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obeygiant
10-14-2010, 10:18 PM
UPDATE (2015 March 04): removed dead links to out-of-date CGF materials. Here's a link to the sheriff's CCW information webpage:
http://www.madera-county.com/index.php/concealed-weapons-permit-forms

UPDATE (2014 Sept 11): Per my (Paladin) post below (#30), Madera appears to accept mere self-defense (SD) as sufficient Good Cause (GC). See RANDO's posts 36 & 37 as well.

If anyone applies for a CCW using "self-defense" as Good Cause and is rejected for lack of/insufficient GC, please post such here and PM me (Paladin, username link in post #30 below), and I'll revised this OP and the thread title.

greasemonkey
11-23-2010, 11:19 AM
Come oooonnn madera!!!!

Release those documents :)

I can't tell you how many people have replied to requests for help in Merced County saying they can't because they're in Madera County...I hope all those folks show up when it's go-time here in Madera!

Blackhawk556
11-23-2010, 12:27 PM
i was looking at the madera application and it says that a written test may be taken. what type of info is on the test?
i don't remember reading about this

anyone?

greasemonkey
11-23-2010, 12:37 PM
i was looking at the madera application and it says that a written test may be taken. what type of info is on the test?
i don't remember reading about this

anyone?

Are you talking about a written test for the safety/aptitude qualification? What part of the application process does the written test satisfy?

Blackhawk556
11-23-2010, 12:43 PM
on the madera application is says

"At the time of your appointment, you will take a written test, be fingerprinted, and photographed"

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/du9207/screen-capture-14.jpg

greasemonkey
11-23-2010, 2:51 PM
I'm unfamiliar with the written test requirement and whether or not it's an acceptable requirement. In looking through the Fresno standard op procedures, I don't see anything about a written test.

I'll keep digging, hopefully someone else will chime in soon with a more definitive answer.

PORCH
11-23-2010, 6:30 PM
I'm good friends with a Madera County deputy and you guys in Madera are worrying for nothing. They are shall issue as long as you pass the background.

wildhawker
11-23-2010, 7:27 PM
I'm good friends with a Madera County deputy and you guys in Madera are worrying for nothing. They are shall issue as long as you pass the background.

Great - then it will be no problem for them to reflect it in their written policy.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P1KK-Uc_jQo/TCtl2oJZJLI/AAAAAAAABbk/APg3Zsq3DGE/s400/moneymouth.jpg

Blackhawk556
11-27-2010, 11:29 PM
on the madera application is says

"At the time of your appointment, you will take a written test, be fingerprinted, and photographed"

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/du9207/screen-capture-14.jpg

anybody ever found out what the written test mentioned above is about??

kln5
12-05-2010, 10:18 PM
anybody ever found out what the written test mentioned above is about??

The written test is a ten question multiple choice test similar to the hsc test. Only it is ccw type questions.

Madera county is shall issue.

sergeantrex
12-19-2010, 10:42 AM
I'm good friends with a Madera County deputy and you guys in Madera are worrying for nothing. They are shall issue as long as you pass the background.

This is true. I have a good friend an RN who carries. He said the process was easy as pie.

wildhawker
12-19-2010, 12:32 PM
Excellent! Then the Sheriff should simply revise his policy to reflect such and eliminate those sections which run afoul of state and federal law.

Blackhawk556
12-29-2010, 5:57 PM
It seems no new counties have released their good cause statements in a while. Does (peruta

wildhawker
12-29-2010, 6:25 PM
It seems no new counties have released their good cause statements in a while. Does (peruta

Peruta isn't really bearing at all here. The issues with release of applications are those of statute, CBS, Inc. v. Block, and (especially) CGF v. Ventura.

The law enforcement community has circled the wagons and we'll need the win in Ventura to move recalcitrant counties forward (rapidly).

Blackhawk556
03-19-2011, 10:08 PM
any progress on madera releasing their accepted statements?
I'm thinking of starting the process in the next several days.

maderashooter
03-20-2011, 1:02 AM
No need madera is one. Of the easyest to get ccw

maderashooter
03-20-2011, 1:09 AM
Same bla ? Can yoou connceal carry in court. Can it be loaded rtr and ccw ect also travel in roural areas were police response/ability to contact police is limited is good enough reason

Blackhawk556
03-20-2011, 1:11 AM
Same bla ? Can yoou connceal carry in court. Can it be loaded rtr and ccw ect also travel in roural areas were police response/ability to contact police is limited is good enough reason

i'm having a hard time understanding this part. can you explain it again?

maderashooter
03-20-2011, 1:17 AM
They ask you blunt obvious questions to cover there *** and get rid of " I didn't. Knjow I couldn't do that "

maderashooter
03-20-2011, 1:19 AM
Such as can you ccw loaded and racked or can u ccw in police station

painkiller
03-21-2011, 8:46 PM
I don't remember taking a test for madera county,but as stated before they are shall issue.the pre qual course one can take at sun mountain gun club,free of charge,fought by one of the deputies.it's top notch beginner stuff,and the deputy who teaches it is top notch as well.seriously nothing to worry about

spencerhut
10-22-2011, 8:01 AM
If you live in Madera county, have a clean record and are breathing, the only reason you do not have a CCW is that you have not applied for it.
Free CCW class every month.
Protection of self and family as just cause.
Minimal fees
There is no excuse in Madera county to not have a CCW

greasemonkey
10-22-2011, 11:35 AM
If you live in Madera county, have a clean record and are breathing, the only reason you do not have a CCW is that you have not applied for it.
Free CCW class every month.
Protection of self and family as just cause.
Minimal fees
There is no excuse in Madera county to not have a CCW
Ditto.

Madera County shows a whopping 1,059 active permits; or 9.804 permits per 1,000 adults according to CGF's License to Carry Initiative County map (http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative):



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z8CjF7yRBvY/TqMZwCrMpmI/AAAAAAAAFB8/dwgxgHVzkw0/s1280/LTC.Initiative.Madera.png

painkiller
01-09-2014, 6:47 PM
Glad this is still up and glad someone sent me a link I never wouldve found it.

toyotaguy
06-12-2014, 4:16 PM
The link in the first post is dead. I have a friend in Madera county I was hoping to send this way to help get the process started.

JohnCCW
06-28-2014, 9:42 AM
The link in the first post is dead. I have a friend in Madera county I was hoping to send this way to help get the process started.

If your friend doesn't want to print out the forms, he can go to the Sheriff's office's in Madera or Oakhurst and pick them up. Think the package of forms is free. The Madera County permit fee is comparatively low.

Here is a working link to the page.
http://www.madera-county.com/index.php/concealed-weapons-permit-forms

Peter.Steele
09-11-2014, 4:01 PM
The forms are free, and can be found here (http://www.madera-county.com/index.php/concealed-weapons-permit-forms).

The process is ridiculously easy. There was a waiting list for the free class, so I took the paid class at Houlding's, which was still taught by the same Sheriff's LT that approves your license. He flat out told us in class that he would accept "to protect my life and the lives of my family" as good cause, so that's what we should all put on our applications.

I haven't looked at the forms lately, but when I did mine (and that reminds me - renewal is coming up before too much longer!) I was surprised to find that the actual fees that Madera County charges are lower than the fees that were listed on the forms, by a few bucks. The lady that took my forms told me that they'd reduced the fees to the point that would just minimally cover their costs, because they wanted as many people as possible to get the permits.

Captiontom
09-11-2014, 4:05 PM
The forms are free, and can be found here (http://www.madera-county.com/index.php/concealed-weapons-permit-forms).

The process is ridiculously easy. There was a waiting list for the free class, so I took the paid class at Houlding's, which was still taught by the same Sheriff's LT that approves your license. He flat out told us in class that he would accept "to protect my life and the lives of my family" as good cause, so that's what we should all put on our applications.

I haven't looked at the forms lately, but when I did mine (and that reminds me - renewal is coming up before too much longer!) I was surprised to find that the actual fees that Madera County charges are lower than the fees that were listed on the forms, by a few bucks. The lady that took my forms told me that they'd reduced the fees to the point that would just minimally cover their costs, because they wanted as many people as possible to get the permits.

got mine recently form madera and it was extremely easy. Took about a month from start to finish.

JohnCCW
09-11-2014, 5:16 PM
I was told by the now retired Sheriff's LT, that only two words were necessary:
Self defense.

Also was told this Sheriff doesn't take any of the money collected. The mandatory minimum fees go to County and State general funds.

These people are aware that they work for Us, not the other way around. :clap:

Thanks for posting the link a second time, mine had too many words, but takes you there none the less... :D

Paladin
09-11-2014, 5:45 PM
The below from the 2nd page of the CCW FAQs .pdf linked at:
http://www.madera-county.com/index.php/concealed-weapons-permit-forms
Emphasis (bold, underlining, italics) are in the original.

I do NOT understand why the A to the Q continues beyond the underlined and italicized part if mere SD is truly sufficient GC. :confused:

Nonetheless, I'll edit the OP and thread title to "TIME TO APPLY!!!". :party:

*****

What is the minimal standard for the Good Cause Statement?

The basic principal that must be articulated is for defense of myself and my family against threats of serious injury or death from an assailant. There are numerous different ways to express this concept, but this is the basis for the “good cause” to issue a CCW. Many people understand, and should articulate, that law enforcement emergency responses may be quite extended in many areas of the county and wish to have a means to protect themselves against crimes of violence, involving a threat of great bodily injury or death, until law enforcement arrives. Many people will have other specific needs for an increased self defense ability, these should be clearly and briefly articulated (ie. owners or employees of businesses who carry large sums of money or valuable equipment; people who are required to travel or work in high crime or rural areas; people with physical impairments that would make it difficult or impossible to defend themselves or escape from an attack).

JohnCCW
09-12-2014, 8:08 PM
Well, I guess it is prudent to list the "official" GC statement verbatim on one's application.
What worked for me nearly 20 years ago could change...

RANDO
11-21-2014, 12:13 AM
do I have to be a resident of Madera for a certain period of time before applying? I'll be living there as of November 30th, can I apply the first week of December?

Paladin
11-21-2014, 7:16 AM
do I have to be a resident of Madera for a certain period of time before applying? I'll be living there as of November 30th, can I apply the first week of December?
I'd call them up and just ask what are the evidences needed to prove county residence.

You should also ask them if mere "self-defense" is a sufficient Good Cause statement, and if not, will that change once Peruta is finalized. If it is sufficient, you may want to suggest to them that they post that on their web because what they've got there now is confusing and may discourage law-abiding applicants.

Paladin
12-19-2014, 6:51 PM
do I have to be a resident of Madera for a certain period of time before applying? I'll be living there as of November 30th, can I apply the first week of December?

I'd call them up and just ask what are the evidences needed to prove county residence.

You should also ask them if mere "self-defense" is a sufficient Good Cause statement, and if not, will that change once Peruta is finalized. If it is sufficient, you may want to suggest to them that they post that on their web because what they've got there now is confusing and may discourage law-abiding applicants.

Did you ever contact them?

What did they say re. the questions/issues I suggested?

RANDO
12-19-2014, 7:10 PM
Sorry I dropped the ball, I've been really busy with my apprenticeship since moving to Madera county. I'll call the sheriff's office this week and head to the police dept around the corner and get some info to update everyone.

RANDO
01-20-2015, 6:20 PM
So. I finally called and spoke to the lady that handles the CCW stuff (I don't remeber her name) and asked her if I could apply using the 2014 application still available online, I also asked if there was a minimum amount of time time I had to be a resident of Madera county, and I asked if there was a minimum age requirement. I was told the 2014 application is still good for the 2015 year, they "prefer" you to be resident for at least 6 months and the minimum age is 21. She also said I could go to the DMV and get one of the brown paper cards to use for my new address and that because I began living within the county in the beginning of December that I should still apply and by the time I'm approved i would have lived here for 6 months

RANDO
01-23-2015, 3:31 PM
So I just spoke to the sheriff's office and asked if self defense was a sufficient enough reason to obtain a ccw permit and I was told I don't need a reason, approval depends on the applicant's background.

Blackhawk556
01-23-2015, 5:48 PM
So I just spoke to the sheriff's office and asked if self defense was a sufficient enough reason to obtain a ccw permit and I was told I don't need a reason, approval depends on the applicant's background.
This is awesome :D

Paladin
01-23-2015, 5:58 PM
So I just spoke to the sheriff's office and asked if self defense was a sufficient enough reason to obtain a ccw permit and I was told I don't need a reason, approval depends on the applicant's background.
:party:

That's Great! That solves the problem for the vast majority of law-abiding folks in Madera Co.

Next Q: Does "legal to own" a firearm = GMC? Or do they go around asking your employer and/or neighbors if they approve of you getting a permit to carry a "hidden gun"? :rolleyes:

I don't live in Madera Co. Where I live, the antis vastly out number Americans who believe in a RKBA or our 2nd A. Not only would they not approve of me (or anyone else) getting a CCW, it could cause friction w/neighbors as well as let them know I've got guns in my home. (Thus, their teenage kids will known, and whoever those kids want to tell will know, and so on it goes until BGs find out.... :facepalm:)

RANDO
01-23-2015, 6:56 PM
The sherrif offers 1 free class a month to new applicants instead of having them pay for a ccw course. When the sherrif was running for election his campaign signs had his name and the "J" in his name was an inverted pistol

JohnCCW
02-25-2015, 10:37 PM
LOL- Only in Madera Co is "you don't need a reason" good cause.
:party:

Paladin
02-26-2015, 9:06 PM
LOL- Only in Madera Co is "you don't need a reason" good cause.
:party:
Does anyone know if anyone's been issued a CCW by Warnke using just "self-defense" as GC?

He made a lot of campaign promises re. cleaning up Madera's CCW application-issuance process and I'd like to find out if he's keeping them.

If he's not, he'll not be the first CA sheriff who's turned out to be nothing more than "a politician w/a gun & a badge...." :mad:

BigEFan
02-27-2015, 8:20 AM
A couple of things:

1) Warnke is the Sheriff in Merced County, not Madera County. Merced has had a history of not being pro-2A, though I am not sure if that has changed in the last two months since Warnke took the helm.

2) Jay Varney is now the Madera County Sheriff and he is very much PRO-CCW and PRO-2A. The former Sheriff was great, and I mean great for CCW's and I expect Sheriff Varney will be no different.

If you live in MadCo, have a clear background and want a CCW you just have to fill out the paperwork and attend a free class. DO IT!!! I have been a MadCO CCW for quite a while and I can tell you that our County is one of easiest to get one.

Paladin
02-27-2015, 10:50 AM
A couple of things:

1) Warnke is the Sheriff in Merced County, not Madera County. Merced has had a history of not being pro-2A, though I am not sure if that has changed in the last two months since Warnke took the helm.
:kest:

I look forward to the day when we won't even need a Concealed Carry County Info forum because the entire state will have one uniform Shall Issue law.

Thx for catching my mistake.

Peter.Steele
06-25-2015, 6:24 PM
Next Q: Does "legal to own" a firearm = GMC? Or do they go around asking your employer and/or neighbors if they approve of you getting a permit to carry a "hidden gun"? :rolleyes:




So far as I can tell, "legal to own a firearm," combined with "truthful in your answers on the application" = GMC.

There's no questions asked of your employer or your neighbors. The only reason they ask about your employer is because the state permit has stuff on it for your employment information.

I changed jobs not too long before my renewal, and all I had to do was give them the new job title & work address, and I was good to go - they printed it on the form and sent me on my merry way.

JohnCCW
09-29-2015, 1:31 PM
Just noticed this on the MC Sheriff's website FAQ page:
How many handguns can I put on my permit?
You may list up to five handguns on your initial application. You may add up to a total of 10 handguns to
your permit after it has been issued. Most people will not practice with too many handguns though, so it
may be a better idea to only list and carry a few handguns that you are proficient with.

Is this new? I don't remember seeing/hearing anything like this when John Anderson was Sheriff.

Is this a Jay Varney change?

bikeznbeerz
10-06-2015, 10:44 AM
Anyone a recent CCW applicant with MadCo have a timeline for receiving their approval? My app and interview was mid-August. FBI came back fine, DOJ is taking its time...

Captiontom
10-18-2015, 12:06 PM
Anyone a recent CCW applicant with MadCo have a timeline for receiving their approval? My app and interview was mid-August. FBI came back fine, DOJ is taking its time...

It took me a month from start to finish last year. I would expect a call by the end of this month



Just noticed this on the MC Sheriff's website FAQ page:
How many handguns can I put on my permit?
You may list up to five handguns on your initial application. You may add up to a total of 10 handguns to
your permit after it has been issued. Most people will not practice with too many handguns though, so it
may be a better idea to only list and carry a few handguns that you are proficient with.

Is this new? I don't remember seeing/hearing anything like this when John Anderson was Sheriff.

Is this a Jay Varney change?

This isn't new, it's been on the website for at least a year. I think the policy is still as many as you can fit on the front and back

kln5
12-08-2015, 8:00 PM
Just noticed this on the MC Sheriff's website FAQ page:
How many handguns can I put on my permit?
You may list up to five handguns on your initial application. You may add up to a total of 10 handguns to
your permit after it has been issued. Most people will not practice with too many handguns though, so it
may be a better idea to only list and carry a few handguns that you are proficient with.

Is this new? I don't remember seeing/hearing anything like this when John Anderson was Sheriff.

Is this a Jay Varney change?

was at the sheriff's office today and added a couple of guns to my permit. i was told that i am now at the limit. i have 11 on it now.

also has any one noticed that they added a restriction to the permit:
1. attending public function where alcoholic beverages are being consumed and/or sold.

i know this was on our permits three or four years ago but got removed.
i am a little bothered with the new changes.

Blackhawk556
12-10-2015, 10:26 AM
was at the sheriff's office today and added a couple of guns to my permit. i was told that i am now at the limit. i have 11 on it now.

also has any one noticed that they added a restriction to the permit:
1. attending public function where alcoholic beverages are being consumed and/or sold.

i know this was on our permits three or four years ago but got removed.
i am a little bothered with the new changes.
What public functions do you attend regularly that serve alcohol?

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kln5
12-11-2015, 11:16 PM
What public functions do you attend regularly that serve alcohol?

Sent from my STV100-1 using Tapatalk

Now probably non at all. I used to attend the hockey games at Selland Arena regularly. btw I'm not an alcohol drinker and don't recommend that anyone carry after consuming alcohol. just seems like it is one step backward.

JohnCCW
12-19-2015, 3:18 PM
Snip...
also has any one noticed that they added a restriction to the permit:
1. attending public function where alcoholic beverages are being consumed and/or sold.

i know this was on our permits three or four years ago but got removed.
i am a little bothered with the new changes.

News to me, I've been permitted here nearly 20 years. Never read like that before.

JohnCCW
12-19-2015, 3:22 PM
Looks like the new Sheriff doesn't live up to his campaign rhetoric. We'll see if he restricts himself to becoming a one-term sheriff.