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gun toting monkeyboy
09-12-2010, 3:41 PM
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab208/gun_toting_monkeyboy/RetroAR.jpg

I found an old M16a1 upper on gunbroker for cheap. Nobody seems to want the carry handle uppers right now. It has a 1-12 twist chrome lined barrel. All original Colt, except the windage knob. I added original hardware bougt at several places online, and built it on a JD Machine lower. My total cost was right around $500, but spread over several months. It took less than 1/2 hour to assemble it. It shoots great. Nice weight too. Not as heavy as my modern commercial AR rifles. And even more surprising, it gets more attention at the range than any of my other toys normally do. Both from the old timers, and the younger generation. Please ignore the cheap chinese sling. I am in the middle of moving, and it was all I had laying around.

-Mb

p.s. Sorry for the camera phone picture. And yes, I know my toe is in the picture.

West9319
09-12-2010, 5:16 PM
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab208/gun_toting_monkeyboy/RetroAR.jpg

I found an old M16a1 upper on gunbroker for cheap. Nobody seems to want the carry handle uppers right now. It has a 1-12 twist chrome lined barrel. All original Colt, except the windage knob. I added original hardware bougt at several places online, and built it on a JD Machine lower. My total cost was right around $500, but spread over several months. It took less than 1/2 hour to assemble it. It shoots great. Nice weight too. Not as heavy as my modern commercial AR rifles. And even more surprising, it gets more attention at the range than any of my other toys normally do. Both from the old timers, and the younger generation. Please ignore the cheap chinese sling. I am in the middle of moving, and it was all I had laying around.

-Mb

p.s. Sorry for the camera phone picture. And yes, I know my toe is in the picture.

Looks really awesome. I seen these kits in alot of places but heard nothing but bad things from them, even from an ffl, says the whole thing is based on smaller pins than today's lowers. And requires you to use off set pins and it just creates a mess.

I figures just use a different parts kit and i could work but I don't know.

Not trying to spread fud, just need some clearing up to do on these kits... I wouldn't mind getting one.

Gio
09-12-2010, 5:24 PM
Noice! I like it! :)

Toast
09-12-2010, 5:29 PM
Sweet! Gotta love oldschool builds, how does it shoot?

West, they sell metal bushings for the lower receiver that make then compatible with old Colt uppers.

bombadillo
09-12-2010, 5:32 PM
Thats a nice looking build man. How is the barrel when you heat it up pretty good??? I would be interested to see what kind of groups you could get with a fixed 4x power carry handle scope with a cold bore vs. a hot barrel.

West9319
09-12-2010, 5:53 PM
Sweet! Gotta love oldschool builds, how does it shoot?

West, they sell metal bushings for the lower receiver that make then compatible with old Colt uppers.

thanks for the info

X-NewYawker
09-12-2010, 5:53 PM
F'ing brilliant. The only AR-type I'd own these days!

gun toting monkeyboy
09-12-2010, 6:13 PM
This one uses the newer small diameter pins. It was a very, very tight fit, and I had to try out 4 different lowers before I found one that it would work on. I didn't want to try the kits, as I have also heard mixed reviews on them. And yes, the barrel heats up pretty quick. The handguards work well though. As for groups, the first group from a rest was slightly larger than a quarter at 25 yards. That was due to a flyer. The remaining 4 shots were all almost touching. The groups opened up after that, as the barrel got hotter. But they all were able to stay in the black at that range, even standing and shooting without a sling. I can't wait to try it out at longer ranges.

Fate
09-12-2010, 9:02 PM
Looks really awesome. I seen these kits in alot of places but heard nothing but bad things from them, even from an ffl, says the whole thing is based on smaller pins than today's lowers. And requires you to use off set pins and it just creates a mess.

I figures just use a different parts kit and i could work but I don't know.

Not trying to spread fud, just need some clearing up to do on these kits... I wouldn't mind getting one.

I built mine using a USGI Colt upper. I think you're confusing USGI with the SP1. The sporter (SP1) had the oddball pins. Military surplus did not. A true Colt USGI upper will run better than a lot of modern uppers...especially vs. the bottom feeders.

I love my retro AR. Light, accurate and lots of fun. I just hate the bullet button on it.

http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/76_168/223_34/M16A1_fullright-vi805.jpg

orangeglo
09-12-2010, 9:31 PM
Nice build. I am gonna have to do one of these retro builds eventually. Sigh... more money spent...

tiger222
09-12-2010, 9:43 PM
Nice build, the windage knob was called the "rapidex" from the late 80's early 90's iirc.
A Nodak Spud lower would be more correct as it does not have the A2 reinforcements, but good job overall. Old school rules.

Beetle Bailey
09-12-2010, 10:26 PM
Nice. My Retro-AR ended up costing over $900, but it's a cool toy. I call it my C&R EBR :D

gun toting monkeyboy
09-12-2010, 10:35 PM
Watch gunbroker. Seriously, they are going for around $300 for many used A1 and A2 uppers, less the BCG and CH. Everybody wants flat tops. The older USGI uppers are way cheaper than even many of the bottom feeder uppers on there. Colt, FN, it doesn't seem to matter. Even many of the older Colt sporter uppers are bargains. Of course, now that I have said that, the prices will spike for a while. But still, watch for them. There is a dutch auction for stripped A2 uppers for $60. And they don't appear to be selling.

Solidsnake87
09-12-2010, 10:37 PM
Awesome rifle! I love the retros! I pick up mine on Weds, you have me very jealous in the meantime :)

NiteQwill
09-12-2010, 10:45 PM
nice toe... err... rifle, I mean. ;)

bjl333
09-12-2010, 11:02 PM
I got lucky and picked up a complete upper a couple months ago w/ all furnitures buffer tube, spring, buffer for a song. I haven't got around to putting everything together yet. My total cost will be around $525 with lower and lpk. Like I said ... I lucked out !!!

DB2
09-12-2010, 11:09 PM
It's funny thinking that those uppers are a deal at $300. I bought a few a couple years ago for $125 ea. I've got a barrel that by it's self would probably fetch $400. At least that's what the last one went for on GB.

The 70's uppers are still a decent buy. The 60's stuff is what will make you start to pay.

gun toting monkeyboy
09-13-2010, 12:37 AM
It's funny thinking that those uppers are a deal at $300. I bought a few a couple years ago for $125 ea. I've got a barrel that by it's self would probably fetch $400. At least that's what the last one went for on GB.

The 70's uppers are still a decent buy. The 60's stuff is what will make you start to pay.

I still remember getting a half dozen Mosins for $20 a piece. And I remember passing up new Chicom SKSs for $79. But by the same token, many of the old timers out there will remember M1 carbines for under $30. The old prices are great for torturing the younger crowd. But in a few years, what do you think those uppers will be selling for? Thanks to the world's greatest gun salesman, all gun prices are inflated. Not as bad as when he first came into office. But still enough that I see a used GI upper being a bargain at around $300. Sad. Very sad.

-Mb

gun toting monkeyboy
09-13-2010, 12:00 PM
Ok, now that I have it zeroed in, it is time to put the 1970's vintage Aimpoint Electronic red dot on there. We'll see how well that works. If it turns out well, I'll post pictures of that on here too.

bombadillo
09-13-2010, 12:32 PM
Pics, we demand more pics!! I'm interested in a 70's vintage Aimpoint. I've never really seen one to be quite honest.

supersonic
09-13-2010, 12:37 PM
Nicely done. I love my XM16/601 "FrankenRetro" build immensely. I love taking it to the range because it's so much lighter than the other AR variants. Plus, I take great amusement at the flabbergasted looks I get whenever I manually cycle the bolt!:p
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0029.jpg

killshot44
09-13-2010, 2:33 PM
I take great amusement at the flabbergasted looks I get whenever I manually cycle the bolt!:p
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0029.jpg

Now THAT is the old-school AR! Got much love for the top-chargers...

supersonic
09-13-2010, 2:43 PM
Glad you appreciate it. Here's another 'silhouette' pic of it:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0373.jpg

CoyoteHunter555
09-13-2010, 2:44 PM
Reminds me of older Rambo movies :D Nice rifle

BroncoBob
09-13-2010, 4:41 PM
Nicely done. I love my XM16/601 "FrankenRetro" build immensely. I love taking it to the range because it's so much lighter than the other AR variants. Plus, I take great amusement at the flabbergasted looks I get whenever I manually cycle the bolt!:p
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0029.jpg

THAT is the sweetest looking retro I've seen right down to the three prong flash supressor! :drool5::drool5:

Mac Attack
09-15-2010, 7:27 PM
I have been wanting to buy a retro Colt M16 upper but haven't been able to find them for an affordable price. Anyone know where I can find one?

DB2
09-15-2010, 8:24 PM
Depends on what you mean by affordable. A 604 is gonna be about $275-350. That would one of the slick sides, well that's what there referred to. A 603 (a1) is gonna be about $350 and up. Check gunbroker and the EE at ar15.com.

Or you can cheat and buy one of the
numerous mid 60's kits that are for sale from
numerous vendors. Get one from gunthings, it comes with an assembled barrel. It ain't original, in case you care. I unfortunately do.

Orlando
09-16-2010, 11:15 AM
Gotta love the old school !!
I have a few myself:) All built on Nodak A1 lowers
603
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/603%20%20M16/MVC-001S.jpg
Early 604
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/Early%20604/MVC-011S-1.jpg
Late 604
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/m16/MVC-008S.jpg

Original 3x20 Colt Scope
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/3x20%20Colt/MVC-023S.jpg

IsaacGlass
09-16-2010, 11:28 AM
Nicely done. I love my XM16/601 "FrankenRetro" build immensely. I love taking it to the range because it's so much lighter than the other AR variants. Plus, I take great amusement at the flabbergasted looks I get whenever I manually cycle the bolt!:p
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0029.jpg

Wow! very nice. Good to see these are still out there in circulation.

amd64
09-16-2010, 11:31 AM
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab208/gun_toting_monkeyboy/RetroAR.jpg

Please ignore the cheap chinese sling. I am in the middle of moving, and it was all I had laying around.

The sling looks cool... "it's a trophy, taken off an enemy AK".

westcoast362
09-16-2010, 12:04 PM
That's very nice, just the way an AR is supposed to look. Just like my Colt SP1 that I have owned for 36 years.

Mac Attack
09-16-2010, 12:20 PM
603, 604 SP1...etc.

What is the difference between them and which one's would have a problem fitting on my Colt lower?

Milsurp Collector
09-16-2010, 12:57 PM
603, 604 SP1...etc.

What is the difference between them and which one's would have a problem fitting on my Colt lower?

See http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackrifle/ModGde/RflGde.html

C.W.M.V.
09-16-2010, 1:26 PM
Only AR id ever be interested in owning, ever.