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clockwork
10-14-2010, 2:04 PM
Hi guys,

Can some of you highlight the finer points of (and differences between) the
Sig P226 vs Sig P220

Sig P226 vs Sig P225 (and/or P6)

Thanks in advance.

sirr6
10-14-2010, 2:08 PM
226 comes in multi calibers and 220 is a. 45only?

gorenut
10-14-2010, 2:12 PM
Depends on what caliber you want.
P220 is a single stack .45
P226/P6 is basically a P220 with 9mm
P226 comes in 9mm, 357SIG, 40 - all double stack

P226 would be overall the best out of the choices if you're not getting a .45 as the P225/P6 has limited rounds (I think 8 or 9 rounds for 9mm).

Sturnovik
10-14-2010, 2:12 PM
p220 is currently only made in .45 but there were 9mm variants back when it first came out, in fact I think it was orignally 9mm to begin with. I'd check remtek.com

The p226 is in .357, .40 and 9mm. The p220 and p220 are both excellent guns.


If I recall the p225 came second after the p220. Its only in 9mm, single stack magazine and thiner than the p226. Great little guns. Much easier for CCW than the other two.

Oh and actually it was available in .30 luger and .38 super but very very rare, the 9mm is more common and the .45 variant is the produced one as of now and a good gun.

ruddogg
10-14-2010, 2:19 PM
p220 is currently only made in .45 but there were 9mm variants back when it first came out, in fact I think it was orignally 9mm to begin with. I'd check remtek.com

The p226 is in .357, .40 and 9mm. The p220 and p220 are both excellent guns.


If I recall the p225 came second after the p220. Its only in 9mm, single stack magazine and thiner than the p226. Great little guns. Much easier for CCW than the other two.

Oh and actually it was available in .30 luger and .38 super but very very rare, the 9mm is more common and the .45 variant is the produced one as of now and a good gun.

+1^

I have both... basically the same gun except for the caliber... I have the .40s&w in the P226 & the P220 Equinox.
One minor difference is the grip on the P220 is slightly wider (in length)... I don't mean thicker as in single stack vs double stack (width)...

otherwise both sweet guns to shoot... my fav, I've shot HK's, Glock's, 1911... still went back to Sigs.

Sturnovik
10-14-2010, 2:20 PM
Yea I have the p226, but at the same time I'm told that the grip is only slightly wider on the p220. I'd buy one if it wasnt for the price of .45 where I am. I need to look into the hard to find p228.

ruddogg
10-14-2010, 2:25 PM
Yea I have the p226, but at the same time I'm told that the grip is only slightly wider on the p220. I'd buy one if it wasnt for the price of .45 where I am. I need to look into the hard to find p228.

yes - the grip length is only slightly wider... but you do sort of notice it... especially when your muscle memory in your hand is for the P226... that's what I noticed on Tues night when I took the P220 to the range for the first time... regardless both are awesome to shoot...

yes the .45 ammo is expensive, that MAY be the only reason I end up selling the P220 Equinox... we'll see though...
I'm having them install the SRT kit in my P226, can't wait to try it out, picking it up over the weekend.

Sturnovik
10-14-2010, 2:29 PM
yes - the grip length is only slightly wider... but you do sort of notice it... especially when your muscle memory in your hand is for the P226... that's what I noticed on Tues night when I took the P220 to the range for the first time... regardless both are awesome to shoot...

yes the .45 ammo is expensive, that MAY be the only reason I end up selling the P220 Equinox... we'll see though...
I'm having them install the SRT kit in my P226, can't wait to try it out, picking it up over the weekend.



Haha let me know if you sell it!


The p225 is also very comfy, being a single stacker.

loosewreck
10-14-2010, 2:33 PM
+1^
One minor difference is the grip on the P220 is slightly wider (in length)... I don't mean thicker as in single stack vs double stack (width)...


You got it right there, I'm a smaller guy and this is the main reason I've never picked up a 220.



Here's some stuff I can think of about the P6 off the top of my head:



P6 is a German Police trade in pistol version of the P225.

Its a stamped carbon steel slide, which many prefer over the current SS milled slide, mostly due to the balance and reduced weight. I personally have no preference.

It has a stamped trigger with a much heavier pull. The pull can be reduced simply by swapping out the hammer spring.

The hammer on the P6 is "hooked", looks kind of like a skeletonized hammer. The hook was meant to deform when dropped to notify the armorer.

Some P6 barrel feed ramps will not feed HP ammo reliably, usually the pre1980s ones (I can't remember exactly what date).

All 225 parts interchange with the P6 and it shares some parts with the 220 like the hammer, sear, and decocker.

When they first started being imported a few years ago, parts were very limited, however since then lots of surplus parts have surfaced and parts have become a non issue.

btwash
10-14-2010, 3:30 PM
At the risk of stating the obvious, we should mention that P226 and P220 are "full size" with 4.4 in barrels, while the P225 is a compact 3.9 barrel. The "double stack" version of the P225 is the P228, which has now been replaced in the Sig lineup by the P229 (milled slide instead of stamped).

If you are looking for a compact 9mm Sig, I prefer the P228 to the P225.
If you are looking for a full size 9mm Sig, then its a P226.
.40 and .357 are the P229 compact, and P226 full size
Modern P220's are all .45, but they come in "regular" full size, a "compact" variant with a shorter grip, and a "carry" variant that has a shorter barrel length but full size grip.

Sturnovik
10-14-2010, 3:58 PM
At the risk of stating the obvious, we should mention that P226 and P220 are "full size" with 4.4 in barrels, while the P225 is a compact 3.9 barrel. The "double stack" version of the P225 is the P228, which has now been replaced in the Sig lineup by the P229 (milled slide instead of stamped).

If you are looking for a compact 9mm Sig, I prefer the P228 to the P225.
If you are looking for a full size 9mm Sig, then its a P226.
.40 and .357 are the P229 compact, and P226 full size
Modern P220's are all .45, but they come in "regular" full size, a "compact" variant with a shorter grip, and a "carry" variant that has a shorter barrel length but full size grip.



Indeed you are correct sir, the p220 does offer many sizes other than the full duty size.

bryan28
10-14-2010, 4:47 PM
my hands are kinda small and I prefer the P220 to the P226 in ergonomics. The length of the grip is longer, but it's much thinner so I can easily reach the trigger in DA, whereas the P226 DA gives me some trouble.

clockwork
10-14-2010, 6:13 PM
So looks like except for the caliber the P220 and P226 are the same.
P225/P6 (9mm) is a smaller single stack version of the 220/226...

loosewreck
10-14-2010, 6:18 PM
Actually the 228 and 226 are mechanically related, just as the 220 is to the 225- There used to be a 9mm and 38 super 220.

westcoast362
10-14-2010, 6:39 PM
I have a Browning BDA, which were the first SIG P-220s Imported into the US. They had the European mag release, but otherwise are the same. I thought they were such a cool gun that I bought three of them. One in .45acp and two in .38super. They only made 700+ in .38super. I still have one of those. This was back in the 70s. I had to have a holster custom made, because nobody made them in those days.

9mmepiphany
10-14-2010, 11:35 PM
there seems to be some confusion here about the relationships between the various sig models. talking about the Sig Sauer Classic P-series, it goes something like this:

220 - service sized, single stack mag, available in 9mm (original chambering), .45 and .38 Super...there was a European version in .30 Luger too

225/P6 - compact, single stack. the P6 came first as a competititor in the German Police trials; available only in 9mm

226 - the double stack mag version of the 220 sized for the shorter 9mm round. this gun competed in the M9 trials before being introduced for LE sales. the chamberings in .40 and 357Sig did not happen until after the 229 introduced Sigs with milled slides.

228 - the compact version of the 226 available only in 9mm

229 - milled slide version of the 228. originally introduced in with the milled slide to handle the .40 cartridge and later the 357Sig. the 9mm version of the 229 has a different dimensioned slide and mag than the .40 version and is truely a 228 with a milled slide

230/232 - .380 blowback operated pistols

clockwork
10-21-2010, 8:48 PM
Nice summary! TY.

there seems to be some confusion here about the relationships between the various sig models. talking about the Sig Sauer Classic P-series, it goes something like this:

220 - service sized, single stack mag, available in 9mm (original chambering), .45 and .38 Super...there was a European version in .30 Luger too

225/P6 - compact, single stack. the P6 came first as a competititor in the German Police trials; available only in 9mm

226 - the double stack mag version of the 220 sized for the shorter 9mm round. this gun competed in the M9 trials before being introduced for LE sales. the chamberings in .40 and 357Sig did not happen until after the 229 introduced Sigs with milled slides.

228 - the compact version of the 226 available only in 9mm

229 - milled slide version of the 228. originally introduced in with the milled slide to handle the .40 cartridge and later the 357Sig. the 9mm version of the 229 has a different dimensioned slide and mag than the .40 version and is truely a 228 with a milled slide

230/232 - .380 blowback operated pistols

9mmepiphany
10-21-2010, 10:22 PM
I'm glad it was helpful

It makes it easier to keep straight when you are there when they are being introduced :)

I even remember the 221 which was the never introduced double stack .45 220

BTW the Sport models and later the ST and Elite models had Stainless steel frames in place of the standard aluminum alloy frames

POLICESTATE
10-21-2010, 10:29 PM
If you're looking for 9mm I'd get a P228 (have one myself), I prefer the shorter barrel. If .45 ACP then get a 1911 of some sort, possibly the Sig version (although I don't like 1911 with external extractors) or SA, Kimber, Colt, etc... If I was to go .40 S&W then I'd go with the P229.

freonr22
10-21-2010, 10:33 PM
really like the p220st have a 1911 style .45 also

ilkhan
10-21-2010, 10:40 PM
I even remember the 221 which was the never introduced double stack .45 220
How much (if any) wider was/would that be? I keep wondering why there is no staggered (double-stack) version of the P220.

9mmepiphany
10-21-2010, 10:54 PM
it was just bad timing, it was going to be introduced as the 10 round mag capacity limitations came into effect.

I only handle one and it was wide...wider than the CZ 97

sigfan91
10-22-2010, 3:00 PM
Actually the 228 and 226 are mechanically related, just as the 220 is to the 225- There used to be a 9mm and 38 super 220.

This is exactly right.

P226 is not a double stack version of P220. P228 is not a double stack version of P225.

P225 is a chopped down version of P220.

P228 is a chopped down version of P226.

From my experience, P220/P225 has a frame rail design that doesn't wear as quickly as the P226/P228.

Then there's the P228R. This is a German stamped steel slide (P228) fitted over a P229R frame.

P220, P226, and P229 are officially in production for US sales. We will get occasional P225 and P228 imported from Germany for sale.

All Sigs in production for US sale now use milled stainless steel slide. These are slightly heavier and some can feel the difference and the change in balance.

Personally, I prefer old German Sigs with stamped slide and no rails.

loosewreck
10-22-2010, 3:19 PM
This is exactly right.


:cheers2:

The P226 was actually specifically designed for the US military trials, but was just barely beat out by the Beretta M9, some argue based due to cost, some argue politics.

Also: P229 in 357sig is the issue gun of US Secret Service.

9mmepiphany
10-22-2010, 3:35 PM
P226 is not a double stack version of P220.

P225 is a chopped down version of P220.


The 226 is more a double stack version of the 220 than the 225 is a chopped down version of it.

From the muzzle of the 226 to the trigger guard, it is identical to the 220...it is only their butt frame dimensions that differ. The 228 and 229 descend from this family line

While the 225 is a single stack, like the 220, all slide and frame dimensions are different...as well as the geometry of the action. the 220 and 226 share the same trigger geometry.

The 225 was developed as a stand alone design, as the P6, to compete with the P5 (Walther) and P7 (H&K) in the German Police Trials following the Munich Olympics to replace their current 7.65mm duty guns

sigfan91
10-24-2010, 8:17 PM
The 226 is more a double stack version of the 220 than the 225 is a chopped down version of it.

From the muzzle of the 226 to the trigger guard, it is identical to the 220...it is only their butt frame dimensions that differ. The 228 and 229 descend from this family line

While the 225 is a single stack, like the 220, all slide and frame dimensions are different...as well as the geometry of the action. the 220 and 226 share the same trigger geometry.

The 225 was developed as a stand alone design, as the P6, to compete with the P5 (Walther) and P7 (H&K) in the German Police Trials following the Munich Olympics to replace their current 7.65mm duty guns

Hmmm...have you taken apart all 4 of them to take a look?

This first photo is a P220 (back) and a P6 (foreground). Notice the single rail on the right side of the frame and the slide catch that doubles as the ejector.

The second photo is a P226 (back) and a P228 (foreground). Notice the broken up rails on both sides of the frame and the stand alone ejector that's not part of the slide stop.

Also notice the different trigger bar design. P225/P6 and P220 share a similar design while P226 and P228 share a similar design.

I think these design differences are more important than dimensional differences in grouping these handguns.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k281/blurr91/guns/IMG_1441.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k281/blurr91/guns/IMG_1442.jpg

fullrearview
10-24-2010, 8:19 PM
The most important thing to know......THEY ARE ALL BAD ICE!!!!!

9mmepiphany
10-24-2010, 8:44 PM
Hmmm...have you taken apart all 4 of them to take a look?
I have seen them all in detail. I used to believe the 225 was more related to the 220 than the 226 was also.

Besides having been around when each model was introduced, I used to hang out at Bruce Gray's shop when he was local. He was the one who explained to me how the 225, while sharing some parts and designs with the 220, was really a very different design...and why it's trigger can not be tuned as finely as the other models in the P-series. That is why the 225 and 239 have little than size in common

Ranger20
10-24-2010, 9:07 PM
Not much to ad except if your looking for a good carry sig.. the 239 single stack is a nice option in 9, 40 or 357sig. Me giving the nod to the 357sig with a DAK trigger system.

Try to rent a few different Sigs and see if they fit your need !

sigfan91
10-24-2010, 9:20 PM
I have seen them all in detail. I used to believe the 225 was more related to the 220 than the 226 was also.

Besides having been around when each model was introduced, I used to hang out at Bruce Gray's shop when he was local. He was the one who explained to me how the 225, while sharing some parts and designs with the 220, was really a very different design...and why it's trigger can not be tuned as finely as the other models in the P-series. That is why the 225 and 239 have little than size in common

I just think P220 has less in common with P226 than it has with P225. P228 is a chopped down version of P226. If P228 is a double stack version of P225 (design wise, not function wise) then why does it share more features with the P226 than the P225?

I actually prefer the design of P220 over the P226. I noticed a lot of wear on my Swiss P226 and P228, while very little wear on my Swiss P225 and German P6. Granted, the P226 and P228 were shot a lot more than the P225, and especially the P6, but the split rail of P226 and P228 seemed to be more vulnerable to scratches and gouges near the ends.

1nsanity
10-24-2010, 10:20 PM
I find the ergo’s more ideal and a much better shooter with the p6 and especially my p220 9mms which have one and american and euro version. I also find the ergos better on the p226, right after the p220s and a bit better then the p6/ p225s, and much easier on muscle memory then the p228. The p220st and p220 9mm are my favorites overall the other sigs, although never had a chance to try a p210 or p220 .30 luger… sigh…

9mmepiphany
10-24-2010, 10:37 PM
If P228 is a double stack version of P225 (design wise, not function wise) then why does it share more features with the P226 than the P225?

who's claiming that the 228 is the double stack version of the 225?...that wasn't me. They are completely off base.

The German P-series used to consist of the:
1. 220 - service pistol
2. 225 - police pistol
3. 230 - compact pistol

The 220 evolved into the 226, 228, 229 and 239.
The 225 never evolved
The 230 became the 232

1nsanity
10-24-2010, 10:53 PM
I also forgot to mention the p239 which is a single stack compact and highly underrated as well as being an exceptional firearm...