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KIDRR
09-30-2010, 2:34 AM
I did a search and didn't see anything on the first few pages recently so please no one blow an Oring.

I have rails, not impressed with surefire that much really. Don't like the 123 batteries they use, don't like the relatively short run time. Have a G2 and L1 now but no mounts.

Ed_Hazard
09-30-2010, 2:51 AM
I like the I-tac light grip. Used to be sold as the Sig light. For mounts I llike and use the GG&G offset mount.

http://www.lapolicegear.com/ggoftaflmo.html

2Bear
09-30-2010, 3:10 AM
I recently went with one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SSC-P7-LED-900-lumens-Tactical-Flashlight-Torch-Set-/170536078478?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b4be0c8e (eBay 900 Lumen Cree P7 LED Tactical Kit)

Stoopid bright. 2 rechargeable, longer life batteries.

900 lumens is ridiculous, it's so bright, it's stoopid.

http://f5.images22.51img1.com/6000/longfly2100/54f46a0e700a2786c7e0e4b7a8715051.jpg

Any light with a P7 LED is generally good, but they often cost $300+.

I'm still chuckling over the OP's o-ring line. These lamps have them, FWIW...

KaLiFORNIA
09-30-2010, 6:02 AM
I went with the led kit for my g2, extends battery life, brighter. I use a vltor qd rail mount (not offset)

Wherryj
09-30-2010, 9:04 AM
I did a search and didn't see anything on the first few pages recently so please no one blow an Oring.

I have rails, not impressed with surefire that much really. Don't like the 123 batteries they use, don't like the relatively short run time. Have a G2 and L1 now but no mounts.

123 will be the best battery if you really want to count on the light. They retain 85% of charge even after sitting in a safe for 10 years.

If you haven't checked your light in the past month, an alkaline will likely have leaked or lost charge-right when you need that tactical light (I'm assuming home defense?).

If you go the LED route, you will get up to 2 hours of run time on a 200 lumen light with 123s. Online you can get 123s for around a dollar a piece. I don't see a major issue with using 123s for critical use items.

For a daily flashlight you're correct. You'll get more value out of standard cells like AA, D, etc. Don't overlook the advantages of the 123, however. It is reliable, will not leak (only have the pressure safety disable the cell if it overheats) and isn't that expensive when you consider the use of the intended device.

Wherryj
09-30-2010, 9:06 AM
I went with the led kit for my g2, extends battery life, brighter. I use a vltor qd rail mount (not offset)

Check out the newer Cree inserts for the G2. I picked one up that is rated at 340 lumens. That doesn't consider the "throw", but it has a brightspot at least as bright as my 200 lumen Surefire 623 forend, with a bit more spill to act like a secondary flood.

pacrimguru
09-30-2010, 9:32 AM
I have rails, not impressed with surefire that much really. Don't like the 123 batteries they use, don't like the relatively short run time. Have a G2 and L1 now but no mounts.

mount your G2 on your rail with this:

http://www.valkyrietactical.com/images/vtacmk4-4.jpg

http://www.valkyrietactical.com/images/vtacmk4-5.jpg (http://www.valkyrietactical.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=20&products_id=1670)

1911su16b870
09-30-2010, 9:34 AM
After using the following: Surefire 900, 500A, 951A, 6P in surefire clamp, Scout 600 and Streamlight TLR my fav is the Scout and 6P in a clamp.

dieselpower
09-30-2010, 9:41 AM
You should sit back and think about this...Why are the top tactical flashlight companies using CR123 cells? This is their business...they have done the leg work.

One thing to think about is some flashlights look like tactical lights, even say they are firearms rated...but are not. Hook it up to the firearm, turn it one and use it all day. None of the made in china tactical flashlights I have used stood up to this challenge. By mid day all of them either turned into strobe lights every pull of the trigger or simply stopped working.

From what I have read (Vickers, Rogers, Ayoob, Costa) 190 lums is a good starting number and 300ish should be max for a tactical rifle light. If you are going to be scanning a large field you may want more.

@ 2Bear..dude 900 lums...I'd be afraid of setting my house on fire lol. There is no way a suspect is going to be looking your way with that pointed at them.

Omega13device
09-30-2010, 9:49 AM
I use a G2 LED in a Danger Close G2 mount (http://www.dangercloseconsulting.com/lowpro-g2--flashlight-moun2.html) for classes and home defense. With the LED I believe it's 12 hours on one set of batteries. At the rate I use the light it will be years before I use up one set.

Consider your use case when selecting a light. I'm not chasing bad guys through the woods so I don't need 900 lumens.

Boltz
09-30-2010, 9:57 AM
Lithium CR123 batteries are much more powerful than alkalines - they are more energy dense (ie same size batteries are lighter), stand up to temperature variations much better, and retain their charge longer. The reason they have short run times is because the devices using them use so much energy!

But as others have mentioned, use a flashlight that uses LEDs vs incandescent (which I'm assuming your G2 uses), and you'll get much better runtimes.

FeuerFrei
09-30-2010, 10:43 AM
Streamlight TLR1s with the strobe feature.
I run this on an AR with FSB rail on the port side.
Switch is located for easy reach from the forearm. (I use my thumb)
Can also easily switch it to pistol with rail with out tools.
CR123 batts are the way to go for long term storage.
Retails for $100.00 right now online.

nrakid88
09-30-2010, 11:03 AM
TLR-1, I have one, it goes on EVERY gun I own, my ar, my 10/22, my glock, my 870. Its a work horse, small, good controls, will hold up to use, waterproof. Only like a hundy bucks

BlackViper
09-30-2010, 11:09 AM
Is your primary use going to be indoors or outdoors? There's a big difference in the lumens you want for each one.

KING_PALM
09-30-2010, 11:12 AM
I did a search and didn't see anything on the first few pages recently so please no one blow an Oring.

I have rails, not impressed with surefire that much really. Don't like the 123 batteries they use, don't like the relatively short run time. Have a G2 and L1 now but no mounts.

you instantly lose on this one dude.

put your 6p in a mount and call it a day.

watchmaker
09-30-2010, 11:35 AM
I did a search and didn't see anything on the first few pages recently so please no one blow an Oring.

I have rails, not impressed with surefire that much really. Don't like the 123 batteries they use, don't like the relatively short run time. Have a G2 and L1 now but no mounts.

Check this light, 350 lumens RECHARGEABLE, 2 hours run time, quick detach LEVER mount, pressure pad switch and also the regular click switch

Also available in flashlight form with 5 levels lamp with up to 9 houts of run time.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=276900

Wherryj
09-30-2010, 11:37 AM
You should sit back and think about this...Why are the top tactical flashlight companies using CR123 cells? This is their business...they have done the leg work.

One thing to think about is some flashlights look like tactical lights, even say they are firearms rated...but are not. Hook it up to the firearm, turn it one and use it all day. None of the made in china tactical flashlights I have used stood up to this challenge. By mid day all of them either turned into strobe lights every pull of the trigger or simply stopped working.

From what I have read (Vickers, Rogers, Ayoob, Costa) 190 lums is a good starting number and 300ish should be max for a tactical rifle light. If you are going to be scanning a large field you may want more.

@ 2Bear..dude 900 lums...I'd be afraid of setting my house on fire lol. There is no way a suspect is going to be looking your way with that pointed at them.

Unfortunately I'm not sure if YOU will be looking at much with that. I've walked around the house with my Surefire 623LMG Mossberg forend. I can tell you that when you are in a dark home, reflections off just about ANY glossy surface in your home from almost any range you'll find within the home will be enough to ruin your own vision.

There is sort of a maximum you'll need if you want to be able to see as well. Can you imagine having a 1000 lumen light reflect directly off a mirror back into your face in a darkened environment?

Wherryj
09-30-2010, 11:50 AM
Check this light, 350 lumens RECHARGEABLE, 2 hours run time, quick detach LEVER mount, pressure pad switch and also the regular click switch

Also available in flashlight form with 5 levels lamp with up to 9 houts of run time.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=276900

That's the same Cree insert that I put into my Surefire G2. It costs about $17. It should be pretty easy to make a non-rechargeable version for about $40 (G2) + $17 (Cree 340lumen LED insert) + $25 (viking mount) + $23 (tacstar remote pressure switch). I rounded up prices that I found readily available, so you may be able to make it cheaper.

As for being able to use LiIon rechargeables...that thread does show ingenuity. It would probably cost at least that much to purchase/make a similar setup.

I am still not sure why there is so much concern for a couple of dollars worth of batteries when it is something that could be "mission critical". I'm glad to pay for the 123s for lights that I use for HD. Every rechargeable that I have ever used, no matter how well rated or how well they were "proven" to hold charge, have ALWAYS been a disappointment.

I haven't tried the new hybrid rechargeables, but I am not holding my breath. Battery technology is lagging behind most other fields.

tacticalcity
09-30-2010, 11:55 AM
I run a SureFire E2D Light in a Larue QD Lever Mount. I really like it. Light weight, bright, easy to move from rifle to rifle if I want or just take it off if I want. Batteries are the same ones I use for my other lights and something I already keep in my GO BAG (a.k.a. bug out bag). As for the battery life, I've gone 10 years before having to change the batteries on lights I use all the time (6P and G2).

ExtremeX
09-30-2010, 12:17 PM
I like both of these brands, check out the reviews, many people use them as weapon lights. Good quality stuff.

http://goinggear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=14_18&zenid=d7ffe1ae67e11a93b99d99613fa9d2bd

http://goinggear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=14_43&zenid=11bbd321c379069ee238cb1898a8b399

Im thinking of getting the PD30 for my AR, maybe something with longer throw if you plan on shooting farther out. For a HD light the PD30 is pretty sweet.

KIDRR
09-30-2010, 5:22 PM
Thanks everyone! Leaning towards the TLR1

Crowesnest
09-30-2010, 5:37 PM
I like my SUREFIRE M961 XM07

tai
09-30-2010, 9:44 PM
surefire all the way.

shadowofnight
10-01-2010, 12:43 AM
Thanks everyone! Leaning towards the TLR1


Great light, you wont be disappointed.







I saw this particular way to mount a light ahead of the front sight , it keeps the rifle narrow.

http://www.danieldefense.com/img/product/f60271377799e875f1860625d4e826c4.jpg










So I tried it with my TLR-1.....It worked great.


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70442&d=1285918905


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70435&d=1285910087

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70436&d=1285910125

gun toting monkeyboy
10-01-2010, 9:55 AM
Streamlight TLR1s with the strobe feature.
I run this on an AR with FSB rail on the port side.
Switch is located for easy reach from the forearm. (I use my thumb)
Can also easily switch it to pistol with rail with out tools.
CR123 batts are the way to go for long term storage.
Retails for $100.00 right now online.

^This.

I have one of these, and I spent the extra $8 to get the version with the strobe. Trust me, you want that. The light is bright enough to light up targets clearly at more than 50 yards at night, or light up a whole room so you can see clearly. The strobe is fast enough that it doesn't interfere with target aquisition, but it is freakin' blinding and disorienting on the receiving end. It pulses fast enough that your pupils can't compensate. If it is facing you, your night vision is gone AND your regular vision is fairly tweeked too. Trying to aim it it is difficult, to say the least. My brother and I played with one in a dark warehouse to see how effective it is. He is probably getting one now, and I am probably going to get another. Cost-wise it gets you the most value for your money. It is not a Surefire. But it doesn't have a Surefire price tag either.

rero360
10-01-2010, 10:27 AM
[QUOTE=shadowofnight;5050793]Great light, you wont be disappointed.







I saw this particular way to mount a light ahead of the front sight , it keeps the rifle narrow.

http://www.danieldefense.com/img/product/f60271377799e875f1860625d4e826c4.jpg
QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that having a flashlight project into the line of expelling gases from the flash suppressor is going to break the flashlight. I know the pictures you put up of your personal rifle won't have this issue with the longer barrel but I'm willing to bet that first picture one wouldn't last too long.

tomd1584
10-01-2010, 11:50 AM
+1 for a Surefire mounted @ 12 oclock rail.

Here's my setup:

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx14/TD236/HPIM1482.jpg

thevic
10-01-2010, 11:53 AM
Hellfighter x-8. Just got one for freeee

shadowofnight
10-01-2010, 11:54 AM
[QUOTE=shadowofnight;5050793]Great light, you wont be disappointed.







I saw this particular way to mount a light ahead of the front sight , it keeps the rifle narrow.

http://www.danieldefense.com/img/product/f60271377799e875f1860625d4e826c4.jpg
QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that having a flashlight project into the line of expelling gases from the flash suppressor is going to break the flashlight. I know the pictures you put up of your personal rifle won't have this issue with the longer barrel but I'm willing to bet that first picture one wouldn't last too long.


No doubt , I saw that too and said that light is gonna be toast :p

I just like the idea not DD's particular execution of it :D

Their little front sight does work perfectly sitting behind the TLR-1 though, but as you mentioned...give it some breathing room.

quick draw mcgraw
10-01-2010, 12:02 PM
I prefer the multi-light setup! :rolleyes:

http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad308/tnewburn/swiss_army_assault_rifle.jpg

ExtremeX
10-01-2010, 12:18 PM
You know what funny... I think that’s a real NF scope in there...

And the hood ornament, HAHAHA

DavidRSA
10-01-2010, 12:23 PM
I run a Primary Arms Ultimate Weaponlight - 380 lumens - $79
http://www.primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=40&categoryId=118
http://www.primaryarms.com/images/1244757972811-603733401.jpeg

Mounted using a LaRue LT170 throw lever mount for $79
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=43
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/catalog/P1012073small.JPG

Sicarius
10-01-2010, 12:26 PM
I will also never use any other battery than a 123 cell for a weapon light. I am also a huge fan of surefire products. I am a member on the CPF forums so we build some rediculous lights and though surefire are not the brightest, they are the most robust and consistant quality lights out there. For indoors I would use an LED. LED's aren't known for their throwing ability but they are great at lighting up a close area, blinding the heck out of whatever is on the other end and are instant on and off. Incan's are great at throwing the light further.
Kevin

Wherryj
10-01-2010, 12:47 PM
I prefer the multi-light setup! :rolleyes:

http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad308/tnewburn/swiss_army_assault_rifle.jpg

I've got to get that grip mounted key holder!

Booshanky
10-01-2010, 12:48 PM
I've got a fenix tk10 and I love it. had it on my AR for probably about 2 years now. Every time I go to the range I make sure to keep the light on while I'm shooting to see if I have any problems with it because of the recoil but I've seen nothing. Great light.

-Mark

Wherryj
10-01-2010, 12:59 PM
I will also never use any other battery than a 123 cell for a weapon light. I am also a huge fan of surefire products. I am a member on the CPF forums so we build some rediculous lights and though surefire are not the brightest, they are the most robust and consistant quality lights out there. For indoors I would use an LED. LED's aren't known for their throwing ability but they are great at lighting up a close area, blinding the heck out of whatever is on the other end and are instant on and off. Incan's are great at throwing the light further.
Kevin

This is the one for outdoor use.
http://www.law-17.com/images/plasma1.jpg

I'm having trouble finding a mount kit for it, however. Does anyone know where to pick one up?

http://www.law-17.com/plasma-index.html

ArkinDomino
10-01-2010, 1:47 PM
get the surefire x300 with the pressure switch and call it a day. I love the x300 so much I got a couple for my pistols!!

stormy_clothing
10-01-2010, 2:09 PM
you should never mount a light directly in line with the sights - you'll be trying to focus through the haze of the corona from the light and resorting more to muscle memory than actual aiming. And the sight posts can get quite hot which isnt fun trying to manipulate the light switch.

2Bear
10-01-2010, 2:19 PM
LED's aren't known for their throwing ability but they are great at lighting up a close area, blinding the heck out of whatever is on the other end and are instant on and off.

Apparently you have yet to experience a well-made P7 LED based light.

This technology is moving fast. Further, throw has a lot to do with the reflector/lensing of the source. Surefire™ does this well, but you pay dearly for it.

http://www.seoulsemicon.com/en/product/prd/zpowerLEDp7.asp