Hello from Milwaukee

[mikehaas]

Good day, calguns members. Just a note from Milwaukee - it has been a fantastic NRA annual meeting!

NRA has prepared a powerful video highlighting the Katrina confiscations and unveiled it today. Unbelievable. How about a 200 lb. fully-suited armed cop violently taking down an crippled old woman in her home during forced confiscation? The video clearly shows the woman is holding a revolver, but the gun is unloaded, cyliner is open and she is holding the gun with her fingers around the top-strap (as if she has taken it out to surrender it). The woman is still recovering physically and mentally.

Home after home, uniformed, armor-vested LEOs with AR-15s loaded, drawing down on law-abiding N.O.citizens, while other neighborhoods are being terrorized by criminals. ON A MASS SCALE, AMERICANS WERE BEING ORDERED TO SURRENDER THEIR LEGALLY-OWNED FIREARMS AT GUNPOINT. Many violated N.O. survivors are interviewed - NRA DID THIS RIGHT.

The mind boggles: government had collapsed all over; no protection for the innocent, no safety net, no services. Yet they could get it together to disarm good Americans and leave them defenseless in that tragic situation.

This video will go a long way to counter anti-gun sheriffs and police chiefs who claim guns were never confiscated in N.O. and the leftist media that buried the story. NRA WILL TELL AMERICA THE TRUTH ABOUT DOOR-TO-DOOR GUN CONFISCATION IN NEW ORLEANS. A new line in the sand has appeared: The first time will be the last time!

First step: They have developed a pledge to be distributed to Mayors all across the US. It states they will never confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens. The response each mayor provides, from none to signing the plesge, will have great political overtones. For those that sign it, we have something to hold their feet to the fire with. For those that refuse, US NRA MEMBERS ARE GIVEN A POWEFUL WEAPON: ASK THEY "WHY NOT?" Imagine thousands of members asking this question of their mayor's office. What can they answer?

Next: move laws in state houses and federally, making it a CRIME to order the confiscation of weapons from law-abising citizens, with a mandatory prison sentence. No plea bargaining, no outs.

I'm sure all will have the opportunity to view the video soon - it was just unveiled today at the members' meeting. Powerful.

And speaking of hot - Wayne accompanied the video with a fiery speech and a new motto for NRA members everywhere. When the issue of gun control/confiscation comes up: REMEMBER NEW ORLEANS!

Mike

[shopkeep]

Good day, calguns members. Just a note from Milwaukee - it has been a fantastic NRA annual meeting!

NRA has prepared a powerful video highlighting the Katrina confiscations and unveiled it today. Unbelievable. How about a 200 lb. fully-suited armed cop violently taking down an crippled old woman in her home during forced confiscation? The video clearly shows the woman is holding a revolver, but the gun is unloaded, cyliner is open and she is holding the gun with her fingers around the top-strap (as if she has taken it out to surrender it). The woman is still recovering physically and mentally.

Home after home, uniformed, armor-vested LEOs with AR-15s loaded, drawing down on law-abiding N.O.citizens, while other neighborhoods are being terrorized by criminals. ON A MASS SCALE, AMERICANS WERE BEING ORDERED TO SURRENDER THEIR LEGALLY-OWNED FIREARMS AT GUNPOINT. Many violated N.O. survivors are interviewed - NRA DID THIS RIGHT.

The mind boggles: government had collapsed all over; no protection for the innocent, no safety net, no services. Yet they could get it together to disarm good Americans and leave them defenseless in that tragic situation.

This video will go a long way to counter anti-gun sheriffs and police chiefs who claim guns were never confiscated in N.O. and the leftist media that buried the story. NRA WILL TELL AMERICA THE TRUTH ABOUT DOOR-TO-DOOR GUN CONFISCATION IN NEW ORLEANS. A new line in the sand has appeared: The first time will be the last time!

First step: They have developed a pledge to be distributed to Mayors all across the US. It states they will never confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens. The response each mayor provides, from none to signing the plesge, will have great political overtones. For those that sign it, we have something to hold their feet to the fire with. For those that refuse, US NRA MEMBERS ARE GIVEN A POWEFUL WEAPON: ASK THEY "WHY NOT?" Imagine thousands of members asking this question of their mayor's office. What can they answer?

Next: move laws in state houses and federally, making it a CRIME to order the confiscation of weapons from law-abising citizens, with a mandatory prison sentence. No plea bargaining, no outs.

I'm sure all will have the opportunity to view the video soon - it was just unveiled today at the members' meeting. Powerful.

And speaking of hot - Wayne accompanied the video with a fiery speech and a new motto for NRA members everywhere. When the issue of gun control/confiscation comes up: REMEMBER NEW ORLEANS!

Mike


Well this is all fine and dandy but I hope you guys are going to step up the efforts in California soon. Guns will soon be illegal here so laws protecting their confiscation will be a moot point because it will be unlawful to have them in the first place. In addition to "Assault Weapons" and "unsafe handguns" new laws such as AB50 have added .50 BMG rifles and AB15 basically banned all new semi-auto handguns except the S&W M&P handgun.

The only 1911 you can purchase in California now is one that was on the list before 2006 and you better hope they pay renewal fees so it stays on the list. Soon the only way to aquire a semi-auto handgun will be from someone who brings one in from out of state and is crazy enough to PPT it. Meanwhile the DOJ is hellbent on operating outside the law to deprive us of our lawfully possessed property. We wrote them and asked them if it was lawful to import off-list lowers and they said "Yes" so we did it. Then they resort to submarine regulatory efforts.

I'm questioning my faith in the NRA daily.

[JHC]

The NRA is more than happy to collect dues here to lobby for gun rights in free America but has written California off as a lost cause so they wont waste much time to fight for us. Look how a small group of people on an internet forum have brought back the AR15 to CA when the NRA couldn't (or rather wouldn't). When my package came to renew I sent them a letter about how I feel about this instead of a check.

[CSkyhawk72]

Well this is all fine and dandy but I hope you guys are going to step up the efforts in California soon. Guns will soon be illegal here so laws protecting their confiscation will be a moot point because it will be unlawful to have them in the first place. In addition to "Assault Weapons" and "unsafe handguns" new laws such as AB50 have added .50 BMG rifles and AB15 basically banned all new semi-auto handguns except the S&W M&P handgun.

The only 1911 you can purchase in California now is one that was on the list before 2006 and you better hope they pay renewal fees so it stays on the list. Soon the only way to aquire a semi-auto handgun will be from someone who brings one in from out of state and is crazy enough to PPT it. Meanwhile the DOJ is hellbent on operating outside the law to deprive us of our lawfully possessed property. We wrote them and asked them if it was lawful to import off-list lowers and they said "Yes" so we did it. Then they resort to submarine regulatory efforts.

I'm questioning my faith in the NRA daily.


Well put, Shopkeep!

[6172crew]

I give up:rolleyes: , Lets all bash Mike anytime he shows up to let us know what the NRA is doing.

Then next month lets ask him What is the NRA doing and when we dont have anyone that volunteers to work with the NRA and post here we can all agree we were left by the NRA and they dont care about us on Calguns.

WTF over.

If you have a question for Mike why dont you start a new thread and ask him.

:rolleyes:

[TheMan]

I'm sure all will have the opportunity to view the video soon - it was just unveiled today at the members' meeting. Powerful.


Thanks for posting this. Please let us know when the video will be available.

[KenpoProfessor]

I give up:rolleyes: , Lets all bash Mike anytime he shows up to let us know what the NRA is doing.

Then next month lets ask him What is the NRA doing and when we dont have anyone that volunteers to work with the NRA and post here we can all agree we were left by the NRA and they dont care about us on Calguns.

WTF over.

If you have a question for Mike why dont you start a new thread and ask him.

:rolleyes:

I can only hope you're kidding. This guy Mike is a rep for the NRA correct? Then why wouldn't/shouldn't we be asking these questions to him on this thread?

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

[6172crew]

I can only hope you're kidding. This guy Mike is a rep for the NRA correct? Then why wouldn't/shouldn't we be asking these questions to him on this thread?

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

If you want to ask him a question then ask him on your own thread. What would you think if I followed you around and bashed you everytime you posted? What would you think? Would you ignore me? Would you keep coming back?

What if you started a thread about how you wenrt shooting your FAB10 and I hounded you about not calling your reps so we can get another law passed and told you that "Its great you had fun but why dont you get off your azz and make some calls and while your at it why dont you quit wasting my time and make sure you do what I want not what you want."

Mike is posting the skinny on what happened at the NRA meeting and I never heard anyone ask him if the PRK was brought up or not.

[6172crew]

Heres another way to go about it.:cool:


Mike, Thanks for taking the time to keep us posted. You guys were on FOX news and had a postive report from them.

Did California come up in the topics at all? Can you let us in on what they thought or didnt think about our Semi-auto issues here?

Thanks again for the update.

Chris

[mikehaas]

Thanks for the support. I've mentioned before that I am not an NRA spokesperson or employee. I'm a volunteer, a member like you guys. But I've been working closely with NRA top staff in CA almost every day for over a decade. Mine is the West Contra Costa Members' Council; we just had our 10 year anniversary in January. I'll include my full sig here.

Believe me, NRA has been deeply involved with the AW lower issue since it's beginning. I can identify with the desire to know all the details of what's happening, but the truth is the specific steps that have been taken and will be taken cannot be discussed publicly because it involves sensitive negotiations with CA DOJ. We don't want to weaken NRA's (OUR!) bargaining position, do we? Shining a public light at this time would not be good for our side. In fact, I wish I could relate what I know, because I think you would be very proud of the association and how it has operated soley in your interests. No matter what the issue, your NRA team tries to squeeze every drop of RKBA from it. And that's the truth.

I assure you, your California NRA is an exceptionally professional team. NRA resources are expansive - attorneys, consultants, etc and they have great experience. They understand every nuance of political action - when to work behind the scenes and when to sic the troops (us) on 'em.

We have to have faith in the team we have put together. NRA is getting things done. They need our support. Instead of ragging on NRA and complaining about the situation we gun-owners have allowed to develop in CA over the last 25 years due to our political inaction, I strongly recommend unity as a winning strategy.

Mike Haas
NRA Benefactor Member, volunteering as...
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[mikehaas]

...Did California come up in the topics at all?...

Yes. There were private meetings about California. These are the best kind because it's where things get decided and actions are planned.

CA is a tough nut to crack, guys. The best thing we can do to further RKBA in CA is to work together. If we don't, we simply move ourselves farther away the goal line. There are no magic pills, and it will take time, work and patience, but we can continue winning if we choose to. Recently we passed AB 2096 off the Assembly floor UNOPPOSED - a 75-to-0 vote. NRA is making real headway in Sacramento - let's help them accelerate the schedule.

Mike

[adamsreeftank]

...
Believe me, NRA has been deeply involved with the AW lower issue since it's beginning. I can identify with the desire to know all the details of what's happening, but the truth is the specific steps that have been taken and will be taken cannot be discussed publicly because it involves sensitive negotiations with CA DOJ. ...

Mike,

Thanks for the update about the meeting. I'm sure there are lots of people in the NRA trying to do good for us in CA.

I have to wonder, though, what the NRA could possibly be NEGOTIATING with the DOJ. I would expect the NRA to participate in a court case against the DOJ, but how are they in any position to negotiate anything. Maybe you can just shed a little light on your comments without giving away too many secrets.

[6172crew]

Mike,

Thanks for the update about the meeting. I'm sure there are lots of people in the NRA trying to do good for us in CA.

I have to wonder, though, what the NRA could possibly be NEGOTIATING with the DOJ. I would expect the NRA to participate in a court case against the DOJ, but how are they in any position to negotiate anything. Maybe you can just shed a little light on your comments without giving away too many secrets.

I cant speak for Mike or the NRA but Im going to guess its things like:

1. Mag catches like the Semi-auto sam and the Prince 50. The DOJ doesnt want to admit to us they are legal and the NRA could probably get somewhere on this.

2. There is no way the NRA is going to get caught up in banning weapons therefore you wont see them trying to get a list out of the DOJ, but what you will see is them tring to get us better intel on what we can or cant do.

3. Im sure they are doing the same thing we are and that is taking the memos apart word by word and its my guess the NRA is one of the reasons the Cat4 letter vanished.

4. The other things might be related to our Milpitas group buy.

These are guesses only but these are the types of things I can see them helping us out with.

[anotherted]

Well this is all fine and dandy but I hope you guys are going to step up the efforts in California soon.

My thoughts exactly...

[Omega13device]

Instead of ragging on NRA and complaining about the situation we gun-owners have allowed to develop in CA over the last 25 years due to our political inaction, I strongly recommend unity as a winning strategy.


I agree with Mike. I'm sure there's nothing the DOJ and other anti-RKBA groups would like more than to have rifts in the pro-RKBA community. We are all on the same team people!

Does that mean you should keep your trap shut if you're unhappy with the NRA? Heck no!! Let them know politely (i.e., not pooping on Mike's threads) how they can improve, but keep supporting them (and better yet, get involved) while you make your criticism known.

[mikehaas]

Without commenting too much on what has been suggested, I compliment the members of calguns.net for an excellent thread. Very impressive.

You are correct on several points, especially the Cat-4 letter disappearence. NRA has made it ABUNDANTLY clear to the highest levels of DOJ - they have no authority to establish a new category.

Mike

[mikehaas]

Mike,
I have to wonder, though, what the NRA could possibly be NEGOTIATING with the DOJ...

Y'know, you're right. That was a poor choice of words. It's not a negotiation. Allow me to rephrase - NRA is fully engaged with CADOJ on the AW lower issue, holding their feet to the fire.

Mike

[69Mach1]

Y'know, you're right. That was a poor choice of words. It's not a negotiation. Allow me to rephrase - NRA is fully engaged with CADOJ on the AW lower issue, holding their feet to the fire.

Mike

First of all thank you Mike for your updates and posts. This is the information that we like to hear. Is there any substantial information that can be posted? What is the DOJ saying back? Thanks again.
69Mach1

[shopkeep]

It's when I see Mike respond like this that I continue to pay my dues. Yes, I may often be jaded but how can you not be in this state?

[adamsreeftank]

Y'know, you're right. That was a poor choice of words. It's not a negotiation. Allow me to rephrase - NRA is fully engaged with CADOJ on the AW lower issue, holding their feet to the fire.

Mike

Thanks for the clarification.

[Talkin2u2]

Y'know, you're right. That was a poor choice of words. It's not a negotiation. Allow me to rephrase - NRA is fully engaged with CADOJ on the AW lower issue, holding their feet to the fire.

Mike

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date with the NRA activities regarding California. I'm sure most people on this forum are NRA supporters.

Ricki Stevens
Sacramento, California

[stator]

It's when I see Mike respond like this that I continue to pay my dues. Yes, I may often be jaded but how can you not be in this state?

Absolutely understandable.... I pay for performance of results, not talk, nor ineffective action which, unfortunately, is most of what we've received from the NRA here in California since '89. The results speak for themselves.... a slide into more anti-firearms, and anti-2nd laws since Deukmejian. It has been a route by the anti lobbyists since then.

So, instead of using NRA money to report from the sidelines of these secret negoiations, why don't you, Mike Haas, take this pledge?

"The AG will list OLL's as required by Robertti-Roos, or I will step down."

And, since you are a representative of the NRA, please have the NRA leadership in CA pledge to have shall-issue CCW laws by the end of this decade or step down.

This is fair and is how employment works... no results, no pay, terminations and layoffs to follow.

I am serious.

[stator]

double-tap

[the_quark]

So, instead of using NRA money to report from the sidelines of these secret negoiations, why don't you, Mike Haas, take this pledge?

"The AG will list OLL's as required by Robertti-Roos, or I will step down."

And, since you are a representative of the NRA, please have the NRA leadership in CA pledge to have shall-issue CCW laws by the end of this decade or step down.

This is fair and is how employment works... no results, no pay, terminations and layoffs to follow.


Dude, two points. First of all, I don't think getting OLLs listed per Robertti-Roos is on the NRA's agenda, and I don't think it *should* be. It may have the side-effect of getting you the detachable mag AR you want, but it will have the *primary* effect of making more rifles illegal to import into the state of CA, and I don't think that's in the NRA's mission statement. :rolleyes:

Second, and more importantly, HE'S AN UNPAID VOLUNTEER. "Pay for performance" usually starts with the "pay" part.

No one here who is not active in lobbying and legislation in this state has any right to slag on Haas. He works harder than most of us at protecting our rights, and gives us information.

Would I like to see more information from the NRA proper on what's going on in California? Yes, absolutely. Would I like to see more positive results on gun rights in this state? Yes, absolutely, again. But, Mike Haas is not the problem, here, and if people keep urinating on him when he gives us updates, it's hard for me to imagine he'll continue doing so.

[trinity9]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the observations-- I appreciate the updates yet wanted to comment regarding the confiscations in N.O.


Home after home, uniformed, armor-vested LEOs with AR-15s loaded, drawing down on law-abiding N.O.citizens, while other neighborhoods are being terrorized by criminals. ON A MASS SCALE, AMERICANS WERE BEING ORDERED TO SURRENDER THEIR LEGALLY-OWNED FIREARMS AT GUNPOINT. Many violated N.O. survivors are interviewed - NRA DID THIS RIGHT.
Mike

I would have to ask what took so long? The time to use the negative PR generated against the gun-grabbing was immediately after the event, not a year later. The NRA has the ability to react quickly with significant media; The general public has about a 40 second attention span-- the window has closed.


NRA WILL TELL AMERICA THE TRUTH ABOUT DOOR-TO-DOOR GUN CONFISCATION IN NEW ORLEANS. A new line in the sand has appeared: The first time will be the last time!
Mike

That kind of identifies how we feel in Kalifornia: What is a new line in the sand? What happened to the first line? I am reminded of the child that continually draws the line and the bully that continually crosses it.


Next: move laws in state houses and federally, making it a CRIME to order the confiscation of weapons from law-abising citizens, with a mandatory prison sentence. No plea bargaining, no outs.

Mike

No chance. Legislators never legislate themselves.



REMEMBER NEW ORLEANS!

Mike

New Orleans impacted me also, yet people are crying about confiscating weapons in New Orleans that those of us that live in California are prevented from even owning. They can't confiscate my AR-- they don't need to.

I understand that California might be a "tough nut to crack," yet think that maybe it is the only nut to crack. Let the rest of the Union follow, use California as the front.

Take care,
Thanks again for the updates...

trinity9
Sacramento

[tcrpe]

How about a 200 lb. fully-suited armed cop violently taking down an crippled old woman in her home during forced confiscation?

The out-of-control cop was California Highway Patrol.

It was a nice pearl handled revolver, probably an antique.

And he wanted it.

[6172crew]

With the news of the ammo crap passing even after we called, Im wordering if we even have a voice. I remember watching AR15.com during the ban and those dudes were on it, there were threads that you could cut and paste the letter of your choice and those guys were faxing everyday.

Id devote some time to getting a open registation for AWs, it would work best for everyone in this state.

Id also devote time to CCW reform but I think the NRA is already on it with the new one state fits all deal going.

Mike if they want to know what I want its "Open Registration!" on my XMAS list.;)

Like alot of folks in CA, I keep alot of my goodies in NV until we get a new AG.

[6172crew]

The out-of-control cop was California Highway Patrol.

It was a nice pearl handled revolver, probably an antique.

And he wanted it.

LOL, some mouth breather saw the grips and had to have it.:D

[tcrpe]

LOL, some mouth breather saw the grips and had to have it.:D


Here's a link to the video if the state-sponsored strong-arm robbery:

http://mfile.akamai.com/12948/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2005/0908/4946889.300k.asx

[Diabolus]

At what point will the American public band together and do something to fight injustice.

[6172crew]

Here's a link to the video if the state-sponsored strong-arm robbery:

http://mfile.akamai.com/12948/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2005/0908/4946889.300k.asx

I dont think Ive ever wanted to see a cop get fired but that guy needs to go.

Just goes to prove that we are allowed to do what the Govt lets us do.:mad:

[adamsreeftank]

The newscaster says "she was allowed to keep her dogs, but of course the police took the gun and the knife."

Then they relocated her to the convention center, where if I recall corretly, the police were providing NO protection for the citizens. It really makes you wonder.

[jdberger]

I see a lot of complaining, but not much personal initiative.

I guess that it is ok to claim that you are fighting the system by purchasing a few Stags or other OLLs. But I guess that doesn't call for much sacrifice, does it?

I've seen some great stuff, the whole RKBA Initiative thing, for one. But that failed due to a lack of volunteers. How of the complainers here collected one signature?

Do you know why you should support the NRA? Because they are the only game in town. Who brought CCW to 36 states that never had it before? Who got the credit for tossing the Dems out of Congress in '92? Who has managed to marginalize Brady and VPC and the other anti looneys? Who brought the lawsuit against the SF gun ban? Who is paying for it?

The NRA isn't perfect. I don't always agree with their strategies or their policies - but the only group that I do agree with 100% of the time is the one I run....:)

Give Mike a break. Instead of *****ing that the NRA isn't doing something for you, ask how you can volunteer to help the NRA. (Look, I'm channelling JFK!!)

We are all busy. I've got kids. I've got a job that dominates my life. I've got a wife that doesn't really like guns - but I find time to get out and volunteer.

Don't want to help? Well............:rolleyes: :rolleyes: