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xxsleepyxx
10-07-2010, 1:48 PM
http://www.coolgunsite.com/comm_pistols/M9r.jpg

Without a doubt if the mag cap was 15 this would be in my top 3 picks. But in CA is it ignorant to have such a huge gun?

I might as well "step up" to the 45 right?

http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/7223132202/7768148/ca4887af8a1d7799083ec1225af9f92c.jpg





side note: does the Beretta feed hollowpoints reliably?

Turo
10-07-2010, 1:51 PM
Your question does not follow. :confused:

The Beretta M9 is not a "huge" gun, it's a full size pistol. Plus it's one of the most used pistols in the world. If the magazine held 15 rounds, you could not buy the magazine in CA.

ocspeedracer
10-07-2010, 2:02 PM
I have a bunch of 18 rounders, i think as it's been a while since i've looked at them, pre ban for the m9 but no m9 currently.

Is it a waste if you don't have pre-ban mags, I think kind of. I'm partial to my 1911's anyway.

tempdrummer
10-07-2010, 2:02 PM
Why would it be ignorant to own a full size pistol if the LAW states you can only have 10 rounds. It's not your/our fault.

Also as said it's not huge and a .45 1911 only holds 8 rounds so you're still getting 2 more rounds in your "huge" gun. (not knocking 1911's just sayin).

an hk mk23. That's a huge gun.

CSACANNONEER
10-07-2010, 2:04 PM
I'm trying to figure out what "HUGE" gun the OP is talking about? So far he has only referenced full sized handguns which, as we all know, are far from "HUGE". I'm hoping that he has the ability to bring in a truely big gun like a 20mm of some sort.

Rekrab
10-07-2010, 2:07 PM
Yeah, when I think "huge" I'm thinking of a Desert Eagle, an AR pistol, or a Draco.

When it comes to magazine limitations I say buy the one that you shoot best with. If you can shoot 9mm better than .45 buy the 9mm and restrictions be damned.

ke6guj
10-07-2010, 2:10 PM
I'm trying to figure out what "HUGE" gun the OP is talking about? So far he has only referenced full sized handguns which, as we all know, are far from "HUGE". I'm hoping that he has the ability to bring in a truely big gun like a 20mm of some sort.he could get a 14.5mm JDJ and not have to worry about any DD permits :D

PutTogether
10-07-2010, 2:10 PM
The OP is questioning the point of buying a full size pistol in neurtered capacity versions.

He is using the Beretta as an example. If you are going to have a full sized gun, but it is going to be stuck to a ten round max, wouldn't it make more sense to have a higher caliber? Or stick with the same caliber and go with a smaller version of a gun. ie: G19 instead of 17.

We all know that you should ONLY: "buy the gun that fits you and you train with and you hold the best" and all that, but he still has a point. Owning pre-ban mags negates that point a bit, but it is still a point.

Cali-Shooter
10-07-2010, 2:14 PM
TBH I thought this was going to be a thread justifying buying a Deagle. I remember I almost did...

ianS
10-07-2010, 2:22 PM
Its heavy, wide, and largish compared to other full size 9mm's but its one of the most reliable 9mm autos out there. The 92FS is not one of the most size efficient full size 9mm auto but if you like the model and what it has to offer that's what matters.

CSACANNONEER
10-07-2010, 2:24 PM
he could get a 14.5mm JDJ and not have to worry about any DD permits :D


Or a front loading cannon:D

SJgunguy24
10-07-2010, 2:25 PM
TBH I thought this was going to be a thread justifying buying a Deagle. I remember I almost did...

What the hell is a Deagle?
I know what a Beagle is.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/tinkerbel_babe/Puppies/beagle.gif

If you really want a BIG GUN, get an AR , AK, FAL, or some other obnoxious pistol like that.

SJgunguy24
10-07-2010, 2:26 PM
Or a front loading cannon:D

OK you don't play fair.

CSACANNONEER
10-07-2010, 2:28 PM
OK you don't play fair.

If it doesn't require wheels to move it, it's not "big" let alone "HUGE".:D

SJgunguy24
10-07-2010, 2:31 PM
If it doesn't require wheels to move it, it's not "big" let alone "HUGE".:D

You know I was gonna post up a video of the old Nuke gun from the 50's but I thought that would be a little over the top.

silverfj40
10-07-2010, 2:32 PM
12-inch .475 Wildey Magnum




http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn139/silverfj40/Wildey%2012-inch/IMG_1952.jpg



12-inch .475 Wildey Magnum

CSACANNONEER
10-07-2010, 2:34 PM
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn139/silverfj40/Wildey%2012-inch/IMG_1952.jpg



12-inch .475 Wildey Magnum

Smaller than the average Contender with a super 14 barrel.

taloft
10-07-2010, 2:36 PM
That is some flawed logic. Mag capacity is a minor consideration for most selections. A G19 will hold more than ten rounds, same as a G17. Both are limited to ten rounds for most people in California. The difference in size is more based on usage. A larger site radius on a full size gun helps in aiming. The additional weight helps tame recoil. A compact version trades these benefits for the ability to carry a lighter weapon that conceals better. Obviously, there are other benefits and trade offs to each design. To say that it is better to have a smaller gun since you can't have regular capacity magazines is to overlook the majority of criteria when selecting a gun.

mydogsmonkey
10-07-2010, 2:38 PM
op i was thinking teh same thing, got a beretta 92fs but i ended up being a real good shot with it, the grip fits my hand perfectly and round after round feels great, barely working it it seems, try it out and see how you shoot with it

Ed_Hazard
10-07-2010, 2:43 PM
Smaller than the average Contender with a super 14 barrel.

:D:D


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ADH
10-07-2010, 2:44 PM
One of the main advantages of the full size pistol is the longer barrel. The bullet has more time being propelled by exploding gas to gain velocity before it exits the bore. Mag capacity is only one consideration. A full size pistol will be a little bit more accurate and powerful than it's compact variants.

Colt-45
10-07-2010, 2:49 PM
FNP 45 Usg and Desert Eagle, now those are huge pistols.

Lucky Scott
10-07-2010, 3:15 PM
I never understand how mag capacity is such a big deal, cant you just put in another loaded mag?
I agree the california 10 round mag deal is stupid, but I would never not buy a gun because of it.

cmace22
10-07-2010, 3:23 PM
http://www.coolgunsite.com/comm_pistols/M9r.jpg

Without a doubt if the mag cap was 15 this would be in my top 3 picks. But in CA is it ignorant to have such a huge gun?

I might as well "step up" to the 45 right?

http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/7223132202/7768148/ca4887af8a1d7799083ec1225af9f92c.jpg





side note: does the Beretta feed hollowpoints reliably?

The OP is questioning the point of buying a full size pistol in neurtered capacity versions.

He is using the Beretta as an example. If you are going to have a full sized gun, but it is going to be stuck to a ten round max, wouldn't it make more sense to have a higher caliber? Or stick with the same caliber and go with a smaller version of a gun. ie: G19 instead of 17.

We all know that you should ONLY: "buy the gun that fits you and you train with and you hold the best" and all that, but he still has a point. Owning pre-ban mags negates that point a bit, but it is still a point.


I hear what you are saying and Im with ya. For me owning a full size gun comes with one plus and thats mag capacity. Thats if I already have high caps for it.
Im not a competitive shooter and I dont care if I can ring the plates at 200 yards or put all my rounds in a tight little 1" hole at 50 yards. I want to hit what i aim at with reasonable accuracy on a consistent basis.
What it comes down to is how the gun fits in your hand and how well you shoot it. If it turns out its a full size so be it.

Ascout
10-07-2010, 3:24 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Ascout/unknown-3.jpg

silverfj40
10-07-2010, 3:52 PM
Smaller than the average Contender with a super 14 barrel.


I thought we were talking about semi autos?

Old4eyes
10-07-2010, 3:54 PM
1. The Beretta 92fs will eat just about anything you give it.
2. If you want big power in a small package, try a small 357 titanium or plastic pistol. Report back on how the wrist feels after shooting 100 rounds.
3. If you shoot that 9mm Beretta better than whatever you find in .45, then the Beretta was better.

If your hand fits the grips and you can handle the safety on the slide, it's a great pistol. It's not the gun that's by my nightstand but I wouldn't feel unarmed if it was that gun by the nightstand.

Fjold
10-07-2010, 3:59 PM
You want a huge gun? Buy the BFR 45.70 five shot revolver.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/bfr_fact.asp

cmace22
10-07-2010, 4:15 PM
You want a huge gun? Buy the BFR 45.70 five shot revolver.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/bfr_fact.asp


Haha. Thats not really what BFR stands for......

CSACANNONEER
10-07-2010, 4:24 PM
I thought we were talking about semi autos?

The OP did not specify "handgun" let alone "semi auto". But, if you insist, here's my home built big semi auto:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/002-1.jpg

Just to let you know, I really do envy you for owning a Widley though.

xxsleepyxx
10-07-2010, 4:28 PM
^^ that's my worst nightmare.. along with any other rifle. 10 shots and it takes up your whole closet? Talk about inefficient. Now if we were anywhere else in America then it makes perfect sense. 30 shots of .223 can knock down about anything.

M. D. Van Norman
10-07-2010, 4:35 PM
The Beretta 92FS is an oversized pistol, in my opinion, though it's not as excessively oversized as the HK USP series. ;)

CSACANNONEER
10-07-2010, 4:37 PM
^^ that's my worst nightmare.. along with any other rifle. 10 shots and it takes up your whole closet? Talk about inefficient. Now if we were anywhere else in America then it makes perfect sense. 30 shots of .223 can knock down about anything.

I agree. I just built it as an F'you to California laws.:D

loosewreck
10-07-2010, 4:48 PM
To OP, depends on the intended use of the pistols. IMHO, full size pistols are much more comfortable to shoot during longer range sessions and are far more versatile. For me mag cap is a little annoying, but no biggie, I'm not gonna let it stop me from enjoying a specific model and action type. If mag cap really bothers you, I suggest considering a single stack pistol, like a 1911.

Günter
10-07-2010, 6:23 PM
OP, not long ago, I wanted a full-size metal frame semi-automatic pistol for HD and target practice. I was looking into Beretta 92FS, CZ 75B, SIG Sauer P226, Springfield GI 45 (1911), Taurus PT92. I tried most of them out and eventually narrowed down my choices to rather a Beretta 92FS or a Springfield GI 45.

-Both have similar dimensions, Beretta is wider and the 1911 is heavier.

-Both pistols are proven designs and I never had a jam with my time with either of them so far.

-Both have small fixed sights, and very good crisp single-action trigger resulted in similar accuracy for both guns. The double-action trigger on the Beretta is heavy but smooth.

-Both pistols were very comfortable in my medium sized hands, though the Beretta had thicker grips. I preferred the 1911’s safety location, but I also liked Beretta’s slide release lever better.

-Both pistols are priced similar with many accessories available.

For me, the deciding factor came upon the cons regarding ammunition: choosing rather the restricted 9mm capacity of the 92FS, or the costly .45 ACP ammunition for the 1911. I eventually decided to get the 92FS first, due to my meager budget at the time. I am happy with my 92FS and have no regrets, then again I’d probably would say the same if I bought the 1911 however. Ill probably buy the 1911 next…

Oldnoob
10-07-2010, 6:36 PM
It seems logically in the mag ban states, go up in caliber is the way to go. But I'm just never enjoy 45 as much as others. (unless shooting out of a fine turned 1911, which I'm still saving up for one).
In the mean time, 40s&w is my go to caliber.

anothergunnut
10-07-2010, 6:44 PM
It's why I bought a model 96 instead of a model 92 and why I bought a Glock 23 instead of a Glock 17.

Dangerous1
10-07-2010, 6:54 PM
If money is no object, I'd go with the .45 mainly because I love 1911's. But since shooting costs money, you'd get much more practice shooting 9mm than .45ACP. Plus, with quality self defense ammo, there's not much difference in stopping power. Also 10+1 is more comforting than 7+1 imho.

evidens83
10-07-2010, 7:12 PM
Huge gun???

eccvets
10-07-2010, 8:15 PM
neither of those gun are huge guns even by handgun standards. why not try a 454 cassule for a large revolver or a desert eagle and/or a mark23 if you want an autoloader

SnWnMe
10-07-2010, 8:19 PM
1911 > M9

Munk
10-08-2010, 1:13 AM
"Huge Gun". I've got a 96g with the Brigadier slide (beefier than normal). Nothing on the 92 frame is "huge". Full-size is about right.

When you were talking Huge, i thought you meant a DEagle or something that starts with .454 or more. (acp is not "huge").

Or just something absurd like
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/thunder50tripleactionllcloganut.jpg

scarville
10-08-2010, 10:11 AM
This is a huge gun
http://www.heronforge.net/ZS/gay-tank.jpg
It's also a pink gun.

tempdrummer
10-08-2010, 4:41 PM
^^ that's my worst nightmare.. along with any other rifle. 10 shots and it takes up your whole closet? Talk about inefficient. Now if we were anywhere else in America then it makes perfect sense. 30 shots of .223 can knock down about anything.



No offense but what exactly would you be shooting at that needs 30 rounds of .223 anyways?