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Mercenetti
09-27-2010, 8:39 PM
Im out to purchase an AK-47 im going to buy it this weekend
not sure if i want a 762 or a 545 yes i know the 545 has better range shoots faster less recoil, but how much does 1,000 rounds of 5.45 cost?
How much does 1,000 rounds of 7.62 cost?

Wich rifle is cheaper to feed and the better buy?

thank you calguns
and thank you calgunners:)

Full Clip
09-27-2010, 8:55 PM
You can get 1K of x39 for $199.50... (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW76239PHP&groupid=185)
1080 rounds of of 5.45 for $129.95... (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A54539R&groupid=179)
I'm sure less elsewhere.

Flogger23m
09-27-2010, 8:56 PM
Cheap 5.45 = corrosive.

7.62x39 can be found at your local gun stores to, I doubt 5.45 can.

Some things to consider.

joelogic
09-27-2010, 8:56 PM
You could easily google the prices.
5.45 ~$150 a case.
7.62 ~$200 a case.

I do believe 5.45 is corrosive though.

Full Clip
09-27-2010, 9:23 PM
5.45 is also ALL imported.
One exec order and it's gone.
Stock up while you can!

C.W.M.V.
09-27-2010, 10:06 PM
The corrosive thing isnt a big deal. Punch the tube and be done with it.
Just bought 7.62x39 at .19 cents/round.
I can get 5.45 all day for .11 cents/round.
There you go, 5.45 is cheaper, for now anyway. Its getting more and more popular so the price is bound to go up.

problemchild
09-27-2010, 10:49 PM
The corrosive thing isnt a big deal. Punch the tube and be done with it.
Just bought 7.62x39 at .19 cents/round.
I can get 5.45 all day for .11 cents/round.
There you go, 5.45 is cheaper, for now anyway. Its getting more and more popular so the price is bound to go up.

FAIL

Corrosive is a salt and a fast acting rust inducer to ANY steel part. Google rust from corrosive ammo. You need a special upper to shoot corrosive which has tons of protection or else you need to clean it very very good right away.

C.W.M.V.
09-27-2010, 10:51 PM
FAIL

Corrosive is a salt and a fast acting rust inducer to ANY steel part. Google rust from corrosive ammo. You need a special upper to shoot corrosive which has tons of protection or else you need to clean it very very good right away.

:rolleyes:

FAIL

I don't need a stinkin' special anything, I shoot AK's. Have fun with your fairy rifle.

EDIT: Op is also going to be shooting 47's. So where did your upper requirement come into play? No one here seems to care.

NSR500
09-27-2010, 10:52 PM
5.45x39 is currently cheaper. Keep in mind that most available 5.45x39 is milsurp steel cased and steel core. You might be limited with where you can shoot it.

C.W.M.V.
09-27-2010, 10:55 PM
5.45x39 is currently cheaper. Keep in mind that most available 5.45x39 is milsurp steel cased and steel core. You might be limited with where you can shoot it.

+1. I'm lucky that my range doesn't care I can shoot anything legal. Most aren't so forgiving. I don't know anything about Hornadays new ammo in 5.45, but Id like to believe that as it becomes more and more popular more domestic, reloadable, copper jacket 5.45 will start to show up.

NSR500
09-27-2010, 11:00 PM
The Hornady round looks good. I like their 5.56 practice ammo, so hopefully the 5.45 is the same, or better.

markslyon
09-28-2010, 3:17 AM
Bushmaster makes a very nice and cheap 7.62x39 upper. I just got one and it shoots nice! Ammo for it is everywhere too. It's probably the most common round in the world besides .22. 5.45 is cheaper but only by a little.

MrPlink
09-28-2010, 3:23 AM
:rolleyes:

FAIL

I don't need a stinkin' special anything, I shoot AK's. Have fun with your fairy rifle.

EDIT: Op is also going to be shooting 47's. So where did your upper requirement come into play? No one here seems to care.

heh... "fairy rifle"

corrosive ammo is hardly a big deal, esp on a AK. A bit of windex or water and you are GTG. Do you really think an AK wont cycle with some surface rust?

C.W.M.V.
09-28-2010, 3:46 PM
heh... "fairy rifle"

corrosive ammo is hardly a big deal, esp on a AK. A bit of windex or water and you are GTG. Do you really think an AK wont cycle with some surface rust?

Whoa dude, I'm FIRMLY in the AK camp. My fairy comment was directed at the AR crowd. I was responding tho the claim that you need a "special upper" (AR) to shoot corrosive ammo. I don't need special anything, Tovarisch Kalashnikov made sure of that by designing a superior rifle.

WTSGDYBBR
09-28-2010, 3:53 PM
A ak will cycle with a mouth full of dirt. All ak 47 were met for corrosive ammo. I never even clean my ak and it keep blasting off rounds. Seems the dirty it is better it shoots.

heh... "fairy rifle"

corrosive ammo is hardly a big deal, esp on a AK. A bit of windex or water and you are GTG. Do you really think an AK wont cycle with some surface rust?

SxB
09-28-2010, 4:30 PM
Have to agree with C.W.M.V.
Corrosive is not a big deal. Just do a good job cleaning after shooting.

problemchild
09-28-2010, 8:28 PM
:rolleyes:

FAIL

I don't need a stinkin' special anything, I shoot AK's. Have fun with your fairy rifle.

EDIT: Op is also going to be shooting 47's. So where did your upper requirement come into play? No one here seems to care.



Do you always let your a-s-s do the talking? DOH!

Enjoy your "cant hit anything after 50 yards" rust bucket. Ill be the one shooting steel at 800-1000 yards 20 out of 20. Headshots at 500. Try that with your --->wannabeamuslimrifle.

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_1.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_2.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_3.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_4.jpg

SxB
09-28-2010, 8:42 PM
Wannabemuslimrifle????
AK's are Russian. My ak is able to reach out to 300 yrds. I wouldn't shoot an ar15 or ak past that. I'd switch to an ar10 or bolt action rifle.
If you cleaned your rifle after you shot it, it wouldn't look like that.

C.W.M.V.
09-28-2010, 8:43 PM
What a fool.........

Do you always let your a-s-s do the talking? DOH!

Enjoy your "cant hit anything after 50 yards" rust bucket.

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_1.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_2.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_3.jpg

Nice of you to get other peoples pics to justify your obvious lack of experience with the AK platform. Ive pulled them out of irrigation ditches where they've been hidden in the mud and water so long the wood has rotted off. Guess what-kick the bolt open, dump the mud out and make sure there are no barrel obstructions and that thing dumped a 30 round mag in a second or 2 without malfunction on auto. Try that with your AR. Aint gonna happen.
Oh and I love you guys and your "Inaccurate at 50 meters" failed jabs. If you really think its that bad find someone with an AK and stand 50 meters downrange with a target on you chest, you got nothing to worry about right?
Newsflash guy, the AK, like the AR, is only as accurate as the shooter using it. A ugandan child soldier or IP/IA isnt going to do dink with either. Anything Ive done with an AR I could do with an AK, and Ive done a bunch with the AR.
Oh and the really nice thing about 7.62x39? A stucco and brick wall wont stop it, 5.56, eh, not so much...

Besides there isnt anything wrong with that that a shot of oil and some dry cycling wont fix.

SxB
09-28-2010, 8:45 PM
What I ment to say is that ak's were originally made in Russia.

C.W.M.V.
09-28-2010, 8:48 PM
Wannabemuslimrifle????
AK's are Russian. My ak is able to reach out to 300 yrds. I wouldn't shoot an ar15 or ak past that. I'd switch to an ar10 or bolt action rifle.
If you cleaned your rifle after you shot it, it wouldn't look like that.

Ya just saw his edit. Love this guy. If your shooting at someone at 800-1000 yards with an AR your either in a really bad situation or you F'd up royal.

wannabemuslimrifle? Last time I checked Michail wasn't a popular muslim name.

nicoroshi
09-28-2010, 8:58 PM
Doesn't have to be corrosive you know:

Silver Bear NON-corrosive (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/120rds-545x39-silver-bear-60gr-fmj-ammo/cName/545x39-fmj)

The corrosive stuff is cheaper of course, and really not a big deal. Just clean with Windex or hot water, and oil well. No problem.

To answer the OP:
5.45x39 is cheaper to feed than 7.62x39.
I say get at least one in both calibers. :D
Russian surplus Corrosive (http://www.ammoman.com/index.htm)

As for accuracy of the 7.62x39.
Here's 10 out of my Yugo M-70 at 50 yards with imported Russian ammo (brown bear to be exact):
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7192/dscn4280.jpg

I'd bet my left nut that I can still hit a 'zombie sized' target at 300 yards without issue with that rifle.
Reaching out past 300 I pass right by both my ARs, and AKs, and grab a bolt gun.
My 2 cents.

SMG_VII
09-28-2010, 9:36 PM
aimsurplus.com sells 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 for $180. And it's non-corrosive ammo at that.

dmax11
09-28-2010, 9:49 PM
aimsurplus.com sells 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 for $180. And it's non-corrosive ammo at that.

yeah i bought 500 rounds of wolf 7.62x39 at the last gun show from miwall for 105 after tax. its pretty dang cheap if you look for it.

pyro3k2
09-28-2010, 9:50 PM
Last time I checked the AK was invented to defend the motherland against the Nazi's in the last year of WW2, it was adopted in 1947 but was designed and prototyped around 1945. Also if the AK was so inaccurate why would so many countries continue to use it? doesn't matter if your rifle never jams or is 100% reliable if you can't hit anything. Ak's are accurate, not percise but accurate. Shooting corrosive ammo in an AK, like the OP said he/she was planning on doing will make very little if all any difference in the rifle if anything it would hurt the re-sale value. Also the photo's posted of that AK rusted to all hell, I am willing to bet the cost of an AR that, that gun still fired after the bolt was kicked open.

A fact that no one in their right mind can argue, the AK is responsible for more loss of human life than any other rifle in the world.

also picked up a 1260 round yugo silver box for $250 at this past gunshow.

C.W.M.V.
09-28-2010, 10:15 PM
Last time I checked the AK was invented to defend the motherland against the Nazi's in the last year of WW2, it was adopted in 1947 but was designed and prototyped around 1945. Also if the AK was so inaccurate why would so many countries continue to use it? doesn't matter if your rifle never jams or is 100% reliable if you can't hit anything. Ak's are accurate, not percise but accurate. Shooting corrosive ammo in an AK, like the OP said he/she was planning on doing will make very little if all any difference in the rifle if anything it would hurt the re-sale value. Also the photo's posted of that AK rusted to all hell, I am willing to bet the cost of an AR that, that gun still fired after the bolt was kicked open.

A fact that no one in their right mind can argue, the AK is responsible for more loss of human life than any other rifle in the world.

also picked up a 1260 round yugo silver box for $250 at this past gunshow.

Wasnt it recently that the UN ran the numbers and found that AK type rifles make up 1/5 of the worlds total firearms? Hard to argue with success like that.

metalliman545
09-29-2010, 4:55 AM
Do you always let your a-s-s do the talking? DOH!

Enjoy your "cant hit anything after 50 yards" rust bucket. Ill be the one shooting steel at 800-1000 yards 20 out of 20. Headshots at 500. Try that with your --->wannabeamuslimrifle.

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_1.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_2.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_3.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_4.jpg

Hey RETARD, did you know that WE (America) USED CORROSIVE AMMO UNTIL THE LATE 50s?!

hmmm i guess all those 50 year old garands sure are rusted to hell.
1903s too? m1 carbines? 1911s? yea NONE of those survived. especially in ww2, we were throwing away weapons left and right because we used corrosive primers in them. if there was corrosive 5.56 id buy it for my ar, wanna know why? because all you do it wipe it down when your done shooting! just like your suppose to do! i will gladly take an AK that has thousands of corrosive shot through it thats been left to rot over and AR thats been left to rot in the same hole.

pyro3k2
09-29-2010, 6:46 AM
Wasnt it recently that the UN ran the numbers and found that AK type rifles make up 1/5 of the worlds total firearms? Hard to argue with success like that.

LOL you changed your avatar picture, I thought it was someone else for a second. I thought that was a false statistic since the people conducting it were not counting the ak-74 since it is not an ak-"47". If you include all the bastard spin offs that still use the AK action, im pretty sure that % would be a little higher.

13204u
09-29-2010, 7:07 AM
Just as a heads up the rusted AK shown, was used with a suppressor and not cleaned for quite some time. This didn't happen overnight. Article can be found here.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/09/suppressed-rifles-get-very-dirty/

smle-man
09-29-2010, 7:36 AM
GIs on the line turned their rifles when rotated out of the line for rest because so many weapons were in bad shape due to corrosion from the ammunition and weather conditions. Their weapons were broken down, cleaned and repaired as needed. They would draw replacement weapons. Corrosive ammo can be a major problem in combat when time doesn't exist to do daily operator mainenance.

pyro3k2
09-29-2010, 7:38 AM
GIs on the line turned their rifles when rotated out of the line for rest because so many weapons were in bad shape due to corrosion from the ammunition and weather conditions. Their weapons were broken down, cleaned and repaired as needed. They would draw replacement weapons. Corrosive ammo can be a major problem in combat when time doesn't exist to do daily operator mainenance.

Which war/conflict and were these rifles AK's?

pyro3k2
09-29-2010, 8:17 AM
NUFF SAID

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4h81xIRJR1qapkmyo1_400.jpg

iareConfusE
09-29-2010, 8:20 AM
Do you always let your a-s-s do the talking? DOH!

Enjoy your "cant hit anything after 50 yards" rust bucket. Ill be the one shooting steel at 800-1000 yards 20 out of 20. Headshots at 500. Try that with your --->wannabeamuslimrifle.

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_1.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_2.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_3.jpg

http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/ak-74_4.jpg

Funny enough, I bet that AK still worked even in that condition. I like AR's, but I'm not sure an AR would still work after that :D

problemchild
09-29-2010, 11:41 AM
Funny enough, I bet that AK still worked even in that condition. I like AR's, but I'm not sure an AR would still work after that :D

Yeah but I wouldn't want to pull the trigger on the first round. I have doubts to the round chambering and the pin moving forward with enough power to set off the cap.

problemchild
09-29-2010, 11:43 AM
Dang!

An AK-47 and a cloak in invulnerability. Holy sheit!

You see you learn something new everyday. I had no idea God carried an Ak-47. I thought it was only cherished by Muslims, Dictators, Commies and murderous gangs in sheet- hole 3rd world countries.


NUFF SAID

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4h81xIRJR1qapkmyo1_400.jpg

C.W.M.V.
09-29-2010, 1:19 PM
Yeah but I wouldn't want to pull the trigger on the first round. I have doubts to the round chambering and the pin moving forward with enough power to set off the cap.

Yep, you've obviously never dealt with the weapon system much.

Dang!

An AK-47 and a cloak in invulnerability. Holy sheit!

You see you learn something new everyday. I had no idea God carried an Ak-47. I thought it was only cherished by Muslims, Dictators, Commies and murderous gangs in sheet- hole 3rd world countries.

Damn, I was just about to say maybe you should push away from the keyboard before you say something stupid, but you beat me to it!

Half the worlds sovereign countries use the AK or AK pattern rifles. Many in places where an AR type would just up and quit. Its the most copied/successful weapon in the history of personal firearms if not the history of armed conflict. The only weapons that have been copied more than the AK are the sword and spear. That says a whole lot.

Oh and asserting the weapon is bad because of the people who use them? Are you sure you don't work for the Brady campaign? Its cool to watch though, I mean its pretty obvious that you have no facts to back you assertions, so you start name calling.

Funny stuff! Keep it up!

BACK TO OP
Corrosive ammo isn't a big deal in AK's.

SxB
09-29-2010, 2:10 PM
Agreed. For my SHTF survival stockpile it's my ak74 and a few thousand rounds of corrosive surplus ammo.

pyro3k2
09-29-2010, 2:18 PM
Agreed. For my SHTF survival stockpile it's my ak74 and a few thousand rounds of corrosive surplus ammo.

very true, just look at countries where **** has already hit the fan, sad to say none of them are using ar's. With as cheap as the surplus ammo is and how you can store a spam can for a very long time, just buy a 640(1080 for 5.45x39) can every other month. Unless you hit the range ever weekend and do some serious mag dumps Im sure you wont out shoot your supply.

smle-man
09-29-2010, 6:33 PM
Which war/conflict and were these rifles AK's?

I was replying to the comment that our GIs fought WW2 with corrosive ammo. Well, we did and it trashed weapons in combat. If the U.S. did not have such a super efficient Quartermaster and Ordnance organization which kept small arms supplied to the front and rebuilt arms taken from the front, pitted bores on U.S. martial arms would be as common as pitted bores on Mausers, MNs, and Lee Enfields.

pyro3k2
09-29-2010, 6:52 PM
I was replying to the comment that our GIs fought WW2 with corrosive ammo. Well, we did and it trashed weapons in combat. If the U.S. did not have such a super efficient Quartermaster and Ordnance organization which kept small arms supplied to the front and rebuilt arms taken from the front, pitted bores on U.S. martial arms would be as common as pitted bores on Mausers, MNs, and Lee Enfields.

oah ok, must have miss read something there, my bad.

novalondon
09-29-2010, 11:27 PM
Wannabemuslimrifle????
AK's are Russian. My ak is able to reach out to 300 yrds. I wouldn't shoot an ar15 or ak past that. I'd switch to an ar10 or bolt action rifle.
If you cleaned your rifle after you shot it, it wouldn't look like that.

Must not be a Vet.....In the Corps we had to qual at the 500 meter line with both the AR and the M-14 ...Both using open sights. Shot Expert with both rifles back in the day........USMC 69-78 :cool:

C.W.M.V.
09-29-2010, 11:32 PM
Must not be a Vet.....In the Corps we had to qual at the 500 meter line with both the AR and the M-14 ...Both using open sights. Shot Expert with both rifles back in the day........USMC 69-78 :cool:

No one is saying you cant do it, I was Army and Id do 500 meters with the 16 all the time, the point is that there are much better rounds for 300+ meter shots.

Besides the ability to hit a target on the KD range at 500 means absolutely jack and squat in a 50 meter gun fight.

Kestryll
09-30-2010, 12:39 AM
Have fun with your fairy rifle.

Do you always let your a-s-s do the talking? wannabeamuslimrifle.

Hey RETARD,


See all this crap?

Each of you could be banned for these foolish comments.

One time, knock it off and keep the smart aleck stuff and name calling to yourself.

Is this clear?

Mercenetti
09-30-2010, 9:04 PM
Thank you guys for all your answers and helping me decide wich AK to purchase!
and in my opinion AK is the better rifle.