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Ub3rDorK
09-07-2010, 5:33 PM
So im thinking of getting a Savage Edge or 111 in .223 or .243 for some longer range paper punching? is this wishfull thinking? Or would i be better off getting something in a 308?

If i do any hunting it would be for wild pig.... Deer? not so much if ever i dont see it any time in my future.

Rogu3
09-07-2010, 5:34 PM
243 winchester would be better, in the wind at least. i'd go 7-08 all the way.

CSACANNONEER
09-07-2010, 5:38 PM
.223 out to 600 yards.
.243 will be good to at least 1000 yards.

Rogu3
09-07-2010, 5:39 PM
What bullets would you use for 243?

CSACANNONEER
09-07-2010, 5:42 PM
What bullets would you use for 243?

I suggest starting with something with a dia. of .243.:p

ocabj
09-07-2010, 5:45 PM
Before you guys blindly recommend .243 for 1000 yards, you need to indicate that twist rate is critical, since most factory .243 Winchester rifles will have a twist rate too slow to shoot heavy 6mm bullets necessary for 1K.

Rogu3
09-07-2010, 5:46 PM
Aha! Brilliant!
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Seriously, what weights?

EDIT:
Before you guys blindly recommend .243 for 1000 yards, you need to indicate that twist rate is critical, since most factory .243 Winchester rifles will have a twist rate too slow to shoot heavy 6mm bullets necessary for 1K.


I observed that as well, beware?

Ub3rDorK
09-07-2010, 5:46 PM
well the savage edge has a 1:9 twist... so im assuming its variable with 55-75 grain?

shooting4life
09-07-2010, 5:47 PM
If the savage has a fast twist I would get the 223 and shoot the 75gr + bullets and have great barrel life.

frankm
09-07-2010, 5:50 PM
Well, fer 308, if'n you wanna shoot longer than 300-400 yards, yer gonna want it'. Fer pig killin' I mean.

Ub3rDorK
09-07-2010, 6:00 PM
ok im going by what i see most of (easy access) to 55gr 223...its what i shoot with my AR. So i think i may just bump up to a 308

cmaher55
09-07-2010, 9:55 PM
I'd say .308 for sure. Ammo is cheaper and more plentiful than .243. You can shoot mil surp for practice and the good stuff when you want to tighten your group. I shoot .308 at 200 to 500 meters all the time and it does very well. I like .223 for 300 meters or less, longer I use my .308. Regards

DirtRacer151
09-07-2010, 10:03 PM
DON'T BUY A SAVAGE!!!

Opps...wrong thread :D

plug_nickle
09-08-2010, 7:01 AM
6.5 flavor, you will be much happier in the long run.

.260 Rem
6.5 Creedmoor
6.5-284
6.5br

Flouncer
09-08-2010, 7:24 AM
.243 Savage.

For a few dollars more......

Better triggers and stocks are available. Option of changing barrels/chambers later with the Savage.

Their 7-08 is to slow a twist to stabilize heavier bullets......... :confused:

rksimple
09-08-2010, 7:41 AM
The twist rate of the Savage in 243 is not fast enough to stabilize the best 6mm bullets. Some guys have luck with the 105 Amaxes pushed fast, but I wouldn't count on it in all atmospheric conditions. For paper punching, I have a Savage 12fv in 223 that I run with 75gr Amaxes at about 2850. Does well to 800 yards. But that would definitely be lacking for pigs.

For long range paper punching, you're going to want a longer, heavier contour barrel than one that would be ideal for hunting. If you end up getting serious about long range shooting and/or competitions, I don't recommend a Savage. Go with a 700 if you see that in the future.

Rogu3
09-09-2010, 9:36 AM
Their 7-08 is to slow a twist to stabilize heavier bullets......... :confused:

Definitely not getting a savage now. Even though i'd go 7x57 AI instead.

maddoggie13
09-09-2010, 9:40 AM
Go with 308...

SixPointEight
09-09-2010, 9:43 AM
The twist rate of the Savage in 243 is not fast enough to stabilize the best 6mm bullets. Some guys have luck with the 105 Amaxes pushed fast, but I wouldn't count on it in all atmospheric conditions. For paper punching, I have a Savage 12fv in 223 that I run with 75gr Amaxes at about 2850. Does well to 800 yards. But that would definitely be lacking for pigs.



The wind is probably a large factor at 800 yards, but yout AMAX bullets pushed that fast should be supersonic to about 1100 yards, have you tried taking it to 1k?

Only reason I ask is because I'm debating between a 700sps, 10fp, and 12fv for some long range .223 work.

To the OP. For purely paper punching, I'd go .223. Cheaper to shoot, and at the ranges you stated it won't be hard to deal with wind. As for the hunting aspect, if you plan to shoot something at 300-400 yards, go with the .308. If you'll be shooting things at less than 150 yards, .223 will be fine.

ZX-10R
09-09-2010, 9:51 AM
.223 is fine as my Remy XR100 was chambered in that...However, at 400yrds or great I would have to compensate for a lot of wind...So it depends where you shoot. Hunting? Not sure if I would go .223 as I am told and I am not willing to pay and find out.

ar15barrels
09-09-2010, 11:30 AM
Before you guys blindly recommend .243 for 1000 yards, you need to indicate that twist rate is critical, since most factory .243 Winchester rifles will have a twist rate too slow to shoot heavy 6mm bullets necessary for 1K.

That's why there are Hornady 105gr Amax's.
They will shoot in most 1:9 twist factory barrels.

Rob454
09-09-2010, 1:08 PM
So im thinking of getting a Savage Edge or 111 in .223 or .243 for some longer range paper punching? is this wishfull thinking? Or would i be better off getting something in a 308?

If i do any hunting it would be for wild pig.... Deer? not so much if ever i dont see it any time in my future.

So you plan on shooting wild boar at 800-1000 yards? Wow that sort of hunting is about as much fun as taking a crap. Think if it this way you wont even have to leave your camp site:D. IMO once you get into long range rifle shooting you are NOT looking at anything that remotely resembles a regular hunting rifle. I doubt most people who put the kind of money required to get a 1000 yard rifle will go out and trek through woods/nature to go kill a deer or boar with a 1500-3500$ rifle. Besides have you ever ran around with a heavy barrel rifle for hours on end? I think youll end up doing it once maybe twice.

if you want a good hunting rifle get a 308 or 30-06 7mm mag, 30-30 270 etc. and go have fun hunting and dont worry abotu a scratch or ding on it.

if you want a long range sniper type rifle that will hit a target at 1000 yards prepare for some decent money to be spent and to at least start reloading.