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obeygiant
10-14-2010, 11:20 PM
**LAWSUIT FILED, UPDATE IN POST #123**

UPDATE 2014 Dec 19: Warnke won the Nov 4th election. Cavallero has decided to retire on Dec. 27th. Warnke has stated that he shall accept mere "self-defense"/"Personal protection" as sufficient Good Cause. Start preparing now to apply after Warnke revises the SO CCW policy in early January. (Use your time to decide what gun/s you want on your permit, try out holsters, practice CCing at home, get in some more shooting practice, etc.).

Merced Co SO's CCW webpage: http://www.co.merced.ca.us/index.aspx?NID=1918

Update 2015 Jan 17: The City of Merced's Police Dept's "CCW_Process.pdf" no longer even mentions Good Cause in its Requirements section. See:
http://www.cityofmerced.org/depts/police/concealed_weapon.asp
This gives residents of the city of Merced another option besides applying directly with the sheriff. fyi the PD does require a psych eval (costing you time, money, and effort). I do not know if Sheriff Warnke will require that when he publishes his CCW policy.

keneva
10-18-2010, 2:56 PM
Lets rock and roll.

Kicker0429
10-18-2010, 7:43 PM
Merced county is not accepting applications.

wildhawker
10-18-2010, 7:49 PM
Merced county is not accepting applications.

Yet.

Stay tuned. :43:

mean72nova
10-18-2010, 7:50 PM
sweet, can't wait

JuzDuky
10-19-2010, 1:35 PM
I'm also here from Merced County!

jaime7818
10-21-2010, 8:38 AM
I'm also here from Merced County!

Me too!

rivraton
10-22-2010, 4:39 PM
How about some more sponsors?

rivraton
10-28-2010, 5:35 PM
How many gun shops are in the county?

Kicker0429
10-28-2010, 9:09 PM
How many gun shops are in the county?

What does that have to do with CCW?:confused:

rivraton
10-29-2010, 11:04 AM
Looking for possible vendor sponsors...

JuzDuky
10-30-2010, 10:39 AM
How many gun shops are in the county?

There are 3:

1. Gunrunner
Gerry or Sandy Mitchell
2040 Yosemite Parkway
Merced , CA 95340
(209) 723-3006

2. Stone's Gun Shop
Bill Martin
Martin Luther King, Jr. Hwy.
Merced, CA 95340
(209) 726-3995

3. Hillside Range
Jerry Bartholomew
931 E. Pacheco Blvd.
Los Banos, CA 93635
(209) 827-0270

Kicker0429
11-05-2010, 2:55 PM
Our wait is nearly over. Thanks Wildhawker! :hurray:

Kicker0429
11-08-2010, 10:22 PM
If you have been waiting to apply in Merced County, then your wait is over. PM me or Wildhawker and we will instruct you.

Gray Peterson
11-09-2010, 1:12 AM
If you have been waiting to apply in Merced County, then your wait is over. PM me or Wildhawker and we will instruct you.

"CRY HAVOC! AND LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR!!!!"

dantodd
11-09-2010, 8:04 AM
Congrats.

greasemonkey
11-10-2010, 9:19 PM
Merced county is not accepting applications.

That's what Merced County thinks, for now :D:43:

Purple K
11-10-2010, 11:22 PM
Can we get this on Pay Per View?

Kid Stanislaus
11-11-2010, 12:07 AM
A friend I work with recently got his CCW in Merced County so now is the time to jump in there and give it your best shot.

greasemonkey
11-11-2010, 7:58 AM
I want to see his response to all the Christmas cards disguised as Carry License apps.:D

Can we get this on Pay Per View?

Gray Peterson
11-11-2010, 9:23 AM
A friend I work with recently got his CCW in Merced County so now is the time to jump in there and give it your best shot.

Uh...what?

Kicker0429
11-11-2010, 1:02 PM
Wouldn't it be interesting if Sheriff Pazin's moratorium on accepting CCW applications did not apply to all? I smell a PRAR coming :D

wildhawker
11-11-2010, 2:13 PM
:whistling:

Smokeybehr
11-16-2010, 1:18 PM
I hope I'm not the only one that notices that sections 218.3.2(b), (c), (e), and (f), as well as 218.5.1, are all extralegal.

Kicker0429
11-16-2010, 5:05 PM
I hope I'm not the only one that notices that sections 218.3.2(b), (c), (e), and (f), as well as 218.5.1, are all extralegal.

Yes, we are aware of Merced's unlawful CCW requirements. If you are a Merced County resident, please PM me and I will fill you in.

greasemonkey
11-20-2010, 7:25 PM
Kicker how's the Merced effort going? Have you been getting much interest or support from County residents for Pazin's Christmas cards?

Kicker0429
11-21-2010, 6:24 PM
Kicker how's the Merced effort going? Have you been getting much interest or support from County residents for Pazin's Christmas cards?

Not as many as I had hoped. All, please let your friends and family know that NOW is the time to apply in Merced County. Let's make this Christmas a memorable one for Pazin.

rivraton
11-22-2010, 11:33 PM
wildhawker,
I've noticed some of the counties have released the "Good Cause" statements, any movement in that direction from Pazin?

wildhawker
11-23-2010, 12:00 AM
We're getting conflicting information from Merced. TBD.

Kicker0429
11-24-2010, 3:30 PM
Things are starting to heat up in Merced County. Don't miss out on the fun. PM me, JuzDuky, or Wildhawker for details!

hoffmang
11-24-2010, 8:55 PM
:inquis:

I love it when a plan comes together...

http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/jackalert/VlI8RcPIBCMVNSkZjYvNFfqD9xdp2fyWeMpjvHCO5hPvUe2FYk L0XB8XgPJD/Hannibal_a-team.jpeg.jpg

JuzDuky
12-14-2010, 2:53 PM
It sure is quiet in here... :gene:

wildhawker
12-14-2010, 3:01 PM
The whole calm before the storm, and all that...

:43:

rivraton
12-14-2010, 3:50 PM
It sure is quiet in here... :gene:
:iagree: :sleep1:
The whole calm before the storm, and all that...
:43: http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/stock/smiley-character00203.gif (http://www.smileyvault.com/)

rivraton
12-15-2010, 1:28 AM
I hope Santa brings us something good for Christmas http://www.upitall.com/Private/u/251/424/7843

JuzDuky
12-18-2010, 6:09 PM
I hope Santa brings us something good for Christmashttp://www.wilsoninfo.com/Santa021zxa.gif

I'm hoping Santa can get us started on a CCW license!

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/jimcinlb/california_ccw.gif

keneva
12-20-2010, 6:54 AM
We recieved the return notification that Pazin got our application on 12/7 but nothing else. Any new news on Merced county?

wildhawker
12-20-2010, 1:01 PM
Nothing we can discuss publicly at this time, but things are progressing and we expect resolution soon.

Gray Peterson
12-20-2010, 3:45 PM
The whole calm before the storm, and all that...

:43:

-voQ5LnywWE

JuzDuky
12-23-2010, 10:09 AM
From the Hollister Freelance Newspaper (http://www.freelancenews.com/news/271340-hill-handing-over-reins-of-state-sheriffs-association) December 22, 2010:

Merced County Sheriff Mark Pazin will add another leadership hat to his collection next month when he takes the reins as president of the California State Sheriffs' Association.

If Sheriff Pazin is going to be spending more time in Sacramento, maybe he'll take notice and adopt Sac County's virtual shall issue CCW Policy here in Merced...

wildhawker
12-23-2010, 1:50 PM
:whistling:

From the Hollister Freelance Newspaper (http://www.freelancenews.com/news/271340-hill-handing-over-reins-of-state-sheriffs-association) December 22, 2010:

If Sheriff Pazin is going to be spending more time in Sacramento, maybe he'll take notice and adopt Sac County's virtual shall issue CCW Policy here in Merced...

rivraton
12-27-2010, 5:37 PM
:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:

JohanD
12-27-2010, 7:28 PM
Nothing we can discuss publicly at this time, but things are progressing and we expect resolution soon.

Can't wait to hear the news. I'm only going to wait :twoweeks:!

:)

erik_26
01-01-2011, 10:22 PM
Please forgive me. I am new. I am interested in getting a ccw. Step one?

wildhawker
01-03-2011, 3:23 PM
Please forgive me. I am new. I am interested in getting a ccw. Step one?

Standby pending resolution of our first steps of legal action against the County and Sheriff's Office.

curvejunkie
01-04-2011, 3:39 PM
Another Merced county resident here, whats the latest and greatest?

G17GUY
01-04-2011, 6:50 PM
Another Merced county resident here, whats the latest and greatest?

Post #45

wildhawker
01-11-2011, 6:54 PM
I just emailed the volunteers new instructions for Phase 2; contact me if you did not receive.

-Brandon

regalado1
01-15-2011, 4:19 PM
I've been away from Calguns for a little bit...From Merced county...Glad to hear things are happening here. Would love an update on what's going on and some details. Thanks to everyone for their efforts and hard work.

ThiZZ
01-18-2011, 3:00 PM
so i cannot currently apply for my ccw in merced? :(

wildhawker
01-18-2011, 4:04 PM
so i cannot currently apply for my ccw in merced? :(

Merced has removed their illegal "moratorium", according to their county counsel's office. However, they have other unlawful policies which are still in place. We're working on those now.

You can and should attempt to apply, and document your experience as it helps to have as many potential plaintiffs with standing as possible.

GTOdude
01-18-2011, 7:16 PM
Im a Merced County resident.. have had my CCW for a number of years. has the Sheriff reopened it for new apps? I knew it had been closed..
GTOdude

wildhawker
01-19-2011, 11:17 PM
Im a Merced County resident.. have had my CCW for a number of years. has the Sheriff reopened it for new apps? I knew it had been closed..
GTOdude

Yes, we were able to get the Sheriff to lift the moratorium after we threatened him and the county with litigation.

GTOdude
01-20-2011, 3:10 PM
I went in to get my renewal today, and yes, the County is accepting new applications.
GTOdude

keneva
01-24-2011, 3:33 PM
Has anyone been told that you have to have a letter from a doctor? I was told that they won't set an appointment date unless you have the "Letter".

Gray Peterson
01-24-2011, 5:47 PM
Has anyone been told that you have to have a letter from a doctor? I was told that they won't set an appointment date unless you have the "Letter".

Please PM wildhawker this information and await further instructions.

wildhawker
01-24-2011, 9:25 PM
Please PM wildhawker this information and await further instructions.

Yep.

Oh, Merced, you're such a useful beast...

rivraton
02-07-2011, 10:10 PM
Does anyone know if Merced Co, will approve weapons equipped with laser grips?

jgraham7897
02-12-2011, 9:18 PM
I live in Merced as well. Since I am in Merced do I need to apply with PD or the Sheriff's Deptartment? Also what are the fees to apply? Not much info available on the Sheriff's Dept web site.

rivraton
02-13-2011, 5:20 PM
I live in Merced as well. Since I am in Merced do I need to apply with PD or the Sheriff's Deptartment? Also what are the fees to apply? Not much info available on the Sheriff's Dept web site.

Sheriff"s Office,
Current list of requirements can be found here:
http://calgunsfoundation.org/downloads/documents/Merced.pdf

wildhawker
02-13-2011, 6:01 PM
I live in Merced as well. Since I am in Merced do I need to apply with PD or the Sheriff's Deptartment? Also what are the fees to apply? Not much info available on the Sheriff's Dept web site.

No, apply directly to the Sheriff. That said, the Sheriff's policy is very much unlawful and we are taking active steps to bring Merced County into compliance.

erik_26
02-17-2011, 2:14 PM
I just picked up my application today. Any new news? Anything I should pay extra attention to in the application?

JuzDuky
02-18-2011, 11:22 AM
I just picked up my application today. Any new news? Anything I should pay extra attention to in the application?

No new news that I am aware of.

If you decide to apply outside the Initiative, you'll want to take notice of the extra application requirements, namely Attachments 4 and 5. Attachment 4 being the Personal Physician's Statement and Attachment 5 being the 4 Personal References; personal references who have known you for 5 years or longer. Also, regarding the requirement for you to "Show proof of registration for each weapon listed on CCW permit," a sales receipt will suffice.

If you do submit an application prior to Merced County coming into compliance with state laws regulating the application for and issuance of CCW licenses, please keep us posted on how the process works out for you.

keneva
02-18-2011, 8:08 PM
Lets do a calguns fund raiser at my house. 5 or 10 bucks to be donated to calguns. We can shoot cowboy Fast Draw at my house, Los Banos, $10.00 for 100 rounds, my ammo, and then we can go in the back and shoot some live rounds. BYOBBQ

wildhawker
02-18-2011, 8:12 PM
I expect the next move to be made early next week.

-BC

greasemonkey
02-18-2011, 9:29 PM
I'm so glad that Mr. Pazin has seen fit to give us such a wonderful opportunity to "work with" him, he's really gone to great lengths to make this a successful venture. :43:

I expect the next move to be made early next week.

-BC

rivraton
02-18-2011, 11:23 PM
Lets do a calguns fund raiser at my house. 5 or 10 bucks to be donated to calguns. We can shoot cowboy Fast Draw at my house, Los Banos, $10.00 for 100 rounds, my ammo, and then we can go in the back and shoot some live rounds. BYOBBQ

Sounds like it could be fun, got any tentative dates?

JuzDuky
02-19-2011, 4:19 PM
Lets do a calguns fund raiser at my house. 5 or 10 bucks to be donated to calguns. We can shoot cowboy Fast Draw at my house, Los Banos, $10.00 for 100 rounds, my ammo, and then we can go in the back and shoot some live rounds. BYOBBQ

I'm in!

JuzDuky
02-20-2011, 3:26 PM
I'm so glad that Mr. Pazin has seen fit to give us such a wonderful opportunity to "work with" him, he's really gone to great lengths to make this a successful venture. :43:

Small as it may seem, there has been "some" movement from the Sheriff's Office. Since they shut off accepting new CCW applications last year in July or August, they have (1) started accepting new applications again, and (2) they no longer require applicants to provide a certificate of completion from an approved firearms course, along with range scores for each weapon you plan to carry, WITH your initial application, rather than after receiving approval.

Baby steps? :rolleyes:

wildhawker
02-20-2011, 6:03 PM
Small as it may seem, there has been "some" movement from the Sheriff's Office. Since they shut off accepting new CCW applications last year in July or August, they have (1) started accepting new applications again, and (2) they no longer require applicants to provide a certificate of completion from an approved firearms course, along with range scores for each weapon you plan to carry, WITH your initial application, rather than after receiving approval.

Baby steps? :rolleyes:

Not good enough, obviously, and the policy severely infringes on applicants' rights (not to mention is very much in violation of state law also).

-BC

JuzDuky
02-20-2011, 6:42 PM
Not good enough, obviously, and the policy severely infringes on applicants' rights (not to mention is very much in violation of state law also).

-BC

Yes, of course this is not good enough. Just a hunch though --> Given his current position as President of the California State Sheriff's Association, I don't expect Sheriff Pazin to comply with any outside demands or suggestions to change his CCW policy. Quite the opposite. I expect him to dig in and stay fast on keeping "Sheriff's Discretion" with how individual counties issue CCW licenses.

wildhawker
02-20-2011, 6:43 PM
Yes, of course this is not good enough. Just a hunch though --> Given his current position as President of the California State Sheriff's Association, I don't expect Sheriff Pazin to comply with any outside demands or suggestions to change his CCW policy. Quite the opposite. I expect him to dig in and stay fast on keeping "Sheriff's Discretion" with how individual counties issue CCW licenses.

:43: I hope you're right for all of the reasons you mention...

Kicker0429
02-24-2011, 5:31 PM
wildhawker,
I've noticed some of the counties have released the "Good Cause" statements, any movement in that direction from Pazin?

We're getting conflicting information from Merced. TBD.

Has Pazin released the "Good Cause" statements yet?

wildhawker
02-24-2011, 5:52 PM
Yes, we have the GC statements from all applicants since Jan 1, 2007 (through about mid-2010). Expect them to be published at www.gotcarry.org within :twoweeks: :43:

ETA: I should also add that I'm holding these back for strategic reasons, and that we're otherwise very interested in getting these into the public domain.

wildhawker
02-24-2011, 5:58 PM
Just quoting because, well, it rocks:

:inquis:

I love it when a plan comes together...

http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/jackalert/VlI8RcPIBCMVNSkZjYvNFfqD9xdp2fyWeMpjvHCO5hPvUe2FYk L0XB8XgPJD/Hannibal_a-team.jpeg.jpg

greasemonkey
03-02-2011, 11:29 PM
:inquis:

I love it when a plan comes together...

http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/jackalert/VlI8RcPIBCMVNSkZjYvNFfqD9xdp2fyWeMpjvHCO5hPvUe2FYk L0XB8XgPJD/Hannibal_a-team.jpeg.jpg

:whistling:

Now when is the Sheriffs Association Conference? I'm sure he'll want to stop by and say hi :D

JuzDuky
03-03-2011, 1:47 PM
Now when is the Sheriffs Association Conference? I'm sure he'll want to stop by and say hi :D

April 17-21, 2011 - 117th Annual Conference to be held in San Francisco.

BlK Lantern
03-09-2011, 10:53 AM
Does anyone know of any physician's in Merced County that have experience with complete the physician's form for the MC CCW packet? Thank you.

greasemonkey
03-09-2011, 11:58 AM
Yes, we have the GC statements from all applicants since Jan 1, 2007 (through about mid-2010). Expect them to be published at www.gotcarry.org within :twoweeks: :43:

ETA: I should also add that I'm holding these back for strategic reasons, and that we're otherwise very interested in getting these into the public domain.

Does anyone know of any physician's in Merced County that have experience with complete the physician's form for the MC CCW packet? Thank you.

Blk, welcome to Calguns, make sure you sign up for the CalGuns Foundation's contact/volunteer list here: www.calgunsfoundation.org/volunteer/
There's a strategic silence on the process right now as there's a lot of work to be done with Pazin's illegal process, so sign up, hold tight for a bit and CGF will help you get your issues squared away in a way that not only benefits you but the rest of the Merced Co. residents, as well.

wildhawker
03-09-2011, 7:17 PM
Do not proceed with the physician's form. Please allow me to reach out.

BlK Lantern
03-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Keep me posted.

Squibster
04-21-2011, 11:13 PM
I live in Merced County, I want a CCW, who's boots do I need to start licking? It's getting to the point I don't want to get a flat tire in some parts of the county.

greasemonkey
04-22-2011, 10:35 AM
I live in Merced County, I want a CCW, who's boots do I need to start licking? It's getting to the point I don't want to get a flat tire in some parts of the county.

No licking of LE boots required, said LE is going to be formally educated on what State Law is and how they can go about complying. Make sure you keep watching this thread, there should be some exciting news very soon :)

unicityd
04-22-2011, 8:25 PM
I'm interested in applying for my CCW permit in Merced as well. Has there been any feedback on what is required for a successful good cause statement? I've read that protection of self and family is not generally sufficient. Is that true?

greasemonkey
04-22-2011, 8:57 PM
Merced has removed their illegal "moratorium", according to their county counsel's office. However, they have other unlawful policies which are still in place. We're working on those now.

You can and should attempt to apply, and document your experience as it helps to have as many potential plaintiffs with standing as possible.
Emphasis added above to answer question below. Also, unicityd, see the link in the first page of this thread for a layout of the application process. Accepted/known Good Cause statements have not been published by CalGuns Foundation(CGF) and I can't speak into whether or not CGF has received the PRAR information from the County, yet. It wasn't all that long ago that Pazin lifted the outright moratorium on even accepting applications for processing.
I'm interested in applying for my CCW permit in Merced as well. Has there been any feedback on what is required for a successful good cause statement? I've read that protection of self and family is not generally sufficient. Is that true?

Kicker0429
05-19-2011, 6:33 PM
I am happy to see that the Sheriff only requires $10 to submit the CCW application. However, he still requires personal references and a physician's statement. Baby steps :)

wildhawker
05-19-2011, 6:54 PM
I am happy to see that the Sheriff only requires $10 to submit the CCW application. However, he still requires personal references and a physician's statement. Baby steps :)

Baby steps are going to get bigger shortly.

JuzDuky
05-20-2011, 9:03 AM
I am happy to see that the Sheriff only requires $10 to submit the CCW application. However, he still requires personal references and a physician's statement. Baby steps :)

Just to clarify, Sheriff Pazin still wants his $50 bucks for the initial filing fee if the applicant is approved; it's only $10 bucks if denied. But yeah, baby steps indeed...

From the Sheriff's web site: (http://www.co.merced.ca.us/documents/Sheriff's%20Department/CCW%20Fees%20(revised%204-12-11)[1].PDF)

CARRY CONCEALED WEAPON FEES
INITIAL FEE:
$10.00 APPLICATION PACKET. (NON-REFUNDABLE)
$40.00 BALANCE DUE IF PERMIT IS APPROVED

wildhawker
05-20-2011, 1:54 PM
Looks like they are preparing for the rolling thunder...

Gator Ray
05-20-2011, 4:18 PM
I just picked up the app packet today, no charge. Next ccw class at gunrunners is 16th of June. Should I turn in packet or hold off a bit.

wildhawker
05-20-2011, 6:14 PM
Gator please scan to me and turn it in. Don't do the non-standard forms if you'd like to be part of the next steps. Email if any questions.

rivraton
05-21-2011, 4:58 PM
I am happy to see that the Sheriff only requires $10 to submit the CCW application. However, he still requires personal references and a physician's statement. Baby steps :)

Couldn't the physician's statement be attacked as religious discrimination (Christian Scientists);):D

wildhawker
05-21-2011, 5:13 PM
Couldn't the physician's statement be attacked as religious discrimination (Christian Scientists);):D

That's overcomplicating it:

Penal Code Sec. 12054(d): "Except as authorized pursuant to subdivisions (a), (b), and (c), no requirement, charge, assessment, fee, or condition that requires the payment of any additional funds by the applicant may be imposed by any licensing authority as a condition of the application for a license."

Paladin
05-21-2011, 10:41 PM
Looks like they are preparing for the rolling thunder...
:confused:

Please translate/explain.

Paladin
05-21-2011, 10:43 PM
Baby steps are going to get bigger shortly. Let me guess when: :twoweeks: ?

wildhawker
05-22-2011, 5:11 PM
Let me guess when: :twoweeks: ?

Realistically, I would call it 3. But yes, there's a firm objective and definite action coming.

mean72nova
05-22-2011, 5:16 PM
good, can you now get a ccw from the s/o without getting rejected from the merced PD?

wildhawker
05-22-2011, 5:43 PM
good, can you now get a ccw from the s/o without getting rejected from the merced PD?

You can apply directly to the Sheriff's Office.

mean72nova
05-22-2011, 5:45 PM
thank you!

Paladin
05-22-2011, 7:59 PM
Realistically, I would call it 3. But yes, there's a firm objective and definite action coming.
For just Merced?

wildhawker
05-22-2011, 8:03 PM
For just Merced?

Who said that?

Paladin
05-22-2011, 8:58 PM
Who said that?
:whistling: ;) :D

keneva
05-23-2011, 6:54 AM
A friend of mine got his CCW permit last week from Pazin. He did not have his letters from the doctors in his origional application. They told him to bring them in with him after he qualified at the range, on the same day that he actually picked up his lic. My wife on he other hand had her application sent back and was told to re-apply after she completed the application, ie: had her doctors letters.

Kicker0429
05-23-2011, 11:39 AM
A friend of mine got his CCW permit last week from Pazin. He did not have his letters from the doctors in his origional application. They told him to bring them in with him after he qualified at the range, on the same day that he actually picked up his lic. My wife on he other hand had her application sent back and was told to re-apply after she completed the application, ie: had her doctors letters.

Pazin is exercising "discretion" when accepting applications. :rolleyes:

Sgt Seahorse
05-23-2011, 3:47 PM
I have a question, maybe it's been asked elsewhere but I didn't see it.

I am moving to Merced to go to college there. Can I apply for my ccw there? Or are there restrictions like I have to have lived there for a year first?

thanks

wildhawker
05-23-2011, 5:46 PM
I have a question, maybe it's been asked elsewhere but I didn't see it.

I am moving to Merced to go to college there. Can I apply for my ccw there? Or are there restrictions like I have to have lived there for a year first?

thanks

When you move there feel free to apply.

Gator Ray
05-24-2011, 2:56 PM
Only item I need to complete is Drs. Note. Appt with dr. Is next week.

wildhawker
05-24-2011, 7:50 PM
Gator, please pm me your contact info ASAP.

Gator Ray
05-25-2011, 9:25 AM
PM'd

corrupt
05-28-2011, 12:19 AM
This is exciting, and I've never even really been to Merced county.

wildhawker
05-30-2011, 12:45 AM
I'm going to make this as ambiguously clear as possible:

If you are a resident of Merced County, over the age of 21, free of criminal history, and have not yet applied - DO IT NOW. THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

Please email me at bcombs at calgunsfoundation.org for further information and instruction or if you have any questions.

jgraham7897
05-30-2011, 12:51 AM
I really wish I could afford the $150+ in fees for this right now. If you need help in other areas please let me know and I will see if I can help in other ways.

wildhawker
05-30-2011, 3:36 PM
I really wish I could afford the $150+ in fees for this right now. If you need help in other areas please let me know and I will see if I can help in other ways.

We do need help in other areas, but remember that the application is only $20 to begin. The $95 DOJ and fingerprint rolling fees, as well and balance of local fees, come later. Your total exposure right now is $20.

-Brandon

Gator Ray
06-07-2011, 4:43 PM
Am ready to turn in application.

wildhawker
06-07-2011, 4:59 PM
Am ready to turn in application.

Did you follow the instructions provided in our latest email? If not, PM me your email address ASAP.

-Brandon

Kicker0429
06-25-2011, 12:00 PM
Take :chillpill: then :yawn: :sleeping: :sleep1:

wildhawker
06-25-2011, 9:59 PM
Anyone denied in the past 18 months needs to PM or email me their contact info ****ASA
P****.

curvejunkie
07-14-2011, 7:59 AM
I'm going to make this as ambiguously clear as possible:

If you are a resident of Merced County, over the age of 21, free of criminal history, and have not yet applied - DO IT NOW. THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

Please email me at bcombs at calgunsfoundation.org for further information and instruction or if you have any questions.

Email sent.

I am ready to apply, but have questions on order of things.

Thanks!

Gator Ray
07-23-2011, 7:29 PM
right now, pick up an application

fill it all out and provide all necessary information

call sherriff's office and set up an appointment to turn in the application.

bring a check book with you to cover the initial application fee

uniform_00
07-26-2011, 9:48 PM
Excuse my ignorance I am new to this site. I also, live in Merced County and would like to apply for the CCW, but on the request for a doctors note I just changed jobs and my insurance coverage is with Kaiser and my family doctor of many years no longer is under my covered plan which was HMO. This S****.

wildhawker
07-26-2011, 10:06 PM
Excuse my ignorance I am new to this site. I also, live in Merced County and would like to apply for the CCW, but on the request for a doctors note I just changed jobs and my insurance coverage is with Kaiser and my family doctor of many years no longer is under my covered plan which was HMO. This S****.

Stay tuned and be sure to check the 2A forum tomorrow.

greasemonkey
07-26-2011, 10:56 PM
Stay tuned and be sure to check the 2A forum tomorrow.

BEEP-BEEP...coming through.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tzcv9lwEbAw/Ti-oVBPi3ZI/AAAAAAAAEk0/0AXwPk6dmeY/s640/CGF%252520steamroller.jpg

wildhawker
07-27-2011, 2:23 PM
UPDATE:

Calguns Foundation Sues Merced County, Sheriff Mark Pazin
Over Unlawful Carry Application Policies

San Carlos, CA (July 27, 2011) – As part of its ongoing Carry License Compliance and Sunshine Initiative, the Calguns Foundation has filed a lawsuit (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads/category/15-merced.html) in Merced County Superior Court challenging Merced County and its Sheriff’s firearm carry licensing policy for violating state law. Joining CGF are three individual plaintiffs who have been harmed by these policies, Michelle and Seth Rossow and James Clark. The plaintiffs are represented byJason Davis of Mission Viejo and Donald Kilmer of San Jose.

California firearm carry license laws currently require applicants to have “good cause” and “good moral character.” The Calguns Foundation believes that those requirements are an unconstitutional prior restraint on the people’s right to bear arms, and is challenging those requirements in its Federal lawsuit over Yolo County’s carry licensing scheme in Richards v. Prieto (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Richards_v._Prieto), currently on appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

However, in Merced County, the Sheriff saddles applicants with additional forms, fees, and processes - even for individuals who meet the heightened good cause and moral character requirements - that, CGF alleges, violate state law.

“Sheriff Pazin has had ample time to create a policy that adheres to state law,” said Brandon Combs, a director of CGF and leader of the Initiative. Calguns Foundation first contacted Merced in October of 2010, when it discovered that the Sheriff had established an unlawful moratorium on carry license applications. The Sheriff subsequently lifted the moratorium, but has since refused to modify parts of his policy that CGF identified as unlawful.

“This case is definitely important to all Merced County residents who seek a carry license,” added CGF chairman Gene Hoffman. “What Sheriff Pazin has done is further burden a process that’s already costly and complex with unlawful requirements and fees. We are merely requesting the court mandate that the Sheriff’s policy be consistent with existing law.

In 1999, California enacted Assembly Bill 2022 to enforce standards upon the carry licensing process. "The Legislature, in AB 2022, sought to address the arbitrary and widely-varying abuses in carry license policies between different cities and counties in California,” said Jason Davis. “They made it clear that application requirements, forms, and fees are to be uniform throughout the state."

“When we found out my wife was about to become a new mom," said plaintiff Seth Rossow, "we knew we needed to take steps to protect our family when we weren’t in our home. We’ve had problems with meth users hiding at our ranch, and we watch the news like everybody else. In this day of budget cuts and reduced law enforcement patrols, it is important for us to be able to easily apply for our carry licenses.”

“The Rossow’s concerns for their safety are not unique," added Don Kilmer. "California created a system that was designed so that applicants could focus on important issues, like training,rather than worry about a local form the Sheriff might or might not want them to fill out that day.”

“Ultimately, this case is about making carry license policies consistent with California law,” said Gene Hoffman. “We believe that we can accomplish this without 58 lawsuits, but if that’s what it requires, that’s what we are prepared to do.”

A downloadable copy of the complaint may be found at CGF’s downloads library (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads.html). More information on Calguns Foundation’s Carry License Compliance and Sunshine Initiative and other Second Amendment-related litigation and educational efforts can be found at www.calgunsfoundation.org (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org).

___

The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization which serves its members by providing Second Amendment-related education, strategic litigation and the defense of innocent California gun owners from improper or malicious prosecution. The Calguns Foundation seeks to inform government and protect the rights of individuals to acquire, own, and lawfully use firearms in California.

Contact:
Gene Hoffman
650-275-1015
hoffmang@calgunsfoundation.org

Kicker0429
07-27-2011, 3:10 PM
Take :chillpill: then :yawn: :sleeping: :sleep1:

No more sandwiches and naps for us Merced County residents. :jump:

tank9800
07-31-2011, 5:06 PM
I am new to the Calguns forum but live in Merced county as well. I want to apply for my CCW but in light of the recent filing, should I wait now?

uniform_00
08-01-2011, 10:03 PM
Thanks for the info. wildhawker :)

keneva
08-09-2011, 6:47 AM
When is the court date? This should be fun to watch.

unicityd
08-15-2011, 10:51 AM
The Merced Sun-Star published a letter regarding the Calguns lawsuit against Sheriff Pazin:

"Norman S. Covert: Great sheriffs, great gun policy

In response to the recent concealed weapons permits article, I find it irresponsible that an out-of-town attorney would join with three disgruntled Merced citizens in that lawsuit."

The rest of the letter and the comments are online:

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2011/08/15/2005208/norman-s-covert-great-sheriffs.html

greasemonkey
08-15-2011, 8:10 PM
Typical. "I got mine so nothing is wrong with the system"...he must be on a certain 'state license to carry' forum that I won't mention the name of here :)

1freeman1951
08-19-2011, 10:16 AM
Typical. "I got mine so nothing is wrong with the system"...he must be on a certain 'state license to carry' forum that I won't mention the name of here :)


More than likely he is a good drinking buddy of Pazins' ( who is suspected of being quite the lush) or has contributed heavily to his campaign chest. There is a reason Merced County SO has the reputation of being one of the worst departments in the state. Perhaps it's because of the "good ol boys club" mentality the infects the management levels. :(

greasemonkey
08-19-2011, 10:43 AM
More than likely he is a good drinking buddy of Pazins' ( who is suspected of being quite the lush) or has contributed heavily to his campaign chest. There is a reason Merced County SO has the reputation of being one of the worst departments in the state. Perhaps it's because of the "good ol boys club" mentality the infects the management levels. :(

You mean to imply that some shady things may have happened there? I mean, it's not as if any one of his late family members were involved in far more than one DUI incident that was just brushed under the rug...oh wait...I have to say "allegedly" here.

Kicker0429
09-23-2011, 2:41 PM
The Good News: The sheriff no longer requires a doctor's approval or character references.

The Bad News: The sheriff wants you to apply to your city CLEO and be denied before applying to him. Good luck with that, Pazin!

Paul S
09-23-2011, 2:43 PM
The Good News: The sheriff no longer requires a doctor's approval or character references.

The Bad News: The sheriff wants you to apply to your city CLEO and be denied before applying to him. Good luck with that, Pazin!

Strikes me as a purposeful delaying tactic :mad:

JuzDuky
09-23-2011, 5:38 PM
The Good News: The sheriff no longer requires a doctor's approval or character references.

The Bad News: The sheriff wants you to apply to your city CLEO and be denied before applying to him. Good luck with that, Pazin!

Pazin said: "No Doctor? No References? Well then how about a CLEO? Take THAT, you lowly peasants!" :rolleyes:

greasemonkey
09-23-2011, 5:49 PM
Strikes me as a purposeful delaying tactic :mad:

And a requirement to pay additional fees. Lots of City/County agreements like that so the City can collect up to a few hundred dollars in fees for doing absolutely nothing other than a clerical return-to-sender with a slightly modified cover letter(rejection letter).

wildhawker
09-23-2011, 6:56 PM
Strikes me as a purposeful delaying tactic :mad:

It's Merced County and Sheriff Pazin narrowing the issues they're confident enough to litigate.

-Brandon

rivraton
09-23-2011, 7:07 PM
I have a question, if applying to the local PD is a county requirement, would the fees collected (if the permit is denied) then be applied toward the county's fees ?

wildhawker
09-23-2011, 7:17 PM
I have a question, if applying to the local PD is a county requirement, would the fees collected (if the permit is denied) then be applied toward the county's fees ?

No, but they would likely be recoverable in a successful action against the county for enforcing an unlawful policy leading to the expenditure of costs beyond those allowable under the State's regulatory scheme.

-Brandon

Shoot-it
10-11-2011, 7:37 PM
Any up dates on the case?

hoffmang
10-11-2011, 9:01 PM
Any up dates on the case?

The on the ground policies seem to be... in flux... :43:

-Gene

curvejunkie
11-05-2011, 9:34 PM
Any news? I am about to apply? Any advice/concerns?

I live in rural Merced County, no local law to turn me down. Ill be applying direct.

hoffmang
11-06-2011, 12:07 AM
Any news? I am about to apply? Any advice/concerns?

I live in rural Merced County, no local law to turn me down. Ill be applying direct.

We're minute to minute on updates.

-Gene

rivraton
11-06-2011, 12:13 AM
It's been quite a few minutes since the last one:rolleyes:

rivraton
12-03-2011, 3:33 PM
This is off topic, Anyone know what happend to Stone's gun shop? I've been by there a couple of times in the last 2 weeks and it's locked up tight..

HowardW56
12-03-2011, 5:29 PM
This is off topic, Anyone know what happend to Stone's gun shop? I've been by there a couple of times in the last 2 weeks and it's locked up tight..

There is a blog that says ATF shut it down....

http://akeyboardanda45.blogspot.com/2006/08/another-gun-shop-closes-due-to-minor.html

rivraton
12-03-2011, 6:38 PM
That really sucks, that put several people out of work..

greasemonkey
12-04-2011, 9:20 AM
Too bad we can't close the DOJ for "clerical errors of 'misplacing' an unknown number of AW registrations".

Kid Stanislaus
12-04-2011, 10:49 AM
Too bad we can't close the DOJ for "clerical errors of 'misplacing' an unknown number of AW registrations".

Lets see about shutting down SWAT teams when they kick in the door at the wrong address. ;)

TBX
12-05-2011, 10:19 PM
Lets see about shutting down SWAT teams when they kick in the door at the wrong address. ;)

haha good one!

jgraham7897
12-08-2011, 3:10 PM
There is a blog that says ATF shut it down....

http://akeyboardanda45.blogspot.com/2006/08/another-gun-shop-closes-due-to-minor.html

That was awhile ago. I thought they opened back up again.

JohnC'sBobcat
12-09-2011, 9:07 PM
That was awhile ago. I thought they opened back up again.

They were; a year-and-some ago, PanzerAce (member from back when OLLs were just getting to be a big deal) and I dropped in on their new location on MLK and looked at a few pistols.
They were most assuredly open, but under a new owner, I believe.

Last couple times I went past the place, though, they were buttoned-up...one time was a Wednesday at about 10am, too. Another was a Saturday afternoon.
Wish I knew what was up, though I sniffed a little grapevine talk to the effect that there was some screwing-over of some people by others...no idea if that's true.

On the other hand, I can vouch for the "good old boy" style of MCSO; especially since the recent commanders took over.

cavemanlrrp
12-19-2011, 4:00 PM
This is off topic, Anyone know what happend to Stone's gun shop? I've been by there a couple of times in the last 2 weeks and it's locked up tight..
Go next door to the Napa auto parts store, he has the shop in a small room in the back. I just picked up a striped lower there about a week ago.

Best
caveman

keneva
01-06-2012, 11:47 AM
Any new news?

hoffmang
01-06-2012, 8:56 PM
Any new news?

My understanding is that many issues outlined in our complaint have been resolved in our favor but I'm not up to date enough to know which issues are still outstanding.

-Gene

wildhawker
01-07-2012, 12:47 AM
We should have a letter going to County Counsel within the next week. Next stop is discovery.

-Brandon

Kicker0429
01-20-2012, 10:50 AM
The sheriff no longer requires us city dwellers to apply and be denied by the chief of police before applying to him. Also, Anita has been replaced as CCW Coordinator by Josette Torres. Keep those changes coming, Pazin!

rivraton
01-20-2012, 9:01 PM
The sheriff no longer requires us city dwellers to apply and be denied by the chief of police before applying to him. Also, Anita has been replaced as CCW Coordinator by Josette Torres. Keep those changes coming, Pazin!

But it looks like he has gone back to the Doctor's letter and personal references requirements...:facepalm:

Ryan_D
01-31-2012, 11:20 PM
I have only recently stumbled on this thread. I too live in Atwater (Merced County). I have just recently acquired my first handgun (a 5" Springfield XD .40) and would like to get a CCW. I have heard many people tell me, even prior to me purchasing a weapon, that if I ever got a firearm, to not bother applying for a CCW through Merced County, since Pazin only gave them out to, as others have said, campaign contributors and drinking buddies. I do a lot of driving at night going to school to get my master's, and with the economy being what it is, I want to be able to protect myself. Any tips or feedback for the permit process? I have been debating spending a considerable amount of time at the range before even applying just to avoid that being an issue. What should I do? How do I enjoin myself to this cause?

greasemonkey
02-01-2012, 9:33 AM
Ryan, you can get involved as an applicant by signing up on the CalGuns Foundation's License-to-Carry Volunteer Page (http://calgunsfoundation.org/get-involved/ltcvolunteer.html). You can either document going through the application process as Merced's policy currently stands or you can wait until this lawsuit goes from discovery to court, to see what changes the court requires the Sheriff to make.

I have only recently stumbled on this thread. I too live in Atwater (Merced County). I have just recently acquired my first handgun (a 5" Springfield XD .40) and would like to get a CCW. I have heard many people tell me, even prior to me purchasing a weapon, that if I ever got a firearm, to not bother applying for a CCW through Merced County, since Pazin only gave them out to, as others have said, campaign contributors and drinking buddies. I do a lot of driving at night going to school to get my master's, and with the economy being what it is, I want to be able to protect myself. Any tips or feedback for the permit process? I have been debating spending a considerable amount of time at the range before even applying just to avoid that being an issue. What should I do? How do I enjoin myself to this cause?

Ryan_D
02-08-2012, 9:53 AM
You mean to imply that some shady things may have happened there? I mean, it's not as if any one of his late family members were involved in far more than one DUI incident that was just brushed under the rug...oh wait...I have to say "allegedly" here.

I too have heard from a NUMBER of people that Pazin is quite a lush. Also, let's not forget who we're dealing with here...this is the same guy that, in collusion with other officials and "good 'ole boys" arrested a guy, coerced him into selling a piece of real-estate while he was in custody. The arresting officer was a reserve police officer for the City of Atwater, who then ended up doing code enforcement, and has since been dismissed for sexual harassment by the City of Atwater. (Link to articles HERE: http://www.badlandsjournal.com/2006-07-28/00147
http://www.badlandsjournal.com/2006-07-23/00144)

Here is a youtube vid about it as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDMIRweKqGY

Hostetler is a HUGE developer throughout the SJ Valley, and Merced Area in particular. Gordon Spencer is the former Merced County DA, who resigned over a number of allegations but was never charged. The defendants named in Byrd's lawsuit are all part of the "old money" crowd in Merced County.

So now you know, Cal-Guns, if you did not know already, the moral character of the people you are dealing with at least in Merced County.

rivraton
02-17-2012, 2:50 PM
Any new developments?

wildhawker
02-17-2012, 3:24 PM
Any new developments?

The case is in discovery. We will post an update when there is one.

ETA: I think it's reasonable to say that we're a month or two away from the next real update.

-Brandon

jgraham7897
02-17-2012, 3:30 PM
How long can discovery last?

wildhawker
02-17-2012, 3:35 PM
How long can discovery last?

You beat me to this (I've since edited my last post) but in this case I don't think discovery will take much more than 60-90 days.

-Brandon

jgraham7897
02-17-2012, 7:10 PM
You beat me to this (I've since edited my last post) but in this case I don't think discovery will take much more than 60-90 days.

-Brandon

Thanks Brandon.

Ryan_D
02-20-2012, 9:46 AM
Saw this interesting article in the LA Times today:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-right-to-carry-20120220,0,4684092.story

"By Carol J. Williams, Los Angeles Times
February 20, 2012
Chuck Michel's strategy for crime-fighting rests on the element of surprise: Keep the bad guys guessing who's armed and who's not.

"If 5% of the ducks could shoot back, you're not going to go duck hunting," said the Long Beach lawyer representing many Californians denied concealed weapons permits and, in his view, their constitutional right to self-defense.

For decades, that argument has fallen flat in the courtroom. Judges have routinely held that denying permits to carry loaded firearms in public does not infringe on gun owners' right to keep and bear arms.

But now, some gun owners hope that courts will soon reverse course and find that they have a right to secretly tote their weapons in public. Ironically, their optimism stems from a piece of gun control legislation that took effect last month and bans them from openly carrying even unloaded handguns.

Courts have upheld local law enforcement officials' authority to deny concealed weapons permits in part because "you had the opportunity to openly carry an unloaded weapon and in the event of an emergency you can quickly load and defend yourself," said Adam Winkler, a UCLA law professor and author of "Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America." "Now that option has been taken off the table."

..... more at link.


carol.williams@latimes.com

Copyright 2012, Los Angeles Times"

TDIguy
02-24-2012, 10:34 AM
I'm watching this thread with great interest, been wanting my CCW for years but always thought it pointless to apply in Merced county.

greasemonkey
02-24-2012, 11:18 AM
I'm watching this thread with great interest, been wanting my CCW for years but always thought it pointless to apply in Merced county.
You obviously didn't donate enough to Pazin's election campaign :43:

Maverick831
03-02-2012, 10:56 PM
I just picked up my application yesterday and called to make an appointment today for next week.

Ryan_D
03-02-2012, 10:59 PM
Do you need to make the appointment to drop off the application? Is that what the appointment is for?

Maverick831
03-03-2012, 8:24 AM
Yes. The appointment is to drop off the app.

rivraton
03-03-2012, 12:46 PM
I just picked up my application yesterday and called to make an appointment today for next week.

If you are in Monterey CO. why are you appling in Merced?:confused:

Maverick831
03-03-2012, 5:06 PM
Oops.. lol I haven't been on for a while. I moved to Merced about 6 months ago.

jgraham7897
03-03-2012, 5:13 PM
Oops.. lol I haven't been on for a while. I moved to Merced about 6 months ago.

Have you found any good places to shoot other than Gunrunner?

Maverick831
03-03-2012, 9:56 PM
I've heard of a place near Mariposa but I forgot what it was called. There's also River Oaks range in Winton.

Ryan_D
03-05-2012, 2:42 PM
YES YES YES YES YES!!!!! FINALLY!!!!! Took this from the front page of Fox News' website:

BALTIMORE – Maryland residents do not have to provide a "good and substantial reason" to legally own a handgun, a federal judge ruled Monday, striking down as unconstitutional the state's requirements for getting a permit.
U.S. District Judge Benson Everett Legg wrote that states are allowed some leeway in deciding the way residents exercise their Second Amendment right to bear arms, but Maryland's objective was to limit the number of firearms that individuals could carry, effectively creating a rationing system that rewarded those who provided the right answer for wanting to own a gun.

"A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights," Legg wrote. "The right's existence is all the reason he needs."
Plaintiff Raymond Woollard obtained a handgun permit after fighting with an intruder in his Hampstead home in 2002, but was denied a renewal in 2009 because he could not show he had been subject to "threats occurring beyond his residence."
Woollard appealed, but his appeal was rejected by the review board, which found he hadn't demonstrated a "good and substantial reason" to carry a handgun as a reasonable precaution. The suit filed in 2010 claimed that Maryland didn't have a reason to deny the renewal and wrongly put the burden on Woollard to show why he still needed to carry a gun.
"People have the right to carry a gun for self-defense and don't have to prove that there's a special reason for them to seek the permit," said his attorney Alan Gura, who has challenged handgun bans in the District of Columbia and Chicago as an attorney with the Second Amendment Foundation. "We're not against the idea of a permit process, but the licensing system has to acknowledge that there's a right to bear arms."
In his ruling, Legg wrote that Second Amendment protections aren't limited to the household.
"In addition to self-defense, the (Second Amendment) right was also understood to allow for militia membership and hunting. To secure these rights, the Second Amendment's protections must extend beyond the home: neither hunting nor militia training is a household activity, and 'self-defense has to take place wherever (a) person happens to be,'" Legg wrote.
"Judge Legg's ruling takes a substantial step toward restoring the Second Amendment to its rightful place in the Bill of Rights and provides gun owners with another significant victory," said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. "The federal district court has carefully spelled out the obvious, that the Second Amendment does not stop at one's doorstep, but protects us wherever we have a right to be."
The lawsuit names the state police superintendent and members of the Handgun Permit Review Board as defendants. A spokesman from Maryland's attorney general's office was not immediately available to comment.
Many states require gun permits, but six states, including Maryland, issue permits on a discretionary basis, Gura said. In most of those states, these challenges have not succeeded in U.S. District Courts, but they are being appealed, he said.
"Most states that choose to regulate the right to bear arms have licensing systems that are objective and straightforward," Gura said. "That's all that we want for Marylan


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/05/federal-judge-rules-maryland-gun-permit-law-unconstitutional/#ixzz1oHjCkQ4q

JohnC'sBobcat
03-05-2012, 2:58 PM
Outstanding!

jgraham7897
03-05-2012, 3:29 PM
This is huge!

jgraham7897
03-05-2012, 3:31 PM
I've heard of a place near Mariposa but I forgot what it was called. There's also River Oaks range in Winton.

Have not heard of a place near Mariposa and River Oaks has a pretty long waiting list to join from what I understand.

Ryan_D
03-05-2012, 3:33 PM
Especially when you consider that is was a federal judge! Automatically this precedent carries more weight legally than any superior court judge would, and we know that if this gets appealed by the county/state/etc and a conflicting ruling is issued, this will end up going to the Supreme Court! The SCOTUS will HAVE to rule on this issue if there are conflicting rulings in order to make sure that the equal protection clause isn't being violated (conflicting rulings by federal courts = one group of people not playing by the same rules as others, thereby leading to UN-equal treatment).

JohnC'sBobcat
03-05-2012, 4:18 PM
Have not heard of a place near Mariposa and River Oaks has a pretty long waiting list to join from what I understand.


River Oaks does have a waiting list...and I wish I hadn't had to drop my membership this year. Worth it in my opinion to at least get on the list and see if/when an opening comes up.
At least, that's how I got in about 5 years ago now: got on the list and waited for an opening. Got lucky, too.
Realistically, they're the only nearby place I know of for rifle and shotgun shooting. Haven't checked near Mariposa though.

Good luck.

Maverick831
03-05-2012, 7:07 PM
Motherload pistol club near mariposa

Maverick831
03-07-2012, 6:50 PM
Well.. turned in my application yesterday and was I should get something in the mail within 3 months. Does anyone else have any experience of how the process works in merced county?

Ryan_D
03-07-2012, 6:55 PM
3 MONTHS? WTF? Dang...did you have to get a letter from your doctor?

wildhawker
03-07-2012, 7:23 PM
Well.. turned in my application yesterday and was I should get something in the mail within 3 months. Does anyone else have any experience of how the process works in merced county?

...was told or?

-Brandon

Maverick831
03-07-2012, 8:55 PM
Yes. I was told*. Sorry didn't catch that.

wildhawker
03-07-2012, 9:18 PM
Yes. I was told*. Sorry didn't catch that.

Importantly, were your fingerprints taken?

-Brandon

Ryan_D
03-07-2012, 9:21 PM
Did they require a letter from your doctor in order to be able tot urn in your application?

Maverick831
03-07-2012, 10:50 PM
Importantly, were your fingerprints taken?

-Brandon

Finger prints were not taken. There's a few pages that need to be signed in front of a witness. Basically just signed those, took a photo copy of my ID, then turned in my application.

Did they require a letter from your doctor in order to be able tot urn in your application?

Negative. The front page of the application said to be sure to also include attachments 4 & 5 but there was no attachment 4 & 5 in the application packet. I asked her about it and she said they need to get that part removed because they don't require a letter from your doc or personal references any longer

Ryan_D
03-07-2012, 11:01 PM
Excellent. I plan on getting mine in soon. I do have a question for one of the legal beagles on here though...What should I use as a good cause statement? Should I reference the fact that since the state of CA has A.) vested discretionary authority in the County Sheriffs to issue CCW permits, and B.) Has banned the open carry of an unloaded firearm, so in order to carry at ALL, I need a CCW?

rivraton
03-11-2012, 9:32 PM
What ever became of the Good Cause Statements?

wildhawker
03-11-2012, 9:39 PM
What ever became of the Good Cause Statements?

Slightly lower priority than suing the sheriff for a large number of policy violations.

-Brandon

keneva
03-21-2012, 12:11 PM
I was told by a good source that Pazin is working on revamping the requirements that will make it standard throughout all 58 counties. 8 hr. training may be one of the new changes.

oosickness
03-21-2012, 2:53 PM
Whats the good word?

BlK Lantern
03-21-2012, 11:07 PM
I've tried best I could in trying to acquire a CCW through MC but I just don't have the $$$ to spare for legal representation at this time. As I've stated in a previous post I was denied with no explanation. I served nearly 12 years in the military & several years in civil service with a clearance. I passed a background check & personality test for my current employer. I was even denied without even submitting prints. To top it all when I asked for a copy of my packet it had another person's CLETS. I called MCSO & was told the CLETS was sent back with mu copy in error. On top of this I have a buddy that's getting his CCW because his dad & the Sheriff are friends- go figure!

Flightmedic145
04-07-2012, 10:25 AM
Well.. turned in my application yesterday and was I should get something in the mail within 3 months. Does anyone else have any experience of how the process works in merced county?

I just turned mine in about 2 weeks ago and already received my letter back from the under sheriff. I was denied. It didn't make it to Pazin, but im not giving up. Im going to try to get it to him directly. :facepalm:

Ryan_D
04-07-2012, 10:55 AM
What was the reason for denial?

HowardW56
04-07-2012, 12:09 PM
I just turned mine in about 2 weeks ago and already received my letter back from the under sheriff. I was denied. It didn't make it to Pazin, but im not giving up. Im going to try to get it to him directly. :facepalm:

Did the Sheriff provide a reason for denial?

BlK Lantern
04-07-2012, 11:24 PM
Sheriff never provided me a reason either & after discussing the issue off record with several people including all in all the Sheriff has the power to discriminate...

Ryan_D
04-08-2012, 12:34 AM
Apparently he's not too interested in helping his cause with the lawsuit...

Maverick831
04-09-2012, 2:18 PM
Mine was denied as well.. due to my lack of a good cause statement. I was also told a ccw is a privilege and not a right.

rivraton
04-09-2012, 6:27 PM
Mine was denied as well.. due to my lack of a good cause statement. I was also told a ccw is a privilege and not a right.

That must be their standard denial letter. Was it signed by Obayashi?

ThiZZ
04-12-2012, 11:11 PM
Are you required to pass a drug test when applying for your CCW?

BlK Lantern
04-15-2012, 2:52 PM
Sheriff Pazin has taught me it us okay for me to defend my country but NOT my family. I've known Merced County for over 30 years & that Good O' Boy mentality has always been there at the top. It's no wonder Castle AFB packed there bags & left...

JohnC'sBobcat
04-15-2012, 3:33 PM
I have to wonder if the possibility of another suit re: operations at the S/O (article in Sun-Star a day or two ago--Thursday or Friday?) will change how Pazin starts to do business in the future?

greasemonkey
04-16-2012, 10:06 AM
I have to wonder if the possibility of another suit re: operations at the S/O (article in Sun-Star a day or two ago--Thursday or Friday?) will change how Pazin starts to do business in the future?

Based on how many times Pazin has already been sued in the past, I doubt it. He seems to have some pretty serious contempt for being told how to do his job.

BlK Lantern
05-06-2012, 1:07 PM
I will reapply but I also want to speak with Sheriff Pazin but not without the company of an attorney

wildhawker
05-06-2012, 2:04 PM
I will reapply but I also want to speak with Sheriff Pazin but not without the company of an attorney

And what would you or your attorney tell Pazin that he doesn't know or hasn't been told?

That meeting's not a wise strategic move. They will have to include County Counsel, who will advise the sheriff to say nothing and simply listen to you as a constituent and one expressing an interest in a service. Enjoy the $500 meeting that does nothing.

It's a binary decision: litigate or don't. (Hint: he's already being sued. By us.)

-Brandon

BlK Lantern
06-17-2012, 8:01 PM
Can't win for losing...

deldgeetar
07-06-2012, 11:57 AM
Any updates??

Ryan_D
07-20-2012, 4:49 PM
Have there been any updates, particularly on good-cause statements? What is the status of the lawsuit at present?

gabrielvalenz
08-10-2012, 9:24 PM
If anyone knows any new information, please share. I also want to get a permit, but Pazin being Pazin.

JohnC'sBobcat
08-10-2012, 9:37 PM
Well, right now it seems the S/O is in a bit more turmoil than usual. Something about a Captain retiring right before an investigation into his alleged misdeeds completes its report...

wildhawker
08-11-2012, 10:45 AM
Have there been any updates, particularly on good-cause statements? What is the status of the lawsuit at present?

We're narrowing the case pre-trial. We and Merced have been going back and forth on revised policy language for a while now.

-Brandon

gabrielvalenz
08-11-2012, 3:38 PM
We're narrowing the case pre-trial. We and Merced have been going back and forth on revised policy language for a while now.

-Brandon

Thanks for the info! Keep us posted. :confused:

Ryan_D
08-20-2012, 8:18 PM
At this point, do you think it's worth it to apply for my CCW, or should I wait until there is some sort of resolution to the lawsuit?

Ryan_D
08-20-2012, 8:24 PM
So basically what you're saying is: "Merced has been sending us a bunch of different papers that basically let them do the same thing they're already doing but they're using different words to describe it, and we keep telling them to stop being dork-tards and just follow the state law" ? LOLWe're narrowing the case pre-trial. We and Merced have been going back and forth on revised policy language for a while now.

-Brandon

Ryan_D
10-26-2012, 9:59 AM
Kinda seems like...

HowardW56
10-26-2012, 10:11 AM
Kinda seems like...


The thread may be quiet, but the attorneys are still doing their thing...

Ryan_D
10-26-2012, 10:18 AM
Is the Maryland appeals case being factored into the strategy going forward at all?

keneva
11-05-2012, 3:25 PM
2nd business owner, that I know of, turned down by our sheriff in the last 2 months. The last statement is really wrong. "If you are concerned for your safety, maybe you should change where you are going and what you are doing as to not put your self in a dangerous situation" WTF?

Ryan_D
11-05-2012, 3:44 PM
God I gotta get out of this hell-hole state.

rivraton
11-05-2012, 5:04 PM
Yeah, Ken. That is pretty much the message I got with my denial as well...

Ryan_D
11-29-2012, 8:45 PM
Admins has there been any progress/movement on the lawsuit with Blazin Pazin? I want to apply for my CCW in probably February.

wildhawker
11-29-2012, 9:11 PM
Is the Maryland appeals case being factored into the strategy going forward at all?

Factored into? What do you think Richards v. Prieto is about? ;)

-Brandon

wildhawker
11-29-2012, 9:11 PM
Admins has there been any progress/movement on the lawsuit with Blazin Pazin? I want to apply for my CCW in probably February.

Yes, but nothing we can report on yet. 2 weeks. Seriously.

-Brandon

Ryan_D
12-03-2012, 12:05 AM
Factored into? What do you think Richards v. Prieto is about? ;)

-Brandon

My apologies, but I'm not up to speed on the Richards v Prieto case. Is there a thread regarding it on this site?

Eagerly awaiting (hopefully positive) news :)

Kicker0429
12-03-2012, 10:50 AM
My apologies, but I'm not up to speed on the Richards v Prieto case. Is there a thread regarding it on this site?

Eagerly awaiting (hopefully positive) news :)

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Richards_v._Prieto

BlK Lantern
12-05-2012, 8:07 AM
Why doesn't the citizens of Mereced County just simply vote him out next election he has done NOTHING for the county only build up a county jail full of felons serving 5+ years. Have you been to Merced lately it looks like mini-Oakland with over 50 different gangs.

Kicker0429
12-05-2012, 11:06 AM
Why doesn't the citizens of Mereced County just simply vote him out next election he has done NOTHING for the county only build up a county jail full of felons serving 5+ years. Have you been to Merced lately it looks like mini-Oakland with over 50 different gangs.

Incumbent sheriffs in California stay in office as long as they want. Sad but true.

keneva
12-05-2012, 5:06 PM
And besides, Merced Co. is in the same state that voted for O'Bummer, Costa, Boxer, Pelosi and Fienstien.

Ryan_D
12-05-2012, 8:08 PM
We didn't vote for Pelosi...she represents a District in San Francisco.
However, point taken. The good 'ole boy network is alive and well in Merced County.

ThiZZ
12-13-2012, 11:28 PM
I have ADHD and am on ADHD medication. In the application it has the bit about psychological testing etc etc. Am I wasting my time by doing this? Will they deny me due to my medical condition?

JohnC'sBobcat
12-13-2012, 11:42 PM
I have ADHD and am on ADHD medication. In the application it has the bit about psychological testing etc etc. Am I wasting my time by doing this? Will they deny me due to my medical condition?

Don't worry, if it's not the ADHD, they'll deny you for some other reason.:mad:

Ryan_D
12-13-2012, 11:50 PM
I have ADHD and am on ADHD medication. In the application it has the bit about psychological testing etc etc. Am I wasting my time by doing this? Will they deny me due to my medical condition?

'Tis true...they'll find a reason to deny you. As an aside, my understanding of the Sunshine Initiative is that requiring such testing would be unconstitutional because there is no reason to, and it is not provided for under state statute (please, if I'm wrong, someone correct me).

Hoping the 9th rules the right way in the Prieto case so we can get this crap settled! :rolleyes:

ThiZZ
12-13-2012, 11:55 PM
Don't worry, if it's not the ADHD, they'll deny you for some other reason.:mad:

Has anyone here been approved? This pisses me off because I live in Delhi and its really gone to ****. Also I work in Turlock and almost all my co workers have their CCW in Stan County.

JohnC'sBobcat
12-13-2012, 11:57 PM
'Tis true...they'll find a reason to deny you. As an aside, my understanding of the Sunshine Initiative is that requiring such testing would be unconstitutional because there is no reason to, and it is not provided for under state statute (please, if I'm wrong, someone correct me).

Hoping the 9th rules the right way in the Prieto case so we can get this crap settled! :rolleyes:

Word.

Ryan_D
12-14-2012, 12:01 AM
Has anyone here been approved? This pisses me off because I live in Delhi and its really gone to ****. Also I work in Turlock and almost all my co workers have their CCW in Stan County.

You could consider applying for one through Stanislaus County, since your work has you spending a large amount of time there...it would be up to Christianson to decided whether that was good enough cause or not.

ThiZZ
12-14-2012, 12:04 AM
You could consider applying for one through Stanislaus County, since your work has you spending a large amount of time there...it would be up to Christianson to decided whether that was good enough cause or not.

I thought you had to apply in the county you live in?

Ryan_D
12-14-2012, 12:10 AM
I thought you had to apply in the county you live in?

I stand corrected. Christianson's policy states that you must be a resident of the county you are applying in. I only mentioned the previous comment because I thought I had read somewhere that if you spent a significant amount of time in a particular county (e.g. work) then you could apply in that county.

Ryan_D
12-27-2012, 12:47 AM
I assume this suit is awaiting a decision in the Peruta case, correct?

Kicker0429
12-27-2012, 11:43 AM
I assume this suit is awaiting a decision in the Peruta case, correct?

No, this case is completely unrelated to the federal court cases. This one is in state court and seeks to force the sheriff to conform to state law.

Ryan_D
12-27-2012, 11:55 AM
Yes, I know...but a favorable ruling in the Peruta case would go a long way to *forcing* compliance. SAF and CGF would be able to point to the Peruta ruling, as well as Moore v Madigan in addition to D.C. v Heller rulings re: where a right to self-defense exists, while also saying "Look, 9th Circuit already ruled that you have to tell people what your policy is, just like the Yolo County Sheriff has to" (if, in fact, the ruling came back favorably).

jgraham7897
12-31-2012, 12:51 PM
Has anyone here been approved? This pisses me off because I live in Delhi and its really gone to ****. Also I work in Turlock and almost all my co workers have their CCW in Stan County.

I know how you feel. My parents live in Delhi and had at least 5 shootings across the street from them. I don't go anymore without protection.

keneva
12-31-2012, 5:35 PM
I was attacked by 2 pitbulls last Sat. morning at 6 am as I opened my front door. Lucky I had turned on my front porch light before I went out. Shot the 1st one 3 ft from me and the second on about 30 ft away. I live in the county.
The Animal contro.l officer said that he was turned down by Pazin. WTF?

scoutman
01-02-2013, 9:18 PM
I was all set to apply.... but.... Looks like it might be good to wait for some news?

Ryan_D
01-02-2013, 9:30 PM
That's what I am doing right now as well...just waiting to see how the Richards decision comes down, and what changes it might force.

Gene or Brandon, do you have any input on this?

JohnC'sBobcat
01-08-2013, 8:16 PM
I was attacked by 2 pitbulls last Sat. morning at 6 am as I opened my front door. Lucky I had turned on my front porch light before I went out. Shot the 1st one 3 ft from me and the second on about 30 ft away. I live in the county.
The Animal contro.l officer said that he was turned down by Pazin. WTF?

Heck, wasn't uncommon a couple years ago for reserve deputies to get turned down, even after being there for a year, two, or more at nearly full-time hours and responsibility.
And of course, the SO's policy isn't in line with HR218, even with the CA AG's opinion thereon, so they're SOL unless they want to risk termination and prosecution.

But the BS that Pazin is pulling on all fronts has to stop.

Ryan_D
01-08-2013, 8:23 PM
The good 'ole boy network bureaucratic state will impose its will upon whomever it wishes...

JohnC'sBobcat
01-08-2013, 9:09 PM
I forgot to add that I have no current knowledge of how business goes at the SO anymore. Last time I was in touch was about 2 years ago, maybe a little longer.
But from comments here and around town, doesn't seem like much has changed in the interim.