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obeygiant
10-14-2010, 11:17 PM
Los Angeles County CCW Policy and Application:
http://shq.lasdnews.net/content/uoa/EPC/ConcealedWeaponLicensPolicy.pdf

UPDATE (2015 March 01): Per the info in the image of SO's letter in posts #414 and #594 (the latter linked here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=15817677#post15817677), I've updated the title to this thread and its icon. The SO is accepting and holding apps using "self-defense" as Good Cause until Peruta is finalized. You should apply now to "get a place in line", so to speak, before a flood of applications get submitted once Peruta is finalized.

If you have Good Cause beyond mere "self-defense", they will accept and process your application now under their old (and still current) GC standard (i.e., highly restrictive issuance).


Anyone who gets denied in Los Angeles Co (either by a city's PD or by the Sheriff's Office), and wants to fight it should read the following quote from my ("Paladin") post in the Monterey Co thread. (There they accept SD as GC, but push the GMC requirement.) The 14th Amendment Equal Protection applies to ALL aspects of the application process, not just GC and GMC.



So, they say SD = GC, but then push GMC through the roof and, it appears, make your RKBA subject to your neighbors', co-workers' and friends' ratification.... :facepalm: :mad:

If Bernal does NOT follow this same procedure with ALL CCW applicants (think political donors, "friends of the sheriff"/"posse" members, politicians, celebrities), he's open for a Guillory-type 14th A Equal Protection federal lawsuit, but for GMC rather than GC.

Hypothetically, let's say there's a world-famous film star (and director) who lives in (and was once the mayor of) Carmel-By-The-Sea, a city which, acc to CGF's 2013 survey, does not issue CCWs. We'll call him "Mr. E." Let's suppose Mr. E has a Monterey SO CCW. When it is/was time to renew, if the sheriff has the same policy for renewals that means his "background investigator" would have to go to Mr. E's neighbors (who, unlike his friends, may be hard-core antis), and "ask them if they would recommend [Mr. E] be issued a CCW permit." Not only would the same procedure have to be followed, but the same standard as to judging whether to issue or not be followed. IOW, let's say 1 of your neighbors says "Nyet!" when asked if you should get a CCW and because of that you are denied. If 1 of Mr. E's neighbors also said "No!" and yet was issued, that too is a 14th A Equal Protection violation.

Added 03-22-16
Torrance PD recently started issuing CCWs:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1170826

West Covina folks are actively engaging the city council members to push the chief to liberalize issuance:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1166812
https://www.facebook.com/CCW4WESTCOVINA/

Glendora folks are also organizing:
https://www.facebook.com/Glendorans-...4722669483246/

Even little La Verne starting to organize to get their chief of police to issue CCWs liberally:
https://www.facebook.com/laVerneCCW

Hans Gruber
10-18-2010, 3:27 PM
I look forward to the day when us 'little people' can be afforded the right to defend ourselves with every tool available.

That's all :)

voiceofreason
10-18-2010, 8:49 PM
Sadly, L.A. county has the funds, the will, and the political muscle to fight and fight hard.

It will likely be one of the last counties to fall into compliance with the law.

We've been praying for relief from L.A. county's anti-CCW policies for years. Calguns is making it a reality. (single tear falls from eye)

THANK YOU CALGUNS!

AndrewMendez
10-18-2010, 8:58 PM
Sadly, L.A. county has the funds, the will, and the political muscle to fight and fight hard.

It will likely be one of the last counties to fall into compliance with the law.

We've been praying for relief from L.A. county's anti-CCW policies for years. Calguns is making it a reality. (single tear falls from eye)

THANK YOU CALGUNS!

I beg to differ. 1st, they don't have the money. With cuts to the schools, FD's and PD's, hiring freezes, etc, LA County DOES NOT have the money to pay for it. I will admit that it will more then likely be one of the last counties to fall though. But, there is no legal team in the world, that will save them, from the illegal acts they have been doing behind closed doors.

ryanburbridge
10-18-2010, 11:50 PM
Has anyone started the CCW process? My wife and I are saving money. It will be our Christmas present. Any one see a "self defense" good cause statement yet?

wildhawker
10-19-2010, 12:17 AM
I would suggest holding off until we are slightly farther along.

spgripside
10-19-2010, 1:05 AM
I would suggest holding off until we are slightly farther along.

2 weeks?

wildhawker
10-19-2010, 1:06 AM
2 weeks?

Something like that. :)

voiceofreason
10-19-2010, 5:45 AM
I beg to differ. 1st, they don't have the money. With cuts to the schools, FD's and PD's, hiring freezes, etc, LA County DOES NOT have the money to pay for it. I will admit that it will more then likely be one of the last counties to fall though. But, there is no legal team in the world, that will save them, from the illegal acts they have been doing behind closed doors.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong with every fiber of my being.

Though I would not be sad if L.A. county was one of the first to begin compliance.

Theseus
10-19-2010, 6:26 AM
Although a little late for me, I went to the City of Alhambra and asked about a permit (back when I would have been legal to apply) and was told that they don't issue. I looked up and found that they do issue (at least they have issued and recently). . .

As I understand, if a city issues, you apply to them unless they have stated that they defer to the sheriffs office. . . so how can they issue AND defer to the sheriffs office?

Paul E
10-19-2010, 8:50 AM
Sadly, L.A. county has the funds, the will, and the political muscle to fight and fight hard.

It will likely be one of the last counties to fall into compliance with the law.

We've been praying for relief from L.A. county's anti-CCW policies for years. Calguns is making it a reality. (single tear falls from eye)

THANK YOU CALGUNS!

I'm not doubting your statement, because I think its relatively right on...But on the bright side Trutanich (city attorney) is VERY gun friendly.

dantodd
10-19-2010, 11:35 AM
Although a little late for me, I went to the City of Alhambra and asked about a permit (back when I would have been legal to apply) and was told that they don't issue. I looked up and found that they do issue (at least they have issued and recently). . .

As I understand, if a city issues, you apply to them unless they have stated that they defer to the sheriffs office. . . so how can they issue AND defer to the sheriffs office?

They must accept your application unless they defer all of their applications to the sheriff. That being said, you can choose to apply at the city OR the sheriff, it is your choice.

AndrewMendez
10-19-2010, 12:38 PM
Although a little late for me, I went to the City of Alhambra and asked about a permit (back when I would have been legal to apply) and was told that they don't issue. I looked up and found that they do issue (at least they have issued and recently). . .

As I understand, if a city issues, you apply to them unless they have stated that they defer to the sheriffs office. . . so how can they issue AND defer to the sheriffs office?

They have to sign a "g" MUO indicating that they defer all of the CCW's to the County Sheriff.

moleculo
10-19-2010, 3:49 PM
This goes back a few years, but it was after Baca took office, so I guess it applies. I have a family member that obtained a CCW in Los Angeles, although it is no longer valid. At the time, he had a security guard card. He went and applied for the CCW and got approved without any further training required. All he did was show them his guard card, tell them that he got a new job transporting and guarding for a jewelry company. The remarkable thing was that they apparently didn't even bother to do the background check and find out if it was true.

I don't know if that story helps anything, but it does demonstrate how sad the whole CCW process in L.A. is.

moleculo
10-20-2010, 4:39 PM
Well, I just read the L.A. Sheriff's policy. It's basically a no-issue policy. Sucks.

socalblue
10-20-2010, 5:52 PM
They have to sign a "g" MUO indicating that they defer all of the CCW's to the County Sheriff.

The exception being CCW's issued to reserve police officers is usually maintained by the city when declaring "g"

mej16489
10-20-2010, 9:30 PM
The exception being CCW's issued to reserve police officers is usually maintained by the city when declaring "g"

This sounds like another procedural problem. I don't think there's such a thing as declaring partial-g

12050
(g) Nothing in this article shall preclude the chief or other head
of a municipal police department of any city from entering an
agreement with the sheriff of the county in which the city is located
for the sheriff to process all applications for licenses, renewals
of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this article.

dantodd
10-21-2010, 12:41 AM
Well, I just read the L.A. Sheriff's policy. It's basically a no-issue policy. Sucks.

The whole point of this drill is to work on opening up the policy to as many Gunnies as possible. Many sheriffs would like you to believe they are "no-issue" when the truth may well be different.

sighere
10-24-2010, 8:38 AM
I'm awaiting my denial letter. App received by L.A. County on 9/9/10.

CCWFacts
10-24-2010, 5:59 PM
Donate to Sheriff Baca and he'll help bust your enemies! (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/10/24/state/n171842D41.DTL&tsp=1)

The Times says the investigation was outside Baca's jurisdiction and Beverly Hills police had already concluded there was no crime involved.

The story says the sheriff sent a handwritten note to his chief of detectives requesting the probe and detectives gave it a special "rush" status normally reserved for serious crimes.

This is the kind of power that our country is not supposed to tolerate. This is the kind of abuse the colonists rebelled against.

AndrewMendez
10-25-2010, 1:43 AM
Donate to Sheriff Baca and he'll help bust your enemies! (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/10/24/state/n171842D41.DTL&tsp=1)



This is the kind of power that our country is not supposed to tolerate. This is the kind of abuse the colonists rebelled against.

Gosh damn that pissed me off. His time would be better off served if he tried one of those, "I am going back on patrol, because the budget" crap. What are the limits for gifting for members in office or of authority?

HowardW56
10-25-2010, 7:18 AM
The Los Angeles Times has the story too....

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-baca-donor-20101025,0,1170316.story

KarLorian
10-27-2010, 7:20 PM
Donate to Sheriff Baca and he'll help bust your enemies! (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/10/24/state/n171842D41.DTL&tsp=1)



This is the kind of power that our country is not supposed to tolerate. This is the kind of abuse the colonists rebelled against.

And stuff like this is why we need to get the records out into the sunshine about the Sheriff's implementation of CCW licenses.

He already gives preferential treatment like above, maybe (we know he does) he does the same with CCWs.

Bronco
10-30-2010, 7:56 AM
It wasn't so very long ago that if you told me you were starting a thread with the ultimate purpose of bringing the issuance of L.A. County CCW permits into compliance with the law, I would have chuckled and suggested that you might have better luck first devising the plan by which Justin Bieber would win the Heisman Trophy.

Not so anymore. I will be keeping an eye on this thread to determine when and how my actions and participation, beyond merely donating to the cause, might be useful in furthering the cause. Kudos to those who have helped to bring us to this point.

Gray Peterson
10-30-2010, 8:42 AM
It wasn't so very long ago that if you told me you were starting a thread with the ultimate purpose of bringing the issuance of L.A. County CCW permits into compliance with the law, I would have chuckled and suggested that you might have better luck first devising the plan by which Justin Bieber would win the Heisman Trophy.

Not so anymore. I will be keeping an eye on this thread to determine when and how my actions and participation, beyond merely donating to the cause, might be useful in furthering the cause. Kudos to those who have helped to bring us to this point.

Please put your name into the volunteer list. When we do the callout and get people applying, we'll need you to help us.

Bronco
10-30-2010, 2:54 PM
Please put your name into the volunteer list. When we do the callout and get people applying, we'll need you to help us.

Will do, Gray. Might you have a link for me?

obeygiant
10-30-2010, 3:34 PM
For reference:

Ah, finally an update. After over a year, I've gotten this letter from LAPD.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/5129001570_99c17d18f2_b.jpg

BigFatGuy
10-30-2010, 7:19 PM
Where do I sign up to volunteer to file and sue when the time comes?

obeygiant
10-30-2010, 8:13 PM
Where do I sign up to volunteer to file and sue when the time comes?

You can email your contact information to: Volunteer@calgunsfoundation.org and in the interim there is also an opportunity to Sponsor your county (http://www.cgfstore.org/) and support Carry License (CCW) reform (http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative).

Knight_Who_Says_Ni
11-02-2010, 10:21 PM
That CCW denial brings tears to my eyes. At what point do they realize that it is a RIGHT to bear arms! Not a privilege! "Law Enforcement resources..." Here there is 2 hour average response time for home invasion robberies, when seconds matter, the police are hours away.:rant:

n2k
11-16-2010, 9:05 AM
Contributed to the cause....

Cali4nia_AR
11-17-2010, 3:43 PM
For reference:

How did you go about to submit your app.? Was there a process you followed? Thx

socal-ar15
11-18-2010, 11:03 AM
That CCW denial brings tears to my eyes. At what point do they realize that it is a RIGHT to bear arms! Not a privilege! "Law Enforcement resources..." Here there is 2 hour average response time for home invasion robberies, when seconds matter, the police are hours away.:rant:

Two hours lol I was at a friends birthday party in North Hills when 3 men started braking into the cars. We called the police and it took them 3.5 hours to respond. My brother and I chased them off and then got an ear full from the responding officer on how we could get in trouble for our actions if we were to hurt the robbers. I want to know WTF is going on in this county.... do the cops take that long to respond for fear of being sued for doing their job. I for one don't need the police to protect me, I am a grown man who will defend himself and family from Criminals, but then it seems I will need an Attorney to defend me from the people sworn to protect me and every law abiding citizen. :mad:

obeygiant
11-20-2010, 2:28 PM
How did you go about to submit your app.? Was there a process you followed? Thx

I should have been more clear in my post. I was quoting jello2594 who had posted that letter and I wanted a copy of it here in this thread. I'm a resident of Orange County so I wouldn't be able to apply for LA. When the time comes to start the application process you will receive an email from Gray or Brandon with specific instructions on exactly how to proceed.

djleisure
11-24-2010, 4:18 PM
If this is a thread where we say we are interested in a CCW permit in LA county, then I'm in! Please let me know when the time is right and I'll apply.

I don't know if it helps (probably not) but I had a CCW permit in the state of Washington in the early/mid 90's. I actually used to CC around the city of Seattle completely legally (not sure if they issue them in the city any more.)

I'll keep my eye on this thread for further developments...

jonbirdt
11-26-2010, 1:20 PM
Why wait, we will have Peruta and Nordyke decisions before the end of the year?

http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Birdt_v._Baca-_FAC-_final.pdf

I think we have all patiently waited long enough for a right we all agree is ours. The more pressure put on LA County, the sooner we are going to realize any change. They arent going to do anything until a Central District Judge tells them they have to.

The application is availible, say self defense and protection of your family as good cause, get a denial and sue them.

CavTrooper
11-26-2010, 1:37 PM
Im not a lawyer, but doesnt the state law already lay out a timeline and fee schedule for CCW issuance?

If this is the case, doesnt asking the county court for these things make the complaint look a bit amateurish?

jonbirdt
11-26-2010, 1:42 PM
You sue in federal court for violation of civil rights, not state court.

HowardW56
11-26-2010, 2:07 PM
While I do not agree with your timing, as you have elected to move forward now, I wish you the best of luck.

Who did you draw for a Judge?

jonbirdt
11-26-2010, 2:17 PM
Gary Klausner- couldn't have asked for better.

HowardW56
11-26-2010, 2:28 PM
I hope that works out well for you, He was appointed by George W. Bush.

I felt that way about Stephen Wilson a couple years ago. While he is an excellent judge, he granted the defendants MSJ in a gun case. Judge WIlson was appointed by Ronald Reagan...

jonbirdt
11-26-2010, 2:47 PM
The one thing I know about the guy is he is a law and order conservative who does not bow to political influence, but I don't know his personal view on guns. That alone sets him far apart from much of the rest of the CD Bench.

CavTrooper
11-26-2010, 2:48 PM
Sorry. Replace "county" with "federal" and my question still stands.

HowardW56
11-26-2010, 3:06 PM
I've heard that about him.

Like I said earlier, I wish you luck...

Have any of the attorneys that are active in firearms and here on CGN offered any opinion or assistance?

I am just curious, not that it is any of my business…

jonbirdt
11-26-2010, 3:47 PM
Gura won't take on central district though he said he was going to file an eastern district case. It appears his northern district case is still pending a motion to amend. I met with Michel, and Gene sent Davis to attend. They are not interested in getting involved at this point. peruta and nordyke decisions are due by the end of the year and I think we are all just waiting to see what happens with both of those.

jonbirdt
11-26-2010, 4:50 PM
A lot depends on Nordyke and Peruta. If by some miracle both come down in our favor, and by the end of the year, then I will try and file my motion for summary judgment by the end of January with the hopes that we would have a favorable order in Los Angeles by next summer, but that is truly a best case and unlikely scenario. They will likely file a motion to dismiss and we will have to wait for a ruling on that, which could take months. there is also a small chance of a stay, and if Peruta and/or Nordyke go south then this isnt the right time for this fight in the Central District. My plan is to move this as fast as i can if Peruta and Nordyke are favorable.

obeygiant
11-26-2010, 5:04 PM
jonbirdt,

You have already been advised by Gene,Brandon,Gray and Chuck as to why this is an inopportune time for your case to be filed. This is not the forum or the thread for you to try and garner support for your actions as it is outside of the scope of the CCW Project.

HowardW56
11-26-2010, 6:41 PM
Gura has Richards v. Prieto (formerly Sykes v. McGinness) in the Eastern District. Was he going to file another one, maybe you reversed it, the motion to amend is pending in Richards v. Prieto. Maybe he has something for the Northern District coming up...

Once again, Good luck...

hoffmang
11-26-2010, 7:01 PM
Gura has Richards v. Prieto (formerly Sykes v. McGinness) in the Eastern District. Was he going to file another one, maybe you reversed it, the motion to amend is pending in Richards v. Prieto. Maybe he has something for the Northern District coming up...

Once again, Good luck...

I believe that Mr. Birdt is confused about which district courts are where. Richards has been fully amended.

I also would not characterize the universal advice given in the same way.

-Gene

HowardW56
11-26-2010, 7:13 PM
I believe that Mr. Birdt is confused about which district courts are where. Richards has been fully amended.

I also would not characterize the universal advice given in the same way.

-Gene
.
Sorry Gene, I must have misread the docket...

I knew there was a stipulated motion to amend with the amended complaint filed... I didn't notice whether the Judge had actually signed off on the motion...

jonbirdt
11-27-2010, 6:40 AM
Gene- you can't censor what I say by deleting my posts and then respond the way you want. oh wait, yeah, you can, you control the information you choose to feed no matter how wrong it is. Given your censorship and lies I will not post on this group anymore and once again renew my request to have you delete my account. good luck comrade.

Gray Peterson
11-27-2010, 7:37 AM
Gene- you can't censor what I say by deleting my posts and then respond the way you want. oh wait, yeah, you can, you control the information you choose to feed no matter how wrong it is. Given your censorship and lies I will not post on this group anymore and once again renew my request to have you delete my account. good luck comrade.

The decision to moderate your posts in the LA County forum as off-topic was mine, not Gene's. Perpetuating your own victimhood by your reactions is pretty epic.

hoffmang
11-27-2010, 10:44 AM
Gene- you can't censor what I say by deleting my posts and then respond the way you want. oh wait, yeah, you can, you control the information you choose to feed no matter how wrong it is. Given your censorship and lies I will not post on this group anymore and once again renew my request to have you delete my account. good luck comrade.

I'd suggest you take this to the 2A forum where it's not off topic. I'd also suggest you start being honest with this community.

-Gene

spgripside
01-02-2011, 10:23 AM
I can only imagine Baca hasn't been cooperative to requests for good cause statements. Not a surprise. Any updates for LA county?

Spooled Up
01-05-2011, 10:13 PM
Nevermind

kaosfreak
01-14-2011, 4:46 PM
subscribed!

i am very interested in get my ccw, but as most people in this county, i have no good cause that would be good enough for the MAN, even though self-protection should be. o well, the joy of living in an overpriced city!

jello2594
01-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Another $100 for Los Angeles - thanks to the end of AB962.

26A67621JM593403N

Spooled Up
01-19-2011, 6:53 PM
Nevermind

Kid Stanislaus
01-20-2011, 9:26 PM
Does anyone here live in LA and have a CCW?

I doubt that any liberal movie stars or politicians frequent this site.;)

beemaze
01-26-2011, 1:12 PM
I know of two people that live in L.A. County (outside the city of L.A.) that have CCW permits issued to them by the county sheriff. I know they have "good cause" i.e. carrying large amounts of cash/jewelry. But I would really like to know what else constitutes "good cause" at this time. I work in property owned by me in neighborhoods such as South L.A. and Compton. My livelihood also depends on my driving from said work place through these neighborhoods. I have had no break ins in my property for over 7 years that I've been there. Vandalism on the outside and someone broke a window during regular business hours. Cars have occasionally been broken into. At worst, one or two people came into my businesses carrying a screwdriver for no good reason. LAPD was called in one instance and the person was escorted out by them. Before I worked there, there was a person shot on the street and tried coming into our locked business for assistance. The employees didn't open the door, but called 911. Something tells me none of this is enough for a "good cause". Clearly, the potential for violence does exist at a higher rate in the neighborhoods in which I work, but to have wait for a more violent incident to occur in order to have "good cause" makes me livid.

Spooled Up
01-27-2011, 10:12 AM
Nevermind

nobama
01-27-2011, 5:07 PM
This might be a stupid question but...what is the benefit of waiting to turn them all in together?

D-Man
01-28-2011, 6:00 AM
We need certain ducks to line up before we submit. Such as publicly available "Good Cause Statements" and other legal pieces. Once those are in place then we apply which opens up the county Sheriff upon refusal to litigation.

Kid Stanislaus
01-28-2011, 12:28 PM
Play the game Nobama, we are slooooooowly making progress here in the PRC. We need to stick together and march with a solid front. United we stand..........

Spooled Up
02-01-2011, 12:17 PM
Nevermind

Dirtbozz
02-01-2011, 12:19 PM
I am completing sections 1-5 like it says. On the first page it ask to sign your name/date and under that has a witness signature/badge number. Who do I have sign the witness/badge number? Someone there when I drop off my packet?

Section 1-5 of what? Are you applying for a CCW in LA County?

Spooled Up
02-01-2011, 12:23 PM
Section 1-5 of what? Are you applying for a CCW in LA County?

Correct, sections 1-5 of the CCW application. Sorry I should have said that.

Spooled Up
02-01-2011, 4:00 PM
Nevermind

nobama
02-01-2011, 4:14 PM
I thought we are supposed to wait???

HowardW56
02-01-2011, 4:23 PM
I thought we are supposed to wait???


It has been recommended that we wait.

There are always some people who run off & do something half assed...

He'll be back here in a few months complaining that he has been denied.

Spooled Up
02-01-2011, 4:28 PM
Nevermind

voiceofreason
02-01-2011, 5:08 PM
My wife made the observation that it is interesting that one may possibly qualify for a CCW if carrying large amounts of cash/jewelry...

but a CCW for protecting your children would not be a qualifying reason.

Our priorities as a society are sadly misplaced.

"But the guy carrying the money is most likely to be robbed!"

And the single mother with children in tow/elderly person/disabled person isn't likely to be victimized?

No. They're just not as important as the movie stars, politicians, and political donors.

Your kid can commit murder and if you're politically connected enough, you can get his sentence lightened.

beemaze
02-01-2011, 5:38 PM
No. They're just not as important as the movie stars, politicians, and political donors.



And that's the sickness we must cure from the system in order for things to change in our favor for CCW.

zoglog
02-03-2011, 6:20 PM
thanks for the informative thread, i'll be on the lookout :)

palakaboy
02-13-2011, 1:02 AM
subscribed and will email for volunteer.

Spooled Up
02-17-2011, 7:12 PM
Nevermind

HowardW56
02-18-2011, 7:51 AM
Received a letter from the Sheriff Dept. They said since the city I live in is incorporated I need to apply to them first. If the chief of police denies my request for a CCW then I need to send everything to the Sheriff. So time to fill out some forms to the P.D.

Requiring that you apply to your local police department is improper. It is not supported by statute...

Spooled Up
02-18-2011, 9:23 AM
Nevermind

Spooled Up
02-18-2011, 3:06 PM
Anymore thoughts/suggestions?

HowardW56
02-18-2011, 3:19 PM
Anymore thoughts/suggestions?


I seem to recall expecting this result....

It has been recommended that we wait.

There are always some people who run off & do something half assed...

He'll be back here in a few months complaining that he has been denied.

Why don't you read this thread from the beginning, and then contact Wildhawker or Gray Peterson...

Yugo
02-18-2011, 3:54 PM
So should we have the ccw form ready and filled out and we wait to turn it all in together? Or should I just fill it out when the time comes?

HowardW56
02-18-2011, 4:02 PM
So should we have the ccw form ready and filled out and we wait to turn it all in together? Or should I just fill it out when the time comes?


Here is the application... http://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw_app.pdf

Even if you print slowly, it shouldn't take very long to complete it....

Spooled Up
02-18-2011, 8:55 PM
Nevermind

RoundEye
02-19-2011, 10:54 AM
I am here to support the cause when the time comes.

So does this mean that we should take the required CCW course in anticipation of submitting an application fairly soon? If I take the course, how long are the hours good for before I would need to take it again?

fit1977
02-19-2011, 1:41 PM
I am ready to apply when you say go!

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Yugo
02-19-2011, 3:35 PM
I am here to support the cause when the time comes.

So does this mean that we should take the required CCW course in anticipation of submitting an application fairly soon? If I take the course, how long are the hours good for before I would need to take it again?


same question? :confused::confused:

Kid Stanislaus
02-20-2011, 6:24 AM
Anymore thoughts/suggestions?

Yeah, listen to what people here are trying to tell you. :rolleyes:

cybersync
02-26-2011, 5:39 PM
My wife and I are notaries for the state of CA from the county of Los Angeles, we are in situations every week that are uncertain. May I apply for a CCW?

kablooie
02-26-2011, 7:22 PM
ANYONE can apply for CCW... getting approved is a completely different subject, i mean problem.

PI-Shooter
03-07-2011, 12:54 PM
I also want to be in the loop. Please let me know when the time is right and the steps we need to take to obtain our CCW lic.

I recently moved back from NV where I still have my NvCCw. I now reside in LA county.

Thanks

SiRay6
03-14-2011, 3:50 PM
just sponsored L.A. county

evil tyler durden
04-07-2011, 9:37 PM
The decision to moderate your posts in the LA County forum as off-topic was mine, not Gene's. Perpetuating your own victimhood by your reactions is pretty epic.

EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:43::43::43::43::43::43:

filetitan
04-10-2011, 6:36 PM
subscribed

RippSpeed
04-11-2011, 4:28 AM
subscribed...

I too hate living in a anti-gun county/state... I wish I could easily get a ccw same as other states. I'll wait for the word before taking the courses...

thebronze
04-15-2011, 8:49 AM
Does anyone have any info on Glendale PD's CCW policies?

johndoe2150
04-29-2011, 12:32 AM
Is there anything someone in la county do to help with the initiative, other then just sending money and waiting who knows how long to get fought out in the courts?

jonbirdt
04-29-2011, 6:45 AM
Two weeks....
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Opposition_re_MSJ.pdf
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Reply_re_MSJ.pdf

email
04-29-2011, 7:06 AM
Nice work!

RoundEye
04-29-2011, 8:26 AM
Two weeks....
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Opposition_re_MSJ.pdf
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Reply_re_MSJ.pdf

Awesome! I wish you the best of luck, and I await your response.

RippSpeed
04-29-2011, 10:19 AM
I hope that one day we can get a CCW without having to sue the city of Los Angeles and the Sheriff department.

Nirrad
04-29-2011, 7:29 PM
This will be interesting! :popcorn:
:twoweeks:

Yugo
04-29-2011, 11:32 PM
I have a small video production company and I carry and drive around with tens of thousand $ cameras and equipment could that be a good cause? if yes how should it be worded?

hoffmang
04-30-2011, 3:49 PM
Donate to Hoffman for what? He can't even represent himself professionally as seen in the past few posts.

If this is your attitude, please don't donate. I've never asked you to donate to CGF because I'm nice - I've asked you to donate to CGF because we get results (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/about/what-has-cgf-done-for-me-lately.html).

-Gene

BOFH
04-30-2011, 4:04 PM
If this is your attitude, please don't donate. I've never asked you to donate to CGF because I'm nice - I've asked you to donate to CGF because we get results (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/about/what-has-cgf-done-for-me-lately.html).

-Gene

LOL..."Donate for what?" :eek:

Keep doing what you do Gene.

Dirtbozz
04-30-2011, 5:24 PM
LOL..."Donate for what?" :eek:

Keep doing what you do Gene.

Yea, keep up the good work Gene. As the face of the organization, your doing just fine. Thanks for "revealing" yourself.:rolleyes:

kablooie
04-30-2011, 5:36 PM
wow, this is the most activity in this thread for the past several months. entertaining. :)

Dirtbozz
04-30-2011, 5:47 PM
wow, this is the most activity in this thread for the past several months. entertaining. :)

It has been for me :D .

Also very enlightening. I have been putting some away towards my next $100.00 LA sponsorship (its tough when a decrepid old man is on Social Security :43: ). I think the money will serve me better at this point going towards that Glock 26 Iv'e been thinking about.

Thanks again Gene.

beemaze
04-30-2011, 6:19 PM
Looking forward to positive change in L.A. County!

jonbirdt
04-30-2011, 6:57 PM
No secrets- did you read the opp and reply I linked to? It lays out what it takes in la and why it is so wrong. I can also pm a list of all active lapd and lasd permit holders with good cause basis. I have their depos and internal Ccw policies. They don't hide the fact that they don't care about federal law. The motions for summary judgment are all briefed except their reply is due Monday. Should be taken under submission this week, though we just got transferred to a new job so no idea if that will speed up or slow things down. Nordyke is irrelevant now because of people v delacy and richards makes an argument designed to lose so they can deal with the issue on appeal with Peruta- but even if they win. It doesn't help or hurt any more than Peruta does in this district. In other words, computer engineer seeking funds says wait, lawyer who has sued them says the time is now. Take your pick.

Gray Peterson
04-30-2011, 7:50 PM
All right, folks. This is not the place for debating these issues. I have did some moderating of this thread to where it really went off track. Take it to PM's, folks.

Peter W Bush
04-30-2011, 8:21 PM
I REALLY hate LA sometimes. I have my own businesses (that have been robbed 5+ times), handle cash daily, but I can't get a CCW.

The only reason I haven't applied is because I do have an arrest on my record, but the cases were dismissed. I would pay large amounts of money for a CCW here but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

jonbirdt
04-30-2011, 8:24 PM
If the arrest is not gun related you would qualify as is. A drycleaner with cash and robberies is one of the few issued by laps without a lawsuit.

Peter W Bush
04-30-2011, 8:34 PM
If the arrest is not gun related you would qualify as is. A drycleaner with cash and robberies is one of the few issued by laps without a lawsuit.

PC 11370.1

Amended to add 11350 H&S and 12025 (CCW). Charges dismissed.

racerx944
05-01-2011, 3:45 PM
I REALLY hate LA sometimes. I have my own businesses (that have been robbed 5+ times), handle cash daily, but I can't get a CCW.

The only reason I haven't applied is because I do have an arrest on my record, but the cases were dismissed. I would pay large amounts of money for a CCW here but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

I thought you can carry on your own business/property...

Kid Stanislaus
05-01-2011, 9:26 PM
I thought you can carry on your own business/property...

He has to transport the cash and checks to the bank.

Peter W Bush
05-02-2011, 10:11 AM
Correct. I can carry INSIDE my businesses and that's about it. Can't carry on the way to the bank, from one business to another, etc. And open carrying is not an option. If somebody wanted to rob me and saw I was armed, they would just shoot me.

Kid Stanislaus
05-02-2011, 5:13 PM
Peter, I don't mean to be harsh but the truth of the matter is you made a decision to live in LA (perhaps a long time ago) and you now have the option of staying put or selling the business and moving to a free state or a more free county in CA. For the life of me I can't understand why anybody would want to live in LA but several million people do so there's got to be some attraction for them to stay. In the meantime, some folks are voting with their feet and are exiting LA for parts of the state that are more to their liking. Its your choice, stay and "fight the good fight" or flee to someplace where you are more comfortable.

Peter W Bush
05-02-2011, 6:12 PM
Moving is not an option. My family is here. My businesses and property are here. Selling everything and leaving my family to move to another state would be insane for me to do.

sighere
05-07-2011, 7:42 AM
I guess we'll soon see which way L.A. county goes. Here's the latest on Birdt's case
http://m.examiner.com/exLosAngeles/pm_70609/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=17A6E716FB27465AA3EEE E0157197341?contentguid=cQU9LUXp
As they say in hollywood, this one is in the can..... two weeks! (ok 3x 2weeks if we're lucky)

beemaze
05-07-2011, 8:50 AM
I guess we'll soon see which way L.A. county goes. Here's the latest on Birdt's case
http://m.examiner.com/exLosAngeles/pm_70609/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=17A6E716FB27465AA3EEE E0157197341?contentguid=cQU9LUXp
As they say in hollywood, this one is in the can..... two weeks! (ok 3x 2weeks if we're lucky)

Great news!

And these overly simplistic solutions of moving out of town or to a different county really don't help our cause...

HowardW56
05-07-2011, 12:52 PM
I guess we'll soon see which way L.A. county goes. Here's the latest on Birdt's case
http://m.examiner.com/exLosAngeles/pm_70609/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=17A6E716FB27465AA3EEE E0157197341?contentguid=cQU9LUXp
As they say in hollywood, this one is in the can..... two weeks! (ok 3x 2weeks if we're lucky)

I don't have a happy feeling about this, this is a new judge, on the bench a couple weeks, appointed by Obama.

Kid Stanislaus
05-07-2011, 5:47 PM
Moving is not an option. My family is here. My businesses and property are here. Selling everything and leaving my family to move to another state would be insane for me to do.

OK, you've made a decision based on your personal needs. It sucks that the LASD won't recognize your 2nd Amendment rights. That's probably not going to change soon. If I'm wrong we'll all be dance'n in the streets. ;)

HowardW56
05-07-2011, 6:13 PM
It sucks that the LASD won't recognize your 2nd Amendment rights. That's probably not going to change soon. If I'm wrong we'll all be dance'n in the streets. ;)

Don't do that, they will cite you for dancing in the street without a permit...
And then they will attempt to use that as justification for denial of a CCW. You know that people who dance in the street are unstable...

beemaze
05-17-2011, 3:27 PM
Two weeks....
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Opposition_re_MSJ.pdf
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Reply_re_MSJ.pdf

Any updates on this case? And why was the OP "Banned?"

RippSpeed
05-17-2011, 3:46 PM
Yeah pls let us know... someone told me it lost @ the court today!!! Is this true ???

HowardW56
05-17-2011, 4:27 PM
Yeah pls let us know... someone told me it lost @ the court today!!! Is this true ???

Nothing has happened.... It is under submission for the judge to decide.

gl0ckc0ma
05-22-2011, 12:17 AM
Subscribing....

AMDG
05-27-2011, 2:10 PM
Come on guys and gals... Dig into those pockets and support your county through CGF. We have a long way to go... No pain, no gain.

Jason P
05-28-2011, 2:23 PM
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, fingers crossed!!!

abechira
05-31-2011, 4:58 PM
Well, I am considering turning my app in for a CCW. Will start with my city first. I will keep you posted. I have a lot of research and fact finding to do on my background. From what I have researched currently, I don't expect much. At least I will have filed and have the records.:rolleyes:

NRA Fan
06-12-2011, 12:05 PM
Can we apply now? What do we do when declined?

wildhawker
06-12-2011, 8:25 PM
Can we apply now? What do we do when declined?

Well, Mr. Jon Birdt, I would call a competent attorney like Jason Davis, as you should have done.

Please see our flowchart (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads/file/24-carryappguide.html) for more info.

Tacobandit
06-23-2011, 11:15 PM
Anyone know when we should apply for LAPD? I know I have good cause according to Assenza and I was denied in Dec of 09 and I want my app re-evaluated after Davis is finalized as a win in court.

monk
07-19-2011, 1:56 AM
I thought Mr. Birdt's case hadn't been heard yet? I thought I saw the court paper give a date in October of this year?


Also, given the passage of SB 610 I'll take a guess and say we'll probably have to wait until the new application, I assume there will be one, comes out.

Wall Flower
07-21-2011, 12:25 PM
LAPD has 19 current permits that breakdown as follows:

1- 1993 Gifford Lawsuit.
11- 1995 Assenza original Plaintiffs.
3- 1996 Weapons manufacturer (2) Locksmith (1).
2- 2005 DA with threats.
1- 2010 Weapons manufacturer with threats.
1- 2011 Northrop Grumman Board member.

monk
07-22-2011, 11:51 AM
Just sponsored LA County. Hope to hear an update soon.

Peter W Bush
07-22-2011, 2:56 PM
LAPD has 19 current permits that breakdown as follows:

1- 1993 Gifford Lawsuit.
11- 1995 Assenza original Plaintiffs.
3- 1996 Weapons manufacturer (2) Locksmith (1).
2- 2005 DA with threats.
1- 2010 Weapons manufacturer with threats.
1- 2011 Northrop Grumman Board member.

I don't believe this is accurate. I have personally seen an LA CCW holder that isn't from the above list.

Wall Flower
07-22-2011, 3:50 PM
It is accurate, but only includes current and active.

Artisan
07-23-2011, 9:53 AM
I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this;

WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO.

Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM!

IF FOLKS IN NORWAY WERE ARMED EIGHTY+ CHILDREN WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

I can't read it all, if there is a local group that needs help contact me.

PISSED OFF I AM! 80 Kids DEAD~ E I G H T Y KIDS D E A D <

Artisan

RoundEye
07-23-2011, 10:26 AM
I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this;

WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO.

Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM!

IF FOLKS IN NORWAY WERE ARMED EIGHTY+ CHILDREN WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

I can't read it all, if there is a local group that needs help contact me.

PISSED OFF I AM! 80 Kids DEAD~ E I G H T Y KIDS D E A D <

Artisan

This is quite an interesting first post. Loaded open carry in California would require the repealing of the Mulford Act of 1967. A more likely alternative would be a shall issue policy for CCW which CGF, has been working on for a number of years now. They have even attained that policy in several counties including Sacramento.

If you want to support the cause I recommend reading this thread in it's entirety as well as some others in the CCW forum and making a generous donation to CalGuns Foundation. :D

Kid Stanislaus
07-23-2011, 9:00 PM
I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this; WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO. Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM! Artisan

I feel your frustration, I lived in Stanislaus Co. from '87 until this year w/out a CCW and felt like I was being treated like a child. The good sheriff finally saw the light what with budget cuts and staff layoffs decimating his agency. So today he issues with "Personal Protection" being sufficient good cause. Now I carry EVERYWHERE unless I'm going to work. The day will come when LA will have to cave in and issue on the same basis but it ain't just right around the corner (I'd be tickled pink to be wrong on that one!).

hoffmang
07-23-2011, 9:25 PM
It is accurate, but only includes current and active.

Now this may be the most unintentionally funniest avatar ever:

http://www.hoffmang.com/temp/birdt-avatar.png

Keep pushing it JB.

-Gene

santamonica9
07-27-2011, 8:17 PM
Mr. Gene, we ALL applaud your efforts and stand with you in this battle for our rights that are being denied. I just subscribed to this thread and am waiting for an update on when I should apply.

Its so sad that LA has less than 100 CCW permits -> I will never vote Baca ever after reading this thread. Nice that he even goes into other districts due to his political supporters.

monk
07-27-2011, 9:29 PM
I can't wait for the next Sheriff's election. I will make damned sure to vote for someone who more meets my beliefs. Hopefully they will also be progun.

Sobriquet
07-28-2011, 10:06 AM
I can't wait for the next Sheriff's election. I will make damned sure to vote for someone who more meets my beliefs. Hopefully they will also be progun.

That was a tad difficult last time around. Sheriff Baca ran unopposed.

Jason P
08-02-2011, 5:01 PM
What is the current Sunshine Initiative status on Los Angeles County? Is anyone doing anything? What are they doing?

RoundEye
08-02-2011, 8:10 PM
Is there an reason that I should or should not go ahead and apply for a permit in the city of Los Angeles?

Based on what I have read, I am pretty sure that it will get denied, I just wanted to make sure that I am included if there is a lawsuit pending or one were to come up in the future.

monk
08-03-2011, 8:47 AM
Is there an reason that I should or should not go ahead and apply for a permit in the city of Los Angeles?

Based on what I have read, I am pretty sure that it will get denied, I just wanted to make sure that I am included if there is a lawsuit pending or one were to come up in the future.


I would say wait until a whole bunch of people can apply and get denied.

jello2594
08-05-2011, 3:20 PM
Is there an reason that I should or should not go ahead and apply for a permit in the city of Los Angeles?

Based on what I have read, I am pretty sure that it will get denied, I just wanted to make sure that I am included if there is a lawsuit pending or one were to come up in the future.

There is a lawsuit pending - Davis vs. City of Los Angeles. http://michellawyers.com/guncasetracker/davis-v-city-of-los-angeles/

sreiter
08-09-2011, 6:20 PM
Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

HowardW56
08-09-2011, 6:51 PM
Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.


And if your friend lived in Redondo he would have a much better chance...

I met a LTC holder at the range several years ago, he owneed a check cashing business and lived in Redondo..

sreiter
08-09-2011, 7:11 PM
And if your friend lived in Redondo he would have a much better chance...

I met a LTC holder at the range several years ago, he owneed a check cashing business and lived in Redondo..

wonder if thats him. he does live in redondo. got the permit because he was involved in a shoot out - had it for four years. they wouldnt renew

monk
08-09-2011, 7:29 PM
Does he live and work in the same county or city? He may be able to apply in whatever city he works at if it's friendlier.

Mrbroom
08-12-2011, 8:48 PM
I will wait to hear fronm the group until I take the Sheriff's route.. But I do work for a lpcal agency where I know the COP very well.. I may inquire with her if she would be willing to give me a ccw...

Andric
08-16-2011, 11:11 PM
Do not advocate or post illegal behavior here again. Edited -leelaw

jont92619
08-24-2011, 12:43 PM
Just sent a $10 check to the Calguns Foundation towards the Los Angeles County CCW Cause.... Anyone want to match it?

HowardW56
08-24-2011, 1:04 PM
Just sent a $10 check to the Calguns Foundation towards the Los Angeles County CCW Cause.... Anyone want to match it?

Sure........

Amount: $ 10.00
Date: August 24th, 2011 1:07 PM
Transaction #: 2EJ31965UJ3839442


NEXT!!!

Andric
08-25-2011, 6:19 PM
Do not advocate or post illegal behavior here again. Edited -leelaw

Sorry.

Mrbroom
09-03-2011, 6:12 PM
Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

I have "off the record" inquired with the City of Redondo Beach's City Attorney (who is elected here) Mike Webb. He is a big 2A supporter (Tea Party candidate) and from what I know supports the LTC idea. He even stated that RBPD has applications at the front desk.. Now for Chief Leonardi, I really do not know his position on issuance. I am debating should I submit an application or wait for the movement?

maverickoc
09-13-2011, 9:36 AM
subscribed.

LA sucks!

APcivic01
09-20-2011, 2:55 AM
Subscribed.

Just spent the last couple hours reading up on the laws here (I'm a new resident to Los Angeles). Suffice to say, I'm more than frustrated with everything I've found out. I had my LTC back in Connecticut. Hopefully I'll one day be able to obtain one here. I'm looking forward to help in whatever way I can.

Mrbroom
09-20-2011, 3:12 AM
yea.. It sux here.. But in all due time... And welcome to La-La Land...

spgripside
10-09-2011, 4:31 PM
ACLU has a petition (https://secure.aclu.org/site/SPageNavigator/CS_stop_jails.html) to add your voice to those calling for LA County Sheriff Lee Baca to resign. I know the ACLU haven't done much in support of the 2nd amendment, and it is not the issue they have with Baca. But I sure would like to see him go. More info here (http://www.aclu-sc.org/jailreport?JServSessionIdr004=w0eanrtop2.app224a).

Jason P
10-09-2011, 9:57 PM
Gosh, never though I'd be signing anything from the ACLU ever... LOL

BGryphon
10-15-2011, 1:48 PM
Someday, LA county with be thrown a bone. Someday.

Is it more likely that Baca will have a heart attack than one of us getting an LTC here?

mej16489
10-15-2011, 6:44 PM
Someday, LA county with be thrown a bone. Someday.

Is it more likely that Baca will have a heart attack than one of us getting an LTC here?

There are at least a few LA County LTC Holders already here on this forum...but regardless of that, he's not going to go shall issue without a fight...

HowardW56
10-15-2011, 7:02 PM
There are at least a few LA County LTC Holders already here on this forum...but regardless of that, he's not going to go shall issue without a fight...

I haven't noticed any LASD LTC holders here...


I didn't think the business and Hollywood elite frequented the forum

Tacobandit
10-18-2011, 6:01 PM
I have my citizens review panel on tuesday for LAPD, anyone else?

maverickoc
10-18-2011, 8:02 PM
I have my citizens review panel on tuesday for LAPD, anyone else?

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is that?

kablooie
10-18-2011, 10:08 PM
I have my citizens review panel on tuesday for LAPD, anyone else?

put in a good word for me while ur there.

Watters Edge Design
10-18-2011, 10:08 PM
Move to Kern County!

kablooie
10-18-2011, 10:11 PM
Move to Kern County!

i might as well move back to the midwest. LOL.

monk
10-19-2011, 12:23 AM
Please excuse my ignorance, but what is that?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that if you are denied a license to carry, you can appeal with a citizen's review board. Which I believe is made up of certain people from that county who will review your good cause and let you know if you have a valid reason to carry.

Kid Stanislaus
10-19-2011, 7:41 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that if you are denied a license to carry, you can appeal with a citizen's review board. Which I believe is made up of certain people from that county who will review your good cause and let you know if you have a valid reason to carry.


And the success rate in front of that board has been what, zilch?:rolleyes:

maverickoc
10-19-2011, 11:36 AM
I have my citizens review panel on tuesday for LAPD, anyone else?

I do wish you good luck, and let us know how it went. I am curious what that process can do, if anything...

arc
10-19-2011, 5:37 PM
And the success rate in front of that board has been what, zilch?:rolleyes:

It has been my understanding that even if you convince the board the LAPD is in no way bound to follow their suggestions.

-James

Tacobandit
10-19-2011, 6:13 PM
It has been my understanding that even if you convince the board the LAPD is in no way bound to follow their suggestions.

-James

Yup both are very true, however in the current climate with the City near bankruptcy and the department facing a 40million dollar budget cut and the current lawsuit by Davis and associates against the LAPD and Chief Beck there is a lot more attention to the CCW process then before. I forwarded a lot of information to the LAPD police commission and City Attorney's office. There was a world of difference from the first time I spoke to the Officer who handles the applications and the 2nd time. He told me there was a lot of people getting involved, people who have an opinion in whether or not Beck gets another term as COP. I have a feeling that the process will become a lot better with the LAPD shortly.

arc
10-19-2011, 7:40 PM
I hope you are correct, I would be glad to be proven wrong. Post up your experience afterward please, I'd love to hear how it goes.

-James

Kid Stanislaus
10-20-2011, 10:04 AM
Yup both are very true, however in the current climate with the City near bankruptcy and the department facing a 40million dollar budget cut and the current lawsuit by Davis and associates against the LAPD and Chief Beck there is a lot more attention to the CCW process then before. I forwarded a lot of information to the LAPD police commission and City Attorney's office. There was a world of difference from the first time I spoke to the Officer who handles the applications and the 2nd time. He told me there was a lot of people getting involved, people who have an opinion in whether or not Beck gets another term as COP. I have a feeling that the process will become a lot better with the LAPD shortly.

And if they DID start issuing, how long would it take the LA Times to absolutely rake them over the coals for it? Temper your optimism.

Tacobandit
10-20-2011, 7:02 PM
put in a good word for me while ur there.

I wont be able to actually attend as I am in the process with DHS for a federal agent job and I have testing that morning but they will still review my packet and make a decision on what my good cause is etc.

Tacobandit
10-20-2011, 7:03 PM
And if they DID start issuing, how long would it take the LA Times to absolutely rake them over the coals for it? Temper your optimism.

Actually i am surprised the LA times isnt all over the fact that the LAPD, as a law enforcement agency has given the finger to a judicial order for over 15 years and 3 lawsuits, seems that is more news worthy then them simply obeying the order for a change.

Kodemonkey
10-20-2011, 7:28 PM
Actually i am surprised the LA times isnt all over the fact that the LAPD, as a law enforcement agency has given the finger to a judicial order for over 15 years and 3 lawsuits, seems that is more news worthy then them simply obeying the order for a change.

You're surprised? Seriously?

CCWFacts
10-20-2011, 9:45 PM
Yup both are very true, however in the current climate with the City near bankruptcy

:party:

It will be so nice when they go into bankruptcy and the union party is finally over. Until that happens we will have more taxes and more potholes and less freedom.

and the department facing a 40million dollar budget cut and the current lawsuit by Davis and associates against the LAPD and Chief Beck there is a lot more attention to the CCW process then before. I forwarded a lot of information to the LAPD police commission and City Attorney's office. There was a world of difference from the first time I spoke to the Officer who handles the applications and the 2nd time. He told me there was a lot of people getting involved, people who have an opinion in whether or not Beck gets another term as COP. I have a feeling that the process will become a lot better with the LAPD shortly.

That is awesome! I hope that has some influence on the surrounding smaller cities as well.

PixelBender
10-25-2011, 4:52 PM
California Honey badger dont give a f*ck

monk
10-30-2011, 11:29 PM
So is there a set of criteria that must be met before a county receives its "it's time to apply" thread?

Primewolverine
11-01-2011, 11:25 AM
im interested with getting ccw training, after that whats is the next step? and i live in los angeles county

kablooie
11-01-2011, 11:38 AM
im interested with getting ccw training, after that whats is the next step? and i live in los angeles county

a huge bribe, i mean donation, to the sheriff. :D

Tacobandit
11-01-2011, 12:44 PM
im interested with getting ccw training, after that whats is the next step? and i live in los angeles county

become a celebrity.

Kodemonkey
11-01-2011, 1:23 PM
become a celebrity.

Or, become part of the personal protection detail for that celebrity.

Barring that, you aren't going to get one. Here are your odds:

Los Angeles Total (Adult Residents: 7,416,397)

Total licensed:

Civilian 220
Law Enforcement/Government Employees 455


source: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads/file/41-2011-ca-doj-data-active-ltc-report.html

Primewolverine
11-01-2011, 2:17 PM
what if i just like to get a ccw training? do i still have to do the doj application?

Kodemonkey
11-01-2011, 2:35 PM
what if i just like to get a ccw training? do i still have to do the doj application?

You can take any type of training you want, there are plenty of places that do handgun training with concealment. So as not to jack this thread up, try a new thread in the Competition, Action Shooting And Training forum on this board. Make sure you post where you live and people will give you suggestions.

There are also courses for Utah CCW permits given all the time out here. I believe it is mostly classroom. But, of course, those CCW permits are only valid in the States that recognize a Utah CCW (and California isn't one of them).

CCWFacts
11-24-2011, 4:06 PM
Just sponsored LA County. I'm not a resident of the City of Los Angeles but I'm in the county. I'm in another city that's very liberal but it's also small and I personally know most of the City Council. That might help me, although I'm certainly not a VIP. I do have some good cause but not at the level of, say, a jewelry store owner. I'm ready to apply whenever the time is right, but I'm thinking I should go with my city first.

Uxi
11-29-2011, 9:09 AM
I wish I had stayed in San Bernardino County

twinpalms1
12-07-2011, 1:04 PM
Los Angeles County CCW Policy, Guidelines and Forms can be found Here (http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative/107-los-angeles)

Let's flood him with our thoughts

Governor Jerry Brown
c/o State Capitol, Suite 1173
Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone: (916) 445-2841
Fax: (916) 558-3160

AMDG
12-08-2011, 9:24 AM
Just sponsored LA County.

Great! I challenge everyone who has or will post in this thread to sponsor LA County. If you care enough to post here, scrape together $100 for a sponsorship!!

http://store.calgunsfoundation.org/Sunshine-Compliance-Initiative-Sponsorship-p/sponsor-indiv-name.htm

CCWFacts
12-08-2011, 11:51 AM
Great! I challenge everyone who has or will post in this thread to sponsor LA County. If you care enough to post here, scrape together $100 for a sponsorship!!

Done! I'm a sponsor. And I have a CalGuns t-shirt and some coffee!

monk
01-19-2012, 8:01 PM
Just sponsored again!

Come on people, who's gonna match?

ETA: I just saw that the current donation status goes to a 404. Is there any plan on bringing it back?

wnewton
01-20-2012, 1:13 AM
I was able to find a working status page via google recently but couldn't find the link on calguns, Los Angeles has a poor showing

wnewton
01-20-2012, 1:20 AM
Sure enough, it is a 404

heypal
01-24-2012, 9:23 PM
I came in here to complain about L.A.'s CCW problems, but I don't have the energy. I'd rather save what little energy I've got so I can throw a stick of gum at a dangerous person, since I can't defend myself. Someone should have fresh breath.

Uxi
01-25-2012, 8:39 AM
Carry a knife. Not too long, though.

NeenachGuy
01-25-2012, 3:18 PM
Two questions:

1. If I'm receiving death threats, will it improve my chances to get a LTC in LA County?
1a. If yes, anyone want to send me some death threats?

2. If someone hires me to be his or her bodyguard, will it improve my chances?
2a. If yes, would it suffice if I were to hire myself as my own bodyguard (of course, I would provide compensation and an employment contract)?

Just trying to think outside the box, maybe.

robcoe
01-25-2012, 3:28 PM
Two questions:

1. If I'm receiving death threats, will it improve my chances to get a LTC in LA County?
1a. If yes, anyone want to send me some death threats?

2. If someone hires me to be his or her bodyguard, will it improve my chances?
2a. If yes, would it suffice if I were to hire myself as my own bodyguard (of course, I would provide compensation and an employment contract)?

Just trying to think outside the box, maybe.

1. Not likely

2. Only if the person you are hired to protect submitted the proper bribe forms and was shown to be famous in need of protection.

wildhawker
03-10-2012, 1:33 AM
San Carlos, CA (March 9, 2012) – Continuing its Carry License Sunshine and Compliance Initiative, The Calguns Foundation (CGF) has filed a lawsuit today in Los Angeles Superior Court against Los Angeles Sheriff Leroy “Lee” Baca, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and Los Angeles County. The case, entitled Jennifer Lu, et al. v. County of Los Angeles, et al., challenges the Sheriff’s ban on accepting and processing applications for carry licenses submitted by city residents.

The Calguns Foundation is joined in the lawsuit, by three individual plaintiffs.

“Sheriff Baca made the unfortunate decision to repeat historical failure,” noted CGF Chairman Gene Hoffman. “Apparently, the Sheriff and County do not feel bound to follow the precedent they set when the California Court of Appeals ruled against them in 1976. We look forward to refreshing their memory.”

In the case of Salute v. Pitchess, the Court held that “[i]t is the duty of the sheriff to make . . . an investigation and determination, on an individual basis, on every application” for a handgun carry license. Then-Los Angeles Sheriff Peter Pitchess had “a fixed policy of not granting applications . . . … except in a limited number of cases.”

California requires that people who desire to carry a handgun for self defense be licensed by the sheriff of the county in which they reside, or, at the applicants’ option, they can apply to their city’s chief of police. However, sheriffs cannot require applicants to first apply to and be denied by a city’s chief of police as a prerequisite to application.

“The State of California very intentionally established a standardized carry license framework: if you’re a sheriff, you have a duty to administer the carry license program for all residents of your county,” clarified Brandon Combs, an officer of CGF and director of the Carry License Initiative. “Sheriff Baca’s intent in enforcing these unlawful regulations is quite clear: make it as difficult as possible for law-abiding residents of Los Angeles County to defend their lives and those of their families. Not only does he treat some deserving applicants differently than others, he uses the rejections by cities’ chiefs of police - that his policy requires - as evidence against the applicants when they apply to him.”

“Jennifer Lu and the other plaintiffs have every reason to desire a handgun carry license, not the least of which is that it is their fundamental right under the Constitution as Federal courts in both West Virginia and Maryland ruled earlier this week,” said Jason Davis, attorney for the plaintiffs. “Sheriff Baca is circumventing state and constitutional law, and we’re confident that this case will bear that out.”

A copy of the complaint and case filings can be downloaded at http://bit.ly/lu_v_baca.

Nirrad
03-10-2012, 11:15 AM
Hurray! :hurray:

glockman19
03-10-2012, 6:04 PM
Well It's about time...:) :) :)

San Carlos, CA (March 9, 2012) – Continuing its Carry License Sunshine and Compliance Initiative, The Calguns Foundation (CGF) has filed a lawsuit today in Los Angeles Superior Court against Los Angeles Sheriff Leroy “Lee” Baca, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and Los Angeles County. The case, entitled Jennifer Lu, et al. v. County of Los Angeles, et al., challenges the Sheriff’s ban on accepting and processing applications for carry licenses submitted by city residents.

The Calguns Foundation is joined in the lawsuit, by three individual plaintiffs.

“Sheriff Baca made the unfortunate decision to repeat historical failure,” noted CGF Chairman Gene Hoffman. “Apparently, the Sheriff and County do not feel bound to follow the precedent they set when the California Court of Appeals ruled against them in 1976. We look forward to refreshing their memory.”

In the case of Salute v. Pitchess, the Court held that “[i]t is the duty of the sheriff to make . . . an investigation and determination, on an individual basis, on every application” for a handgun carry license. Then-Los Angeles Sheriff Peter Pitchess had “a fixed policy of not granting applications . . . … except in a limited number of cases.”

California requires that people who desire to carry a handgun for self defense be licensed by the sheriff of the county in which they reside, or, at the applicants’ option, they can apply to their city’s chief of police. However, sheriffs cannot require applicants to first apply to and be denied by a city’s chief of police as a prerequisite to application.

“The State of California very intentionally established a standardized carry license framework: if you’re a sheriff, you have a duty to administer the carry license program for all residents of your county,” clarified Brandon Combs, an officer of CGF and director of the Carry License Initiative. “Sheriff Baca’s intent in enforcing these unlawful regulations is quite clear: make it as difficult as possible for law-abiding residents of Los Angeles County to defend their lives and those of their families. Not only does he treat some deserving applicants differently than others, he uses the rejections by cities’ chiefs of police - that his policy requires - as evidence against the applicants when they apply to him.”

“Jennifer Lu and the other plaintiffs have every reason to desire a handgun carry license, not the least of which is that it is their fundamental right under the Constitution as Federal courts in both West Virginia and Maryland ruled earlier this week,” said Jason Davis, attorney for the plaintiffs. “Sheriff Baca is circumventing state and constitutional law, and we’re confident that this case will bear that out.”

A copy of the complaint and case filings can be downloaded at http://bit.ly/lu_v_baca.

Uxi
03-10-2012, 6:17 PM
I'm stoked. Gonna donate when I get paid next Friday

motoracer1486
03-11-2012, 12:05 PM
Donation sent, thanks: Jennifer Lu, et al. v. County of Los Angeles, et al.

nrakid88
03-11-2012, 1:07 PM
So should i start applying yet? It seems to me that the sunshine act has momentum and la wont takt the courts long now that there is a precendent? Anyone have a rough guideline for how log it will be till i can carry?

monk
03-11-2012, 1:39 PM
So should i start applying yet? It seems to me that the sunshine act has momentum and la wont takt the courts long now that there is a precendent? Anyone have a rough guideline for how log it will be till i can carry?

I would hold off. From what I've seen CGF will make a thread titled "LA County, time to apply" when the time is right. Not to say you shouldn't apply now, just something to think about.

gazzavc
03-13-2012, 12:51 PM
If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

G

wildhawker
03-13-2012, 1:18 PM
If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

G

Did you see this? http://eepurl.com/jV3NL

-Brandon

monk
03-13-2012, 1:53 PM
If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Chaplain Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

G


Their current, illegal, policy makes a county resident do this, yes. However, that's the point of this lawsuit. When, not if, the lawsuit is won, you will not have to apply to your city PD first. So again, apply if you'd like, but personally I would wait.

mej16489
03-13-2012, 5:05 PM
Did you see this? http://eepurl.com/jV3NL

-Brandon


Brandon, I've noticed you have started using allot of 'short' URL redirects. Could you please just post normal URLs so we at least know where we are going?

http://calgunsfoundation.org/news-blog/press/206-calguns-foundation-sues-los-angeles-county-sheriff-lee-baca.html

gazzavc
03-13-2012, 8:39 PM
If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Chaplain Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

G

Brandon & the other chap who also replied to my query:

Yes I did read that, I just wanted clarification that I interpreted it correctly.

I was not planning on applying until such time as "the word" filters down to us on here. I don't have the time and money to spend on something that'll get denied flat out. It can wait until such time as it will be expeditious for us all to apply.

Thanks for the prompt answers. It's nice to have some good "go to" blokes on here.

Gaz

thaiphob25
04-11-2012, 10:53 PM
Hopefully one day soon.

PM720
04-16-2012, 10:14 PM
But isn't Baca already denying applications made directly to the SO anyway? :confused::(

Scott

thebronze
04-17-2012, 12:12 AM
Brandon, I've noticed you have started using allot of 'short' URL redirects. Could you please just post normal URLs so we at least know where we are going?

http://calgunsfoundation.org/news-blog/press/206-calguns-foundation-sues-los-angeles-county-sheriff-lee-baca.html


You must be new to the internets...

Agent Akin
04-18-2012, 6:11 AM
You must be new to the internets...

There's really no reason to use URL shorteners in normal email or forum posts., though they do have a place in short formats like Twitter.

The problem is, one can never know where the link goes... sure, it's probably a story relevent to the topic at hand, but it could also be a malware auto-installer site. Even if the message is from a trusted user, their account could have been compromised and the malicious short URL is actually coming from a bad guy...

This is becoming incrasingly popular since most people have been trained to immediately click a short link without thinking about it. Few people take the time to copy the link and go to a URL expander to see where it really leads... personally, I've found several short links that lead to malware sites (none here on CalGuns, though)

On a related note, always be sure to hover the cursor over a link and read where it really leads to before clicking it... the text could say one thing while the code leads to an entirely different location...

/end IT Security derail

Uxi
04-18-2012, 8:34 AM
I imagine he's just using the same links from twitter. I don't really care one way or other. I'm confident in my own internal security enough but do generally like to mouse over and see where it's going but no big deal to me.

On topic, I was a bit disappointed I couldn't find any reference to this suit on the LA Times site, though not too surprised.

mej16489
04-18-2012, 2:57 PM
There's really no reason to use URL shorteners in normal email or forum posts., though they do have a place in short formats like Twitter.

The problem is, one can never know where the link goes... sure, it's probably a story relevent to the topic at hand, but it could also be a malware auto-installer site. Even if the message is from a trusted user, their account could have been compromised and the malicious short URL is actually coming from a bad guy...

This is becoming incrasingly popular since most people have been trained to immediately click a short link without thinking about it. Few people take the time to copy the link and go to a URL expander to see where it really leads... personally, I've found several short links that lead to malware sites (none here on CalGuns, though)

On a related note, always be sure to hover the cursor over a link and read where it really leads to before clicking it... the text could say one thing while the code leads to an entirely different location...

/end IT Security derail

Wow, I said the same thing but slightly snarky due to the snarky response, and my response was deleted :(

bill_k_lopez
04-29-2012, 6:59 PM
I'm not being anxious or antsy....but I'd like to know what people's ideas of a realistic time frame for CCW is in Los Angeles County. 1 year, 5 years, more? Less?

gl0ckc0ma
05-10-2012, 5:43 PM
I'm not being anxious or antsy....but I'd like to know what people's ideas of a realistic time frame for CCW is in Los Angeles County. 1 year, 5 years, more? Less?

Good question!

HowardW56
05-10-2012, 5:52 PM
I'm not being anxious or antsy....but I'd like to know what people's ideas of a realistic time frame for CCW is in Los Angeles County. 1 year, 5 years, more? Less?

Good question!

:twoweeks:

c.martins187
05-15-2012, 7:00 PM
I see two weeks a lot on here, is that an inside joke or for real?

kauaibuilt
05-27-2012, 9:43 PM
I thought I read somewhere in CG that the Sheriffs Dept's all had to have their LTC information/application available. I've been searching for the last 45min or so and havent found ANYTHING relating to LTC/CCW. Even their little search engine has few hits and the only one that comes close is a link to FAQ re: renew a LTC for LASD retirees.

1911su16b870
05-27-2012, 9:47 PM
I see two weeks a lot on here, is that an inside joke or for real?

Inside joke

IIRC it was about DOJ Division of Firearms (back then) saying all OLLs would be banned in 2 weeks.

Other calgunners please chime in.

thaiphob25
05-27-2012, 9:48 PM
I thought I read somewhere in CG that the Sheriffs Dept's all had to have their LTC information/application available. I've been searching for the last 45min or so and havent found ANYTHING relating to LTC/CCW. Even their little search engine has few hits and the only one that comes close is a link to FAQ re: renew a LTC for LASD retirees.

http://www.lasdhq.org/contact_us/inquiry/inq-cw-permit-local3.htm

:)

Mr.Do
07-16-2012, 2:02 AM
one can only hope for this day to come..sooner then later.

Pistol Fan
07-16-2012, 8:57 AM
Inside joke

IIRC it was about DOJ Division of Firearms (back then) saying all OLLs would be banned in 2 weeks.

Other calgunners please chime in.

I will chime in... In two weeks.

SabreGhost
08-06-2012, 8:11 PM
So is CCW/LTC or whatever people want to call it still a nogo?

What I've gathered from the thread so far is that things may be changing (in two weeks) but despite your neighborhood, being threatened, or carrying around expensive equipment or large amounts of cash we will still be denied.

I think it's a shame that as a war vet I spend more time worried about the next time I'm confronted by MS13 (which has been multiple times), guys stopping in front of our house with weapons (and obviously looking for someone to shoot), or the gunfire (including what was clearly automatic) I hear nearby than I ever really had to consider morters, IEDs, or attacks from insurgents (perhaps being armed helped with those issues =D ).

Currently moving isn't an option.

Yet cops think that they're around enough for us not to need to carry weapons to protect ourselves? If that were the case, none of the above would be an issue.

Thankfully I do know a famous guy or two. Is becoming a "bodyguard" for them really the only option that's even remotely possible? Carrying a folding knife to dissuade the various gang people around here just isn't going to cut it. If they're firing shots at each other over a turf dispute they obviously don't give a damn about which laws (city, state, federal) they violate. The last thing I want to do is to give an assbackwards system more money just to be denied.

monk
08-06-2012, 10:13 PM
So is CCW/LTC or whatever people want to call it still a nogo?

What I've gathered from the thread so far is that things may be changing (in two weeks) but despite your neighborhood, being threatened, or carrying around expensive equipment or large amounts of cash we will still be denied.

I think it's a shame that as a war vet I spend more time worried about the next time I'm confronted by MS13 (which has been multiple times), guys stopping in front of our house with weapons (and obviously looking for someone to shoot), or the gunfire (including what was clearly automatic) I hear nearby than I ever really had to consider morters, IEDs, or attacks from insurgents (perhaps being armed helped with those issues =D ).

Currently moving isn't an option.

Yet cops think that they're around enough for us not to need to carry weapons to protect ourselves? If that were the case, none of the above would be an issue.

Thankfully I do know a famous guy or two. Is becoming a "bodyguard" for them really the only option that's even remotely possible? Carrying a folding knife to dissuade the various gang people around here just isn't going to cut it. If they're firing shots at each other over a turf dispute they obviously don't give a damn about which laws (city, state, federal) they violate. The last thing I want to do is to give an assbackwards system more money just to be denied.

Unfortunately the law does not move as quickly as any of us would like, so at this point, yes it is a nogo.

gonzo1510
08-08-2012, 3:46 PM
How's the city of San Gabriel with their apps ? I'm looking at their fee schedule and it says $150.00 service fee.

HowardW56
08-18-2012, 3:30 PM
:twoweeks:

I see two weeks a lot on here, is that an inside joke or for real?

Two weeks is an inside joke.

SPUTTER
09-01-2012, 8:31 PM
I have a few questions pertaining to the lawsuit.

1. How can we follow the status of the legal proceedings for those of us that are interested.

2. What can I do to help this cause?

trew10
09-01-2012, 8:50 PM
For reference:

You can appeal it, take it to court. It will all depend on the judge. My friend got denied and appealed it and judge over turned it and he was issued his licsence.

kauaibuilt
09-01-2012, 8:50 PM
I have a few questions pertaining to the lawsuit.

1. How can we follow the status of the legal proceedings for those of us that are interested.
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545848
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133

2. What can I do to help this cause?
* http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ccw-initiative/107-los-angeles.html
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133


Thats all I can think of right now.

HowardW56
09-02-2012, 7:56 AM
I have a few questions pertaining to the lawsuit.

1. How can we follow the status of the legal proceedings for those of us that are interested.
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545848 (http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545848)
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133 (http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133)

2. What can I do to help this cause?
* http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ccw-initiative/107-los-angeles.html (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ccw-initiative/107-los-angeles.html)
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133 (http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133)


Thats all I can think of right now.


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ballison
09-17-2012, 11:15 PM
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jcaliburr
09-24-2012, 3:40 PM
Subscribed. Hoping to hear good news about this subject.

ulmapache
10-14-2012, 3:40 PM
Question....I am presently a San Bernardino County resident with a valid CCW in said county...I might be relocating to LA county in the near future. Is there a process in which I can have my CCW transferred to LA county? If denied, might this be a good court test case to force LA county officials to recognize our 2nd amendment rights? Thx for the replys!!! Ulmapache

gonzo1510
10-20-2012, 1:12 AM
Are business owners having any better luck with the applications ? I own a small security company and some of my clients are intrested in having me escort them to the banks (night Deposit boxes) during evening hours.

By the way, I'll be applying through LASD.

gonzo1510
10-20-2012, 1:12 AM
Question....I am presently a San Bernardino County resident with a valid CCW in said county...I might be relocating to LA county in the near future. Is there a process in which I can have my CCW transferred to LA county? If denied, might this be a good court test case to force LA county officials to recognize our 2nd amendment rights? Thx for the replys!!! Ulmapache

I thought that the ccw was good statewide..

mej16489
10-20-2012, 8:48 AM
I thought that the ccw was good statewide..

It expires 90 days after you move out of the county.

kauaibuilt
10-20-2012, 9:08 PM
It expires 90 days after you move out of the county.

Is this the same for city licenses? As in it expires 90 days after moving out of the city?

mej16489
10-21-2012, 10:09 AM
Is this the same for city licenses? As in it expires 90 days after moving out of the city?

I don't have a clear understanding if that's the case or not.

ulmapache
11-05-2012, 8:39 AM
Will call SBSO this AM and get a clarification on this....will post shortly.

ulmapache
11-05-2012, 8:57 AM
From SBSO....if you move to LA county, you have to reapply all over again, and will be denied. I think this would be an excellent court case if someone out there had the financial resources to pursue it thru the courts. Just because a person relocates to another area of the state is no cause to deny his/her right to carry. After all, the permit is valid STATEWIDE!

monk
11-09-2012, 8:59 PM
Bump for any news.

kauaibuilt
12-07-2012, 11:55 PM
From SBSO....if you move to LA county, you have to reapply all over again, and will be denied. I think this would be an excellent court case if someone out there had the financial resources to pursue it thru the courts. Just because a person relocates to another area of the state is no cause to deny his/her right to carry. After all, the permit is valid STATEWIDE!

My question was more along the lines of - I live in Glendale and have a LTC from Glendale police (since LASD doesnt even consider your app until you're refused from your local PD and then use that refusal to say they're not gonna give you one). Then I move to West Hollywood... Does that Glendale LTC go away and I need to reapply for a WH permit or, since Im in the same county, does it continue to be good?

Im guessing that the city one goes away - even more of a reason that we need to crack the counties - gives you much more leeway with regards to what geographic location you live/work in.