Spoke to My Sheriff, DA, Deputy DA Investigator Today

[Ten Rounder]

Spoke to My Sheriff, DA, Deputy DA Investigator Today, and all three returned my calls. My DA is clueless about AW’s and relies on DOJ for testing and expertise and goes by what they say for any court proceedings about AW's. The Investigator just gathers the facts for the DA. I got the felling that the DA sort of yawned about the whole OLL thing and would not push the issue unless it was force upon by arrest.

Now where the rubber meets the road is my sheriff, after a long discussion he wants me to come down and present to him and his WO/RO a more in depth OLL briefing. He didn’t seem to have any problem with OLL wants to see ALL of the DOJ Memos and other Doc that I can gather here. I have #3 & #4. Could someone show me where #1 & #2 are?

BTW my Sherrif if pro gun rights.

57 counties to go, it's your turn guys.

[TheMan]

Now where the rubber meets the road is my sheriff, after a long discussion he wants me to come down and present to him and his WO/RO a more in depth OLL briefing.
http://www.accesswave.ca/~thomson/ackbar.jpg

[Leadthrower]

Good for you man. My thoughts are that my Sheriff is ok with it too, but I will talk to him face to face before I put words in his mouth. I'm also glad to hear they let you plead your case before they shut down the conversation.

[mightymike]

What county was this in?

MM

[Ten Rounder]

What county was this in?

MM

Don't ASK and if you know KYFMS!

NEED DOJ MEMO 1 & 2

[BLFD1]

Don't ASK and if you know KYFMS!

NEED DOJ MEMO 1 & 2

Testy, testy...:confused:

[bonjing]

wow this guy wants info from people here, but when someone asks for info from him ?!?!?!?!:rolleyes:

[thisismyboomstick]

People should know better than to ask that. If you want I can tell you a few counties that it isn't.

[6172crew]

I thought "KYFMS" was a radio station:D .

What the hell did he say to him?

[24thMED]

Are you taking just documents or a rifle too?

Just a word to the wise. It is an old tactic for a law enforcement officer to ask you to come to the station to talk and then arrest you when you get there.

[gh429]

http://www.accesswave.ca/~thomson/ackbar.jpg

Great pic :)

That said, I'm sure the DA and the courts wouldn't be very interested in prosecuting a case where a law abiding citizen was "invited" by the sheriff to discuss the issues related to building a legally possessed firearm but then arrested because the sheriff is tricky tricky. hehe

EDIT: IMO worst thing that will happen is the sheriff will ask you to epoxy your magazine / remove your pistol grip and don't ever let him or his deputies catch you with a illegally built rifle...

[Mssr. Eleganté]

57 counties to go, it's your turn guys.

But if you don't tell what county you're in, one of us might end up calling your DA, Deputy DA investigator and Sheriff all over again. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[adamsreeftank]

It sounds good, but be careful not to incriminate yourself. There is a reason why we have a right to remain silent. I would absolutley NOT bring in a rifle to show them what you have built.

[kantstudien]

Hmmm... no response yet? Don't they have internet access in prison? :D

[blacklisted]

Good idea. What do you mean by #1 and #2?

I'll help you out.

Bring the Feb 1st memo + Recent memo

these
http://www.calguns.net/copmemo2.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

and finally, these

Ferranto commision "provisional" list
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/ASSAULT%20WEAPONS/Articles/commision%20changes.pdf

Ca DoJ letters:
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/ASSAULT%20WEAPONS/Articles/0120133539%20AW%20DOJ%20LTRS.pdf

And make sure you understand EVERYTHING. The first impression is crucial here!

[adamsreeftank]

Hmmm... no response yet? Don't they have internet access in prison? :D

That's funny.

[laabstract]

seems like he is just asking for trouble. What good can really come of this?

[Charliegone]

Do you guys think the San Bernardino DA, sheriff etc are cool with our offlisters?:D

[sintax]

Do you guys think the San Bernardino DA, sheriff etc are cool with our offlisters?:D

not too sure buy my ex's sister in law is an Asst. DA there. But I wont be asking =)

[kick Z tail out]

That said, I'm sure the DA and the courts wouldn't be very interested in prosecuting a case where a law abiding citizen was "invited" by the sheriff to discuss the issues related to building a legally possessed firearm but then arrested because the sheriff is tricky tricky. hehe
It's happened many times in the past.

"come down to the station and we'll talk"

*click click*




Either way, I'm not sure this was the brightest idea ever. Everyone keeps trying to call attention to whats going on, in desperation hoping they can circumvent the DOJ by instead being taken under the wing of a local law enforcement agency. Don't count on it.

[hoffmang]

I don't think anyone is trying to circumvent DOJ. If I know my local LEO and DA know the law the right way, and especially if I can get a letter from them, I'm pretty safe from prosecution.

I'd like that.

If we all can get a county by county split on what is or is not legal, we have some interesting actual proof about SB23 being infirm.

[artherd]

Frankly, if presented properly, this is a great idea. Most DAs have bigger things to worry about, and this could save some poor sap from being fed through the ringer simply by education alone.

I would speak only in GENERAL TERMS (say "people have been doing X" not "I did X") and absolutely do not bring a rifle.

The explination is relatively simple for those of us familiar with the statute and case law on the matter, but actually very complex for outsiders.

E-mail me if you are looking for forms, or for someone for your Sheriff to call (please don't waste my time with underlings or Deputies though, no offense to any Deputies out there.)

[kick Z tail out]

I don't think anyone is trying to circumvent DOJ. If I know my local LEO and DA know the law the right way, and especially if I can get a letter from them, I'm pretty safe from prosecution.

I'd like that.

If we all can get a county by county split on what is or is not legal, we have some interesting actual proof about SB23 being infirm.
Sure, it would be great, provided we get positive reactions from LE agencies.


It will only hurt us though, if the DOJ is suddenly getting calls from agencies all over the place asking them what the hell is going on with all these "assault weapons" being built in the thousands. If that were the reaction, it would bolster the DOJ even more in trying to screw us over with legislation or more stupid definitions.

If we're going to start calling more people to jump into this fight, lets just hope they're all going to be on our side. In a state like this, we sure as hell don't need any more opposition.

[jmlivingston]

Actually, might pressure them to list......

John

[kick Z tail out]

Actually, might pressure them to list......

John
Except for the fact that recent evidence suggests they're going to try a new technique that will stop them from coming in, and also stop us from being able to do anything with them.

[Ten Rounder]

Good idea. What do you mean by #1 and #2?

I'll help you out.

Bring the Feb 1st memo + Recent memo

these
http://www.calguns.net/copmemo2.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

and finally, these

Ferranto commision "provisional" list
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/ASSAULT%20WEAPONS/Articles/commision%20changes.pdf

Ca DoJ letters:
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/ASSAULT%20WEAPONS/Articles/0120133539%20AW%20DOJ%20LTRS.pdf

And make sure you understand EVERYTHING. The first impression is crucial here!

Thanks Blacklisted, exactly what I was looking for.

[Ten Rounder]

I don't think anyone is trying to circumvent DOJ. If I know my local LEO and DA know the law the right way, and especially if I can get a letter from them, I'm pretty safe from prosecution.

I'd like that.

If we all can get a county by county split on what is or is not legal, we have some interesting actual proof about SB23 being infirm.


This is excaclty what I am trying to do.

[PIRATE14]

Sure, it would be great, provided we get positive reactions from LE agencies.


It will only hurt us though, if the DOJ is suddenly getting calls from agencies all over the place asking them what the hell is going on with all these "assault weapons" being built in the thousands. If that were the reaction, it would bolster the DOJ even more in trying to screw us over with legislation or more stupid definitions.

If we're going to start calling more people to jump into this fight, lets just hope they're all going to be on our side. In a state like this, we sure as hell don't need any more opposition.

Well, DOJ will try for new legislation and they will make new regulations, they've already said that.....

Plus, it might be a good idea to see where they stand on one side or the other......keep people out of unnecessary trouble.

Hopefully this will set a precendent for more action so we don't have to worry about all 58 DAs.

Good luck...........:D

[Ten Rounder]

Frankly, if presented properly, this is a great idea. Most DAs have bigger things to worry about, and this could save some poor sap from being fed through the ringer simply by education alone.

I would speak only in GENERAL TERMS (say "people have been doing X" not "I did X") and absolutely do not bring a rifle.

The explination is relatively simple for those of us familiar with the statute and case law on the matter, but actually very complex for outsiders.

E-mail me if you are looking for forms, or for someone for your Sheriff to call (please don't waste my time with underlings or Deputies though, no offense to any Deputies out there.)

That's the impression that I got from the DA, he didn't want to know about AW's as he had other fish to fry. If the sheriff brought him something then he would look at it. If we educate the LEO's that we are resposable and law abiding gun owners we will have them on our side. My county in a play ground and the potential for a LEO encounter is possible. My sheriff had no idea that OLL's were even possible and wants to understand the whole picture. I get the feelling that he's a little pissed that Sacramento has not been doing thier job and now droped another rock in the road on strained county funds.

He also told me not to bring a rifle or a lower, this is and education meeting, and I think I will ask for some kind of "stay out of jail letter on my OLL rifles" while I'm there.

[Mr331]

Take in some pics with the various configurations and maybe show the laws that support that particular configuration. include the SRD and the various kits to lock the mag (and require a tool ).

I think this is a great idea. These are the people that will be holding you or letting you go, never mind the DOJ or the DA.

Good luck.

[Ten Rounder]

Sure, it would be great, provided we get positive reactions from LE agencies.


It will only hurt us though, if the DOJ is suddenly getting calls from agencies all over the place asking them what the hell is going on with all these "assault weapons" being built in the thousands. If that were the reaction, it would bolster the DOJ even more in trying to screw us over with legislation or more stupid definitions.

If we're going to start calling more people to jump into this fight, lets just hope they're all going to be on our side. In a state like this, we sure as hell don't need any more opposition.

My Sheriff is PRO Gun rights and issues CCW's he's on our side and he also has a job to do. i don't think he wants a test case in his county.

[Glasshat]

I'm glad the sheriff is getting the info from you rather than from a member of the Brady Bunch! Good job. Give us an update after your meeting.
Also, offer to be on call as the "County AW Verification Officer".

[artherd]

Good luck! E-mail me if you want a few phone numbers to give to your SO if he has any furthur questions.