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Dr.Mauser
10-06-2010, 9:31 PM
Would these rounds work out of an old 1911? :http://www.fsdip.com/website/VBRBelgiumHome/English/TheVBRFBICRISATBallistictestprotocol/45ACPVBRFBICRISATtest/tabid/374/Default.aspx

dustoff31
10-06-2010, 9:35 PM
Don't see why not. But they would also be a felony in CA.

TKM
10-06-2010, 9:40 PM
Good luck with a .45acp. Probably stop shallow enough to grab with your fingers.

I've seen Black Talons bounce back out of mud. Lautenberg swore that they could take down the Space Shuttle or something.

TRICKSTER
10-06-2010, 9:40 PM
Don't see why not. But they would also be a felony in CA.

Yep, no AP handguns rounds allowed.

Dr.Mauser
10-06-2010, 9:42 PM
Did you see some of those rounds they have on there!!?!?! they have some CRAZY looking ammo omg, some of the gelatin impacts made me cringe

stitchnicklas
10-06-2010, 10:10 PM
felony,look else where and keep your gun rights

Interloper
10-06-2010, 11:26 PM
What exactly is the legal definition of armor piercing ammo? Is it simply projectile composition or does the sabot/driving band and sub caliber projectile come into play?

Dr.Mauser
10-06-2010, 11:39 PM
Im not sure, but im PRETTY sure if you hit anyone wearing anytype of body armor with an 8mm round, that it would pierce the armor. So then the question remains, what is the definition.

joelogic
10-06-2010, 11:53 PM
Definition or not, they are selling them as AP so I guess they are AP.

Definition is probably; a bullet specifically designed to defeat body armor.

BTW, why is this under C&R? Ammo forum would probably be better.

Dr.Mauser
10-07-2010, 12:57 AM
i wanted to know whether or not it could work with an original 1911 or not and the 1911 is C&R lol

Jado
10-07-2010, 12:48 PM
What is AP ammo by Federal Law?
Check the following link for information.

http://nucnews.net/2000/du/98du/981204du.laws.htm

Note that the ability to actually penetrate any kind of soft body armor is irrelevant.

Individual states may have additional laws and reulations.

WTSGDYBBR
10-07-2010, 1:39 PM
I own a HK USC that shoots 45acp ? Would it be legal to own 45acp-AP for my HK Rifle.

Nick Justice
10-07-2010, 4:46 PM
Kalifornia Penal Code

12320. Any person, firm, or corporation who, within this state
knowingly possesses any handgun ammunition designed primarily to
penetrate metal or armor is guilty of a public offense and upon
conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in the state
prison, or in the county jail for a term not to exceed one year, or
by a fine not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both
such fine and imprisonment.



12321. Any person, firm, or corporation who, within this state,
manufactures, imports, sells, offers to sell, or knowingly transports
any handgun ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or
armor is guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be
punished by imprisonment in state prison, or by a fine not to exceed
five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both such fine and
imprisonment.



12322. Nothing in this chapter shall apply to or affect either of
the following:
(a) The sale to, purchase by, possession of, or use of any
ammunition by any member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine
Corps of the United States, or the National Guard, while on duty and
acting within the scope and course of his or her employment, or any
police agency or forensic laboratory or any person who is the holder
of a valid permit issued pursuant to Section 12305.
(b) The possession of handgun ammunition designed primarily to
penetrate metal or armor by a person who found the ammunition, if he
or she is not prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition
pursuant to Section 12021, 12021.1, or paragraph (1) of subdivision
(b) of Section 12316 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the
Welfare and Institutions Code and is transporting the ammunition to a
law enforcement agency for disposition according to law.



12323. As used in this chapter, the following definitions shall
apply:
(a) "Handgun ammunition" means ammunition principally for use in
pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed
upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001,
notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.
(b) "Handgun ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or
armor" means any ammunition, except a shotgun shell or ammunition
primarily designed for use in rifles, that is designed primarily to
penetrate a body vest or body shield, and has either of the following
characteristics:
(1) Has projectile or projectile core constructed entirely,
excluding the presence of traces of other substances, from one or a
combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, beryllium copper,
or depleted uranium, or any equivalent material of similar density
or hardness.
(2) Is primarily manufactured or designed, by virtue of its shape,
cross-sectional density, or any coating applied thereto, including,
but not limited to, ammunition commonly known as "KTW ammunition," to
breach or penetrate a body vest or body shield when fired from a
pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
the person.
(c) "Body vest or shield" means any bullet-resistant material
intended to provide ballistic and trauma protection for the wearer or
holder.
(d) "Rifle" shall have the same meaning as defined in paragraph
(20) of subdivision (c) of Section 12020.


12324. Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit the possession,
importation, sale, attempted sale, or transport of ammunition from
which the propellant has been removed and the primer has been
permanently deactivated.


12325. Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit the manufacture of
ammunition under contracts approved by agencies of the state or
federal government.

No. You can't use it in a rifle. Not legally in CA at least.

WTSGDYBBR
10-07-2010, 8:08 PM
Law blows there is 556 and 762x39 pistols now how does this effect the law now ?

Quiet
10-07-2010, 8:50 PM
Law blows there is 556 and 762x39 pistols now how does this effect the law now ?

Is 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm principally used in handguns or rifles?
The answer explains why.

Toast
10-07-2010, 9:42 PM
Yep, no AP handguns rounds allowed.

So is running M855 in a AR pistol a no-no? Or is it not because it's not AP, it's a "penetrator"?

WTSGDYBBR
10-07-2010, 10:58 PM
principally used in a rifle . However a law is a law if it was chambered in a pistol what type of ammo does that make it and how would it stand in court ?

Is 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm principally used in handguns or rifles?
The answer explains why.