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Serbian
09-11-2010, 11:06 AM
I apologize in advance if this has been posted before, but i want to know if there is any place where i can get a California legal AK (any 7.62 or 5.45 AK derivative or Saiga will do) for a decent and fair price. I dont have any gun stores around me only pawn shops where an all black WASR-10 (Romanian) is $600 and a Saiga is near $400. If anyone here has an AK or Saiga they want to get rid of or have multiples, I am all ears!

69Mach1
09-11-2010, 11:11 AM
Welcome to the forum. You know what would help? Your location.
Saiga's near $400 is not bad.

Serbian
09-11-2010, 11:23 AM
Im sorry i should have put that first, and thank you for welcoming me. I am in San Diego, CA. I'm not one really for Saigas, I dont know to much about them, but $400 is what an AK should go for, shouldnt saigas be cheaper?

destro360
09-11-2010, 12:20 PM
you must be from out of state? if you find an ak that cheap i'll take ten ;)

Serbian
09-11-2010, 12:30 PM
you must be from out of state? if you find an ak that cheap i'll take ten ;)

well yes i am Serbian. But i am TRYING to find an AK for around 250-400. Thats what the fair price is. Anything over is BS.

CSACANNONEER
09-11-2010, 12:36 PM
How are you coming up with your opinion of what a "fair price" is? You are probably not going to find an AK for $400 in a retail shop anywhere in the country. You can build one from a $100 parts kit, $100 barrel, $25 flat, $20 for rivets and center support, $30 for a US made G2 FCG, $10 for a US made PG, $10 for a US made slant brake and $60 to attend a build party. No garentee that you won't need to attend a second BP to finish up though.

Serbian
09-11-2010, 3:17 PM
How are you coming up with your opinion of what a "fair price" is? You are probably not going to find an AK for $400 in a retail shop anywhere in the country. You can build one from a $100 parts kit, $100 barrel, $25 flat, $20 for rivets and center support, $30 for a US made G2 FCG, $10 for a US made PG, $10 for a US made slant brake and $60 to attend a build party. No garentee that you won't need to attend a second BP to finish up though.

Im coming up with my price by what there worth. And actually i was looking at the cal guns sponsors today, on one of the sites i found a ca legal Draco for $399! and an actual CA legal AK rifle for around this price too!

halon101
09-11-2010, 3:25 PM
i dont like this guy

CSACANNONEER
09-11-2010, 3:26 PM
Im coming up with my price by what there worth. And actually i was looking at the cal guns sponsors today, on one of the sites i found a ca legal Draco for $399! and an actual CA legal AK rifle for around this price too!

Uh, OK. So, how are you deciding on what they are worth? Personally, I still think that they are only "worth" about $100 but, current market price is a bit more than that. Anyway, sure\, you can find a Ca legal (no PG) WASR for about $400. But, after shipping, tax, FFL fees, DROS, PG, PG screw and nut, a mag lock, grip wrap or MM and a couple mags, you're looking at $550ish or more. Anyway, good luck finding the $250 AKs of yester year.

Serbian
09-11-2010, 3:42 PM
Uh, OK. So, how are you deciding on what they are worth? Personally, I still think that they are only "worth" about $100 but, current market price is a bit more than that. Anyway, sure\, you can find a Ca legal (no PG) WASR for about $400. But, after shipping, tax, FFL fees, DROS, PG, PG screw and nut, a mag lock, grip wrap or MM and a couple mags, you're looking at $550ish or more. Anyway, good luck finding the $250 AKs of yester year.

I was offered an Ak once for 250, wasnt regestered or ca legal so i turned it down. and im sorry what is PG? And all of the mag locks and all that crap is already done. AND the Draco is classified as a hangun so do you have to be 21 to aquire one?

ZX-10R
09-11-2010, 3:48 PM
Riflegear and a one shop in SD should have them. Out the door total and it is $580ish for everything and fees.

CSACANNONEER
09-11-2010, 3:52 PM
So you are valuing legal firearms from information you have about illegal guns? Bad idea. They are two different things. A $250 illegal gun's worthis what you paid for it plus +$100,000 and several years in prison. Anyway, PG=pistol grip, "all that crap is already done" usually means that the seller went the cheap way and removed the PG. That's all that is required on most AK type rifles to make them Ca legal. Yet, if you want a PG or any other feature, you'll have to put a mag lock on it. The Dracos are handguns and sold as single shot target pistols. Yes, like any other handgun, you need to be 21 to purchase one and 18 to own one.

Shady
09-11-2010, 5:35 PM
i dont like this guy

hahahahahhahahaahhah me either

QQQ
09-11-2010, 5:46 PM
To the original poster:
I'd recommend getting a Saiga if you want a rifle (I have one now- it shoots cheap, range-safe yugo surplus like there's no tomorrow). If you want something that will stand out, go for the Draco (I'm looking for one now). Either one will run you about $400 plus fees (so ~$450-$500 total), and that's if you're lucky enough to find a decent price. And yes, to get the Draco or any other pistol here you have to come up with an additional proof of residency and be at least 21 years old.

Best of luck.

Serbian
09-11-2010, 11:12 PM
So you are valuing legal firearms from information you have about illegal guns? Bad idea. They are two different things. A $250 illegal gun's worthis what you paid for it plus +$100,000 and several years in prison. Anyway, PG=pistol grip, "all that crap is already done" usually means that the seller went the cheap way and removed the PG. That's all that is required on most AK type rifles to make them Ca legal. Yet, if you want a PG or any other feature, you'll have to put a mag lock on it. The Dracos are handguns and sold as single shot target pistols. Yes, like any other handgun, you need to be 21 to purchase one and 18 to own one.

21 to buy and 18 to own, how does that work? and CSACANNONEER, thank you for answering all my questions so far, big help.

Serbian
09-11-2010, 11:20 PM
Riflegear and a one shop in SD should have them. Out the door total and it is $580ish for everything and fees.

what store is that? i looked all over, and i thought rifle gear only had parts.

rdb241
09-12-2010, 7:04 AM
Guys....clear up here in Seattle, something smells real fishy in tuna town......This guy is trolling for who knows what

CSACANNONEER
09-12-2010, 7:34 AM
21 to buy and 18 to own, how does that work? and CSACANNONEER, thank you for answering all my questions so far, big help.

It's good to see thqat you are paying attention. No one said laws have to make sense. Just understand that there are other ways for an 18 year old to LEGALLY aquire a handgun besides purchasing one. Manufacturing and being given one by a parent or grandparent are the two most common ways. I've know LEOs under 21 who have been able to obtain personal handguns as well. I'm not sure how the guns were transfered though.

Serbian
09-12-2010, 9:39 AM
It's good to see thqat you are paying attention. No one said laws have to make sense. Just understand that there are other ways for an 18 year old to LEGALLY aquire a handgun besides purchasing one. Manufacturing and being given one by a parent or grandparent are the two most common ways. I've know LEOs under 21 who have been able to obtain personal handguns as well. I'm not sure how the guns were transfered though.

Hmm, thats interesting. does it have to be a family member that gives it to you, could a neighbor do it for me?

Shady
09-12-2010, 10:09 AM
no your neighbor cant buy it for you

bsg
09-12-2010, 10:58 AM
welcome to the forum. good to have an appraiser on board....

Serbian
09-12-2010, 11:11 AM
no your neighbor cant buy it for you

but a parent or grandparent can?

CSACANNONEER
09-12-2010, 1:30 PM
but a parent or grandparent can?

Only a parent or grand parent can.

Roccobro
09-12-2010, 7:13 PM
Only a parent or grand parent can.

Or legal aged child. :p

Justin

CSACANNONEER
09-12-2010, 7:19 PM
Or legal aged child. :p

Justin

True. I'm just wondering how someone between 18 and 21 could have legally adopted a child over 21. Thanks to Ray Stevens, I do understand how one can be his own grandpa though.

Serbian
09-12-2010, 10:08 PM
Or legal aged child. :p

Justin

so bottom line is it has to be family?

Roccobro
09-12-2010, 10:31 PM
Yes, not siblings or uncles. Only up and down the lineage tree. kid=>parent=>grandparent or any combo of these.

Justin

Serbian
09-12-2010, 10:43 PM
Yes, not siblings or uncles. Only up and down the lineage tree. kid=>parent=>grandparent or any combo of these.

Justin

that makes things a bit difficult... anyone trying to sell AKs? I guess anywhere from 400-500?

doctor_vals
09-12-2010, 10:53 PM
Just do search for AK - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/search.php?searchid=9799213

Roccobro
09-12-2010, 10:57 PM
that makes things a bit difficult... anyone trying to sell AKs? I guess anywhere from 400-500?

Not many. With the "cheap" Romanian "G" kits selling for $300-$350 (with barrel) your baseline cost for AK's will be in the $500+ range.

first option is a WASR-10. another option is getting a Saiga and converting it to AK status. Will cost you about the same as buying a decent CA legal AK after all is said and done.

Sadly, the era of cheap AK's are long gone. I was more upset when my precious SKS's were costing what an AK was a few years back. Market has adjusted since. :rolleyes:

Justin

doctor_vals
09-13-2010, 9:40 AM
Not many. With the "cheap" Romanian "G" kits selling for $300-$350 (with barrel) your baseline cost for AK's will be in the $500+ range.

first option is a WASR-10. another option is getting a Saiga and converting it to AK status. Will cost you about the same as buying a decent CA legal AK after all is said and done.

Sadly, the era of cheap AK's are long gone. I was more upset when my precious SKS's were costing what an AK was a few years back. Market has adjusted since. :rolleyes:

Justin

Yep,
a year ago I saw one guy at San Leandro range with REAL Russian AK (I check all stamps and even wood parts). I asked to sale that bad guy to me for 1 grand, and he answered that even for 2000 - he will keep it.

CSACANNONEER
09-13-2010, 6:12 PM
There's a SD AK Build Party being planned for Nov. You should contact ENTHUSIEST and see if there's any room left. If so, you could build your own rifle or pistol for around $500!!!!

Big Jake
09-13-2010, 8:08 PM
Welcome to the forum! :)

ENTHUSIAST
09-13-2010, 9:47 PM
Welcome to the forum Serbian. :D

If you want more info about building your own AK check here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=338982

diginit
09-13-2010, 10:33 PM
IMO. Something smells like dead fish. Did anyone ask if he was a citizen of the US before they told him how to get a gun?

destro360
09-13-2010, 11:15 PM
yeah not to be rude to the op if he is legit but the way this is it seems he is underage or fishing for something..... save your pennies and have your mom order one from henderson defense ;) or put up an ad in the wtb section looking for a ca legal ak that has something wrong wit it haha

247Nino
09-14-2010, 1:07 AM
:ban:

Serbian
09-14-2010, 9:36 AM
IMO. Something smells like dead fish. Did anyone ask if he was a citizen of the US before they told him how to get a gun?

I am a legal US citizen, I have a job here. I have been here a long time and I am 18.

K_Labs
09-14-2010, 12:44 PM
Well he said he wanted an AK not which caliber. :P https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/58317

Serbian
09-14-2010, 1:48 PM
Well he said he wanted an AK not which caliber. :P https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/58317

I didnt, but Im not looking for a .22, preferably one chambered for the 7.62x39 but a 5.45 will do.

doctor_vals
09-17-2010, 7:58 PM
Check this out - Romanian GP-WASR 10/63 7.62x39 Rifle (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CAKGPWASR&groupid=11)
As of right now - it is sold out, but you may ask if they will have some new.

FelixEstrella
10-20-2010, 7:28 PM
:ban:

Well ... remind me to never ask you for help.

Serbian
10-20-2010, 7:38 PM
Thanks everyone for your input, but im done with this for now. Cal Guns can you please lock this thread.