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ExtremeX
09-28-2010, 10:48 PM
This is my 2nd AR... Im thinking of getting a Stag or RRA 20" or 24" Bull Barrel for a dedicated bench setup.

Anyone have one?

Any regrets or praises?

Any other manufactures to consider for such a setup?

hylander
09-28-2010, 10:59 PM
I had an 18" Varmint Upper
Great Upper, fit and finish was great, Zero issues and Super Accurate
One Regret, I sold it.
However I just orderd a new RRA Upper :D

This is how it shot with my handloads :cool:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/hylander7/Firearms/Modern/Stag%20AR/IMG_0173.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/hylander7/Firearms/Modern/Stag%20AR/IMG_0014.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/hylander7/Firearms/Modern/Stag%20AR/IMG_0012.jpg

mr2.0
09-28-2010, 10:59 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/nguyejp1/v1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/nguyejp1/v2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/nguyejp1/v3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/nguyejp1/v4.jpg
* Mega lower
* Mega upper(wih M4 feed ramp)
* E.R. Shaw 24" barrel 1-9 twist fluted black ( with M4 feed ramp barrel extension)
* Young N/M bolt & carrier,
* RRA 2 stage trigger, RRA LPK, Prince mag lock
* KNS pins, Badger tactical charging handle latch
* Magpul trigger guard
* DPMS 10rd mag(2), DPMS pistol grip
* Magpul PRS stock, JP tension pin
* White Oak Armament free floating handguard
* Custom low profile gas block ( To conceal inside the hand guard), painted black gas tube
* Harris bipod 6-9 swivel and notched
* TPS medium rings, Supersniper 10x42M scope, Butler creek scope covers, Armsmounts rail ( Custom anodize hard
black to match the receiver)

dieselpower
09-28-2010, 11:12 PM
I have a 16" HBAR and love it. A 24" Bull would be a bench gun for sure...lots-o-weight there.

ExtremeX
09-28-2010, 11:17 PM
hylander, Very nice groups. Which upper did you have from RRA? The Varmint A4 or Predator Pursuit?

mr2.0, you got a slick looking setup there. I like the all black and fluted barrel.

ExtremeX
09-28-2010, 11:19 PM
I have a 16" HBAR and love it. A 24" Bull would be a bench gun for sure...lots-o-weight there.

Its going to be heavy, and a bench rest only gun. I dont mind the weight on this build tho. Its going to be something I use at Angelas or Project 2000 in SD.

SJgunguy24
09-29-2010, 2:25 AM
I have an RAA Predator Pursuit 20" SS upper. It sucks to haul around but fun to shoot.
I've never tried to go for tight groups and I have only had 1 good chance to shoot at extended ranges.
It's nice to dial up the range, sight and bang. Busted clay at 600 yards.
Point, squeeze, and laugh.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/001-10.jpg

SFgiants105
09-29-2010, 2:37 AM
Get one. They're legit. I'm not totally sure on this, but I've heard that shorter barrels on the m4 carbines is what causes the cycling problems that the DI system is famous for. If that's true, then the opposite must be true too: longer barrels promote reliable cycling.

I clean my AR every 500rds, and that's just the firing pin, bolt face, and feed ramp with a dry cloth. I use solvent every 1000, and I don't exactly shoot handloads or Federal either.

Plus, with the longer barrel, they're almost as quiet as an AK. :p

JTROKS
09-29-2010, 8:05 AM
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh257/joshuatroy/DSC04814.jpg?t=1285909320

This is my factory Stag Varmint that I got from a trade. It amazed me when I shot some 77 grain SMK handloads through it punching a .75" - 5 shot group at 100 yards and the smallest group was about .55". Sorry no picture of the groups. The trigger wasn't the best, but that's easily resolved with aftermarket match triggers or a trigger job.

savage1
09-29-2010, 8:25 AM
I have a 20" from Fulton Armory. I do not think they offer this one anymore. It has a 1/8 barrel, It is their varmint model. I think they now offer it with a 1/12.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/savageracing/IMG_7675.jpg

dfletcher
09-29-2010, 8:39 AM
I have similar set up as post #3 - it's a 24" heavy barrel, Magpul stocked flat top with a "can we get any closer?" power scope mounted. I also have a 16" bull barrel flat top upper I switch out with another lower shared with a 7.62X39 16" upper. The 223 16" bull barrel has a 4.5 to 14X scope on it and a the single lower has an ACE stock that works well for target or casual shooting. The 223 16" heavy barrel is my "sort of" target upper that I take along with the 7.62 for a little more serious target shooting than I do with the 7.62.

BigBamBoo
09-29-2010, 8:46 AM
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Cobra Tactical
09-29-2010, 8:49 AM
RRA A2 20" HBAR upper half is one of my favorite uppers. It is also one of the most accurate uppers i have owned.

ExtremeX
09-29-2010, 9:45 AM
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=270

I see RRA offers the 24" in 1:8 or 1:12 twist... Is the 1:12 better for 40gr Varmint loads?

What would you recommend for longer distance shooting? Im hitting paper.

I have a Bunch of 5.56 55gr American Eagle right now. Or would I be better off with .223 with the RRA upper?

Any real difference with Stag and RRA? Stag price is a little cheaper.

I think im going to pull the trigger on a Bull Barrel upper, ive been eyeing them since I got my first AR.

Is it worth getting a threading for a break?

ExtremeX
09-29-2010, 9:52 AM
I see a lot of love for the 20" here, and reason you guys went with a 20" instead of the 24"? For my build, this is going to be 100% bench only.


Is it worth getting the added barrel length? Since its going to be a rifle length gas system, is the 20" a better match / overall system?

mif_slim
09-29-2010, 10:22 AM
24" bbl DPMS setup:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mif_slim/100_3915.jpg

Shoots
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mif_slim/100_3929.jpg
200 yards.

No regret but I dont shoot L-R anymore so..its collecting dust ALOT.


Reason for 24" is just that it can push out more FPS..so at added distance it can hold velocity and trejectory and not be blown by wind too much.

hylander
09-29-2010, 3:15 PM
hylander, Very nice groups. Which upper did you have from RRA? The Varmint A4 or Predator Pursuit?


That one was the Varmint A4
I just orderd the standard A4 with the SS Match barrel, same barrle that the Predator Pursuit uses.

There are nice Rigs here, I love seeing targets posted :cool:

Since your shooting bench only you could use 20" or 24"
My personal preferance is RRA all the way :)
And get a 1:8 -1:9 twist, those will work great with 40gr. up to aleast 60gr.

ExtremeX
09-29-2010, 3:38 PM
I was going to get the Stag but I think I may try the RRA out. Still an overall good value + I get the chromed bolt carrier.

RRA has the Wylde chamber... is it typically more accurate with .223 or 5.56? I have a lot more 5.56 laying around.

The Stag shows 5.56

hylander
09-29-2010, 3:43 PM
I was going to get the Stag but I think I may try the RRA out. Still an overall good value + I get the chromed bolt carrier.

RRA has the Wylde chamber... is it typically more accurate with .223 or 5.56? I have a lot more 5.56 laying around.

The Stag shows 5.56

The Wylde is typically more accurate with both, do to the shorter Throat, the bullet has less jump to the lands, especially with smaller bullets
IE: 40gr. - 55 gr.

Also check out PK Firearms for a great price
They have both the RRA Rifle's and Upper's in Stock :cool:

http://www.pkfirearms.com/

ExtremeX
09-29-2010, 4:10 PM
Thanks for the link =)

I was looking for a better price on the internet. I need to call tommorow to make sure it includes the chromed bolt.

Anyone know of a place with better prices or free shipping?

hylander
09-29-2010, 6:09 PM
Thanks for the link =)
I was looking for a better price on the internet. I need to call tommorow to make sure it includes the chromed bolt.
Anyone know of a place with better prices or free shipping?

Shipping is $14.00 for an Upper
but don't know if they will honor the Chrome bolt deal RRA has going.
I'm going to check though

ExtremeX
09-29-2010, 6:14 PM
Going a little off topic: What type of triggers are you guys running in your own bench guns? Type and Pull Weight?

I got an RRA 2 Stage laying around and im going to send a single stage Stag trigger group off for some trigger work. Trying to decide if I should get 4 lb, 3 lb, or 2.5 lb on my dedicated bench lower.

dg29
09-29-2010, 6:48 PM
PM sent with some info that may be useful to you.

God Bless The Mauser
09-29-2010, 6:53 PM
I have a 24" version and it would easily shoot sub MOA groups with factory and handloads. I lost interest in it when I got the Remington 700.

ExtremeX
09-29-2010, 7:01 PM
24" Stag or RRA or Other?

Whats ur Remmy chambered in? Im looking for my first bolt gun in .308 (Remmy, Savage, Tikka.. but lets not get into that :D )

What made you loose interest in shooting the 24? I really dont want this AR to turn into a safe queen, but its only going to get used on the bench anyways and my intro into long range shooting. Cheaper to learn and practice with.

God Bless The Mauser
09-29-2010, 7:19 PM
24" Stag or RRA or Other?

Whats ur Remmy chambered in? Im looking for my first bolt gun in .308 (Remmy, Savage, Tikka.. but lets not get into that :D )

What made you loose interest in shooting the 24? I really dont want this AR to turn into a safe queen, but its only going to get used on the bench anyways and my intro into long range shooting. Cheaper to learn and practice with.

Its a JT Distributing upper(Doublestar).
The Remington is an SPS Varmint in .308
Part of it is I took the scope off the upper to use with the Remington so I can't use it now :( I also took the lower and used it for a BCM 14.5" carbine. I will eventually get a scope for it and get a BCM lower to go with the upper and use the old lower with the 24" again. I slapped a cheap red dot on there for a temporary thing and still managed to hit clays up to 360 yards. Buying an M35A2 deuce and a half and a bunch of M855 has killed my scope budget :D

If you get a precision bolt gun and start shooting good groups or shooting long distance like it's meant for you will probably lose interest in the AR. The advantage of the AR, however, is the ammo costs less although if you reload it won't be a big difference.

Falstaff
09-29-2010, 9:09 PM
I have a 24" Sabre defence upper in stainless chambered in .223. I am very happy with it; but in my two trips so far, I havent been able to even come close to the groups hylander posted, wow! Someday. Well, to be fair I was shooting some Tula cheapo .223 and getting 4-5" grouping and I don't have a high dollar scope yet (using a 30+ year ol Leupold Vari X 3X9. I did shoot 2 boxes of federal factory ammo (.223 hollow points) and they didnt do any better than the Tula, can anyone recomend a factory box of ammo that could mebbe shrink my groups down to say 2"? (I'm not ready to handload yet)

hylander
09-29-2010, 9:48 PM
I have a 24" Sabre defence upper in stainless chambered in .223. I am very happy with it; but in my two trips so far, I havent been able to even come close to the groups hylander posted, wow! Someday. Well, to be fair I was shooting some Tula cheapo .223 and getting 4-5" grouping and I don't have a high dollar scope yet (using a 30+ year ol Leupold Vari X 3X9. I did shoot 2 boxes of federal factory ammo (.223 hollow points) and they didnt do any better than the Tula, can anyone recomend a factory box of ammo that could mebbe shrink my groups down to say 2"? (I'm not ready to handload yet)

For inexpensive ammo:
Winchester White Box 45gr. Varmint in the 40 round box.
This ammo shoots MOA in every .223 I have had, Even my Mini-14 :)

But first; if the best you can get with the Federal is 4" -5" groups
you might want to check a few things: cause something Ain't right.
The Crown of your Barrel for Nicks
Scope and Mounts for tightness and proper fit
Try another Scope

hylander
09-30-2010, 5:25 PM
Called PK Firearms this morning.
They will honor the free Chrome BCG upgrade :cool:
So my new RRA Upper is coming with a Chrome BCG :D

ExtremeX
09-30-2010, 5:49 PM
Called PK Firearms this morning.
They will honor the free Chrome BCG upgrade :cool:
So my new RRA Upper is coming with a Chrome BCG :D

Yup, I called them in the morning too and got the same story.

I still like the Stag 24" upper... I found a great deal today too so I am going to go with that. I dont really see any issues with either one, and I do like that stag has an accuracy guarantee. Either way, Im sure both the RRA and Stag are going to shoot better than I can.

At this point, Im shopping on price alone. The chromed bolt is nice, but more of a bling factor than anything else for me.

Im going to order after this weekend, in case I find something I MUST HAVE at the gun show in Del Mar :D

Twystd1
09-30-2010, 9:50 PM
White Oak Armament
http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/complete_uppers.htm

This is my preference. I have both a 16'' bull AR carbine and a 24'' bull, fluted AR. The 24 inch is in 204 Ruger.

Either of these ARs will shoot dimes at 100 yards if i kinda try. The 204 is scary accurate out to 300 yds + if the wind is relatively calm.

Several of our members here have shot these rifles. And find them kinda boring as well. Thats because whatever you set the cross hairs. You hit your target. And that does get kinda boring after a while. :rolleyes:

Note: You will rarely ever see a chrome lined barrel on a designated target rifle or a varminter for that matter. A hard chrome lined barrel does not help accuracy in the least. Unless of course we are going to war with our target rifle and had constant moisture, sand, dirt and possibly ocean air to deal with for an extended period of time. Then it makes good sense. :p

Thats my .02 anyway.................

Cheers,

Twystd1

RawImpact
09-30-2010, 10:49 PM
i've got the 26'' from woa, lets just say it's heavy :)

i havn't been able to take it out yet so i can't tell you on performance, but woa has a good reputation