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Hova
09-14-2010, 6:31 PM
I definitely don't have the tools to do this on my own. Can anyone point me in the right direction to someone who can help? I would need to remove the barrel from a 91/30 reciever, and at a later, screw it back on. Located in the SF Bay Area.
Thanks

Hova
09-15-2010, 11:04 AM
Anyone? More specifically Im looking for someone who has a barrel vise and mosin action wrench.
Thanks again

wash
09-15-2010, 11:35 AM
I will be making an action wrench eventually.

I don't know when, hopefully I'll get to it next year some time.

If you have any wood working skills, it shouldn't be hard to make the action wrench.

I'm going to fortify my crummy wood working skills with painter's tape and glass bedding compound to get a tight fit.

I'm not going to re-use the Bannerman 30-06 converted barrel so I'll use a pipe wrench and skip the barrel vise until I need it.

Hova
09-15-2010, 11:43 AM
Interesting, thanks for the reply.

Ive heard these old mosin barrels (mines a 1938 Tula) are reeaaalllyyy on there. Will a glass bedded wood action wrench hold up?

Datamancer
09-21-2010, 2:44 PM
Interesting, thanks for the reply.

Ive heard these old mosin barrels (mines a 1938 Tula) are reeaaalllyyy on there. Will a glass bedded wood action wrench hold up?

Nothing but a metal wrench will hold up to this task. I watched a youtube video once that showed the process of removing a mosin barrel (tried to find it again for you but couldn't) and the guy was literally dangling his entire body off the end of a 6-foot pipe on the end of a barrel wrench. It takes something like 700 foot-pounds of torque to break a really old action. Once he removed it and cleaned/oiled the threads, it only took about 200 pounds to install back to the indexing marks and 200 pounds to crack it again, but that first crack is a killer

-~D~-

Hova
09-21-2010, 3:18 PM
ya thanks ive actually seen that video

wash
09-22-2010, 9:01 AM
Interesting, thanks for the reply.

Ive heard these old mosin barrels (mines a 1938 Tula) are reeaaalllyyy on there. Will a glass bedded wood action wrench hold up?
I guess I'll find out.

I will probably use hard wood and a cheater...

Barabas
09-22-2010, 9:27 AM
Be sure to document it with video! :D

wash
09-22-2010, 10:15 AM
In my case, since it's a Bannerman, the barrel has already been out once (then setback, dangerously chambered in 30-06 and screwed back on). I don't know if that will make a difference but I doubt it's on as tight as a real origional or arsenal re-barreled Mosin.

kendog4570
09-22-2010, 12:13 PM
Try 6mmintl here on calguns. He knows his way around these things really well and is in Redwood City, close to you.

Hova
09-22-2010, 1:46 PM
Thanks kendog. Ill hit him a PM

packnrat
09-22-2010, 2:08 PM
i can not see wood even coming close to removing any action from the tube. steel, hardened steel is the only way. as thick as can fit. and about a foot long with the ability to attach a cheater pipe. long one.
and to get a smooth flat contact with as much "skin" of the receiver as possible.
but it must contact were the receiver is strong and will not twist out of shape.

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mycrstuff
09-22-2010, 8:31 PM
Where are you finding new Mosin barrels? I didn't think anybody made one. If you are taking it off to just reblue the receiver you would be better off doing it all as one piece. If you are trying to take the barrel off to turn it on a lathe good luck. That will be tough.

hypnoman
09-23-2010, 8:23 AM
Where are you finding new Mosin barrels? I didn't think anybody made one. . .

I, too, would like to know where to get barrels!!

Imagining a barrel for the 7.62x51 . . . and how nice it would be to load with the standard .308 bullets!!

Hova
09-23-2010, 10:07 AM
I am not replacing the barrel with a new one. Sorry guys

Lex
09-25-2010, 12:48 PM
I have been searching both here and youtube.. but not much luck. I tried today with some WD40 for 15 minutes and vise the barrel down and using a large plumber wrench with an extension still no luck. Is Russian thread LH? Saw the youtube vid but doesnt show much...

kendog4570
09-25-2010, 1:25 PM
I have been searching both here and youtube.. but not much luck. I tried today with some WD40 for 15 minutes and vise the barrel down and using a large plumber wrench with an extension still no luck. Is Russian thread LH? Saw the youtube vid but doesnt show much...

99 times out of 100 you will need to cut (in a lathe) a thread relief groove a few thousanths of an inch in front of the barrel torque shoulder on the receiver. Then it will come off with your kid's Playskool tools.

Like Midway Larry Potterfield says "That's the way it is".

Solidsnake87
09-26-2010, 11:40 AM
Its funny, I've seen a lot of people go to great lengths to locate new mosin barrels....to no avail. There is a demand for these, too bad smiths are not willing to invest in making new match grade quality barrels in .308, .30-06, and 7.62x54r. I'd happily pay $300 for one.

Spiggy
09-26-2010, 1:59 PM
a barrel blank is what? $150-300? I know the chamber reamer is about $100 on brownell's

All it takes is a big lathe and some work time

kendog4570
09-26-2010, 2:17 PM
OK. How many guys out there want a match grade barrel for a Mosin? If 15 or 20 people (preferably more) want to put up some bucks, I would consider turning out some barrels for you. Something along the lines of a threaded, short chambered and/or long shouldered to fit to actions that probably make early Mausers look dimensionally consistent. Remember, you are talking about putting 5-600 dollars into a barrel for a 150 dollar rifle.

Lex
09-26-2010, 4:52 PM
I am interested.. but not at 500. If a nice match barrel available around 250-300 i dont mind...

Hova
09-26-2010, 5:22 PM
Sorry ive been away from this thread for a minute...

My intentions are to simply do some work on an origional Soviet barrel. I would not be interested in a match barrel for a Mosin.

kendog4570
09-26-2010, 6:07 PM
I am interested.. but not at 500. If a nice match barrel available around 250-300 i dont mind...

Why should match barrel quality work on a Mosin be cheaper than the same work on a Remington or Winchester?

wash
09-26-2010, 6:33 PM
Lothar Walther lists a Mosin Nagant profile on their web site.

Look hard enough and you'll find it.

I'm pretty sure it has a chamber cut, I'm not sure about the bore size.

I want to get them to put a Mosin profile on a 6.5 mm blank for me so that I can cut a 6.5x54r Vostok chamber (or similar).

kendog4570
09-27-2010, 8:13 AM
Walther wants almost 350 for a short chambered, long shouldered, unthreaded, "contoured" barrel. Extra fees if you want profiling to exact military contour. Then you have to thread it and fit it to an action. More to attach sights correctly. 5-600 bucks minimum when you are done. It is not advisable to chamber in any caliber other than the rimmed Russian round, or a round of same pressure and case dimensions. After WW1 these were surplused in the US by the ton, and many converted to 30/06 by companies like Bannermans. This conversion was considered a booby trap by the gunsmiths of the 40's and 50's.

rojocorsa
09-27-2010, 8:21 AM
But once you put a match grade pipe, give it a trigger job, free float and bed it----it will no longer just be a "$150" rifle. It will no doubt, be more than that.

Just saying...

kendog4570
09-27-2010, 8:25 AM
I am available to do the barreling if you want to pay the costs.

oldrifle
09-27-2010, 8:38 AM
The best way is to sell it and buy a better rifle. Mosins are great for what they are, but remember that they're old and were made by communists.

2Bear
09-27-2010, 8:55 AM
they're old and were made by communists.

Wait. I thought they were made by commie pinko bedwetters?

Hova
09-27-2010, 9:37 AM
All this talk of new mosin barrels...

Who can actually remove these barrels from the recievers!?

Spiggy
09-27-2010, 10:47 AM
:D I think Kendog just offered ;)

kendog4570
09-27-2010, 10:53 AM
Most likely they will have to be cut off. A crafty smith could re-fit them, but you can buy a complete gun for less.
Don't feel bad. Springfield's sometimes need cutting, too. I once broke, as in shattered, an alloy pipe vise trying to get a crap barrel off of a 1903 Springfield. Chucked it in the lathe, cut a relief cut, and unscrewed it by hand.

Spiggy
09-27-2010, 5:33 PM
man, I really want to try this, but my worktools don't give me the capacity to chamber ream and headspace