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paul0660
09-08-2010, 10:56 AM
I want to get the signal to my mom's house. It is 100 feet away, has a few trees in the way, and of course two exterior walls and some interior walls. My current router

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122269

is detected outside mom's house but not inside. I don't know anything about router alphabet soup, and won't be online gaming.

Thanks.

psssniper
09-08-2010, 11:24 AM
EnGenuis (http://www.engeniustech.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=88:indoor-access-points-client-bridges&id=283:80211g-high-power-600mw-wireless-access-point-bridge-repeater-router-with-poe&Itemid=122) from what I've heard from people that know. I have one but don't need the long distance.

JDay
09-08-2010, 2:27 PM
Get a pair of Linksys WRT54GL routers, flash DD-WRT onto them and get a pair of directional antennas. All you need to do then is setup one router to be a repeater, mount the directional antennas on the side of the house, plug them into one of the antenna ports on the routers and aim them.

JDay
09-08-2010, 2:30 PM
EnGenuis (http://www.engeniustech.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=88:indoor-access-points-client-bridges&id=283:80211g-high-power-600mw-wireless-access-point-bridge-repeater-router-with-poe&Itemid=122) from what I've heard from people that know. I have one but don't need the long distance.

The 600mW power output on those exceeds the max allowed by the FCC. You'd get more range with a high-gain antenna anyway. Not to mention that it probably wouldn't be able to pickup the other APs signal.

r3dn3ck
09-08-2010, 2:34 PM
Just find a high gain antennae for both sides. Around here it's as hard as walking into Fry's. http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/HGA7S

I've seen them at Best Buy too. A nice inexpensive solution. No drivers, no installing any software or configuring jack. Screw em on and enjoy.

JDay
09-08-2010, 2:42 PM
Just find a high gain antennae for both sides. Around here it's as hard as walking into Fry's. http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/HGA7S

That antenna will not work on the WRT series routers since they use a RP-TNC connector as opposed to an SMA. I'm also not sure that those high-gain antenna's will reach out 100' reliably or with a decent connection speed. Directional antenna's are the way to go for links over any distance. You don't even need to buy them if you have some pringles cans lying around. Just make sure you get the right connector for your routers and that your routers can use an external antenna. The router I mentioned above is a very good choice.

http://www.cantenna.com/

http://www.amazon.com/HyperLink-HyperGain-HG2414P-Directional-Antenna/dp/B000OQAA50

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/2155d5F9O4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

ETA: You will need two of these to plug that antenna into a Linksys WRT series router. I would also get longer cables so you can mount these outside.

http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-TEW-AMBA-RP-TNC-RP-SMA-adapter/dp/B000NZNTVE/ref=pd_sim_dbs_e_1

paul0660
09-08-2010, 4:23 PM
Thank you for those responses. I think they might be overkill, but some of that is because of my lack of understanding. I did some tests this pm using the current modem in its unoptimized location (under the desk). I found that I could connect at 1.3 mbps (wired gets 1.5) upstairs in mom's house on the side closest to my house, and .9 downstairs in her house on the same side. (modem is upstairs in my house). I get no connection upstairs on the other side of the house, 30 feet and a couple sheetrock walls away, which is where the office would be there. This was on a compaq laptop with internal antenna. Doesn't this mean I am pretty close to what I need already? If I optimized the modem location (by a window facing mom's house) and added an external antenna (if possible), then used an external antenna on the desktop in her office, might I be home free?

JDay
09-08-2010, 9:08 PM
Whatever you do you're going to need to replace that router, it is not made for range. You might be able to get away with using a wrt-54gl and some high gain antennas though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190

http://www.amazon.com/802-11g-9dBi-OMNI-Directional-High-Gain-Adapters/dp/B002DGE62M

paul0660
09-08-2010, 9:15 PM
JDay, shouldn't I be looking for a b/g/n compatible router?

JDay
09-08-2010, 9:18 PM
No, N doesn't have nearly the range that B and G do. The WRT series of Linksys routers are also time proven to be a reliable solution, especially once you flash dd-wrt onto them.

armygunsmith
09-08-2010, 9:18 PM
Get a pair of Linksys WRT54GL routers, flash DD-WRT onto them and get a pair of directional antennas. All you need to do then is setup one router to be a repeater, mount the directional antennas on the side of the house, plug them into one of the antenna ports on the routers and aim them.

This is your best, most economical way to go. The routers he mentioned are G capable routers. I have used a similar setup more than once. The cantennas are sweet. Sometimes you can get away with only using one.

badhabit90
09-08-2010, 9:20 PM
just get a "N" router and you should be good. you can find them as cheap as 50 bucks.

here... (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3399781&csid=_21)

and get a "N" adapter

here... (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5650962)

i have this and works great so far....

here... (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6052480&Sku=L48-2774)

it helped my range problem. and i came from a wrt54g router...linksys to be exact.

paul0660
09-09-2010, 7:56 AM
What I got from this:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/webmaster_hardware/3906260.htm

and some other reading indicates that n does have longer range, but only in clear line of sight applications because its higher freq is more easily blocked by obstructions. I am going to fool around with locations and a remote antenna for the receiving computer.

I forgot to mention that I do want to maintain omni coverage in the first house, which is fine. On a linksys with dual antenna, can one be the original omni and one converted to a high gain directional, or do they work together and have to be matched?

five.five-six
09-09-2010, 8:39 AM
dig a trench and run fiber

Corbin Dallas
09-09-2010, 8:55 AM
Get a pair of Linksys WRT54GL routers, flash DD-WRT onto them and get a pair of directional antennas. All you need to do then is setup one router to be a repeater, mount the directional antennas on the side of the house, plug them into one of the antenna ports on the routers and aim them.


This is your best bet.


N-Draft or Wireless-N routers do not have the power to go long distance through walls, trees, etc...

paul0660
09-09-2010, 9:24 AM
Ok I am getting used to the idea of two WRT54GL routers with DD-WRT. Here is what I don't know:

If I mount one directional antenna on router A, will the other original omni antenna still serve my house, which is mainly in the opposite direction of the directional service? I get excellent house coverage with the current Netgear.

Can router B, the repeater (?) sit anywhere, powered but not hardwired to the computer? In that case the first question still stands.....does the original omni antenna serve the second house while the new directional antenna solely connects with router A?

Thanks, very interesting stuff for a newb, especially as the technology is "advancing" so quickly.

badhabit90
09-09-2010, 7:42 PM
This is your best bet.


N-Draft or Wireless-N routers do not have the power to go long distance through walls, trees, etc...


then what is the use for the N routers?? if not more range??

paul0660
09-09-2010, 9:15 PM
then what is the use for the N routers?? if not more range??

A cynic might say they just want to create a new market for the latest and greatest. As I mentioned, n has greater range in clear line of sight (some say five times), but the higher frequency is more prone to interference from obstacles.

Anyway, I moved my router to a better spot so it is now nearly line of sight from my upstairs window to her upstairs window, with a couple eucalyptus in between, and I get from 30 to 80 percent strength throughout her house on my laptop with internal antenna. I have a usb antenna coming

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704045

with extra cable and have high hopes for a well placed antenna, with perhaps some home made directional add on, doing the trick.

My el cheapo netgear router is doing very well...but it IS only 100 feet and change.

badhabit90
09-09-2010, 10:31 PM
so should i mount my router in my hallway to get better reception since it is in one of my rooms?? i had signal issues with my g router even with high gain antennas. i couldnt get reception in my garage and its only about 35 ft away. grrrr.....

JDay
09-11-2010, 8:53 PM
Ok I am getting used to the idea of two WRT54GL routers with DD-WRT. Here is what I don't know:

If I mount one directional antenna on router A, will the other original omni antenna still serve my house, which is mainly in the opposite direction of the directional service? I get excellent house coverage with the current Netgear.

I'd put one directional antenna on each router and aim them at each other, the omnidirectional antenna will still serve your house.

Can router B, the repeater (?) sit anywhere, powered but not hardwired to the computer? In that case the first question still stands.....does the original omni antenna serve the second house while the new directional antenna solely connects with router A?

You can place it anywhere you want so long as you can still connect the directional antenna.

Thanks, very interesting stuff for a newb, especially as the technology is "advancing" so quickly.

Anytime.

paul0660
09-17-2010, 11:53 AM
The project is finished. I mounted my Netgear router on an upstairs window frame of house 1, and got a 15 ft extension for the antenna I got from Newegg to get the antenna as close as possible to the router, while being in the same room. So, the signal is going through the window, a few trees, 100 feet, and then the exterior wall and two interior walls in house 2. Signal is 15-16 db, varies between "good" and "very good" with the TP Link client, is called "low" by windows client, and download rates are virtually identical to my wired service. Very happy, and except for some noobyness (somehow the router password got changed and I didn't know it), setup and connecting was quick.

I might eventually get the antenna up in the attic to see if it improves reception, but it is working very adequately now.

CGT80
09-17-2010, 2:19 PM
I would have just strung some cat5e over to the other house. If I remember correctly you can run up to 100 meters with cat5. Or, do you live across a street from her?

I'm glad the wireless worked for you.

rkba707
09-22-2010, 11:39 PM
Congratulations on the wireless shot!

I have done a few long(ish) distance shots too. I've got this set up I'm itching to try out...

a tech tried using them new out of the box for an emergency setup a while back. Gave up after 10 minutes. --pfft. i spent more time then that making the mounts :-/

anyway, I'm interested in playing with them, but haven't found a purpose yet.

engenius --they are wireless bridges. they talk to each other and plug into the routers on either end, or even just switches.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/C7inCA/engenius.jpg