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NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 4:54 PM
So I'm picking up my SKS on the 15 and i was wondering how far i could go as to modifying it. Like pistol grips, and such.

darkest2000
09-08-2010, 5:09 PM
I would leave it alone. SKSs tend to work best without all the fancy doodat.

ledman
09-08-2010, 5:14 PM
I would leave it alone. SKSs tend to work best without all the fancy doodat.

+1 on that. Don't mess with a good thing already. If it Ain't broke, don't fix it. The SKS is a great shooting rifle without all the crap people want to modify them with. Ruins a good piece of history IMHO. If you want a rifle to add stuff too, think about an AK in 7.62x39.

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 5:15 PM
I was wondering about a removable mag if i took off the grenade launcher attacth.

bob7122
09-08-2010, 5:19 PM
sks cannot have a detachable mag in california last i read but be sure and double check

ledman
09-08-2010, 5:20 PM
I was wondering about a removable mag if i took off the grenade launcher attacth.

You can't have an SKS with a grenade launcher on in CA period, so if you have one, you better remove it and replace it with a CA compliant Muzzlebreak. IF you want a pistol grip with a detachable mag you will need a bullet button, and I am not sure if that is possible on a SKS in CA, and at that point, you can only have a 10 rd mag anyways, so no point in having a detachable mag IMO, as the fixed mag is 10 rounds already. if you want a removable mag, you cannot have a pistol grip without having a BB. There are certain laws about modifying an SKS from its original configuration, so be careful, follow the flow chart to make sure you are not creating a AW.

torquefliteterror
09-08-2010, 5:24 PM
you might want to read the cal doj site on that one, kinda tricky with an sks. i think the moment you make it detachable mag regardless of feature, they deem it an assault weapon.

sevensix2x51
09-08-2010, 5:25 PM
you might want to read the cal doj site on that one, kinda tricky with an sks. i think the moment you make it detachable mag regardless of feature, they deem it an assault weapon.

but that is for an sks. OP probably has a yugo, whateverthehelltheycallit.. m59/66? not an sks. but, im not going to prove it in court. i got mouths to feed.

pantera52
09-08-2010, 5:28 PM
I've found that my SKS's function 99.999% with all original parts. My SKS with a synthetic stock is so so.

ledman
09-08-2010, 5:28 PM
but that is for an sks. OP probably has a yugo, whateverthehelltheycallit.. m59/66? not an sks. but, im not going to prove it in court. i got mouths to feed.

Yeah, I think it only applies to Russian or Chinese SKS rifles, if you add a detachable mag, it makes them an AW in CA. I think you can do about anything you want to it, as long as it does not have a detachable mag on a Russian or Chinese SKS. I am not 100% on this, so make sure before you buy anything to mod your rifle.
I found this:
http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/contracosta/FaxAlerts/sksalert.shtml

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 5:36 PM
I was wondering about a removable mag if i took off the grenade launcher attacth.

Sounds like a Zastava 59/66. The Spigot should be deactivated or removed before it hit's CA. Yes it is the same as any other OLL, but I you will find it tough to get a detachable mag to work properly.

sks cannot have a detachable mag in california last i read but be sure and double check

True, but if the OP has a grenade spigot on his gun, then it's not an "SKS". The Zastava 59 and 59/66 do not say "SKS" anywhere on them.


You can't have an SKS with a grenade launcher on in CA period, so if you have one, you better remove it and replace it with a CA compliant Muzzlebreak. IF you want a pistol grip with a detachable mag you will need a bullet button, and I am not sure if that is possible on a SKS in CA, and at that point, you can only have a 10 rd mag anyways, so no point in having a detachable mag IMO, as the fixed mag is 10 rounds already. if you want a removable mag, you cannot have a pistol grip without having a BB. There are certain laws about modifying an SKS from its original configuration, so be careful, follow the flow chart to make sure you are not creating a AW.

Wrong on most points, but the first part is correct, but you can leave the muzzle bare if you like. If the OP decides to start adding "evil features" then he will need to play the 922r games for compliance parts. If the OP leaves the gun as "featureless" then he can use detachable duckbills and still be 100% legal.
If that gun was imported with the launcher, it is a destructive device per CA state law. More evil then your grandma's AW.

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 5:41 PM
Yeah, I think it only applies to Russian or Chinese SKS rifles, if you add a detachable mag, it makes them an AW in CA. I think you can do about anything you want to it, as long as it does not have a detachable mag on a Russian or Chinese SKS. I am not 100% on this, so make sure before you buy anything to mod your rifle.
I found this:
http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/contracosta/FaxAlerts/sksalert.shtml

Any rifle that says "SKS" cannot have detachable mags unless that gun has AW paperwork. Russian, Albanian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, or Romanian, it doesn't matter as long as it says "SKS"

Milsurps
09-08-2010, 5:43 PM
Some interesting SKS info:

http://victorinc.com/SKS-FAQ.html#_top

Some interesting California SKS info:

http://victorinc.com/SKS-FAQ.html#YUGO_CA_LEGAL_DISCUSS

I Love my SKS's Albanian and Yugo. Welcome to the fun club. :D

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 5:44 PM
Some interesting SKS info:

http://victorinc.com/SKS-FAQ.html#_top

Some interesting California SKS info:

http://victorinc.com/SKS-FAQ.html#YUGO_CA_LEGAL_DISCUSS

I Love my SKS's Albanian and Yugo. Welcome to the fun club. :D

Albanian's are sweet. The same as any others, but just different enough to know you got a special one.

ledman
09-08-2010, 5:44 PM
Sounds like a Zastava 59/66. The Spigot should be deactivated or removed before it hit's CA. Yes it is the same as any other OLL, but I you will find it tough to get a detachable mag to work properly.



True, but if the OP has a grenade spigot on his gun, then it's not an "SKS". The Zastava 59 and 59/66 do not say "SKS" anywhere on them.




Wrong on just about every point. If the OP decides to start adding "evil features" then he will need to play the 922r games for compliance parts. If the OP leaves the gun as "featureless" then he can use detachable duckbills and still be 100% legal.
If that gun was imported with the launcher, it is a destructive device per CA state law. More evil then your grandma's AW.

Well, that's why I said I was not sure. You know how stuff goes around, but why mess with it? There are so many other choice of rifles you can mod without pushing the limits and questioning the law every-time you turn around. I like my SKS rifles in there stock form, but that's just me. You youngsters like to mod everything, from your cars to your guns...us old guys like our stuff factory stock, lol. Thanks for putting me in my place though.;)

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 5:47 PM
Sounds like a Zastava 59/66. The Spigot should be deactivated or removed before it hit's CA. Yes it is the same as any other OLL, but I you will find it tough to get a detachable mag to work properly.



True, but if the OP has a grenade spigot on his gun, then it's not an "SKS". The Zastava 59 and 59/66 do not say "SKS" anywhere on them.




Wrong on most points, but the first part is correct, but you can leave the muzzle bare if you like. If the OP decides to start adding "evil features" then he will need to play the 922r games for compliance parts. If the OP leaves the gun as "featureless" then he can use detachable duckbills and still be 100% legal.
If that gun was imported with the launcher, it is a destructive device per CA state law. More evil then your grandma's AW.

I purchased it from big5, There is no law prohibiting a grenade launcher as long as it has a fixed magazine. If so could you please prove me wrong.

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 5:48 PM
Well, that's why I said I was not sure. You know how stuff goes around, but why mess with it? There are so many other choice of rifles you can mod without pushing the limits and questioning the law every-time you turn around. I like my SKS rifles in there stock form, but that's just me. You youngsters like to mod everything, from your cars to your guns...us old guys like our stuff factory stock, lol. Thanks for putting me in my place though.;)

Not putting anybody in their place, just want to make sure the correct info gets out.

I'm not really young, but I'm not old either. I have thought about modding a 59/66 for AK mags just because I can.

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 5:48 PM
Well, that's why I said I was not sure. You know how stuff goes around, but why mess with it? There are so many other choice of rifles you can mod without pushing the limits and questioning the law every-time you turn around. I like my SKS rifles in there stock form, but that's just me. You youngsters like to mod everything, from your cars to your guns...us old guys like our stuff factory stock, lol. Thanks for putting me in my place though.;)

I love the way that it looks stocks i was just curious, thinking about purchasing another it i like this one.

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 5:50 PM
I purchased it from big5, There is no law prohibiting a grenade launcher as long as it has a fixed magazine. If so could you please prove me wrong.


If you got that from Big 5, it's a Century gun and has a brake that weighs about 1 lb in the launchers place.

Here you go.
http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/zastava.php

ledman
09-08-2010, 5:52 PM
I purchased it from big5, There is no law prohibiting a grenade launcher as long as it has a fixed magazine. If so could you please prove me wrong.

WOW...you better read this then, note this part:

12301. (a) The term "destructive device," as used in this chapter, shall include any of the following weapons: (1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns. (2) Any bomb, grenade, explosive missile, or similar device or any launching device therefor.


http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12301.php

Yeah...launching device= Grenade LAUNCHER.

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 5:53 PM
Here you go.
http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/zastava.php

So how can these be purchased in CA, from a firearms dealer. It really makes no sense on how you can buy an illegal weapon.

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 5:54 PM
So how can these be purchased in CA, from a firearms dealer. It really makes no sense on how you can buy an illegal weapon.

I amended my post, the Big 5 guns have a brake, not the Grenade spigot.

Milsurps
09-08-2010, 5:57 PM
I purchased it from big5, There is no law prohibiting a grenade launcher as long as it has a fixed magazine. If so could you please prove me wrong.
How long ago? The current Yugos Big 5 sells has had the grenade launcher removed and replaced with a CA, approved muzzle break.

EBR Works
09-08-2010, 5:57 PM
Yep, if the OP is buying it from Big 5 in California, the grenade launcher is deactivated or replaced with a legal muzzle device.

sevensix2x51
09-08-2010, 5:57 PM
If you google a m59/66, you'll see the ones from other states are ribbed for your pleasure. The ca ones just have a giant worthless ingot growing off the end...

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 5:58 PM
They make SKS laws are really GD confusing!

ledman
09-08-2010, 5:58 PM
Does the end of your rifle look like this? If so, that is a GL my friend, and that is illegal in CA regardless of who/where you bought it from. Unless you want to be convicted of a felony, (I would remove it ASAP) and never be able to own firearms again, that is if you get caught with it, but thats up to you. I don't think Big5 is selling them with the GL attached are they??? I am sure it is just a Muzzle break, and you are just a little confused as to what they look like, you being new to SKS rifles I am assuming?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/closeup.jpg

IT"s possible they have this one installed on it, it looks VERY similar to the original, but IS legal in CA as it is not able to accept the Grenade onto the launcher.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/SKS6627_lg.jpg

Here is another style of Muzzle-break, this is the one that was on my 59/66 when I got it 5 years ago.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/ak47b.gif

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 5:59 PM
They make SKS GUN laws are really GD confusing!

Fixed it for you

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 6:02 PM
Fixed it for you

Thank you that looks MUCH better!

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 6:02 PM
Does the end of your rifle look like this? If so, that is a GL my friend, and that is illegal in CA regardless of who/where you bought it from. Unless you want to be convicted of a felony and never be able to own firearms again, that is if you get caught with it, but thats up to you. I don't think Big5 is selling them with the GL attached are they???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/closeup.jpg

We sold those at the last shop I worked at. I welded a small bead onto the spigot so a grenade would not fit at all. That was the closest you could get to a complete unaltered Zastava 59/66

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 6:02 PM
Does the end of your rifle look like this? If so, that is a GL my friend, and that is illegal in CA regardless of who/where you bought it from. Unless you want to be convicted of a felony, (I would remove it ASAP) and never be able to own firearms again, that is if you get caught with it, but thats up to you. I don't think Big5 is selling them with the GL attached are they??? I am sure it is just a Muzzle break, and you are just a little confused as to what they look like, you being new to SKS rifles I am assuming?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/closeup.jpg

It has holes in it i think he said its an "A1"?

SJgunguy24
09-08-2010, 6:04 PM
It has holes in it i think he said its an "A1"?


It will look more like this brake.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/052-1.jpg

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 6:05 PM
How long ago? The current Yugos Big 5 sells has had the grenade launcher removed and replaced with a CA, approved muzzle break.

I pick it up on the 15th.

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 6:06 PM
It will look more like this brake.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/052-1.jpg

Some what not such big holes and they are from bottom to top between grooves.

ledman
09-08-2010, 6:07 PM
It has holes in it i think he said its an "A1"?

OK, then it is NOT a GL in CA, so you are GTG on that aspect of it. Yeah, these gun laws are really confusing.:(

ledman
09-08-2010, 6:09 PM
Does the end of your rifle look like this? If so, that is a GL my friend, and that is illegal in CA regardless of who/where you bought it from. Unless you want to be convicted of a felony, (I would remove it ASAP) and never be able to own firearms again, that is if you get caught with it, but thats up to you. I don't think Big5 is selling them with the GL attached are they??? I am sure it is just a Muzzle break, and you are just a little confused as to what they look like, you being new to SKS rifles I am assuming?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/closeup.jpg

IT"s possible they have this one installed on it, it looks VERY similar to the original, but IS legal in CA as it is not able to accept the Grenade onto the launcher.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/SKS6627_lg.jpg

Here is another style of Muzzle-break, this is the one that was on my 59/66 when I got it 5 years ago.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ledman/ak47b.gif

Is it like the middle pic there?

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 6:10 PM
Is it like the middle pic there?

That's the one! Thanks guys big help on all these legality BS issues.

ledman
09-08-2010, 6:12 PM
That's the one! Thanks guys big help on all these legality BS issues.

Cool...I didn't think Big 5 would be selling them WITH a GL on them! Whew...I like shopping there and would hate to see them get into trouble with the DOJ and have their FFL license revoked.
GL with your SKS, and have fun shooting and modding it up. I have had 6 SKS rifles, and all of them were awesome. Had to sell them, you know...the recession thing.:eek::(

If you want, I have an SKS front sight tool I cannot use anymore as I sold all my SKS rifles as I mentioned...I am willing to GIVE it to you(no strings attached) and to ship it to you FREE of charge, just PM me your addy and I will get it out to you this weekend. They go for about $10-12 or so, so no biggie, really. It's yours if you want it.

Here is some websites where I bought some SKS parts for mine.
http://www.sksman.com/

http://www.buymilsurp.com/sks-rifle-parts-accessories-c-6.html

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/sks.html

http://www.parts4sks.com/

http://www.sks-rifles.com/

Info on SKS rifles
http://www.hk94.com/sks-rifle.php

http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/index.asp

dmax11
09-08-2010, 6:20 PM
if you got a century arms modified Yugo 59/66 it will look like mine that i got from big 5 and if you got it from big 5 then its definitely from century arms

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp33/Frito_023/IMG_20100904_155351.jpg

here is a close up i just took with my cell

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp33/Frito_023/IMG_20100908_191718.jpg

the good news is when i picked mine out all 4 of the Yugo's they had at my local store all appeared unissued and the one i chose was more than likely unissued because upon disassembly i could not find any signs of wear or anything just lots and lots of cosmoline to remove

NapaPlinker
09-08-2010, 6:37 PM
Cool...I didn't think Big 5 would be selling them WITH a GL on them! Whew...I like shopping there and would hate to see them get into trouble with the DOJ and have their FFL license revoked.
GL with your SKS, and have fun shooting and modding it up. I have had 6 SKS rifles, and all of them were awesome. Had to sell them, you know...the recession thing.:eek::(

If you want, I have an SKS front sight tool I cannot use anymore as I sold all my SKS rifles as I mentioned...I am willing to GIVE it to you(no strings attached) and to ship it to you FREE of charge, just PM me your addy and I will get it out to you this weekend. They go for about $10-12 or so, so no biggie, really. It's yours if you want it.

Here is some websites where I bought some SKS parts for mine.
http://www.sksman.com/

http://www.buymilsurp.com/sks-rifle-parts-accessories-c-6.html

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/sks.html

http://www.parts4sks.com/

http://www.sks-rifles.com/

Info on SKS rifles
http://www.hk94.com/sks-rifle.php

http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/index.asp

Thanks again ledman!

ledman
09-11-2010, 3:07 PM
Hey Napaplinker...your (FREE) SKS front sight tool is in the mail, check your PM's for more info.
Mike

chaseface
09-11-2010, 4:12 PM
I purchased it from big5, There is no law prohibiting a grenade launcher as long as it has a fixed magazine. If so could you please prove me wrong.

I've read the whole post so I know that you have it figured out by now but i would just like to say... you really thought that there was no law against a GRENADE LAUNCHER????? In CALIFORNIA??? hahahaha

OK sorry my moment of being a jerk is over. I know these SKS laws are tricky and I dont understand all the loopholes yet either but you gotta admitt thats funny.

NapaPlinker
09-11-2010, 4:22 PM
I knew there was a law against have a grenade launcher but its all really finicky. SKS laws are a lot more tricky than the AR15 laws in my opinion.

And Mike thanks a mil buddy! Im sure the sight adjuster will come to a great use!

CoolCalGunner
09-11-2010, 6:20 PM
Just replace those stock front & rear sights with William Aperture & Fire sight then you're GTG...