Where would you move?

[Jason_R]

If you had the chance to move out of Cali, into any state, where would you move?

I'm trying to decide where I want to live, and it'd be great to live in a place with fairly lax gun laws (a place where I can own SBS's, SBR's, Suppressors, Machine Guns) etc.

I'm pretty knowledgable as to what's legal under the 1986 ban, but I'm don't know that much about individual states. States I'm considering would be oregon, Montana, or Texas. Some place that's relatively warm...and that's not in the middle of freakin' nowhere.

So post up your ideal places to live!

[CSkyhawk72]

Houston, TX
Corpus Christi, TX
Denver, CO (just bought a place there...)
or
Omaha, NE

[blacklisted]

I'd move to Oregon.

[icormba]

Oregon, Hillsboro area... only because I have a lot of friends and some family who relocated there.

But I'd tell all the locals I was from Medford! ;)

I have family in Texas and Florida... those places seem like the pits!

[Apostolos]

North or South Carolina, Virginia, or New Hampshire back east. All free states.

Oregon on the west coast. I'd love to stay in California. It's by far been my favorite State to live in with the exception of its politics.

God Bless,
David

[blkA4alb]

I will be buying a vacation home in Coeur D'alene, ID next year. I may have to keep a secret stash of full auto's there...since it's nice and legal. ;)
Not as long as your a resident of cali you wont be. You have to abide by calis laws still. Just owning property in a state does not allow you to buy any firearms there.

[markymark]

I'd move to Oregon.
i'm thinking of moving there

[Raspy]

<><> I'd have to say Montana...

Some of the best hunting and
fishing in the US of A...

If you don't like hunting and
fishing--- You don't like having
sex...

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<><> Raspy <><>

[The Soup Nazi]

Can we elect to choose option B, civil revolt and being able to keep our homes and force the anti gunners to move?

[MotoGuy]

North or South Carolina, Virginia, or New Hampshire back east. All free states.

Kinda, in North Carolina you have to get a pistol permit from the police departement for each pistol you want to buy, and they usually won't issue more then 5 per person a year. Makes buying handguns in California seem easy.

[SouthbySouthwest]

Not as long as your a resident of cali you wont be. You have to abide by calis laws still. Just owning property in a state does not allow you to buy any firearms there.

If he has a residence there, he can buy and KEEP in ID, even if he is a resident of CA. No different than those who keep their FA and CA-AW in Nevada.

[AS45-70]

Talked about this today while driving to work.

Alaska
Oregon
NM
lake Tahoe area or Reno

[EBWhite]

All you need to do is get your DL in ID and live part time here and in CA-as long as you own a place you can get your ID license. This only becomes questioned if you lie on taxes or your a criminal.

I know several folks who have a home in AZ and CA, live in CA full time and have AZ licenses. Keep one car registed in CA though to keep from getting tickets and being pulled over


I'd like to live in Northern Texas, Idaho or north nevada. I've been to Oregon and it is nice but it is a liberal state in the making. Nevada is nice but your still living in the southwest. Texas can get too humid. Idaho is a pretty good choice all around.

[Satex]

Very hard question. Even though I would like to live in a place with more lax gun laws, our overall quality of life drives the decision. Right now, housing prices are a much larger burden than gun laws. I live in San Diego and LOVE the place! Love the weather, love the ocean. Can't think of a place I would like to live in more. I used to live in Phoenix, and looking back, I don't know how I made it!

[Python2]

Not as long as your a resident of cali you wont be. You have to abide by calis laws still. Just owning property in a state does not allow you to buy any firearms there.

Not if you make that state your primary home and registered to vote there IMHO.

[Python2]

Very hard question. Even though I would like to live in a place with more lax gun laws, our overall quality of life drives the decision. Right now, housing prices are a much larger burden than gun laws. I live in San Diego and LOVE the place! Love the weather, love the ocean. Can't think of a place I would like to live in more. I used to live in Phoenix, and looking back, I don't know how I made it!

You know Kali aint that bad. You want to change the law, get involved. The people that are making these frigging laws are like you and me. Lets get rid of them, I mean, I dont mean shoot them but rather vote them out. Visit CaliforniaCCW.org

[moulton]

SLC, Utah... tons of blm land you can shoot and hunt on, all the different type of guns you want and full of mormons (plus for me)

[markymark]

Bellevue, WA is also a very nice place.

[chunger]

I'm staying put. . . own property, and keep influencing friends to become gun owners. It's much harder to move in than to move out. I like California. . . I want to duke it out here.

+1 on www.californiaccw.org there are things we can do that we aren't. I wouldn't be opposed to moving to CCW a friendly county and bolster the numbers there. . .

[bg]

I'm staying put. . . own property, and keep influencing friends to become gun owners. It's much harder to move in than to move out. I like California. . . I want to duke it out here.

+1 on www.californiaccw.org there are things we can do that we aren't. I wouldn't be opposed to moving to CCW a friendly county and bolster the numbers there. . .
Darn right. Instead of me moving, how bout showing
anti-gun people the door..

[JHC]

Bellevue, WA is also a very nice place.

western Washington is great but I don't think they allow machineguns there.

[blkA4alb]

EB, treelogger made it very clear in another thread. Why must you spread misinformation constantly.

Originally Posted by thesneakyrussian
doesn't that depend on the law of the state i am buying at?
Originally Posted by treelogger
No, it does not. Federal law dictates that residents of any state have to follow the laws of the state of their residence, independent of where they buy their guns. Meaning CA residents will have to do the follow the process that CA law prescribes, which is DROS and so on. Since no FFLs outside CA are set up for the CA process, this means that CA residents can only buy guns from dealers in CA. (To be 100% exact, they can buy guns from anyone, which then have to be delivered to a CA FFL, who then runs the CA process and delivers them to the buyer).
Originally posted by treelogger
I don't know the rules for multiple residency. But while you are a CA resident, you will have to follow CA laws. If you MOVE OUT OF CALIFORNIA PERMANENTLY, you are not a CA resident any more. Just buying a piece of land in another state does not relieve you of CA residency. To stop being treated as a CA resident you pretty much have to move the main part of your life out of the state.

I shouldn't even say that, but obviously enforcement of this must be quite lax, since people can't really check where you actually live. You could rent a room from a friend in Arizona for $1 per month, set up a PO box there, give up your CA drivers license and get an AZ drivers license, and pretend that you are an AZ resident, even if you spend 99% of your time in CA. As far as firearms are concerned, this would probably be sufficient to buy a firearm in AZ. However, doing something like this is massively asking for trouble. First: you are not supposed to spend more than 10 days in CA before getting a CA driver's license. If you are get a traffic ticket with an AZ drivers license in CA, the cop or judge is likely to ask why you haven't gotten your CA drivers licence, and then the gigue is up. The even worse problem is income tax: I think employers in CA have been warned by the EDD to carefully check people who claim to reside in other states while working in CA, and the fraud of the wrong residency would probably get figured out come tax time, when CA suddenly wants income tax from you. And if you ever get into any firearms-related legal trouble with the firearm that you acquired while pretending to be an AZ resident, you would in a world of hurt.

[JS-M1A]

Oregon,Washington,or Northern Nevada for me.
I`ve lived in all of these areas before.I could
make myself at home in any of them.I would
have already moved if it was just me.Just
picking up and moving with a wife and four
kids isn`t easy.

[Mr. Ed]

I would love to move to SLC, UT. It's beautiful up there and you can drive off the highway one mile and shoot all you want. LAR Grizzly lowers are made there and so are vector arms.

[EBWhite]

EB, treelogger made it very clear in another thread. Why must you spread misinformation constantly.

no no no. I did not mislead anyone- You are not telling the whole truth.

For example, you own two houses (one in CA and one in ID). You keep your drivers license, voting info in ID. You live in CA part time.You buy your guns in ID, not CA since you are a legal resident of ID. The only law you might get in trouble for is if you have a ID plated car in CA all the time. Well, keep one car registered here at your CA house and you will be fine. Many people have dual residences and never run into any problems. Having 2 houses is fine, you can only have one DL at a time.

[Apostolos]

Kinda, in North Carolina you have to get a pistol permit from the police departement for each pistol you want to buy, and they usually won't issue more then 5 per person a year. Makes buying handguns in California seem easy.

I didn't realize that. Thanks.

God Bless,
David

[Apostolos]

You know Kali aint that bad. You want to change the law, get involved.

I vote "pro-gun" in every election, I write my representatives, and nothing ever changes. It just gets worse.

I will continue to do this as long as I'm here, but I think expecting any sort of change for the better is an exercise in mental futility.

God Bless,
David

[Jason_R]

I highgly doubt Cali is going to change any time soon, so **** em! My idea place to live is South Lake Tahoe Nevada side...as it's not far from Sacramento.

But ideally somewhere else entirely would be cool!

[chris]

it would be hrd for me to live anywhere but in this screwed up state i call home. i love the ocean and the state. the politics has made it a joke to everyone i talk to. thought of living in Nevada, oregon, idaho, arizona. but i have to think of what kind of job to get. i have to think about my federal job that i have so that will dictate where i may move to.

but i really want to stay here and fight. i have written and called the legislators and nothing really changes. but if we give up we will lose and lose BIG

[Runtagua]

Our major problem in this state is dissemination of information. Gun ownership is a private matter for most people. The only information the standard Joe gets about guns would be from Hollywood and the nightly news: guns are for killing people.

The private schools I went to in San Francisco were very informative in regards to sex and drug education. They taught what it was, the dangers involved, and how to keep out of trouble. All by laying out the facts.

No one is educating our youth on the subjects of guns. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Until our system starts laying out the facts for the next generation we will continue to be on the loosing end of this debate.
:(

[maschronic]

it would be hrd for me to live anywhere but in this screwed up state i call home. i love the ocean and the state. the politics has made it a joke to everyone i talk to. thought of living in Nevada, oregon, idaho, arizona. but i have to think of what kind of job to get. i have to think about my federal job that i have so that will dictate where i may move to.

but i really want to stay here and fight. i have written and called the legislators and nothing really changes. but if we give up we will lose and lose BIG

+1 Chris

Right there with you Chris!!!!! i love the ocean and the mountains. the weather is the best here. i'm staying here and going to fight them for every inch. i will support the good local gun stores....ie ade & ammo bros...and screw the bad ones...ie arms usa (really really really bad service), stockade & folwers.

[Scope]

My first choices are Idaho, Montana, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, or Arizona. The Rocky Mountain range states seem to be the most free, and have minimal gun laws. Unfortunately the job prospects seem to be poor in most of those, so moving may be out of the question for a while.

[Altahick]

i say maby washington or oregon, i love the outdoors i like to fish and hunt, and the outdoors in those states is just awesome, and man ther is some good riding in oregon, my yz426f would really like it if i moved to oregon,

[shopkeep]

If I had to move out of the state I'd go to Nevada... kick *** gun laws and you've got Las Vegas. Most likely I would move to Reno where it's a bit slower and housing costs are still somewhat less expensive, Lake Tahoe would be a second choice.

However, I don't have to move out of state right now and everywhere else I've been or lived has crappy weather, boring towns, and low wages. As much as I hate the gun laws in Cali, I love the weather and everything else about this state.

[WhiteSands]

I was born in 1957 at Mercy hospital in Sacramento.

I have given up on my home state.

I will move to AZ most likely and North Carolina least likely.

[FreedomIsNotFree]

My family has been in CA since the 1830's. Last 7 generations on the Monterey Peninsula. I am not going anywhere. I will meander through the State, but I wont move out.

[Cato]

I like New Hampshire or Vermont - I've always loved New England. Fewer gun laws and beautiful architecture. Idaho is nice too.

[Evil Gun]

Arizona mountains.

[Pulsar]

State of Jefferson, that way I don't have to move.

[yiha]

My family has been in CA since the 1830's. Last 7 generations on the Monterey Peninsula. I am not going anywhere. I will meander through the State, but I wont move out.

cool, i live in monterey too.
Im kinda thinking about getting out of here as moving for me wouldnt involve alot of hassle. i dont own any property.

Nevada or arizona i think are the two most likely candidates to where i would move.. Permitless CCW in vermont does make my mouth water though :D

[NRAhighpowershooter]

For me.. I'd have to have a range within 30min from my house and they'd have to have a year round NRA High Power program as well as Garand matches and I need trees.. not sage brush like a lot of Nevada.

[jmlivingston]

If it was my way??? Austin, NV! Quaint town up high in the mountains, looks like good deer hunting and great trout fishing up there as well. But since I'm married and there's now way in heck my wife would go there, looks like my best bet would be Reno/Carson area.

John

[Inoxmark]

Oregon is very nice, but... I travel to Portland and Salem areas very often on business, and reading local papers there ... feels like you were in San Francisco. LOTs of liberal feel good crap that absolutely drives me nuts. Sharp contrast with very conservative Utah, where I also travel fairly often.
Now I don't know if and how this liberal mood affects OR gun laws, but one day it might.

[csarel]

Have to go with Northwest or Northeast Georgia.:)

[wutzu]

Somewhere where I could have a big house in the mountains, preferably with a "gun room" that has a window I can shoot handloads out of.

[madjack956]

colorado for me... great gun laws, or lack thereof, beautiful scenery, hunting, jeeping, mountain biking (harley)...I moved here in 1980 from New England and have slowly watched alot of my freedoms go away... Motorcycle helmet laws,
offroad restrictions, aw laws.. I'm 50 years old and although I'm always up for fighting the establishment, I have come to realize this state is just going to get worse... I'm tired of banging my head against the wall...:eek: It's too bad because it is really a beautiful place to live...but my wife and I decided to live the rest of our lives in a free state...Yeah I'll have to deal with the snow but I'll warm up to the thoughts of all my ar's with 30 round mags and a machine gun with a suppressor and oh yeah, a newly acquired CCW.:D

[artherd]

I'll continue to own property in a variaty of locales, but CA will always be my emotional, if not factual and tax basis, "Home". I will always have propety here.

And I aim to keep my guns.

[1911jerry]

Arizona or Texas

I recently appied for a job in Texas - should hear from them in 30 days either way.

I like Kali also, but if I can make my same salary in Texas, sell my dinky house here and pay for a larger one in cash in Texas, I will move in a second.

Jerry

[trbon8r]

My wife and I are going through this same thing. We got married last year, and both of us make good money, with a combined income of nearly 200k. Even though we make good cash we still can't afford a decent house here in the "middle class" neighborhood we live in. The 1920s vintage shack we rent is worth $750k and needs a bulldozer to actually make it nice. That is nuts!!!!!

We took a trip to Florida hoping that it might be kind of a poor man's version of California. It sucked big time. I'd heard about the humidity so we did the smart thing and scheduled our trip for August. Holy crap!!!!! The humidity just sucks the breath out of you. I work outdoors and couldn't imagine dealing with that every day.

We are still keeping our eyes open, but CA is still the best. If only the damn housing prices would come back down.

[odysseus]

Western Nevada, Northern Arizona, or Utah are places I would relocate a permanent residency from. Any state that preserves the RKBA is a plus for me, but certainly also I have connections with most of those areas and I am a western USA person by blood, from generations.

Of course I will probably always have properties in Cali for business reasons, and possibly a place by the ocean to visit if not leased out for that purpose. However I am growing to really dislike Cali, and I am sure there are many who are the reason why I am disliking Cali here who would love to see me go.

[shooterx10]

I honeymooned in Sedona, AZ and instantly fell in love with the area. Fantastic scenery and great people and almost everyone packs heat! They have an open carry law.

http://walras.econ.duke.edu/southwest2000/sedona.jpg

Also, I can drive to the Phoenix/Scottsdale area to take a 3-gun or pistol class with Matt Burkett, Rob Leatham, or Brian Enos! :D

Another city is Austin, TX, which I plan to visit in the future.

I feel better in a RED state because I'm a conservative at heart. ;)

[taloft]

I'm having a real hard time with this concept. I was born, and raised, in San Diego County. I can't think of another place in the USA that would allow me to be at the beach, the desert, or the mountains/snow within two hours of my home. I could go from the beach to the desert within two hours. The variety of environment, coupled with great weather make it hard to beat. I've driven across the country, and nothing compares. That's why people keep moving here.

If I had to pick one, maybe Wyoming. Up near Cody or Jackson/Pinedale area. Near Yellowstone National Park, and the Grand Teton National Park. It shares a border with: Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Colorado, Utah, and Idaho. As of March 20th. Gas was $2.30 a Gal. It is a Shall issue state. Small populations in most communities. It is beautiful country. There are enough tourist to keep things interesting during the summer. Tons of outdoor fun. The Brady Campaign gave it an "F" rating.

[Unknownassailant]

I honeymooned in Sedona, AZ and instantly fell in love with the area. Fantastic scenery and great people and almost everyone packs heat! They have an open carry law.


Just watch out for all them hollistic healing Tom Foolery type in Sedona, there all over that place.

[blacklisted]

Just watch out for all them hollistic healing Tom Foolery type in Sedona, there all over that place.

I've heard all about them too. Lots of "new-age" thinkers (idiots) combined with "Native American" rituals.

[BobDiaz]

I was born in California, my wife was born in California, my kids were born in California, even my Mom was born in California. BUT, given the ULTRA liberal and ANTI-Gun climate of this state, the massive traffic jam in the LA area, and the lack of open space where I live, I am planning of leaving California.

#1 on my list is Idaho. I've been there many times and love the place.

Bob

[Pulsar]

No one else wants to make the state of jefferson huh?

[subway]

Just to put things in perspective.......

As a native of NYC and a long time resident of Boston, when we moved to LA a few weeks before the R. King riots, I was shocked to see firearms for sale in local KMarts, Sears, and even little "sporting goods" stores that seemed to sell little more than sneakers and guns. California is BY FAR the most gun-friendly place I have ever lived. I was so shocked to see floor to ceiling shelves of ammo at the local sports store that I actually picked up a box .308 rifle cartridges when I purchased my first pair of sneakers in Burbank back in '92. Didn't have a gun, but I had never seen ammo for sale in my 30 years on earth prior to moving here earlier that month, so I plunked down $10 for a "paperweight" that amused my east coast friends for many years.

the grass is always greener......