This entire question may be moot soon if the news we got today is true...

[James R.]

but just to satisfy my curiosity.

If one were to put a Magpul PRS stock on their rifle, would that be considered a collapsing stock? The range of adjustment is teeny tiny compared to a true collapsing stock, but I suppose it does expand and contract in length, therefore collapsing and thus evil?

Regards,

James R.

[dmckean44]

What news did we get today?

[Charliegone]

i don't think even the ar-15 collapsible stocks are illegal..I mean..it doesn't really shorten the rifle a lot. I can understand a hk-91 collapsible stock, but an ar stock?:confused:

[James R.]

What news did we get today?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=25432http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=25432

I consider that news...

Regards,

James R.

[James R.]

i don't think even the ar-15 collapsible stocks are illegal..I mean..it doesn't really shorten the rifle a lot. I can understand a hk-91 collapsible stock, but an ar stock?:confused:

Well if you had a gripless AR and stuck the Magpul PRS on it I believe you could get into trouble...

Regards,

James R.

[dmckean44]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=25432http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=25432

I consider that news...

Regards,

James R.

What does a 5 month old thread have to do with anything?

[accordingtoome]

ya... hmm... a little lost??

[BamBam-31]

Man, that's an old thread. Not news, buddy. And I'd think the PRS stock is more adjustable than collapsible.

[kantstudien]

Wait, you mean AR and AK recievers are legal now?! :eek:

Sweet! :D

:rolleyes:

Oh yeah, if the stock moves one inch, it is collapsible. That is why Benelli pulled their "fake" folding M1014s with pseudo-folders.

[James R.]

Wait, you mean AR and AK recievers are legal now?! :eek:

Sweet! :D

:rolleyes:

Oh yeah, if the stock moves one inch, it is collapsible. That is why Benelli pulled their "fake" folding M1014s with pseudo-folders.

!$@%!$ Damnit, I freaking hate this forum format :-( Someone posted on the thread which brought it back around to the front, so it was bold and appeared to be new. I'm a newb to this forum so I didn't notice the original post date and people were posting up the thread a bunch. Sigh, sometimes you see what you wanna see I guess :-(

I've been spoiled by a *VASTLY* superior board format which is so much easier to read, follow and track threads. I know, new guys shouldn't rock the boat...but honestly, this forum format leaves a lot to be desired.

Here's an example of a good IMHO forum format...I've been on this forum and forums based on it (KAWF) for the better part of 8+ years...

Example (http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/)

Sorry guys, I'm generally the anti-noob...still learning the ropes of this forum and all it's quirks. Quite hard to follow and keep up with threads you're posting on...and apparently it pulls old threads up front if they get posted on, live and learn.

Regards,

James R.

[adamsreeftank]

Here's an example of a good IMHO forum format...I've been on this forum and forums based on it (KAWF) for the better part of 8+ years...

Example (http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/)
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You're joking, right?

[MysteryCereal]

I've been spoiled by a *VASTLY* superior board format which is so much easier to read, follow and track threads.



Quite hard to follow and keep up with threads you're posting on...and apparently it pulls old threads up front if they get posted on, live and learn.


:-/ It's not THAT hard to understand this board(or the millions of other running off a similar vBulletin style)

[xenophobe]

I've been spoiled by a *VASTLY* superior board format which is so much easier to read, follow and track threads. I know, new guys shouldn't rock the boat...but honestly, this forum format leaves a lot to be desired.

Here's an example of a good IMHO forum format...I've been on this forum and forums based on it (KAWF) for the better part of 8+ years...

Example (http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/)

That is probably one of the most ancient and outdated board formats around.

Go to the top of this thread, top right of the first post and select "Display Modes" and that will take you to threaded mode.

You can always search your own posts, or you can subscribe to threads you've posted in. To the left of "display Modes" there is "Thread Tools" select subscribe. When you come back here, go to the top LEFT, select "User CP" (Control Panel) and you'll see the threads you've subscribed too.

This forum uses vBulletin, which is the most advanced and best message forum software out there. If you post a LOT, or go to a lot of high-traffic boards, this software completely outshines any other format out there, and many of them copy the look and feel of this forum.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I have to agree I hate that style that you think is superior. It seems awfully confusing and quite the waste of time if you ask me. I can never tell what is referring to what. Let alone that still wouldn't prevent you from not noticing an old date would it? And how would news of Mr. Chinn saying two more weeks change anything having to do with a Magpul PRS? :confused:

[Omega13device]

Sorry guys, I'm generally the anti-noob.

Really? I would have thought by now you'd have learned that you don't come onto a board and start off by bashing it. That's basic netiquette.

[creampuff]

I had to set up a small work related private forum, and in the process of doing so vbulletin really seem to set the standard for online bulletin boards. The main complaint I found was, it wasn't free :).

[phish]

Fully collapsed, the PRS is roughly the same length of an A1 buttstock, so, the PRS can't be considered a collapsible stock. Adjustable, yes, but not collapsable.

very nicely made IMHO, :D

[CALI-gula]

I'll take this style of board (vBulletin) over the old style of board like Biggerhammer uses or the one you posted in your example ANY day. I got sick of the "anonymous" AND TROLL posts on Biggerhammer, as well as it's hindered features. http://www.biggerhammer.net/ . Biggerhammer is still good for information, but it takes hours to find the meaningful posts, even with its search function, and there is no breakdown by topic in any degree; one posts for some racist crap will be right next to another post for reloading, next to another post which seems to occur 1 out of 4 posts, of someone bashing a certain rifle manufacturer (albeit to validate their purchase choice).

And as "kantstudien" mentioned, but I will take it one step further for Mr. Glen Avon, BILL LOCKYER OF THE CALIFORNIA DOJ SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED BENELLI STOP SENDING THE M1014 WITH THE PSEUDO-COLLAPSIBLE STOCK TO CALIFORNIA ON THE SPECIALTY ISSUE 1 OF 2500 MARINE TYPE, US FLAG ROLL-MARKED M4 SHOTGUNS, THOUGH THEY SPECIFICALLY NOTED IT WAS NOT A COLLAPSING STOCK NOR ILLEGAL because the shoulder butt portion could be cock-eyed at an angle to the left, in an unusable nagle, and then collapsed forward a whole 3/4ths of an inch!! So for a short while, Benelli stopped sending them to California altogether, and they were not going to go back and put regular butt-stocks on those first 2500 models. So a good number of those models stopped being sent to California immediately, places like Turners sent their stock BACK to Benelli, making the M1014 that much harder to get.

I guess I was lucky, as I already had obtained 2 within the first 300 made direct from Benelli. OH, BUT BILL LOCKYER AND THE DOJ STAFF ARE SUCH GOOD FRIENDS OF OURS!:rolleyes:

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[kenc9]

I'll take this style of board (vBulletin) over the old style of board like Biggerhammer uses or the one you posted in your example ANY day. I got sick of the "anonymous" AND TROLL posts on Biggerhammer, as well as it's hindered features. http://www.biggerhammer.net/ . Biggerhammer is still good for information, but it takes hours to find the meaningful posts, even with its search function, and there is no breakdown by topic in any degree; one posts for some racist crap will be right next to another post for reloading, next to another post which seems to occur 1 out of 4 posts, of someone bashing a certain rifle manufacturer (albeit to validate their purchase choice).

And as "kantstudien" mentioned, but I will take it one step further for Mr. Glen Avon, BILL LOCKYER OF THE CALIFORNIA DOJ SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED BENELLI STOP SENDING THE M1014 WITH THE PSEUDO-COLLAPSIBLE STOCK TO CALIFORNIA ON THE SPECIALTY ISSUE 1 OF 2500 MARINE TYPE, US FLAG ROLL-MARKED M4 SHOTGUNS, THOUGH THEY SPECIFICALLY NOTED IT WAS NOT A COLLAPSING STOCK NOR ILLEGAL because the shoulder butt portion could be cock-eyed at an angle to the left, in an unusable nagle, and then collapsed forward a whole 3/4ths of an inch!! So for a short while, Benelli stopped sending them to California altogether, and they were not going to go back and put regular butt-stocks on those first 2500 models. So a good number of those models stopped being sent to California immediately, places like Turners sent their stock BACK to Benelli, making the M1014 that much harder to get.

I guess I was lucky, as I already had obtained 2 within the first 300 made direct from Benelli. OH, BUT BILL LOCKYER AND THE DOJ STAFF ARE SUCH GOOD FRIENDS OF OURS!:rolleyes:

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Hey Cali, when I first read what your quoting I looked for the punch line or something. If the DOJ acted like a neutral party just enforcing the law as mandated it would be another story BUT when they are independent and do and say what they do, anyone with the mindset that these guys are here to only help us is a fairly misguided soul.

-ken

[glen avon]

and you never thought that DOJ was doing the right thing by avoiding future prosecution or misunderstanding? where was their malevolent intent? did DOJ say that no pseudo-collapsible stock could be imported? or just shoddily-made ones?

[CALI-gula]

Hey Cali, when I first read what your quoting I looked for the punch line or something. If the DOJ acted like a neutral party just enforcing the law as mandated it would be another story BUT when they are independent and do and say what they do, anyone with the mindset that these guys are here to only help us is a fairly misguided soul.

-ken


I don't get what you mean; I don't think I gave the impression I was in favor of anything the DOJ does! :confused: Sarcasm was HUGELY implied, even with the :rolleyes:

[TheMan]

and you never thought that DOJ was doing the right thing by avoiding future prosecution or misunderstanding? where was their malevolent intent? did DOJ say that no pseudo-collapsible stock could be imported? or just shoddily-made ones?

So the DOJ is going to start banning shoddily made goods now too? Wow they sure do love us. You are right Glen, the DOJ always has nothing but our best interest in mind when they ban these things. I hope they ban pointy objects soon. I occasionally have an urge to run with them :( .

[kenc9]

I don't get what you mean; I don't think I gave the impression I was in favor of anything the DOJ does! :confused: Sarcasm was HUGELY implied, even with the :rolleyes:

I was referring to the guy you were quoting and how nice these fellows are.
I agree with your post 100%...The DOJ was only helping us out from future legal issues from a little play in the Butt...Sure they were...RIGHT! :cool:

-ken

[CALI-gula]

and you never thought that DOJ was doing the right thing by avoiding future prosecution or misunderstanding? where was their malevolent intent? did DOJ say that no pseudo-collapsible stock could be imported? or just shoddily-made ones?

No, they specifically stated it was NOT illegal, and there would be NO prosecution for those that were already sold in CA, against Benelli or their buyers, and those owning them already would not be prosecuted.

Yet the DOJ needs to coerce Benelli in to stopping them from being sent to CA? THAT is their malevolent intent; working to ban firearms from CA by coercion, no different than their recent coercion against LEGAL manufacturers of LEGAL Off-list lowers, heckling them with gestapo tactics to NOT ship to California though stating if they did, it would not be illegal. THAT is malevolent intent - an intent to block firearms in CA from law-abiding citizens in any way possible, even if those firearms are NOT against the law to buy or own.

And I am not sure where you got the idea those particular stocks were shoddily made; maybe silly yes, as they are not truly collapsible, but they are VERY well made for what they were - much better than most of the AR or other shotgun collapsible/non-collapsible stocks on the market, that many tout as wonderful.

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[glen avon]

And I am not sure where you got the idea those particular stocks were shoddily made....

from your post. maybe they were not shoddily made. I am not familiar with the type at all. do all collapsible stocks of similar design do the same? if the stocks were not able to be twisted and collapsed, what do you think would have happened?

this does not make sense. I am not familiar with the facts of this, but I find it difficult to believe DOJ would complain about stocks that can collapse if they were not collapsible stocks.

if you could direct me to more info on this situation, I would appreciate it.

[CALI-gula]

...if you could direct me to more info on this situation, I would appreciate it.

OK, because it really was a frustrating issue; Benelli used to have a PDF of the letter on their website, but I noticed this morning, the Benelli-USA website was hacked (by someone claiming to be a Turkish nationalist terrorist or some other idiotic thing; now the site is down. I think I saved a copy of the letter in my files just for posterity as it regards my M1014s.

Also, I can take some pics of my 2 next to each other to show the trivial controversy the DOJ made over it. I'll show one locked in its place, and the other in its "collapsed but not collasped legal anyway" mode.

I'll have to do it later today though: right now I am leaving to go pick up my Robinson Armament M96 I bought from Calguns.net member "10th Amenment" just 10 days ago!! My 10 day wait is up in 20 miunutes!! :D :D

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[odysseus]

vBulletin is not vastly old danky board software. Don't blame the board for what was a obvious mistake. It's all good, everyone does or has at some point...

[James R.]

vBulletin is not vastly old danky board software. Don't blame the board for what was a obvious mistake. It's all good, everyone does or has at some point...

It was a mistake, I'll wear the egg with pride ;-)

The rest of this is directed towards the forum in general...

However while I never suggested vBulletin was danky, crusty, *****ty or whatever adjective you please I do prefer the format that I linked to. Not to sound a snob, but it'll come across that way no matter how lightly I put it. That format which someone here asserted wouldn't work for high traffic sites is used in places that get orders of magnitude more hits in a day than this place probably gets in a month. It's an excellent forum format in terms of readability and from what I hear it's pretty good server side as well.

I'll have to fiddle with the user preferences and see if I can't get this more into a format that's to my liking. What I like about the other format is it's much more, "conversational". That is, it's easy to see to whom and to what someone is talking because responses fall under the sub-thread. Here the entire forum is one monolithic linear strip. All you know is that stuff at the bottom is older than stuff at the top. It's not easy to see who is addressing whom unless they resort to quoting them. Otherwise it looks like you're just broadcasting to everyone and the person being addressed if not addressed by name must simply divine this information from context. In the other format, threads which are of particular interest to you you simply track. They will fall off the end to a back page unless you track them. So old threads never pop back to the front *unless* it's a thread you were tracking on. When you grow tired of the thread you can simply un-track it with a click, no need for thread subscriptions that involve getting emails and the like.

I can see pro's and con's to each format. I don't think it's fair to shred on me for expressing an opinion though. You'll never know the grass is greener if you never bother to look over the fence ;-)

As to the relevance of the Magpul PRS Vs listing. If you use the PRS on a gripless rifle the net result would still be an illegal rifle right? Hence my question as to whether or not the PRS is really considered a collapsing stock. Seems like a dangerous place to go, one mans adjustable is another DA's collapsible.

I appreciate the forum...don't get me wrong, just not fond of the format. I suppose I'm set in my ways after years and years of using the other forum. FWIW it's not an old widely available forum format IIRC, it was authored in large part by some of the staff over at AW, they may offer it thru GNU now, I'm not sure. It's called KAWF...there are forums that look like it, but none seem to actually work as well in practice.

Regards,

James R.

[BamBam-31]

Have to agree with the others w/ regards to the forum format.

www.thehighroad.org and www.thefiringline.com are two rather large forums (fora?) that use the same format and get a ton of traffic. Both are very easy to read and navigate (as it is here).

That Audi forum format is a nightmare! :eek: It has the look of much smaller forums I've visited (like those discussing the pros and cons of various goaltending equipment).

Edited to ask: So is a Steyr Scout collapsible? Could someone please clarify the legal definitions of adjustable vs. collapsible stocks? Thanks.

[James R.]

Have to agree with the others w/ regards to the forum format.

www.thehighroad.org and www.thefiringline.com are two rather large forums (fora?) that use the same format and get a ton of traffic. Both are very easy to read and navigate (as it is here).

That Audi forum format is a nightmare! :eek: It has the look of much smaller forums I've visited (like those discussing the pros and cons of various goaltending equipment).

Edited to ask: So is a Steyr Scout collapsible? Could someone please clarify the legal definitions of adjustable vs. collapsible stocks? Thanks.

Yeah I know they're popular. Suffice it to say the traffic Audiworld gets is vastly more than this place. To put things into perspective...I went in there and clicked a random user AID in the B7 forum. This guys AID number is 107112, mine is like <250 these are issued in a linear sequence starting at 1. So there are in excess of 107,000 registered users. I dropped into the B5 forum which is for the A4's that stopped being built in 2001.5 IIRC and the page is at...

Total Threads: 309320, Total Pages: 6187

That's 309,320 unique main threads...and beneath that are anywhere from none to hundreds of sub-threads. There are literally MILLIONS of threads across all of the forums. It's an exteremely robust and mature interface which is very easy to follow. You can also choose not to expand the threads at which point it looks a lot like this place does, until you click the thread. At which point all the subthreads become visible. Once you get that that IMHO it's head and shoulders above this because you can see WHO is talking to WHOM simply by looking at where things fall in the subthreads. Here, to talk to someone in specific you have to quote them or call them out by name. In the other forum you just reply to their thread or subthread and it's implicit that you're commenting or replying specifically to whatever is above your reply.

Anyhow, not worth arguing. This forum is the way it is, I'll learn to deal with it. It is however IMHO not at all conducive to gathering information quickly. You have to scroll thru tons of threads, skip over stuff you think is rubbish. In the other one you can visually see tangents form and lines of discussion which form on those while ignoring other aspects of a thread or subthread.

Regards,

James R.

[Librarian]

I've been spoiled by a *VASTLY* superior board format which is so much easier to read, follow and track threads. I know, new guys shouldn't rock the boat...but honestly, this forum format leaves a lot to be desired.

Here's an example of a good IMHO forum format...I've been on this forum and forums based on it (KAWF) for the better part of 8+ years...

Example (http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/)

Ah, a variant of the USENET tree-form! I don't really like the way Google has implemented this, but here's a somewhat similar example: rec.guns thread (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.guns/browse_frm/thread/7a13e2e0623de167/4eac24bca52b419b?tvc=1&hl=en#4eac24bca52b419b) (might have to click on the 'view as tree' link) Slashdot (http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/06/05/23/2146232.shtml) also uses a similar layout (scroll down to see).

All in what you're used to, I guess.

[ghostrider4evr]

That format is such a pain in the *** to use. Don't most forums use vbb these days? Your "superior" format is unfortunately going the way of the dinosaur.

[James R.]

That format is such a pain in the *** to use. Don't most forums use vbb these days? Your "superior" format is unfortunately going the way of the dinosaur.

Explain to me why it's a pain in the ***? I've articulated plenty of reasons for why that forum layout is better. It may not *LOOK* as cool as this, but when it comes to actually working as a medium of exchange it literally blows VBB out of the water.

For instance, this very reply. In order to let you know that I was talking to YOU, I was forced to quote you. Will you even find this post? If you do you'll have found it by scrolling thru the entire thread linearly and having happened to spot something you wrote I might get a reply...

In the other layout we have...

Top Level Thread
+----I get bashed for knocking vbb
+----Bashed some more
+----Random unrelated discussion
+----You come into the fray
+----Someone agrees with you
+----You give them a high 5
+----I reply to you with this post
+----You'll reply back

Mind you this is tongue in cheek, but this layout makes sense. You can CLEARLY tell who is talking to who and what the hell specifically they're commenting on w/o having to read the entire thread to figure out what's going on.

There's a reason most file systems are built on this concept of top level folders, sub folders etc. It's called a logical hierarchy...in vbb there appears to be no more hierarchy than the individual forum topics themselves and the base level threads, there is no sub thread support.

The only thing this really has going for it is the private message thing and even that can be handled with this little thing called email

Call me old fashioned, but I like getting at information quickly and w/o having to wade thru tons of extraneous posts on a thread to follow a conversation / argument with a person on that thread. Not to mention people tend to go off on tangents which are a lot easier to follow with a tree based format.

To each his own, each has it's merits, but calling vbb better esp on the basis that it's popular (and I know you didn't say this, just saying is all) is a bit silly. It might be popular cause an untrained spider monkey can install and configure it, or because it's cheap or because it has low server load or myriad other reasons.

Regards,

James R.

[xenophobe]

You can have threaded veiw here too. Go to the top right, select "Display Mode" and select thread mode.


Total Threads: 309320, Total Pages: 6187

Another popular board that uses vbulletin:

http://www.howardforums.com
Threads: 877,592, Posts: 6,991,784, Members: 446,233

[James R.]

I have to agree I hate that style that you think is superior. It seems awfully confusing and quite the waste of time if you ask me. I can never tell what is referring to what. Let alone that still wouldn't prevent you from not noticing an old date would it? And how would news of Mr. Chinn saying two more weeks change anything having to do with a Magpul PRS? :confused:

Are you kidding me? Not to beat a dead horse...but in that format it's painfully obvious what references what...

I like Dogs, Do you Like Dogs?
Yes I like dogs
I agree, dogs rule, cats drool, how many dogs do you own?
I have 10 dogs and you?
I hate dogs I'm more a cat person
I'm also a cat person
Cool what kind of cats do you have and how many?

In this forum format you get...

I like Dogs, Do you Like Dogs?
Yes I like dogs
I agree, dogs rule, cats drool, how many dogs do you own?
I have 10 dogs and you?
I hate dogs I'm more a cat person
I'm also a cat person
Cool what kind of cats do you have and how many?

In the linear layout we have all sorts of divergent ideas, some people like dogs, others prefer cats. The thread was supposed to be about dogs, but invariably people go off on tangents. But because the forum maintains a hirearchy it's easy to see the tangents and subthreads and you can tell who is talking to who by their order in the tree. How can that be harder to follow than a forum that reads like a freakin strip chart?

*sigh* Sorry guys, I'm an engineer, my brain likes stuff that is truly organized. If this forum layout is easier to read and follow I dunno what to say about computer file systems, they must send all of you for a loop ;-)

For Instance ;-)

My Pictures
Family
Events
Christmas
New Years
Nature Pics
Bryce Canyon
Joshua Tree
Pr0n
White Chix
Asian Chix
Latina Chix

;-) C'mon people work with me here...one system is ORGANIZED the other is just everything crammed into one folder where you can't find squat w/o wading thru all the other chaff.

Regards,

James R.

[James R.]

You can have threaded veiw here too. Go to the top right, select "Display Mode" and select thread mode.




Another popular board that uses vbulletin:

http://www.howardforums.com
Threads: 877,592, Posts: 6,991,784, Members: 446,233

Yeah AW is on par with Howardforums in size if you add all the forums together.

Thanks for the pointers on the thread mode, is there any way to have that pane taller so that it takes up more of the space vertically? Currently it's 1/2 or less of the screen which makes sifting thru a lot of threads more difficult than would be the case under KAWF.

Regards,

James R.

[James R.]

You can have threaded veiw here too. Go to the top right, select "Display Mode" and select thread mode.




Another popular board that uses vbulletin:

http://www.howardforums.com
Threads: 877,592, Posts: 6,991,784, Members: 446,233

Actually since you seem to know a bit about this forum layout, or are at least more familiar with it than I. How does the thread hirearchy work? For instance, if I come in here and see something mid thread I want to comment on and there are say 20 replies on each side of that item. I go to the end of the board to post 41 (20+1+20) and my new comment will be item #42, but how will the system know to place my reply under the item which is in the middle of the forum? Under KAWF it knows cause you click the post, and fill in the reply box and reply. Here what do you do? If you quote someone it then infers an associative property between your reply and the post since you quoted that post?

Regards,

James R.

[Wumpscut223]

So whats the FTP addy for your pr0n folder? ;)

[xenophobe]

The board software knows which post you hit "reply to" on and in threaded mode, it posts your response to the thread that you are participating in. If you view thread mode, you will see this happen. Since most people do not use thread mode, the functionality of it is a bit limited in how people may respond to someone in a sidebranch of a main thread....

Change your display mode to threaded view and post a few different replies... you can always delete them if you wish, but you'll get to see how threaded mode works, much like the other board you posted, except topics that are older are left behind and topics that are newer are in front.

Subscription to threads always helps.

Also, note the button on the User CP bar above that says "New Posts". Clicking on that brings up EVERY thread on the forum that someone has posted in since your last visit. Using this feature makes sorting through larger forums a bit easier.

[chickenfried]

Some of the boards I go to have this format and it drives me crazy. The problem is I have to scroll past and view all the jibber jabber
Top Level Thread
+----I get bashed for knocking vbb
+----Bashed some more
+----Random unrelated discussion
+----You come into the fray
+----Someone agrees with you
+----You give them a high 5
+----I reply to you with this post
+----You'll reply back

Before I can get to the topics I'd actually be interested in.

[James R.]

Some of the boards I go to have this format and it drives me crazy. The problem is I have to scroll past and view all the jibber jabber
Before I can get to the topics I'd actually be interested in.

The solution to this problem in KAWF is simply to set in your prefs to keep threads collapsed until you expand them by clicking on the, "base" or "root" thread.

Regards,

James R.

[James R.]

So whats the FTP addy for your pr0n folder? ;)

pr0n WTF are you talking about? I don't see no pr0n ;)

Regards,

James R.

[1911_Mitch]

Uh, guys.... this is a gun forum.

For you techies that like to take up thread space and have us all wade through each and every post to find what you think about what someone else thinks with no logical order to the entire process except a linear model.....

maybe this isn't the forum for you. Do an internet search or something.:D

[1911_Mitch]

Oh yeah,

where's that pOrn folder?:D