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BeaverReceiver
09-12-2010, 4:00 PM
So I am planning out my future build and decided to go featureless but I want to know if a Primary Weapons System Compensator / Flash Hider would be alright to use or is it too risky?

I know there are other similar products like the yankee hill Comp/FH and Vltor Comp/FH but they look a little too much like flash hider than comp but the PWS does and looks more the part of a Comp.

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af125/BEAVERRECIEVER/p_100003302_2.jpg

SFFRONTMAN
09-12-2010, 4:02 PM
Compensator OK, flash hider, NOT OK. Does that help? Stick with a compensator.

jumbopanda
09-12-2010, 4:04 PM
According to the PWS website:

All of the FSC Series muzzle devices have been classified as a non-flash suppressing device by the BATFE, thus removing any restriction from assault weapon ban states or provinces

But at the same time, it is still advertised as having flash suppression capabilities, so it's a grey area IMO. If you want to be safe, I'd suggest that you go with the shorter version which does not have the flash suppressing prongs. Or you could get a Battlecomp, which some people say is just as effective at reducing felt recoil, but not as loud as the FSC.

thevic
09-12-2010, 4:06 PM
Well it manufactured to be a brake first, flash hider second.

But mfg labels it as a flash hiding compensator so it is probably too hard to argue it is not a flash hider

i1800collect
09-12-2010, 4:22 PM
This exact debate has been played out several times before.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=3848864
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=209811
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=145523
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=320001

It isn't worth the risk IMO.

i1800collect
09-12-2010, 4:33 PM
According to the PWS website:



But at the same time, it is still advertised as having flash suppression capabilities, so it's a grey area IMO. If you want to be safe, I'd suggest that you go with the shorter version which does not have the flash suppressing prongs. Or you could get a Battlecomp, which some people say is just as effective at reducing felt recoil, but not as loud as the FSC.

What BATFE has to say regarding this device doesn't matter. It's what the CADOJ thinks. PWS markets this device as a flash supressing compensator (it's what FSC stands for). This fact alone makes using the FSC556 on a featureless build too risky for me.

BMWguy206
09-12-2010, 4:58 PM
I recommend the Surefire MB556K or BattleComp compensator.

sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 5:02 PM
if the end of the muzzle device necks back down to slightly larger than the projectile, it is a muzzle brake. if the end of the device is open, it is a flash hider. if the device is used to redirect gases to stabilize the muzzle, it is a muzzle brake. if it is to redirect the flash of the muzzle from the shooter's field of vision, it s a flash hider.

with that said, the device in question looks like it should be used to open tin cans. yuck. i run a yhm brake on a featureless build, without fear, because i know that it was designed to stabilize the muzzle. your device looks like it is designed to stabilize a muzzle, but it looks like whoever designed it may have been shrooming at the time. :p

NiteQwill
09-12-2010, 5:13 PM
if the end of the muzzle device necks back down to slightly larger than the projectile, it is a muzzle brake. if the end of the device is open, it is a flash hider. if the device is used to redirect gases to stabilize the muzzle, it is a muzzle brake. if it is to redirect the flash of the muzzle from the shooter's field of vision, it s a flash hider.

with that said, the device in question looks like it should be used to open tin cans. yuck. i run a yhm brake on a featureless build, without fear, because i know that it was designed to stabilize the muzzle. your device looks like it is designed to stabilize a muzzle, but it looks like whoever designed it may have been shrooming at the time. :p
Have you shot the FSC556?

It is a superior compensator AND flash hider. It effectively does both and there is nothing on market like it.

To the OP, no you cannot use it on a featureless build.

sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 5:16 PM
nope, i havent.

i think i might cut myself on it.

i1800collect
09-12-2010, 5:17 PM
nope, i havent.

i think i might cut myself on it.

What part of it looks even remotely sharp enough to cut you..

sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 5:21 PM
What part of it looks even remotely sharp enough to cut you..

way to take stuff literally. :thumbsup:

Gio
09-12-2010, 5:22 PM
Get the PWS Bull Dog, it is almost the same things as the FSC556 but without the front prongs. You cannot go wrong with a PWS Comp such as the Bull Dog :D

BeaverReceiver
09-12-2010, 5:25 PM
Alright that helps guys I will probably just get something else cause it does seem like such a grey area and the fact that getting a felony over a stupid thing like a muzzle break is lame and not worth it regard less of what we really know.

BTW I did do a search for it but turned up nothing didn't mean to repeat post.

nicoroshi
09-12-2010, 5:28 PM
I have the FSC-556 on my 5.56 AR, and the FSC-30 on my 6.8SPC AR.
Great at controlling muzzle rise, and flash.
Terrible on the guys sitting on either side of you at the range.
IMHO to sketchy to use on a featureless build as it does hide the flash well.

You decide:
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sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 5:29 PM
fwiw, the yhm flat end muzzle brake works very well. :thumbsup: and it's not $150........

NiteQwill
09-12-2010, 6:08 PM
fwiw, the yhm flat end muzzle brake works very well. :thumbsup: and it's not $150........

$95 from riflegear.com

Cheaper other places

sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 6:25 PM
$95 from riflegear.com

Cheaper other places

eh, $25?

http://riflegear.com/p-264-yankee-hill-phantom-muzzle-brake-556mm-flat-end.aspx

NiteQwill
09-12-2010, 6:34 PM
eh, $25?

http://riflegear.com/p-264-yankee-hill-phantom-muzzle-brake-556mm-flat-end.aspx
The YHM is a good flash suppressor and a crappy compensator. The FSC556 is a very good muzzle brake and a fairly crappy flash suppressor.

Inferior v. superior.

You decide.

I've owned both (two YHMs, actually), the FSC blows it out of the water. There's a reason it's $75 more.

sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 6:46 PM
oooooh the OP's muzzle device is $95. i thought you were referring to the yhm, as it sounded from your post with my quote. my bad.

how good does it really have to be? it's a 223....

NiteQwill
09-12-2010, 6:51 PM
oooooh the OP's muzzle device is $95. i thought you were referring to the yhm, as it sounded from your post with my quote. my bad.

how good does it really have to be? it's a 223....

:)

Shoot a FSC556, I'll give you a box of ammo if you're not satisfied. :eek:

In all seriousness, when I go back down to SD to shoot, you're more than welcome to try it out (I'll shoot you a PM).

Shooting 223 will make it feel like you're shooting a 22. :D

sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 6:58 PM
i should apologize. i have lately become a fan of mixing plum wine and dry sake. it goes down too easy for my own good. so, im sorry for being a turd onthe internets. :D

im just giving you guys crap, im sure its a great muzzle device. im mostly just pissed that nobody makes an a2 muzzle device thats closed at the end like the yhm. i never had an issue getting back on target, even with a thread protector. i might be a bad test case..

but honestly, that think looks like pablo picasso designed it. :D

nicoroshi
09-12-2010, 7:02 PM
It may look funny, and may direct the blast out the sides (well, O.K. it does both of those) but it does work well otherwise it would have left the ends of my rifles long ago.

sevensix2x51
09-12-2010, 7:08 PM
:)

Shoot a FSC556, I'll give you a box of ammo if you're not satisfied. :eek:

In all seriousness, when I go back down to SD to shoot, you're more than welcome to try it out (I'll shoot you a PM).

Shooting 223 will make it feel like you're shooting a 22. :D
but yes, send me a pm, and we will go shooting. :)

Sky_DiveR
09-12-2010, 8:23 PM
If you want a featureless build, try these...

http://www.ar15performance.com/inc/sdetail/672

http://www.ar15performance.com/inc/sdetail/437

sleepercar
09-13-2010, 7:56 AM
:)

Shoot a FSC556, I'll give you a box of ammo if you're not satisfied. :eek:

In all seriousness, when I go back down to SD to shoot, you're more than welcome to try it out (I'll shoot you a PM).

Shooting 223 will make it feel like you're shooting a 22. :D

I just picked one up. I love it.
"Feel", like a .22 at your shoulder with a 30-06 concussion at the other end.:D

ar15barrels
09-13-2010, 2:42 PM
What BATFE has to say regarding this device doesn't matter. It's what the CADOJ thinks. PWS markets this device as a flash supressing compensator (it's what FSC stands for).

This.

BeaverReceiver
09-18-2010, 9:59 PM
i should apologize. i have lately become a fan of mixing plum wine and dry sake. it goes down too easy for my own good. so, im sorry for being a turd onthe internets. :D

im just giving you guys crap, im sure its a great muzzle device. im mostly just pissed that nobody makes an a2 muzzle device thats closed at the end like the yhm. i never had an issue getting back on target, even with a thread protector. i might be a bad test case..

but honestly, that think looks like pablo picasso designed it. :D

EGW makes a Comp that looks almost identical to the A2 birdcage I think that is the route I will be going... EGW makes some pretty classy stuff.

sevensix2x51
09-18-2010, 10:08 PM
EGW makes a Comp that looks almost identical to the A2 birdcage I think that is the route I will be going... EGW makes some pretty classy stuff.

wait whaaaa...... ??? ooh gotta gets me some of this!!!! google here i come....
http://egw-guns.com/store/images/ARGIICompWBG_med.jpg

OMGWTFBBQ???!! my life is complete!!