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peopleofthesun
10-11-2010, 6:27 PM
Hello eveyone. Looking to buy my first handgun. Since the magazine capacity is the same on both I'm not sure which one to go with. I did shoot the M&P 40 at the local gun range and liked it other than it did feel somewhat snappier than the other .40 cal I've shot. Any advice is welcome.

RollingCode3
10-11-2010, 6:43 PM
If this is your first handgun, go with M&P9.... cheaper for your wallet and easier to shoot. It is all about SHOT PLACEMENT.

Shenaniguns
10-11-2010, 6:48 PM
Definitely 9mm for a first time shooter, ballistics are close and it's much cheaper to shoot a lot of.

gorenut
10-11-2010, 6:48 PM
9mm. I see it as the most versatile round. Its cheap (relatively speaking) so you can get plenty of practice. Also with modern ammo technology, 9mm is more than enough of a great self defense caliber in a handgun.

GlockTalk9
10-11-2010, 6:55 PM
I selected my first handgun in 9mm caliber due to the fact that I am more accurate with it opposed to .40 and .45. It is my duty weapon. Hitting the intended target is a higher priority for me.

Average Joe American
10-11-2010, 7:08 PM
There is no magic bullet so 9mm +P boned JHP or 40cal or 45acp will all sere you well if you shoot them well and train with your gun to a competent level under stress.

If you are limited to 10 rounds I'd go with the largest caliber you can shoot accurately. If its a defensive gun then dont worry about snappiness or trigger feel...because when you are fighting for your life none of that will be noticed. Only rounds on target will count.

Just pick a caliber you are attracted to and teach yourself to shoot it alot. 9mm is about $11 in my area. 40cal is only $2 more than 9mm but 45acp is almost $5 to $10 dollars more than 40cal. That being said...get the caliber you can afford to shoot alot.

I have a G26 (9mm) as my CCW everyday carry gun and a 40 cal S&W M&P40 as my full size carry/home defense gun.

evolixsurf
10-11-2010, 7:11 PM
I bought the .40 and wish I had the 9. or I wish i had another one in 9 :-). It was also my first hg.

For a .40 next time, i will likely get a cz.

plan-b
10-11-2010, 7:15 PM
I have both the 9mm and the .45ACP. Normally, I'm more of a 9mm fan as I own them 2:1 over .45 but in this case I prefer the M&P in the bigger caliber. I just like the shooting dynamics of the .45 in this particular gun and can't really explain why. Both are keepers though.

RobG
10-11-2010, 7:16 PM
Definitely 9mm. 45 is scarce enough as is, don't need more competition:D

tbhracing
10-11-2010, 7:22 PM
Make mine a nine.

peopleofthesun
10-11-2010, 7:36 PM
Thank you guys for the quick response and good advice. :)

morfeeis
10-11-2010, 7:38 PM
Definitely 9mm. 45 is scarce enough as is, don't need more competition:D
well at least you're honest......

Bukowski
10-11-2010, 8:26 PM
I have both, the wife stole the .9 so I get to use the .45 more :o

Ergonomics are similar, it really boils down to what caliber you want. Both have north of 20K rounds without issues.

Ron-Solo
10-11-2010, 10:05 PM
I love my 9

iareConfusE
10-11-2010, 10:06 PM
9mm because it's cheaper to practice with!

ebencikiv
10-11-2010, 10:10 PM
9mm I love mine.

verapakill
10-11-2010, 10:24 PM
I had a .45 for my first handgun if you want knock down power thats the gun to go with and besides I took the top shot in my academy with the .45 its not about the gun its about the shooter, you can shoot just as accurate with the .45 and you can with a 9mm

BearArms
10-11-2010, 10:28 PM
I'll be buying a 9mm M&P because ammo is cheaper, therefore I can send more rounds down range. Plus I wish to work on accuracy, not for home defense where you may want more stopping power of .45ACP. But as my teacher said, it's not about the gun, it's about the shooter. "I can kill someone just as good with a .22"

jessegpresley
10-11-2010, 10:32 PM
I have both, the wife stole the .9 so I get to use the .45 more :o

Wow, what's the recoil like on a .9!?!?! :p

1911Operator
10-11-2010, 10:33 PM
the hard headed side of me says 45! but the smarter and experienced side of me says 9mm! :D 45's are great, im about 210 and 6ft and my first gun was a P99 (40cal) and I dint shoot much, then a 1911 (45acp) and I had no problem with it, but looking back if I had to do it all over again, i woulda gone with a 9mm. cheaper, easy to get, and better with recoil.

BearArms
10-11-2010, 10:34 PM
Wow, what's the recoil like on a .9!?!?! :p
Probably something like this....

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RT13
10-11-2010, 11:01 PM
Ahh, the old age question. A 9mm or .45? I love both and truly only care about these two calibers in semiautos if I'm being honest. I love both but I truly love the .45. So much more fun to shoot. The M&P9 is a fun plinker, but this model exudes in the .45. M&P45 was 2007 handgun of the year.

nagorb
10-11-2010, 11:12 PM
I would get the .40 that way you can get a replacement bbl and shoot 9mm also.

peopleofthesun
10-12-2010, 8:31 AM
Thanks guys for making the decision harder..haha. I'm leaning towards the 9mm unless I can get the .45 at a good price. Probably end up with both eventually. :) This will be my first actual purchase. I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44mag that my father gave to me. I love shooting that cannon.

cmace22
10-12-2010, 8:45 AM
Like the others have said, go with 9mm first then later down the road if you want get a .45. Ammo difference between the two is almost 10 a box. You can shoot twice as much 9 as you can 45 for the same money.

peopleofthesun
10-12-2010, 10:31 AM
Yeah very good point. I am by no means a great shot so I could use the practice.

Kodemonkey
10-12-2010, 10:35 AM
I'll just pile on and say 9mm as well. I think 45 in 1911 pistols is just as easy to shoot as 9mm, but the cost is half to shoot.

9mm isn't a weak round. And as others have said, the more practice you have the better chance you have of making the shots count.

Don29palms
10-12-2010, 11:34 AM
Get the 40. Almost the same punch as the 45 and just a little bit more in cost than the 9mm.

pingpong
10-12-2010, 1:30 PM
Good luck finding .45ACP these days...

I'd go with the 9mm because a gun that you don't have ammo for is no better than a big rock.

peopleofthesun
10-12-2010, 4:30 PM
Thanks everyone for the suggestions and advice. Now I need to finish saving up and start shopping.

Knauga
10-12-2010, 9:30 PM
You live in California, would you rather have 10 rounds of 45 or 10 rounds of 9mm?

I have the M&P45 and love it!

peopleofthesun
10-12-2010, 10:02 PM
Knauga:

Yeah that was my original thinking and why I was having a hard time deciding.

pacrimguru
10-12-2010, 10:49 PM
i have a 9 and a .45. go for the 9 first, then the .45 after.

PsychGuy274
10-13-2010, 3:38 AM
9mm

peopleofthesun
10-13-2010, 1:00 PM
Thanks all. I'm gonna go with the 9mm first and maybe get the .45acp later down the road.

nagorb
10-13-2010, 1:17 PM
This thread makes me want to get one now. I think I'll get the .40 though, for $150 you can convert it to shoot 9mm also and I've already have a 1911. Damn looks like I'm gonna have to start saving $.

cmace22
10-13-2010, 1:22 PM
Thanks everyone for the suggestions and advice. Now I need to finish saving up and start shopping.


This is a good place to start.

Click me.........
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/37/37120.jpg (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/37121)

peopleofthesun
10-13-2010, 2:45 PM
This is a good place to start.

Click me.........
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/37/37120.jpg (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/37121)

That is a good deal. I saw them at G and R Tactical .com pretty cheap. Anyone dealt with them before?

BearArms
10-13-2010, 8:29 PM
This is a good place to start.

Click me.........
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/37/37120.jpg (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/37121)
Remember you're going to have to pay the FFL fee on top of that as well...but no tax so that will usually still make it a better deal than in-store pricing.

verapakill
10-13-2010, 8:30 PM
Thats a great gun I just bought the compact version of it

peopleofthesun
10-13-2010, 9:42 PM
A couple of FFL's around here will do the transfer for $60-65 including DROS. So far G and R looks like the best deal.

hefedehefe
10-13-2010, 10:12 PM
Yeah I went through this before. After looking and reading all the online stuff. I spent hours. In the end I went with a .40 However I know shoot the same gun with 9mm because you can change out the xd40 barrel and mag and use 9mm. I believe you can do it with this gun too. My point is that if you buy a 9mm, then you probably can only shoot 9mm out of it(maybe .22;some glocks can out of .40's;anyway),so plan ahead. After all, it will be your FIRST gun, and you'll probably never want to get rid of it

ArkinDomino
10-13-2010, 11:21 PM
I love my M&P9. At first it was "meh" but the Apex upgrade kit made this my new favorite handgun outside of my Kimber.

cmace22
10-14-2010, 6:32 AM
A couple of FFL's around here will do the transfer for $60-65 including DROS. So far G and R looks like the best deal.


Wow $460 Thats is the way to go......

peopleofthesun
10-14-2010, 10:48 AM
I know! That's what I said. Hopefully it stays at that price long enough for me to finish saving up for it.

ArkinDomino
10-14-2010, 3:07 PM
If you do order it from G&R do not order it without the APEX trigger upgrade and better sights. You'll save yourself a lot of trouble and cash in the long run.

peopleofthesun
10-14-2010, 4:26 PM
Ok. Thanks for the heads up.

powderedtoastman
10-14-2010, 4:45 PM
Just thought I'd chime in for the 9mm crowd as well. I have an M&P9 and love it. It fits my hand like a glove, is easy to shoot, inexpensive to shoot, accurate, and super simple.

bryan28
10-14-2010, 4:54 PM
I love my M&P9. At first it was "meh" but the Apex upgrade kit made this my new favorite handgun outside of my Kimber.

Sorry for being a noob, but what does the Apex upgrade kit do?

nine eos
10-23-2010, 1:03 PM
i just bought an M&P .45 for my first gun. 9 more days to go...

Dhena81
10-24-2010, 7:44 PM
I just bought a M&P 9 10 days left being basically an exclusive Sig and Glock guy and not really getting excited about new guns anymore I am very excited about this pistol I'm not really sure why. Maybe its because it fits my hands like a glove it has a low bore axis and I love the high grip I can get on it.

My only gripe with the gun has to be the MD I want to do a trigger and grip mod then I have a feeling it will be my new favorite pistol. I'm curios why though you can't go from 9mm to .40 in this particular pistol they seem identical does anyone know for sure this can't be done.

nagorb
10-24-2010, 10:22 PM
I just bought a M&P 9 10 days left being basically an exclusive Sig and Glock guy and not really getting excited about new guns anymore I am very excited about this pistol I'm not really sure why. Maybe its because it fits my hands like a glove it has a low bore axis and I love the high grip I can get on it.

My only gripe with the gun has to be the MD I want to do a trigger and grip mod then I have a feeling it will be my new favorite pistol. I'm curios why though you can't go from 9mm to .40 in this particular pistol they seem identical does anyone know for sure this can't be done.

Here is some good info

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SW-MP-9MMC-425-0P-00&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dstorm% 20lake%26searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTempl ates/FullNav/SearchResult.html

iareConfusE
10-24-2010, 10:26 PM
Here is some good info

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SW-MP-9MMC-425-0P-00&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dstorm% 20lake%26searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTempl ates/FullNav/SearchResult.html

Wow I hope someone makes a .22 slide conversion kit for this gun.

nagorb
10-25-2010, 12:09 PM
Wow I hope someone makes a .22 slide conversion kit for this gun.

I'm surprised no one has yet, I would think they are popular enough that there would be a large market for them.

IrishPirate
10-25-2010, 12:13 PM
http://www.bgstudios.com/rkba/9v45_poster.jpg

don't let a little thing like a few extra dollars stop you from getting a .45 if that's what you feel comfortable with. Get the gun that you can control the best and you feel the most comfortable with. The grip on the .45 might be a little bigger, so that should play into your decision making.

Again, don't fit yourself to the gun, GET THE GUN THAT FITS YOU!!!!

Shenaniguns
10-25-2010, 12:14 PM
I'm surprised no one has yet, I would think they are popular enough that there would be a large market for them.


Apex is considering making one :D

nagorb
10-25-2010, 12:20 PM
Apex is considering making one :D

Damn, another reason I need to get me one of these.

peopleofthesun
10-25-2010, 3:23 PM
http://www.bgstudios.com/rkba/9v45_poster.jpg

don't let a little thing like a few extra dollars stop you from getting a .45 if that's what you feel comfortable with. Get the gun that you can control the best and you feel the most comfortable with. The grip on the .45 might be a little bigger, so that should play into your decision making.

Again, don't fit yourself to the gun, GET THE GUN THAT FITS YOU!!!!

That is a good point. The local gun shops that I went too only had 9mm or 40 cal. no 45. I was only able to rent the 40 cal. too so that made the decision hard. Any one close to me have a M&P 45 or 9mm I can shoot? lol

Captain Crunch
10-25-2010, 3:34 PM
if you have small hands the 9mm

if you have bigger hands the 45

having both i prefer my 45 because it fits my hands better , it feels more solid and due to the slightly bigger grip my finger sits on the trigger more comfortably.

Captain Crunch
10-25-2010, 3:34 PM
p.s if you are in san diego and debating on M&Ps you are welcome to try mine

chesterthehero
10-25-2010, 3:36 PM
go for the 9mm its a nice gun... my girl has about 500 rounds through hers... so far the only nonshooter malfunction is the way it always chambers the first round with a new mag (s&w does not list it as a feature therefore it is a malfunction.. even if its to the shooters "advantage")

tacticalcity
10-25-2010, 3:46 PM
http://www.bgstudios.com/rkba/9v45_poster.jpg

don't let a little thing like a few extra dollars stop you from getting a .45 if that's what you feel comfortable with. Get the gun that you can control the best and you feel the most comfortable with. The grip on the .45 might be a little bigger, so that should play into your decision making.

Again, don't fit yourself to the gun, GET THE GUN THAT FITS YOU!!!!

Not to read too much into the graphic...as I am sure this is probably not what you meant...but if all your shots with a handgun are inside the 10 rings, it is time to speed up...at least from a self defense perspective.

Your goal when training for an actual fire-fight (at full speed vs. something like a trigger control drill) should be a nice hand size grouping. Even in 3 gun competitions, you shoot the way you would in a firefight, with as much focus on speed as on accuracy. The one shot every 5 minutes type training the range masters here in California want you to do is just not gonna help when the bad guys are shooting back.

I only bring this up because I've been seeing a lot more plinker/bench rest minded advice on here lately, and not as much self defense oriented advice.

For those who have not taken a Defense Handgun or Tactical Pistol I course from one of the many schools that advertise in the Competition & Training Section here on Calguns, I strongly recommend it. It will dramatically improve your shooting ability and change the way you look at and use the handgun.

I personally like the 9mm because the fatigue factor during training is less intense. After 300+ rounds in a single training session, followed up by more training the next day, these old arms and this old back really starts to feel it. A smaller caliber helps. Plus, in an actual firefight I like having more ammo per magazine and more ammo on my person. Especially since I short load each magazine by two to prevent feeding errors during those fast tactical reloads.

I like the .45 for stopping power. But it is not like the 45 is going to work like in the movies. It is still gonna take two or more rounds more often than not to do the job. So speed, firepower, and fatigue have me favoring the 9mm. When I was 10 years younger I felt differently, and was part of the "go big or go home" crowd. But then fatigue was no where near as much of an issue back then.

Hollow Grind
10-25-2010, 3:57 PM
I have both, the wife stole the .9 so I get to use the .45 more :o

Ergonomics are similar, it really boils down to what caliber you want. Both have north of 20K rounds without issues.

Whatever caliber you end up with, this is about as good a testimonial for the S&W M&P brand as I've ever seen.

RollingCode3
10-25-2010, 5:39 PM
I just picked mine up 30 minutes ago.. Heading to the range tomorrow.. woo hoo

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/cadetcode3/guns/IMG_0987.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/cadetcode3/guns/IMG_0984.jpg

nagorb
10-25-2010, 5:58 PM
That is a good point. The local gun shops that I went too only had 9mm or 40 cal. no 45. I was only able to rent the 40 cal. too so that made the decision hard. Any one close to me have a M&P 45 or 9mm I can shoot? lol

From what I remember the .40 and 9mm have the same grip.

Trendkill
10-25-2010, 6:55 PM
I have an MP40 and I used to have an MP9.....both are great shooters.

Ive never shot the MP45....but I love shooting my 1911 more than any pistol I have.....so...its a weird choice.

wsmc27
10-25-2010, 7:02 PM
<snip>
For those who have not taken a Defense Handgun or Tactical Pistol I course from one of the many schools that advertise in the Competition & Training Section here on Calguns, I strongly recommend it. It will dramatically improve your shooting ability and change the way you look at and use the handgun.

+1

I personally like the 9mm because the fatigue factor during training is less intense. After 300+ rounds in a single training session, followed up by more training the next day, these old arms and this old back really starts to feel it. A smaller caliber helps. Plus, in an actual firefight I like having more ammo per magazine and more ammo on my person. Especially since I short load each magazine by two to prevent feeding errors during those fast tactical reloads.

I like the .45 for stopping power. But it is not like the 45 is going to work like in the movies. It is still gonna take two or more rounds more often than not to do the job. So speed, firepower, and fatigue have me favoring the 9mm. When I was 10 years younger I felt differently, and was part of the "go big or go home" crowd. But then fatigue was no where near as much of an issue back then.

^^^ Great points. I'm older now too :p The first couple classes I took this year ran our old .45's. The last two used our new 9mm. Love the 9. It isn't the brand on this thread, but I like those M&P's too. ;)

Anyway, we'll probably add another 9 to the safe before anymore 45's, just because of ammo costs and the factors TacticalCity mentions.

OP, good luck and have FUN whatever you choose. btw, we have a 44mag Super BlackHawk handed down from dad as well. Awesome!! :D

peopleofthesun
10-25-2010, 7:04 PM
p.s if you are in san diego and debating on M&Ps you are welcome to try mine

I wish I was. Thanks for the offer. :)

peopleofthesun
10-25-2010, 7:15 PM
tacticalcity: Thanks for the advice

nagorb: I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up.

wsmc27: Thanks..Love shooting that Blackhawk :)

Shenaniguns
10-25-2010, 7:21 PM
You have good taste...

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/a1442a73.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/99207cc7.jpg

peopleofthesun
10-25-2010, 10:44 PM
Nice pics! Lucky!

BearArms
10-25-2010, 11:00 PM
Shenanigans, more pics/details on your stipling? Yours is the first that actually looks pretty good.

peopleofthesun
10-25-2010, 11:19 PM
Shenanigans, more pics/details on your stipling? Yours is the first that actually looks pretty good.

I was thinking the same thing.

BearArms
10-26-2010, 12:09 AM
I was thinking the same thing.
Found it...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=302209
http://mp-pistol.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=25202&st=0

peopleofthesun
10-26-2010, 12:17 AM
Found it...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=302209
http://mp-pistol.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=25202&st=0

Nice! Thank you.

Shenaniguns
10-26-2010, 4:29 AM
Thanks for posting the links for me, Ray has more work pictured here:
http://www.gunatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3094&page=10