percentage odds better than me but I agree that it would look that your odds are 100% even without your additional points of information. I had a "long version" of a good cause statement but took Brandon's recommendation and just cut it back to the "short and sweet" version and got approved. Save yourself the trouble and keep it short and just answer the questions they ask.

Congrats on being in Sacramento County!

CSDGuy
11-12-2010, 11:59 PM
New to the board…very informative. My appointment with Amber is not till the 26th of January. What do you all think are my chances of getting approved in Sacramento County CCW? In addition to the request that “I wish to carry a firearm for self defense and the defense of my family”, I will make a couple of other points I will make on a separate letter I will turn in with my application:
• I am a 100% service connected disabled veteran with 22+ years of active duty service (will submit DD214 with my application).
• I am a citizen of the utmost moral character. My background have been extensively investigated and cleared by the US government and granted a security clearance. My security clearance is active and valid to July 2019. I have attached verification of my security clearance.

I figured a security clearance investigation is more intensive and in depth than what background check the DOJ will do for CCW and hoping they will not turn down my application. What do you all think?
As to good cause, that's all you'll need. You won't need anything else. Your security clearance won't mean a whole lot specifically as it's not for a CCW Firearms background. Since your info/prints will already be on file, a return from the FBI should be VERY quick though. If they look beyond the info provided on a Firearms Background check to see if you're a good, trustworthy, moral guy, then your previous security clearance might help.

While I think I remember seeing a section on the application that asked if you're military or previous military, I don't recall seeing anything about clearances. I'd say you should omit that unless asked to provide the info. Your DD214 will suffice for proof of military service, if that's necessary.

In reality, you basically stand a 100% chance of getting a CCW as long as you don't have any recent adverse contacts with law enforcement. All you need to do is just apply, and you've got your appointment for that!

JeepFreak
11-13-2010, 5:44 AM
To clear up one point of confusion, the Sacramento Sheriff Department's printed documents linked above mention that permits are restricted and invalid within 1,000 feet of a school zone.

That policy was rescinded earlier this month and communicated to all existing permit holders via a letter dated October 5th, a copy of which is located in another discussion thread at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5123094&postcount=44 For a good copy of said, letter, please refer to the pdf linked in Gene's post at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5128428&postcount=61.

Strange... my wife never got a letter... and she's an SSD employee!
Billy

harbinger007
11-13-2010, 7:50 AM
Strange... my wife never got a letter... and she's an SSD employee!
Billy

Strange indeed. jb7706 posted a scanned copy of his letter somewhere (generic salutation) which you could find and print out but it's probably best to e-mail Amber (address is shown on http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento) and ask her for a letter. The cleanest thing is to buy another handgun, qualify with it, and get it added so she gets a new license. :)

jb7706
11-13-2010, 9:09 AM
Strange indeed. jb7706 posted a scanned copy of his letter somewhere (generic salutation) which you could find and print out but it's probably best to e-mail Amber (address is shown on http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento) and ask her for a letter. The cleanest thing is to buy another handgun, qualify with it, and get it added so she gets a new license. :)

And my permit didn't even have the restriction. Lemme know if you can't find my post and I'll email it you ya.

pro-nra
11-14-2010, 6:07 PM
Thanks all for the replies. No criminal record of any kind (otherwise my clearance will be gone ASAP). Will submit my DD214.

The application only have space for 3 weapons. Are we limited to just 3 weapons? I would like to list 4 if I could. Thanks all.

CSDGuy
11-14-2010, 6:46 PM
Sacramento (IIRC) limits you to 3 listed weapons. There's no statutory limit, just a local policy. Some Counties limit you to whatever number will physically fit on the License... ;)

Chops
11-14-2010, 6:50 PM
Have my appointment with Amber on January 20th. Can't wait to get the process started.

harbinger007
11-14-2010, 7:50 PM
And my permit didn't even have the restriction. Lemme know if you can't find my post and I'll email it you ya.

Toolbox X posted a scanned copy of his letter at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5123094&postcount=44

Gene also posted a copy of a very clean copy at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5128428&postcount=61

Anybody that has the restriction on their permit and didn't get a letter should just print out a copy and keep it with them, though I still like the idea of buying another handgun and getting it added so you just get a new permit without the restriction. Who wants to carry around a big piece of paper on them? ;)

jb7706
11-15-2010, 4:12 PM
Toolbox X posted a scanned copy of his letter at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5123094&postcount=44

Gene also posted a copy of a very clean copy at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5128428&postcount=61

Anybody that has the restriction on their permit and didn't get a letter should just print out a copy and keep it with them, though I still like the idea of buying another handgun and getting it added so you just get a new permit without the restriction. Who wants to carry around a big piece of paper on them? ;)

Fixed it for ya.

WDN41
11-15-2010, 4:24 PM
Had my livescan prints taken on Nov 4 and have no reults as of today.
They should not have found anything in my background, Am I just being
impatient or should I inquire if there is a problem? Where?

harbinger007
11-15-2010, 5:13 PM
You're just being impatient. I had my LiveScan done on 10/23, I believe, and got my letter from Amber on 11/9. She told me that she needs to get a certified copy of the report from the DOJ.

Further up in this thread I have the phone number and information on how you can check the status of your LiveScan with the DOJ, though it doesn't give any sort of indication on what the report includes.

WDN41
11-16-2010, 6:50 AM
You're just being impatient. I had my LiveScan done on 10/23, I believe, and got my letter from Amber on 11/9. She told me that she needs to get a certified copy of the report from the DOJ.

Further up in this thread I have the phone number and information on how you can check the status of your LiveScan with the DOJ, though it doesn't give any sort of indication on what the report includes.

Guess I didn't make myself clear. I have been callimg the Livescan number
(916-227-4557) daily since Nov 4 and have been hearing "No applicant
status information available"
I have seen numerous postings from people receiving clearance within 2
or 3 days

thebronze
11-16-2010, 9:43 AM
Guess I didn't make myself clear. I have been callimg the Livescan number
(916-227-4557) daily since Nov 4 and have been hearing "No applicant
status information available"
I have seen numerous postings from people receiving clearance within 2
or 3 days

You're not doing it right.

The ATI number should be in the following sequence: 1 LETTER; 3 NUMBERS; 3 LETTERS and 3 NUMBERS.

harbinger007
11-17-2010, 7:27 AM
Renewals of CCW

I posted this in the other "long" thread but thought it should get posted here (maybe I'll copy it into one of my earlier posts so it's not buried so far).

When I completed my paperwork for my new CCW yesterday I spoke to someone renewing his as we waited in the SSD lobby. Two others who came in also were for renewals (a young well-dressed lady and a young guy with baggy jeans and loose athletic shoes). He's a bail bondsman and FFL and I think he said he's had his CCW 6 or 8 years. He told me that we're not allowed to renew our CCW earlier than two weeks before it expires.

I asked Amber about this and she said the two week window is used to synchronize with the DOJ, though I didn't ask what that meant. She said that they were probably going to go to an appointment-only system for completing paperwork for new and renewal CCWs so that the lengthy wait times could be avoided.

Some form needs to be completed for renewal. The guy I spoke with had not filled his paperwork yet and filled it out while I was there. It looked to be two full pages. At least one other person renewing had their paperwork filled out already. Probably would be a good idea to get this form from Amber before going in for renewing. Maybe she would e-mail it to you, if asked.

samonya
11-18-2010, 7:28 PM
So I have an appointment to turn in my app coming up, my history is pretty clean except for one incident when I was 15 over a decade ago, I was picked up for curfew and vandalism with damages under $1000. The supervisor who gave me this info in records said there was no arrest, no detention or court, just 6 months informal probation. I remember I was picked up and taken straight home. The application says to put down any arrests. Should I include this in my app to be safe or leave it out? Do you think I will be denied on this basis ?

Shenaniguns
11-18-2010, 7:30 PM
So I have an appointment to turn in my app coming up, my history is pretty clean except for one incident when I was 15 over a decade ago, I was picked up for curfew and vandalism with damages under $1000. The supervisor who gave me this info in records said there was no arrest, no detention or court, just 6 months informal probation. I remember I was picked up and taken straight home. The application says to put down any arrests. Should I include this in my app to be safe or leave it out? Do you think I will be denied on this basis ?


Well they know now :D

Lone_Gunman
11-18-2010, 8:43 PM
Help spread the word that Sacramento County has gone Shall Issue for CCWs! Print out some copies of the 2 page flyer below and take them in to your Sacramento area gun stores, feed stores, tractor supply places, and anywhere else you think people interested in a CCW may be.


PDF of flyer is Here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=75844&d=1290145082

Calguns Foundation logo/artwork used with permission.

Blackhawk556
11-21-2010, 10:07 PM
Why does livescan cost so much?
$122??

About a 18 months ago I paid for livescan for three people (mom,sister, me) and it was $160 total. Have prices really gone up so much?

dantodd
11-21-2010, 10:24 PM
Why does livescan cost so much?
$122??

About a 18 months ago I paid for livescan for three people (mom,sister, me) and it was $160 total. Have prices really gone up so much?

I had to be livescanned recently and the cost was something like $20 or so from a private livescan service but the .gov agency that I was being printed for probably paid the remainder.

harbinger007
11-21-2010, 11:41 PM
When I went in for LiveScan last month a lady in front of me paid something like $60-$65. I asked the clerk (?) why I had to pay so much more and he said a more extensive check is done for CCWs. He said a lot of other LiveScans are done for registered nurses, etc. Amber also told me later that she has to get a certified copy of the DOJ clearance before mailing me a letter; I don't know if that's done for the other uses. I think it's just a rip-off by the state. I think it should be $20 unless they can find some real dirt on me. ;)

Swift Justice
11-22-2010, 6:21 AM
Livescan vendors can essentially charge what they want for the "rolling fee"- some vendors are listed by DOJ here: http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/publications/contact.php
In addition, there are other fees that are mandated by DOJ and FBI depending on what you want the livescan for.
Last year when I had my PC832 livescan done it was $121 (fortunately paid for by my agency).

CSDGuy
11-22-2010, 9:01 AM
There are certain fees for LiveScan that are set that are MUCH lower than what we pay... However, a "Peace Officer - Firearms" background and CCW License background has to be much more thorough. The LiveScan for an EMT or Paramedic is much lower... The DOJ fee is $32 and the FBI fee is $19 to process their background checks. Throw in a rolling fee of (say) $12 and you're at: $63. When they do those backgrounds, they just look for certain specific offenses, and MOST of them only count against you if you've committed them within the past 5 years. It's possible to be legal to work as an EMT or a Paramedic and be prohibited from firearms ownership and it's possible to be OK to own/purchase a firearm and be denied certification/licensure as an EMT or Paramedic...

Best, however, to NOT have to worry about either...

Swift Justice
11-22-2010, 10:56 AM
AFAIK a CORI is a CORI - The EMT/EMT-P livescan is the same as any other livescan that includes CA DOJ, FBI, and subsequent arrest. That is, it shows the same information (arrests, convictions, military convictions, etc.) including juvenile convictions. The only thing SCSO might be getting additionally for an increased fee is maybe a CAIC check, and whatever the certified letter fee cost from DOJ is (EMT/EMT-P's don't require an actual certified letter from DOJ).

I do know that being a livescan operator is a profit center for the operator. The livescan for a CCW could be done anywhere, not just at the Sheriff's Office (EMT/EMT-P's can be done anywhere in the state). The reason that SCSO mandates that you must go to them for the livescan? Money maker for the SCSO, plain and simple.

bababooey
11-23-2010, 11:10 PM
Can you list on your application, a firearm that is listed on a different CCW??

I have a family members' (in law enforcement) compact 40 that I love to use but it is not registered to myself and in previous post's, it was mentioned that the gun didn't need to be registered to yourself. I have my own but this would be #3 on my app

Thanks in advance

harbinger007
11-23-2010, 11:44 PM
I believe that would be okay.

Although I listed my 3 weapons on my application, I later learned that Amber told others that they could leave that section blank on the application and that you can just bring the list of weapons once you've been approved and have qualified with them at the range. At this point in the process, you've already been approved, passed LiveScan, etc. and there was never any questions asked if the guns listed on my application or range qualification certificate were owned by me.

Best to send Amber an e-mail to get the official word. I've heard folks from some counties who have said that the gun must be owned by you to be on your CCW.

Gundam
11-26-2010, 1:48 PM
Having in been in LE a few years ago, would my livescan be valid or will I have to redo it?

Shenaniguns
11-26-2010, 1:49 PM
Having in been in LE a few years ago, would my livescan be valid or will I have to redo it?

Redo

Swift Justice
11-26-2010, 4:11 PM
Re-do it, unless told otherwise. I had a livescan done for a PC832 class a year ago and was told I would need to have one done. Generally, when you do a livescan for a licensing entity for a first time application, you have to do one even if you just had it done for someone else. (for example, an EMT-P license applicant who just had a livescan for a license would have to have a separate one done for an ambulance driver's certificate)

loves2shootstuff
11-28-2010, 6:55 AM
Has anyone reached out to Amber about getting the livescan done at a private location with lower fees (such as the ones listed @ http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/publications/contact.php#sacramento) vs the 3 choices listed on the approval letter? I'd much rather pay $21 @ a UPS Store than $122 at the PD.

wildhawker
11-28-2010, 11:18 AM
Has anyone reached out to Amber about getting the livescan done at a private location with lower fees (such as the ones listed @ http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/publications/contact.php#sacramento) vs the 3 choices listed on the approval letter? I'd much rather pay $21 @ a UPS Store than $122 at the PD.

The problem is that part of the $122 is the DOJ $95 fee assessed to the Livescan operator. DOJ changed the way they bill out CCW background checks about a year ago, therefore the local agencies are collecting that as well. Ergo, your $122 is about right for the DOJ + local fingerprint fees.

loves2shootstuff
11-28-2010, 11:47 AM
Thanks Wildhawker!

hoffmang
12-04-2010, 7:27 PM
Sacramento is now taking appointments for carry related activities online. Thanks to Sweaty Bullitts for posting this in his thread here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=369511).
Currently we are scheduling all of our appointments through an automated appointment center. Please follow the link below and it’ll direct you through the process and get you all scheduled. (Currently no available appts until feb)

http://sacsheriff.checkappointments.com

Have a wonderful Day!

~Amber

-Gene

harbinger007
12-04-2010, 7:49 PM
Wow, that's got to help a lot. Amber told me on 11/16 that they would probably go to an appointment system for renewals, but hadn't mentioned they were working on the automated system. When I was there some folks had their CCWs expire as they were unable to get in because of the long line.

I better bookmark this and schedule my renewal appointment soon (it expires 2 years from yesterday)! :P

Edit: Wow, I just booked my appointment for November 2012! :) Per Amber and a long-time CCW holder waiting in line with me last month, renewals are supposed to be done within two weeks prior to the CCW expiring (but not earlier).

I also observed that they take appointments from 9:00am up until noon, an expansion of 1 hour.

CSDGuy
12-04-2010, 8:25 PM
The problem is that part of the $122 is the DOJ $95 fee assessed to the Livescan operator. DOJ changed the way they bill out CCW background checks about a year ago, therefore the local agencies are collecting that as well. Ergo, your $122 is about right for the DOJ + local fingerprint fees.
I think that what's being said is that it would be "nicer" to go to a place that charges, say, $21 or $12 for the rolling fee instead of $27, as the SSD charges. The $95 is going to have to be paid regardless and the results would be sent directly to the SSD anyway. So, instead of being mandated to use one of the SSD's 3 sites... any LiveScan place should be OK.

CSDGuy
12-04-2010, 8:28 PM
Being that I already have my training class scheduled, I have also scheduled my date/time to turn in the paperwork for final issuance... ;)

wildhawker
12-04-2010, 10:03 PM
CSD, let's first make CA shall issue and work on that $10-15 delta following.

CSDGuy
12-04-2010, 11:46 PM
CSD, let's first make CA shall issue and work on that $10-15 delta following.
I'm all for making CA go Shall Issue first. Making the full background check $10-15? That can come later. What would be nice would be to not lock the applicant into a specific set of locations to get the Live Scan done and let the applicant decide what works best for them. After all, if the SSD wants only SSD locations used and make things even more expensive, why not start charging a $80 rolling fee on top of the DOJ fees?

After all, Sac PD charges a $52 rolling fee. SSD charges only $27. (Only 3rd most expensive)

The cheapest in the County is $10 and the most expensive is $52....

wildhawker
12-05-2010, 12:14 AM
CSD, you're finding issues where they don't exist. If any Sheriff tried to bump the cost of a roll for only CCWs, we'd be all over it. If they bumped all rolls in order to spite CCW applicants, the entire county would be all over it. Not going to happen.

We're working on an option for "roll at any DOJ Livescan operator", but it will take time. In the meantime, I'm sorry that folks are paying $10 more than the UPS store to have a permit they could not get 2 years ago.

Rights first, fees next.

CSDGuy
12-05-2010, 12:28 AM
CSD, you're finding issues where they don't exist. If any Sheriff tried to bump the cost of a roll for only CCWs, we'd be all over it. If they bumped all rolls in order to spite CCW applicants, the entire county would be all over it. Not going to happen.

We're working on an option for "roll at any DOJ Livescan operator", but it will take time. In the meantime, I'm sorry that folks are paying $10 more than the UPS store to have a permit they could not get 2 years ago.

Rights first, fees next.
Really, all I would like to see is just the above. Eventually. Lowering the background fees? Different issue.

harbinger007
12-08-2010, 12:14 PM
I just obtained clarification from Amber on the documentation for annual requalifications with handguns on our CCW. I had asked if we needed an appointment to bring in those certificates and she said:

No.. When it comes to annual requals, I just need you to either fax, mail or e-mail em to me.. I only need to see you when it’s time to renew.

wentbig
12-10-2010, 4:45 PM
I read the requirements on the Sac SO web site. It looks like if I work in Sac County and spend most my time there, I can apply in Sac.
Right or wrong?

harbinger007
12-10-2010, 4:49 PM
You can, but such a license would only be issued for 90 days and it's reportedly never done.

wildhawker
12-14-2010, 3:39 PM
The Sheriff has updated the website with new guidelines; see post#1 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5129647&postcount=1) or www.gotcarry.org for more info.

harbinger007
12-14-2010, 4:36 PM
The Sheriff has updated the website with new guidelines; see post#1 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5129647&postcount=1) or www.gotcarry.org for more info.

That's great that they've improved the explanation of the process. The only small item that would be good to add is on the annual qualifications submission which I posted four posts above (mail or fax in).

wildhawker
12-14-2010, 4:40 PM
That's great that they've improved the explanation of the process. The only small item that would be good to add is on the annual qualifications submission which I posted four posts above (mail or fax in).

Added to our guide here: http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento.html

ccwtrainer
12-14-2010, 11:40 PM
Gary,

Excellent, accurate info.

Thanks.

Wes

quiet-wyatt
12-15-2010, 5:06 PM
Added to our guide here: http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ccw-initiative/122-sacramento.html

Also, I think Step 3 in the "To get a new CCW Permit within Sacramento County:" should include the "Good Cause Statement" on a separate sheet of paper. That's what I was instructed to do by Amber... (My appointment is tomorrow!)

Thanks for the clear Step-by-Step instructions - It was a HUGE help in understanding the process!

Rugerdaddy
12-16-2010, 4:49 PM
Sacramento is now taking appointments for carry related activities online. Thanks to Sweaty Bullitts for posting this in his thread here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=369511).


-Gene

I checked it out; it looks great! Good job Sac Sheriff's Dept.

Also, I received my approval today. I had been out of town for a week. It was mailed the 14th, so probably arrived the 15th. Nice Christmas present! Now, on to live-scan, etc. :)

brassburn
12-17-2010, 11:23 AM
I checked it out; it looks great! Good job Sac Sheriff's Dept.

Also, I received my approval today. I had been out of town for a week. It was mailed the 14th, so probably arrived the 15th. Nice Christmas present! Now, on to live-scan, etc. :)

I turned in my app on 11/17, hopefully I'll see something soon.

Rugerdaddy
12-17-2010, 11:44 AM
I turned in my app on 11/17, hopefully I'll see something soon.

I submitted mine the 18th. You'd better keep checking that mail! Good luck. :)

p.s. going for my Live-scan today

Swift Justice
12-17-2010, 12:24 PM
I also submitted my app on the 17th of November. As of this moment check not cashed, and no approval letter. Maybe they are not processing them in order received?

jzapara
12-17-2010, 1:13 PM
I turned in my application for a CCW permit yesterday. From the time I called Amber till my appointment was about 6 weeks. I also used the new online appointment system last night to set an appointment for my wife, and she got scheduled about 3 months out.

I was surprised at how different the vibe was compared to my experience in 2007. I applied 3 years ago and was denied due to lack of good cause. My experience was very positive this go around. I spoke with 2 friendly case managers, and all my paperwork was received without incident. For those in the same date range as my application, you may find this bit of info interesting. The officer told me that the next committee review in on January 12th. He said if approved, I will get a letter about 1 week after that date with followup instructions. We shall see.

m4r
12-17-2010, 9:01 PM
I am excited to finally be able to exercise my right to carry in Sacramento. I made my appointment today for the last week in March. The online system made it a breeze.

Can anyone provide some insight into what the face to face interview entails? I'd like to hear from some folks who have already made it through this sit-down interview portion. What exactly goes on during this interview? Is it just a formal question/answer session or is there a more informal banter and does the officer try to get a "read" on you character.. ie..Will I feel like I'm being sized up?

I would rather be prepared than be intimidated by the unknown.

Thank you all. Love this community..been lurking a while but finally made my first post!

harbinger007
12-17-2010, 9:55 PM
Welcome, m4r!

There are a few summaries in another thread, and here is a very good one. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5313291#post5313291

I've linked the old thread in the second post of this thread and you can use the "Search this thread" button and search for "Wright' to get some other posts, but this should do you fine. The staff is very courteous and professional so there's no need to worry about anything other than the traffic getting there, etc. ;)

Rugerdaddy
12-17-2010, 11:06 PM
I am excited to finally be able to exercise my right to carry in Sacramento. I made my appointment today for the last week in March. The online system made it a breeze.

Can anyone provide some insight into what the face to face interview entails? I'd like to hear from some folks who have already made it through this sit-down interview portion. What exactly goes on during this interview? Is it just a formal question/answer session or is there a more informal banter and does the officer try to get a "read" on you character.. ie..Will I feel like I'm being sized up?

I would rather be prepared than be intimidated by the unknown.

Thank you all. Love this community..been lurking a while but finally made my first post!

All the detective does is ask about your experience with guns. I found him very friendly. I felt as though he and the others were really trying to help me get through the CCW application process, but insuring that I knew how to use a handgun. It was a very positive experience. I never felt like I was being "sized up", nor was anyone getting a read on my character.

Rugerdaddy
12-17-2010, 11:17 PM
Got my Live Scan today at Rockingham Drive station. I was in and out in about 15 minutes, including waiting a few minutes for somebody in front of me. The woman officer was professional and friendly. She asked why I wanted a CCW, but in a benign way, not implying there was anything wrong with it. She was just interested.

Soon I'll have my CCW. :) Who'da thought?

CSDGuy
12-17-2010, 11:30 PM
Got my Live Scan today at Rockingham Drive station. I was in and out in about 15 minutes, including waiting a few minutes for somebody in front of me. The woman officer was professional and friendly. She asked why I wanted a CCW, but in a benign way, not implying there was anything wrong with it. She was just interested.

Soon I'll have my CCW. :) Who'da thought?
I've had my prints done at Rockingham and at the Florin Service Centers for different purposes. Personally, I like the people over at Rockingham better, but the day I did my LS at FSC for the CCW, the lady doing the prints was very cordial, almost pleasant. Business-like for sure, and very efficient about it. I guess I didn't get the grumpy one that day. ;)

My brief experiences with Amber and Det. Wright have been nothing but positive, if not supportive. They both seemed to really want to get their jobs done in the best way they could.

I do know that I'll be seeing Amber again on Tuesday... :D

brassburn
12-18-2010, 9:59 AM
Interviewed on 11/17 and received my approval letter in the mail today.

Many thanks to the CGF and others who's efforts made it all possible!

sacsalvage
12-18-2010, 3:04 PM
Submitted my application and had my interview on 11/17 as well and I also received my approval letter today! Thanks CGF!!

ChrisTKHarris
12-18-2010, 4:15 PM
Got my acceptance letter today!

My appointment was on December 1st and the letter is dated December 9th.

RP1911
12-18-2010, 4:41 PM
Got mine too! Time for another donation.

ChrisTKHarris
12-18-2010, 4:42 PM
I remember when I went in for the application the SSD investigator said that I was the one of the youngest applicants he's seen. I'm 24 and I know that Lateralus is also 24 and has his.

Anyone younger than 24?

Andy Taylor
12-18-2010, 4:45 PM
Got mine too! Time for another donation.

Congrats. My appt is in Feb.

RP1911
12-18-2010, 6:56 PM
Thanks! Expect that your appointment may move up.

FlyboyJS
12-18-2010, 10:30 PM
Had my appt on Nov 18th like others here and got my approval letter this past Thurs. Woke up early in the morning Fri to be at Rockingham Station at 7:30AM (well that is what the Sheriff website said it opened) needless to say I was an hour and a half too early. Had breakfast nearby to wait out the time and was first in at 9AM when they opened. I too had a very nice experience with the fingerprinting and was out of there in 15 mins. Now the wait is on for the background check to come back. I guess it's about 30 days or so for it to come back. Although I think I saw a post somewhere that their background came back in 2 days. Either way I'll wait it out.

CSDGuy
12-18-2010, 11:54 PM
In my case, both Federal and State electronic returns were less than 24 hours. It took a few days for the hard copy letter to reach Amber though. That's what she wants/needs to have in hand, even though she knows right away that your background check is complete and what the results are. I suppose that this is one benefit from having my prints done a few times over the years... The FBI and DOJ do have my prints on file somewhere and certainly NOT for criminal activity. That and I probably have precious few entries so doing a background check should be easy and a half.

Swift Justice
12-19-2010, 6:18 AM
Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Clause! App turned in 11/17, Approval letter dated 12/9 arrived yesterday 12/18. Thank you CGF, I never thought that I would ever get a CCW permit in California. Donation will be coming!

Now off to get livescanned. I too have been full body printed so many times for various stuff that I must have a DOJ frequent flier number.

BTW, my son who is 21 has an initial appointment in January, that may well make him the youngest applicant (turned 21 one month ago).

FlyboyJS
12-19-2010, 7:43 AM
In my case, both Federal and State electronic returns were less than 24 hours. It took a few days for the hard copy letter to reach Amber though. That's what she wants/needs to have in hand, even though she knows right away that your background check is complete and what the results are.

How do you know if yours came back so fast? Is there some place online one could check the status of livescan?

harbinger007
12-19-2010, 8:06 AM
How do you know if yours came back so fast? Is there some place online one could check the status of livescan?

The automated phone system is described in post 14 on page 1 of this thread, see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5169096&postcount=14

obeygiant
12-19-2010, 8:37 AM
The automated phone system is described in post 14 on page 1 of this thread, see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5169096&postcount=14

Added your post on the Automated LiveScan updates to the first post in the thread.

FlyboyJS
12-19-2010, 3:34 PM
Thanks for pointing me to the automated system.

Chops
12-19-2010, 7:20 PM
One more month till my appt. Cannot wait. If I get approved I am treating myself to a new handgun. Thanks for all the hard work you guys are doing.

truthseeker
12-20-2010, 1:36 PM
These applications are different.

http://www.sacsheriff.com/organization/office_of_the_sheriff/images/ccw_app.pdf

http://calgunsfoundation.org/downloads/documents/DOJ_CCW_App_Fillable.pdf

The one from SacSherriff looks more standardized and the other one from Calguns has text already added for a couple of the questions (question number 10 and the good cause statement).

I have my appointment soon and I need to know, which one is everyone using (the first or the second link)?

wildhawker
12-20-2010, 1:56 PM
The form is the same, but some useful text has been pre-entered into the version at our download section. We've also made it easy to fill out, as the entire form is now enter-able in Acrobat Reader vs printing and hand-writing.

Make sure you keep a copy of everything you do for your records.

These applications are different.

http://www.sacsheriff.com/organization/office_of_the_sheriff/images/ccw_app.pdf

http://calgunsfoundation.org/downloads/documents/DOJ_CCW_App_Fillable.pdf

The one from SacSherriff looks more standardized and the other one from Calguns has text already added for a couple of the questions (question number 10 and the good cause statement).

I have my appointment soon and I need to know, which one is everyone using (the first or the second link)?

RP1911
12-20-2010, 4:23 PM
Approval was waiting for me when I returned from a trip Saturday. LiveScan done today.

wuluf
12-20-2010, 5:05 PM
Waiting patiently for my permit. Tomorrow will be two weeks, which Amber said was the time-frame.

jzapara
12-20-2010, 5:09 PM
When is the best time to schedule my training for the CCW. I had my initial application appointment, and the interviewer told me the committee meets on Jan 12th. Should I wait until I get my approval letter and get live scanned, or get going sooner?

harbinger007
12-20-2010, 5:51 PM
I think you can do you safely do your training anytime between now and late January and you'll be fine unless you have any arrests in your history that you think the approval might be uncertain.

Keith(CA)
12-20-2010, 6:12 PM
The form is the same, but some useful text has been pre-entered into the version at our download section. We've also made it easy to fill out, as the entire form is now enter-able in Acrobat Reader vs printing and hand-writing.

Make sure you keep a copy of everything you do for your records.
The Sacramento provided form is also fillable. Not sure why the CalGuns form provides fillable input for Section 7 since it is a no-no to fill out ahead of time. Applicants are required to leave Sections 6, 7, and 8 blank. Whoever accepts your application (Amber in my case) at the Sheriff's office will cover sections 6, 7, and 8 in person, fill out the answers provided verbally right there on the spot, and then cosign the form as a witness. The information filled in for Section 2, question #10 on the CalGuns form looks good.

Rugerdaddy
12-20-2010, 6:17 PM
When is the best time to schedule my training for the CCW. I had my initial application appointment, and the interviewer told me the committee meets on Jan 12th. Should I wait until I get my approval letter and get live scanned, or get going sooner?

I went ahead and did mine before my initial appointment. When the detective asked for any documentation I might have showing handgun training I handed him my CCW/NRA Pistol Course certificate. He took a copy of it; it couldn't have hurt, I got my approval last week.

ccwtrainer
12-20-2010, 10:59 PM
When is the best time to schedule my training for the CCW. I had my initial application appointment, and the interviewer told me the committee meets on Jan 12th. Should I wait until I get my approval letter and get live scanned, or get going sooner?

You can certainly do your training anytime now. The certificate of completion that you'll receive from your 16 hour initial course will be valid for 1 year. The shooting proficiency qualification will be good for 6 months. You'll be well through the whole process with the Sheriff's Department before then.

The only reason I would recommend that anyone wait is if they have something in their background that might disqualify them.

harbinger007
12-21-2010, 12:12 AM
You can certainly do your training anytime now. The certificate of completion that you'll receive from your 16 hour initial course will be valid for 1 year. The shooting proficiency qualification will be good for 6 months. You'll be well through the whole process with the Sheriff's Department before then.

The only reason I would recommend that anyone wait is if they have something in their background that might disqualify them.

Wes, in another (long) thread for Sacramento CCWs there was some question on exactly how long a training certificate was valid for. In that discussion, I don't believe there was any distinction made between the training course or the qualification and a person or two thought it was good for 90 days, but we couldn't find any reference for this. Can you tell us where we can find the information that shows the period these are good for. I'm not implying I don't take your word on it, but it would be a good reference for others to have this information documented. Several folks have held off on training specifically because they didn't want it to expire before they reached that stage of the application process.

Thanks!

CSDGuy
12-21-2010, 12:25 AM
Wes, I was told that since my previous training was taken too long ago, I had to take a CCW training course. That's why I was in your class last week. ;)

In any event, Amber advised me that they want you to have taken the training within the past 2 years. In the long thread referenced here, they'd really like the training to have occurred within the previous 90 days. In any event, if you're not sure you'd be approved, wait for the approval letter. Then take the training and do the Live Scan. If you're certain you'll be OK, do the training while waiting to turn in your application. That way, you do your Live Scan shortly after the approval and once you get the final OK, you just set up the appointment to turn in the certificate of completion and qual cards and you're GTG. That's about as short of a time frame as you will be able to make things go. The rest is out of your hands.

FlyboyJS
12-21-2010, 7:26 AM
Nov 18th - turned in app
Dec 16th - received approval letter
Dec 17th - did livescan
Today - checked the automated system and my background check for both FBI and DOJ have been completed and requesting agency has been notified

wilson_wwsc
12-21-2010, 9:02 AM
what is the format for the good cause letter?

Rugerdaddy
12-21-2010, 10:35 AM
what is the format for the good cause letter?

Mine looked like this, typed on Word, printed on 8 1/2 x 11 paper:

Details of Reason for Applicant desiring a CCW License



I am requesting a CCW license for the purpose of fill in the blank and the protection of fill in the blank.



Signature
First and Last Name
Street Address
Town, CA Zip

That simple. It worked for me. Name and address withheld for obvious reasons, and statement truncated because others on Calguns have stated that we shouldn't publish our statements. But, I'm sure you know what you want to say.

wilson_wwsc
12-21-2010, 10:44 AM
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. Just needed the format. =)

CSDGuy
12-21-2010, 12:11 PM
Just to let y'all know: I had my visit with Amber today. I was in and out in about 10 minutes, signing the rice paper and providing my thumb print... I was also told that I should expect to receive my rice paper, laminated in style for sure, in:

One or two Allison's. (2-4 weeks). ;)

Lone_Gunman
12-22-2010, 8:43 AM
Just a FYI... I've had my permit and been carrying for almost a month and they just got around to cashing my final papers check yesterday. I gave it to them 11/16.

rocknut
12-22-2010, 10:52 AM
I just applied online and have an appt for April 6th. Thanks to everyone who put in the hard work to make this possible.

WDN41
12-22-2010, 11:05 AM
Does anyone know how long the wait is between the livescan
results being sent to Amber and getting your approval?
I did the livescan on 11/4. FBI sent results on 11/17, and Ca. DOJ
sent results to Sac Sherriff on 11/23. It's been almost a month
and I have not heard a word on approval or denial

Drivedabizness
12-22-2010, 12:52 PM
I just applied online and have an appt for April 6th. Thanks to everyone who put in the hard work to make this possible.

Does that man the process is now taking 6+ months? Not complaining but that seems kinda messed up.

pyromensch
12-22-2010, 7:26 PM
Just a FYI... I've had my permit and been carrying for almost a month and they just got around to cashing my final papers check yesterday. I gave it to them 11/16.


well! it looks like you are going to have to change your "handle" in this county

pyromensch
12-22-2010, 7:28 PM
Does anyone know how long the wait is between the livescan
results being sent to Amber and getting your approval?
I did the livescan on 11/4. FBI sent results on 11/17, and Ca. DOJ
sent results to Sac Sherriff on 11/23. It's been almost a month
and I have not heard a word on approval or denial

usually, you don't hear them, they just bash in your door, and come in guns blazing. good luck:)

harbinger007
12-22-2010, 8:54 PM
Does anyone know how long the wait is between the livescan
results being sent to Amber and getting your approval?
I did the livescan on 11/4. FBI sent results on 11/17, and Ca. DOJ
sent results to Sac Sherriff on 11/23. It's been almost a month
and I have not heard a word on approval or denial

It only took 18 days to receive my letter after getting my LiveScan but some others took over a month. I wrote in the other Sacramento thread that Amber said that it takes a while for her to receive a certified letter from the DOJ but I expect some of the delay is due to some of the backlog of work processing CCWs in Sacramento. Hopefully, you're less than a month from having your CCW in your wallet!

Does that man the process is now taking 6+ months? Not complaining but that seems kinda messed up.

Things are taking longer now than when I applied since the word has got out more that Sacto is essentially "shall issue". Despite tight budgets in the Sheriff's Department, they have got more people helping process applications but the wait time is longer. I called for my appointment on 7/21 and was able to come in on 9/2 (and my CCW was received 12/4). That seemed like a long time at the time, but it's much worse now. According to the online appointment system (go to the CalGuns CCW initiative page linked in the first post of this thread and go from there), the next appointment dates now available are in April. Fortunately, they are increasing staff time allocated to this as I see they take appointments on Wednesdays and Thursdays now (used to be just Thursdays). Fortunately, you know that you are pretty much are assured of being approved as long as you don't have any serious legal problems in your history, so it's worth the wait.

hedo59
12-23-2010, 8:56 PM
First of all Thanks to everyone here for the help and encouragement. A few things about the appointment
First, they are now asking for your good cause statement to be on a seperate piece of paper, not the page in the packet and they want that done prior to the appointment.
2. Even though it was supposed to be with Amber Wong, I never met her. The first part was with a retired officer who was brought in to help with the backlog. After a short time with him where he just checked to be sure the packet was filled out correctly and I signed the forms in the packet. I was taken to an interview room. A detective went over the packet and asked a few questions. I will try to remember all of them. After the interview the detective described the rest of the process and told me the 3 person committee would meet again in Jan. and I would hear back soon after that. They also ran a background check on me while I was waiting to talk to the detective.

the questions in no particular order.


How long have you been shooting?
When did you get your first gun? First handgun?
Have you ever had any training?
Does your employer know you are applying for a permit?

These are all I can remember but if I remember anything else I will post it.

Now just waiting for the yeah or nay...

Have a happy and safe (armed) holiday

HuyTLe
12-23-2010, 11:44 PM
very informative thread, thank you everyone. I plan on applying for my ccw in the near future. What is a good place to obtain the 16hr ccw training?

Chops
12-24-2010, 9:45 AM
Does your employer know you are applying for a permit?

I wasn't planning on telling my boss because I know I can't carry where I work. If your wondering, I work for a grocery store chain stocking overnight. Not telling my boss would that be a deniable factor ? Thanks

Chad

hedo59
12-24-2010, 12:14 PM
I work in health care and there is a very strict no weapons policy on their property. So I won't carry there. However I don't feel that they have a reason or a right to know what I do legally outside of work.

I do not think that is a deniable problem.

thefinger
12-24-2010, 1:10 PM
I wasn't planning on telling my boss because I know I can't carry where I work. If your wondering, I work for a grocery store chain stocking overnight. Not telling my boss would that be a deniable factor ? Thanks

Chad

I work in health care and there is a very strict no weapons policy on their property. So I won't carry there. However I don't feel that they have a reason or a right to know what I do legally outside of work.

I do not think that is a deniable problem.

If you're not going to carry at work, then you have no reason to tell your employer. Simply tell the interviewing detective that you aren't planning on carrying at work. It won't be a problem.

Rugerdaddy
12-24-2010, 1:56 PM
He asked me if I had notified my employer. I said, "I'm a teacher." He said, "Oh, you won't be carrying at work anyway, so it doesn't matter." He went on to say that they ask that for persons who may do company work (delivery, maintenance, etc.) in outside areas where they want to carry, so then the employer would need to know. If you have no plans to carry while on the job, the SSD doesn't care if you notify your employer or not.

harbinger007
12-24-2010, 2:26 PM
That seems to be a bit of a nanny policy. If someone has an employer who does not have a firearms policy and it's not prohibited, why does the SSD need to be involved?

Fortunately, I'm self-employed and it wasn't an issue for me as I'd already talked to myself about it. ;)

Chops
12-25-2010, 8:20 PM
If you're not going to carry at work, then you have no reason to tell your employer. Simply tell the interviewing detective that you aren't planning on carrying at work. It won't be a problem.

Cool, Thank you for that info.

Chad

ccwtrainer
12-27-2010, 8:53 AM
Wes, in another (long) thread for Sacramento CCWs there was some question on exactly how long a training certificate was valid for. In that discussion, I don't believe there was any distinction made between the training course or the qualification and a person or two thought it was good for 90 days, but we couldn't find any reference for this. Can you tell us where we can find the information that shows the period these are good for. I'm not implying I don't take your word on it, but it would be a good reference for others to have this information documented. Several folks have held off on training specifically because they didn't want it to expire before they reached that stage of the application process.

Thanks!

Sorry, I've been gone for a few days. I received that information from a close friend who spoke to Amber Wong directly during his CCW process. I asked him to ask several questions, these time limits being a couple of them. He called me right after he left his meeting with Amber. She told him 1 year for the course and 6 months for the shooting proficiency qualification.

I would also like to be able to reference this somewhere. Maybe if someone has an appointment with Amber, they can ask where to find documented information regarding the length of time the CCW course and qualification is good for. As busy as she is, that seems to be the only way to effectivly communicate with her.

harbinger007
12-27-2010, 9:24 AM
Thanks, Wes.

Since you're providing training services, I think it would be appropriate for you to e-mail Amber regarding this information. I've e-mailed her previously and posted her information here (i.e., two barrels for same weapon okay, annual qualifications get submitted via mailed/faxed/e-mail) and she responded promptly.

CSDGuy
12-27-2010, 1:11 PM
very informative thread, thank you everyone. I plan on applying for my ccw in the near future. What is a good place to obtain the 16hr ccw training?
HuyTLe: there are several places that do CCW training around here. All the Security Academies do, however, you'd be lumped in with all the security guards. Wes (ccwtrainer) has a 16 hour program that's good for Sacramento. All he covers is CCW stuff. The main thing with him is that hes much more flexible than the academies in terms of scheduling. He's very passionate about this stuff. I would definitely recommend him for training. He is a bit more expensive than the Academies, but less expensive than Ron Etchells (?). You'll learn a lot anyway, no matter who you go to... but definitely consider Wes for your training.

In any event, regardless of who does your initial training, you owe it to yourself to seek out more knowledge and training than what you get in your 16 hour class.

ccwtrainer
12-27-2010, 8:54 PM
Thanks, Wes.

Since you're providing training services, I think it would be appropriate for you to e-mail Amber regarding this information. I've e-mailed her previously and posted her information here (i.e., two barrels for same weapon okay, annual qualifications get submitted via mailed/faxed/e-mail) and she responded promptly.

Funny, I've e-mailed her several times on a few different subjects and have never received a reply. In fact, I have an e-mail in right now asking the very question that we're discussing just so I can have a paper document that I can reference later. Based off of my past experiences, I don't expect a response.

Although it's a bit frustrating, I really don't hold it against her. I know that she's extremely busy with the drastic increase in CCW applications. And, I'd much rather her process one more CCW applicant than take the time to answer questions that I can get answered through other methods.

If any of you have had luck with e-mailing Amber in the past, please do regarding the length of time that the CCW course and qualification are good for and let me know if and/or when you receive a response.

Thanks.

By the way, what was the reply regarding the two barrels for the same weapon question? That's one that I've asked and never received a response on months ago.
Nevermind. I found your post on this near the bottom of page 2 in this thread. Thanks!

CSDGuy
12-27-2010, 9:19 PM
Two barrels for the same frame would be considered two pistols, generally speaking. Otherwise, they wouldn't have a "caliber" section on the license or the application.

harbinger007
12-27-2010, 10:27 PM
CSD, see my post referred to by Wes. My FNP-40 is listed on one line with calibers of .40 and .357. I was required to present a qualification with both the .40 S&W and .357 Sig barrels since it was considered a separate weapon in the modified configuration. In effect, I have four weapons listed on my CCW since I was left room for two lines with the FNP-40 only taking up one line.

tonb
12-27-2010, 10:57 PM
Quick potentially dumb question, when you do a livescan there are 3 copies of the application. 1 for the livescan operator (he kept it), 1 for me (I kept it) and 1 for the Sheriff's dept. So the question is, what am I supposed to do with that copy for the sheriff's dept, send it to them now or include with training proof?

CSDGuy
12-27-2010, 11:22 PM
CSD, see my post referred to by Wes. My FNP-40 is listed on one line with calibers of .40 and .357. I was required to present a qualification with both the .40 S&W and .357 Sig barrels since it was considered a separate weapon in the modified configuration. In effect, I have four weapons listed on my CCW since I was left room for two lines with the FNP-40 only taking up one line.
Yep. In effect, your FNP-40 was treated as two different firearms. It's a great thing that they listed both calibers on one line. They could have simply listed that pistol on two different lines as if they were different firearms. You had to qualify with it as if it was two different guns. It's awesome that they did that for you though!

ccwtrainer
12-27-2010, 11:59 PM
I'm about to qualify one of my close friends with his Glock 33 that way. I'll watch him shoot the gun once with each caliber and write the qualification as:
"Glock 33 .357SIG/.40S&W SN: xxxxxxxx"
He'll be happy to find out that someone else has already done it.

harbinger007
12-28-2010, 7:33 AM
Amber had told me I could list the same handgun on two separate lines if I wanted (one for each caliber), but I told her I needed that line for something else. ;) Someone else from another county replied in my other thread (linked last night in my post on page 2 of this thread) and their county did it the same as the way mine is listed.


Quick potentially dumb question, when you do a livescan there are 3 copies of the application. 1 for the livescan operator (he kept it), 1 for me (I kept it) and 1 for the Sheriff's dept. So the question is, what am I supposed to do with that copy for the sheriff's dept, send it to them now or include with training proof?

Just wait and give it to them when you complete your final paperwork. If I recall correctly, Amber said she didn't really need it since she already had the LiveScan results but she took a copy and left me with one anyways.

RP1911
12-29-2010, 5:29 PM
DOJ completed their check yesterday. FBI did it the same day as the livescan.

ccwtrainer
01-01-2011, 11:25 AM
Amber Wong did in fact get back to me via e-mail quite promptly. This is a very pleasant change from July - October 2010. Here's what I asked on my second correspondence with her, as I don't believe that I made my request completely clear in my first attempt:

Amber,

I was specifically trying to find, in writing, the amount of time my initial class, my renewal class and my shooting proficiency qualifications are valid for. What I mean is, if someone were to take and pass an initial class with a shooting proficiency qualification today, 12/28/10, what is the maximum amount of time that they have before you'll not accept it and require them to retake the class and/or the qualification?

I get asked this all of the time and I really don't have a straight answer to give.

Wesley Lagomarsino


Here's Amber's reply:

All classes/certs we consider valid for 2 years.. Range qualifications are valid for one year only.

~Amber



I don't think I could have been anymore clear in my question and Amber's response is pretty clear, cut and dry. However, this totally goes against what one of my instructors was told when he spoke with her in person and against what harbinger007 was told previously. All I can say is that if this ever comes into question for anyone during their process, get in contact with me and I'll forward you the entire e-mail correspondence that I had with Amber so you can print it out and present it to her.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

Sincerely,

Wes

Mstrty
01-01-2011, 8:33 PM
That should put an end to that question.

harbinger007
01-01-2011, 9:24 PM
I don't think I could have been anymore clear in my question and Amber's response is pretty clear, cut and dry. However, this totally goes against what one of my instructors was told when he spoke with her in person and against what harbinger007 was told previously. All I can say is that if this ever comes into question for anyone during their process, get in contact with me and I'll forward you the entire e-mail correspondence that I had with Amber so you can print it out and present it to her.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

Sincerely,

Wes


Thanks, Wes.

To clarify, I had not been told anything about the length of time training or qualifications were valid from Amber. In posts 5 and 15 of this thread (on page 1) I referred to other members that had indicated that training was valid for 90 days and linked to one of those posts, but we never could find any official indication of that from the SSD. Thankfully, you've got that clarified!

justcor
01-01-2011, 9:36 PM
Has anyone done this. If you qualify with 4 or 5 pistols will they be allowed or is 3 the hard limit?

CSDGuy
01-01-2011, 9:41 PM
They allow only 3.

harbinger007
01-01-2011, 9:42 PM
Three is the hard limit in Sacramento County per policy (not law). The only way to sort of have more than three is to have different barrels for some of those three handguns.

cdennyb
01-01-2011, 10:42 PM
4 handguns is the limit in Butte county. I just added my 4th one last month for $10. to the sheriff and $20 for the range fee at Chico Rod & Gun Club facility. They meet the 1st and 3rd friday of the month about 6pm.

bruss01
01-04-2011, 11:36 AM
Turned in my class completion cert with the 3 handguns listed on it.

They were breaking in a new guy today so my process took a little longer than it should in the future. I was scheduled for a 9:30 appt (LOVE the online scheduling app!), arrived at 9:15, and barely sat down when I and another fellow (already there for his 9:20) were called up.

Very straightforward. Hand over the cert, sign the blank license, thumbprint *here* and *here*. Told it would arrive via cert mail in 7-14 days.

Wow, can't believe the long-awaited day is finally here! I've been pursuing this since Sept 28th and not letting the grass grow under my feet (taking each step as promptly as humanly possible). I will soon see that rare and elusive beast... a CA CCW!

Now if my holster would only arrive!!

ccwtrainer
01-05-2011, 12:24 AM
Has anyone done this. If you qualify with 4 or 5 pistols will they be allowed or is 3 the hard limit?

Sacramento County only allows up to 3 guns on their CCW permits. I would like to see it be unlimited but CA PC 12051(a)(1) requires that the license "contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber." Because of this requirement, Sac County determined that they could only fit 3 on the permit.

brassburn
01-05-2011, 7:59 AM
Turned in my class completion cert with the 3 handguns listed on it.

They were breaking in a new guy today so my process took a little longer than it should in the future. I was scheduled for a 9:30 appt (LOVE the online scheduling app!), arrived at 9:15, and barely sat down when I and another fellow (already there for his 9:20) were called up.

Very straightforward. Hand over the cert, sign the blank license, thumbprint *here* and *here*. Told it would arrive via cert mail in 7-14 days.

Wow, can't believe the long-awaited day is finally here! I've been pursuing this since Sept 28th and not letting the grass grow under my feet (taking each step as promptly as humanly possible). I will soon see that rare and elusive beast... a CA CCW!

Now if my holster would only arrive!!

Very nice! I'm just waiting for the DOJ to send the certified letter to them so I can make my final appointment. The livescan results for both FBI and DOJ were sent to them the same day as the scan. It's a shame they don't accept the electronic results as they are. It would streamline the process somewhat for them as they would not have to handle even more mail and write more letters than they already do.

hedo59
01-06-2011, 7:06 PM
In Sacramento, or California for that matter, when you have gotten your coveted CCW, what other weapons are covered? We have stupid laws saying you can carry a folding knife concealed but not a fixed blade. Would this be covered under the CCW? I know that collapsable batons are illegal except for police/security etc, any chance they would be allowed?

Truly I don't expect much leeway with this but it would seem to me that if we have our license to carry concealed firearms that a less lethal alternative would be approved.

If anyone has heard anything about this please post it and let us know. Until then I will go back to my room and keep chanting to the gods of CCW's to approve my application and let me get going onto the next step.

Be safe all.

jb7706
01-06-2011, 7:48 PM
In Sacramento, or California for that matter, when you have gotten your coveted CCW, what other weapons are covered? We have stupid laws saying you can carry a folding knife concealed but not a fixed blade. Would this be covered under the CCW? I know that collapsable batons are illegal except for police/security etc, any chance they would be allowed?

Truly I don't expect much leeway with this but it would seem to me that if we have our license to carry concealed firearms that a less lethal alternative would be approved.

If anyone has heard anything about this please post it and let us know. Until then I will go back to my room and keep chanting to the gods of CCW's to approve my application and let me get going onto the next step.

Be safe all.

Your permit covers only the guns on your permit and nothing else.

RP1911
01-06-2011, 8:17 PM
Wonder if you can put down a neck nife. Be interesting to see what the training requirement would have to be.

It is a weapon. :rolleyes:

truthseeker
01-06-2011, 8:20 PM
What is the average time before they cash your check?

jb7706
01-07-2011, 2:31 PM
Wonder if you can put down a neck nife. Be interesting to see what the training requirement would have to be.

It is a weapon. :rolleyes:

PC 12050 says:

(a)(1)(A)The sheriff of a county, upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying satisfies any one of the conditions specified in subparagraph (D) and has completed a course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may issue to that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of the following formats:

So, no.

RP1911
01-07-2011, 6:36 PM
^^I knew that. Hence the roll eyes.

Edneck
01-09-2011, 7:22 AM
Hey guys I have not seen this one asked yet. About 20 years ago I held a ccw permit in Shasta County were I lived at the time. When I moved to Sac County, Shasta County would not renew me when the time came since I no longer lived in that County.I was told was back then that I had not been in Sac County a year and it was nearly impossible to get a permit. So I just never even bothered to apply. I currently have an appointment in April to turn in my application. Anyone see any issues I should be prepared for?

loves2shootstuff
01-09-2011, 7:54 AM
There is a question on the application that asks if you've ever held or applied for a CCW before. I believe you'll have an opportunity to provide details on that in your interview.

Edneck
01-09-2011, 8:01 AM
Yes I saw that I will just answer yes to it. I ASSUME at my interview they will ask about that. I was just trying to be prepared for any thing I may not have thought of. Thanks Much for the reply.

epilepticninja
01-09-2011, 10:25 AM
I suspect he meant "I've had" rather than "I've have" meaning the others were obtained in the past and are no longer valid.

Oops, dt is correct, I forgot to add the word "had." When I was a Level 1 reserve deputy, I lived in a different county from where I worked, so I had a CCW from that county. When I left the SO I moved to a different county and worked for the local police department as a Level 2, so I had to get a CCW from that county. My process might have been easier since I was a reserve at the time of application. Still had to meet with the sheriff's and qualify like everyone else though. I just remember the fees and hoopla being a whole lot less than what Sac Co. requires.

ccwtrainer
01-11-2011, 1:08 AM
Hey guys I have not seen this one asked yet. About 20 years ago I held a ccw permit in Shasta County were I lived at the time. When I moved to Sac County, Shasta County would not renew me when the time came since I no longer lived in that County.I was told was back then that I had not been in Sac County a year and it was nearly impossible to get a permit. So I just never even bothered to apply. I currently have an appointment in April to turn in my application. Anyone see any issues I should be prepared for?

No issues whatsoever based on what you stated. A previous denial based on those circumstances won't even be given a second look. Go in there confident, knowing that you, just like every other good guy in Sac County who applies, are about to be issued your CCW permit!!

brassburn
01-11-2011, 7:25 AM
It won't be a problem. I also had a permit about 15 years ago. I stated it where asked on the application and it didn't draw a single comment or question.



Hey guys I have not seen this one asked yet. About 20 years ago I held a ccw permit in Shasta County were I lived at the time. When I moved to Sac County, Shasta County would not renew me when the time came since I no longer lived in that County.I was told was back then that I had not been in Sac County a year and it was nearly impossible to get a permit. So I just never even bothered to apply. I currently have an appointment in April to turn in my application. Anyone see any issues I should be prepared for?

hedo59
01-11-2011, 6:50 PM
I had a CCW back when Chief Eugene Byrd was being called a crazy radical because he was issuing them from Isleton. The detective said oh you had one from isleton. That was the total amount that it came up. I did not have a denial because when my expired Chief Byrd had left Isleton PD and was running Sac County Sheriff.

Rugerdaddy
01-11-2011, 9:45 PM
Dropped off my final paperwork this morning; I should have my CCW by the end of January! I arrived 20 minutes early, they saw me right away, and I was out before my actual appointment time. The officer who took my paperwork mentioned that last year they were processing 10 to 20 applications per month, and now they're up to 100 to 120 per month. That's a lot of people with guns walking around!

I feel safer already.:yes:

wildhawker
01-11-2011, 9:49 PM
Dropped off my final paperwork this morning; I should hve my CCW by the end of January! I arrived 20 minutes early, they saw me right away, and I was out before my actual appointment time. The officer who took my paperwork mentioned that last year they were processing 10 to 20 applications per month, and now they're up to 100 to 120 per month. That's a lot of people with guns walking around!

I feel safer already.:yes:

That what I would consider a huge win. Excellent and thanks for sharing.

MTG Firearms
01-12-2011, 6:45 AM
Gene and Branden

I have pm'd both of you a question before I apply. Please let me know so that I can get an appointment scheduled. Thanks for all the work.

Lrchops
01-12-2011, 11:13 AM
The training should be offered by the Sheriff at no charge. The department has a huge range that goes unused a great deal of the time. Would be easy to open it up to people seeking permits or just knowledge/training for home use at no cost.

Makes sense! There are many things the new Sheriff should be doing!!! No one seems to know his direction. Only that he is an attorney who has only worked in the jail. Not in a patrol car, not in detectives, not on special teams.

Folks are sceptical! We were hoping for a Joe Arpaio or Sheriff Mack style sheriff, but it looks like we may have the status quo politician attorney for sheriff! Who knows, maybe we will be surprised in the future!

foreppin916
01-12-2011, 8:05 PM
Im new to calguns and do not know how to post a thread. I live in sacramento and have a couple CCW app questions someone plz help!!:)

Me1
01-12-2011, 8:29 PM
Im new to calguns and do not know how to post a thread. I live in sacramento and have a couple CCW app questions someone plz help!!:)

Have you look here yet, lots of info. Sacramento is easy, but it takes time.
http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative

ChrisTKHarris
01-12-2011, 8:55 PM
Im new to calguns and do not know how to post a thread. I live in sacramento and have a couple CCW app questions someone plz help!!:)

Feel free to send a PM my way if you need help.

epilepticninja
01-13-2011, 10:45 AM
I went an hour before my appointment time for my initial interview and there was a total of three of us. I was in and out in about 20 minutes. On my way back thru the lobby to get my CDL, there were probably 20+ people in there.

GutPunch
01-13-2011, 12:20 PM
Heads up. The Sac County info page has an old link to the Application PDF. New link is http://www.sacsheriff.com/organization/office_of_the_sheriff/images/ccw_app.pdf

Ajcrash
01-13-2011, 4:57 PM
Has anyone been issued a permit who may have had some youthful indiscretions yet, something over 13-15 years ago? No felonies, but a record of some sort none the less?

Rugerdaddy
01-13-2011, 6:17 PM
Has anyone been issued a permit who may have had some youthful indiscretions yet, something over 13-15 years ago? No felonies, but a record of some sort none the less?

If it was actually "youthful" it isn't on record and you can ignore it. If it was when you were a "youthful" adult, then it may be relevant. I have the former, so it was unnecessary to mention it.

rbetts
01-13-2011, 7:58 PM
Had my appointment this morning and met Amber and the rest of the folks. The detectives interviewing were concerned that several people in the lobby did not have appointments and wanted to know if Calguns had some erroneous info about not needing an appointment. Needless to say they were a little concerned.

Best advice is be prepared. Questions were as outlined and process was very efficient. I came at exactly the right time and went past about 7 others who "didn't have appointments" Those 7 were still sitting there 20 minutes later when I had completed the process and was on my way.

hoffmang
01-13-2011, 8:11 PM
Had my appointment this morning and met Amber and the rest of the folks. The detectives interviewing were concerned that several people in the lobby did not have appointments and wanted to know if Calguns had some erroneous info about not needing an appointment. Needless to say they were a little concerned.

I hope you told them that there is no such thing on here. I do enjoy that they know where the volume comes from though. The department has become a pleasure to work with.

-Gene

rbetts
01-13-2011, 8:32 PM
I told them Calguns would have none of it and that if there were such disinformation, we would set it straight accordingly. They are really really doing a great job in helping us get the process moving. I saw a total of 5 Employees working on the CCW interview process this morning. I was really impressed. The Sheriffs Department Company picnic and Christmas party will be well funded this year thanks to our support!!

jb7706
01-13-2011, 9:18 PM
I saw a total of 5 Employees working on the CCW interview process this morning.

A 500% increase over a few months ago. Ain't it grand?

gatdammit
01-13-2011, 11:03 PM
If you work in Sacramento County or spend a significant amount of time here, I've read that you could be granted a CCW here but it would only be valid for 90 days LA is too crowded. Move north! :P

Is this true? I do spend quite a bit of time up there. I would say I'm there a few times a week, from the East Bay. Am I eligible? I've never heard of the 90 day thing either.

harbinger007
01-13-2011, 11:17 PM
Is this true? I do spend quite a bit of time up there. I would say I'm there a few times a week, from the East Bay. Am I eligible? I've never heard of the 90 day thing either.

Sacramento would need to be your place of employment. It's in PC 12050, see http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1/3/s12050:

(ii)If the licensee's place of employment or business was the basis for issuance of the license pursuant to subparagraph (A) of paragraph (1), the license is valid for any period of time not to exceed 90 days from the date of the license. The license shall be valid only in the county in which the license was originally issued.

I've read that such permits are seldom, if ever, issued. It would be easier to just move. ;)

WDN41
01-14-2011, 7:49 AM
I hope you told them that there is no such thing on here. I do enjoy that they know where the volume comes from though. The department has become a pleasure to work with.

-Gene

There are, in fact various posts here and at CALCCW indicating that the
Thursday application turn in time is a real crowd scene, and that one
should show up early.That, of course has changed with the new on-line
appointment system.
The application package should clearly indicate that on-line appointments
are the way to go.

pbchief2
01-14-2011, 12:25 PM
I had my interview recently, I'm nervous about getting denied due to an arrest 17 years ago. I was fingerprinted and released. No charges, it was someone else. Should I worry?