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tanda10506
09-22-2010, 9:52 AM
Is there any way to get a .50BMG bolt action rifle in california? I don't think there is but I'm hoping maybe there are some loopholes?

jtmkinsd
09-22-2010, 9:53 AM
Is there any way to get a .50BMG bolt action rifle in california? I don't think there is but I'm hoping maybe there are some loopholes?

Dream on :(

SJgunguy24
09-22-2010, 9:55 AM
Is there any way to get a .50BMG bolt action rifle in california? I don't think there is but I'm hoping maybe there are some loopholes?

Yes, you must live in another state and travel here for a sanctioned competition, but a resident cannot import a 50BMG chambered anything.

Droppin Deuces
09-22-2010, 10:18 AM
Didn't someone mention a couple of weeks ago that there is a .50 upper being sold for AR lowers, and that it would be perfectly legal in California?

Droppin Deuces
09-22-2010, 10:20 AM
Indeed:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/08/30/tactilite-t2-magazine-fed-50-bmg-upper-receiver-for-ar-15s/

EDIT: Though I don't know if that makes it legal here.

rromeo
09-22-2010, 10:21 AM
It is legal to own the upper, but not legal to attach to your lower. There is also the 50 Beowulf and 510 DTC that are.

tacticalcity
09-22-2010, 10:22 AM
The solution is .50DTC, a slightly different length round. There are also lots of other alternatives that are California legal and balistically similar. Just takes some research on your part.

wash
09-22-2010, 10:24 AM
You can get .50 BMG AR uppers and complete semi-automatic M2's in California, no problem.

Installing that .50 BMG AR upper on to a rifle lower is creating an illegal "assault weapon".

There may be a work around that is legal but the easy way is to buy that AR upper or a complete rifle in .510 DTC which uses .50 BMG reloading components and has equivalent performance.

wash
09-22-2010, 10:25 AM
.50 Beowulf isn't a .50 BMG alternative...

SJgunguy24
09-22-2010, 10:27 AM
.50 Beowulf isn't a .50 BMG alternative...

Yeah, not EVEN close.

CSACANNONEER
09-22-2010, 10:30 AM
Didn't someone mention a couple of weeks ago that there is a .50 upper being sold for AR lowers, and that it would be perfectly legal in California?

There are about 6 different 50BMG upper manufactures and most have been around for +10 years. I think Bohica is the only exception to that. They are perfectly legal to put on a registered AW or registered 50BMG RIFLE lower.

I have shot 5 1/2", 5 shot groups at 1000 yards with my ALS upper and have the match results to prove it (I get tired of people making claims they can't back up). Most uppers will give you a precision of +1moa at best (usually +2moa) but, ALS and Spider Firearm's Ferret50 can consistantly shoot sub moa groups.

As far as you importing a 50BMG rifle into Ca, good luck. I only know of one civillian who has been able to legally do this. He had to jump through a lot of hoops even though he needed it for a DoD contract.

Unless you have a RAW lower, you will be better off getting a .50 cal rifle chambered in .510 DTC than trying to get a 50BMG into California. The DTC round has the same case capacity and takes the same components as a BMG. In fact, it has been argued that the DTC is a slightly more efficient cartridge design. I do know that a friend of mine has shot 4 1/2" groups with his ALS upper in DTC at a couple of matches.

tanda10506
09-22-2010, 11:43 AM
I'll look into the DTC, if the ballistics are similar then that should be good enough for me. I'm somewhat new to the AR platform still so I got to ask, how would the .50BMG work by attatching the upper chambered for that to a regular .223 lower?

CSACANNONEER
09-22-2010, 11:51 AM
All the lower does is hold the FCG and stock in place. Of course, with a .22lr, 5.56 or any other semi auto upper, the upper takes a lot more abuse than it gets from a bolt action 50BMG/DTC upper.

rromeo
09-22-2010, 12:12 PM
.50 Beowulf isn't a .50 BMG alternative...
I didn't mention it as an alternative, just as a possible point of confusion for droppin dueces. Maybe he had heard about Beowulf rifles being legal, and didn't know there was a difference.

tanda10506
09-22-2010, 12:34 PM
All the lower does is hold the FCG and stock in place. Of course, with a .22lr, 5.56 or any other semi auto upper, the upper takes a lot more abuse than it gets from a bolt action 50BMG/DTC upper.

What about magazines?

tomd1584
09-22-2010, 1:09 PM
What about magazines?

single shot, no magazines involved.

CSACANNONEER
09-22-2010, 1:15 PM
What about magazines?

Why would you need a magazine? Holes in the receivers, like mag wells, detract from the precision of the rifle. Yea, before I started shooting 50s, I wanted a mag fed gun. However, now that I have some experience with them, I don't see the purpose of a mag fed 50. Of course, a belt fed 50 would be nice though.

tanda10506
09-22-2010, 1:56 PM
The AR 15's and 10's are real accurate and they are magazine fed. But I don't know much about .50's at all. I'm getting good at distance shooting with a target rifle .308 that I have and I was just wondering if I could step up to the .50 for real long distances here in California. Is anybody here legally using one of these uppers here?

ExtremeX
09-22-2010, 2:10 PM
If you want to stay legit without any drama... I really like the Barret .416 round.

Ya, not the same as a 50, but I love that cartridge.

The 50 cal uppers for the AR is pretty cool tho.

wash
09-22-2010, 2:18 PM
The .50 BMG is far too large to fit through the mag well of an AR-15 or AR-10.

Someone makes a mag fed .50 that's like a streched AR but not many people would take a follow up shot with a .50.

Shooting long range like 500 to 1,000 yards is always a slow fire event, single shot guns are fine.

One company make a mag fed upper for the AR-15 but it's magazine hangs out the left side of the receiver and makes the gun difficult to hold up.

If you want a long range rifle and you're not going to be shooting fast, there is no point.

CSACANNONEER
09-22-2010, 2:40 PM
The AR 15's and 10's are real accurate and they are magazine fed. But I don't know much about .50's at all. I'm getting good at distance shooting with a target rifle .308 that I have and I was just wondering if I could step up to the .50 for real long distances here in California. Is anybody here legally using one of these uppers here?

Accuracy and precission are two different things. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/accuracy_vs_precision_556.jpgSure mag fed rifles can be both accurate and precise but, they would be even better if the actions where stiffer. This is why BR shooters don't build mag fed guns.

If you want to stay legit without any drama... I really like the Barret .416 round.

Ya, not the same as a 50, but I love that cartridge.

The 50 cal uppers for the AR is pretty cool tho.

The .416 is a completely different animal. It is a propriatary round with very limited load data and components available for it. It is very over bored and will probably burn out barrels extremely fast.


Shooting long range like 500 to 1,000 yards is always a slow fire event, single shot guns are fine.



Really? I watch the best precission shooters shoot their shots quickly in an attempt to keep all 5 record rounds going through the air in the same conditions. I once watched a world record 2.608" 5 shot group shot in under 38 seconds from a shell holder BAT action. Given the flight time of over 1.5 seconds per shot and the time it took the target puller to pull and mark the target between shots, It would be hard to fire any faster. I've done similar in matches. Well, I try to pick a condition and get all 5 shots off as fast as I can. By the time my puller puts the target back in the air, I'm already reloaded, back in battery and ready to touch of the next round. Just ask 50BMGBOB's son how fast I shoot my single shot rifles. He's been my puller the last few matches. Of course, it's not about speed shooting, I'm just doing everything as fast as I can to keep conditions the same. It seems to be working for me.

wash
09-22-2010, 3:18 PM
Well, I suck as a target puller and have to dig through the bucket to find the right spotter and my friends aren't much better, that slows things down.

I was not too disapointed by the slow pace as a shooter.

But I'm not going to win any matches...

Stockton
09-22-2010, 3:24 PM
Would 338 be an alternative?

tanda10506
09-22-2010, 3:46 PM
Would 338 be an alternative?

If your asking me, no. I have friends with the .338 and it's a great round, but I just like the size and power of the .50. I've looked into the .416 and .510 DTC, but there's no ammo for them. The .416 is $7 a round at least and the .510 I just can't find at all. Still would like to know if anyone is legally using the .50 upper on an AR?

JRent54
09-22-2010, 3:53 PM
IMO...if you have the money for a .50 bmg and your serious about long range shooting (not just to have one to brag about) the 338 Lapua or even better the .416 Barrett are excellent choices...but what the hell do I know

Josh3239
09-22-2010, 4:22 PM
I've looked into the .416 and .510 DTC, but there's no ammo for them. The .416 is $7 a round at least and the .510 I just can't find at all.

.510 DTC can be reloaded and it is also sold by user "MrKubota". MrKubota is a federally lisenced ammunition manufacturer.

Still would like to know if anyone is legally using the .50 upper on an AR?

That question has been answered. The .50 BMG catridge on an AR lower is quite common in states that don't have a .50 BMG ban and those in California with lowers registered as either AWs or .50 BMGs have .50 BMG uppers. As CSA has posted, he uses a registered .50 BMG in competition shoots. Several members here, myself included, run a non-BMG .50 caliber AR upper.

wash
09-22-2010, 4:25 PM
.510 DTC uses resized, trimmed and fire formed .50 BMG brass with standard .50 BMG bullets, powders and primers.

If you reload (and you should), it's not that hard to do.

Lots of people use .50 BMG uppers on AR's in California.

They are registered though...

faterikcartman
09-22-2010, 4:33 PM
I went through the expense and trouble of buying and registering a couple of .50 BMG platforms. Looking back, I guess I'm glad I did it just to thumb my nose at "the man", but I really don't have any interest in using them for serious long range shooting. If I were in your position today, and the .50 BMG ship had sailed, I would be getting a .375 or .408 Cheytac and not look back. YMMV.

30rdMag
09-22-2010, 8:38 PM
I love my BA50, I picked it up few weeks ago. It helps I live in Arizona more months of the year then California. Plus I store all my toys in Arizona. Tooo much B.S. here in California. I'd be the guy on the news if the CHP stopped me on 5 coming home.... Terrorist found driving north on 5 with a trunk full of black rifles and .50 cal guns.
.... No thanks..

But anyways.... I love my .50 If you want the real deal.. Time to move. I would also recomend joining the www.fcsa.org I just did. There is a lot of info on that site that can help also. After you spring for it remeber the after rifle costs. Scope, cleaning kit, ammo.. Its a different animal then the AR. Also ear protection. My AR kicks harder, But the .50 shakes the hell out of everything.

You will not be wanting to fire the .50 to many times in a row. Your internal organs will hate you.

30rdMag
09-22-2010, 8:40 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs216.ash2/47904_152191471467091_100000287184787_395412_91697 3_n.jpg

Here is the photo of two of my toys side by side.

I did look into a upper for the AR, But I dont think and its my person thoughts the AR lower is built for or can take that abuse over time. And really, Having your own carry case with a full .50 is just plain cool. And its fun to have something to show off to your close friends when you wheel it around to their feet.. lol

joelukehart
09-22-2010, 9:37 PM
If you own a registered AW ar15 you can put a .50 BMG upper on it. If not you are SOL. I've got a registered ar but have no plans to go .50.

CSACANNONEER
09-23-2010, 8:54 AM
If your asking me, no. I have friends with the .338 and it's a great round, but I just like the size and power of the .50. I've looked into the .416 and .510 DTC, but there's no ammo for them. The .416 is $7 a round at least and the .510 I just can't find at all. Still would like to know if anyone is legally using the .50 upper on an AR?

If you are going to buy a 50, you will either just keep it in the safe and brag that you own one or, you will shoot it and quickly find that you will want to reload for it. It is not hard to make DTC ammo from BMG brass. Anyway, if you need a source for DTC ammo, we've already given you a few 06FFLs who specialize in it and are members here. Try mrkobota and triple (something or other) ammo. The cost of DTC ammo is about the same as BMG ammo.

Again, myself and many others use both 50BMG and 510DTC uppers legally in California. There is no "substitute" for 50BMG/DTC. Anything else is going to be a one of wildcat or a lot smaller round. But, if you want a decent substitute for shooting 50s at 1000 yards, try .22lr at 100 yards or better.