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Rogu3
09-03-2010, 10:50 AM
....doesn't anyone (that i can find) make TRUE mid length DGIS gas systems in their kits? Seems like they all just slap a long handguard over the old tube and a new gas block.

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 10:52 AM
huh? which kits are you talking about?

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 10:53 AM
Guess i should have said AR15, my bad.

Thought DGIS would be a clue

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 10:57 AM
what about ARs? i know what DGIS is, i'm not sure what you mean by kits that aren't true midlengths?

tomd1584
09-03-2010, 10:59 AM
are you talking about a midlength complete upper receiver?

BCM, Daniel Defense, CMMG, any others sell a Midlength system.

X-NewYawker
09-03-2010, 11:02 AM
???????

CHS
09-03-2010, 11:03 AM
No clue what you're getting at.

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:04 AM
16" barrel, 9" handguard and longer sight radius:

Mid Length (http://www.alansamuel.com/sabremid.jpg)


Carbine (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/AR-15_Sporter_SP1_Carbine.JPG)

tomd1584
09-03-2010, 11:12 AM
16" barrel, 9" handguard and longer sight radius:

Mid Length (http://www.alansamuel.com/sabremid.jpg)


Carbine (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/AR-15_Sporter_SP1_Carbine.JPG)


so what is the question? We know what a Midlength and a Carbine is.

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:13 AM
DId you READ the first post???


Sorry jeez, seems like a simple question...

CHS
09-03-2010, 11:15 AM
DId you READ the first post???


Sorry jeez, seems like a simple question...

Yes. And you're not making ANY sense.

You posted a picture of exactly a midlength gas system upper with a true midlength gas tube and block and handguards.

What. Exactly. Is your point?

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 11:16 AM
DId you READ the first post???


Sorry jeez, seems like a simple question...


if you're asking why no1 makes a real midlength with a true midlength gas system as well as sight radius, which is what im assuming out of your first post, many manufacturers do.

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:16 AM
....doesn't anyone (that i can find) make TRUE mid length DGIS gas systems in their kits? Seems like they all just slap a long handguard over the old tube and a new gas block.


...

CHS
09-03-2010, 11:17 AM
...

WHAT KITS?!

Seriously man, start getting specific. You're being far too vague for anyone to take you seriously.

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 11:20 AM
WHAT KITS?!

Seriously man, start getting specific. You're being far too vague for anyone to take you seriously.

i think he's just a new guy who has no idea how to put together an ar-15 so he's looking for a ready made kit to make his lower into a midlength gun

rogu3- get a midlength upper, bcg, ch, lower, lower parts kit, and buttstock assembly, and theres your kit

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:21 AM
Model1 sales, MA parts etc.

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:21 AM
rogu3- get a midlength upper, bcg, ch, lower, lower parts kit, and buttstock assembly, and theres your kit


For an extra $500

RRichie09
09-03-2010, 11:22 AM
DId you READ the first post???


Sorry jeez, seems like a simple question...

If no one understands what you are talking about, then maybe it's you? Just a thought haha.


For an extra $500

You gotta pay to play. Mid-lengths are relatively new from what I understand. I still don't understand the point of this thread. Are you just venting or asking for suggestions on where to buy a mid-length kit for cheap?

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 11:22 AM
For an extra $500

you're probably gonna end up with a lot better quality than M1S though, and i bet it won't be an extra $500.

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:25 AM
You gotta pay to play. Mid-lengths are relatively new from what I understand. I still don't understand the point of this thread. Are you just venting or asking for suggestions on where to buy a mid-length kit for cheap?

Wow, someone gets it.

stphnman20
09-03-2010, 11:26 AM
I'm lost...

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 11:27 AM
lower parts kit- http://www.marksarmory.com/50722.html
get the daniel defense, theres $80
upper- http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16.htm $385
get the special, bcm bcg and ch, thats another $135
handguards, probably $20 or so
stock kit- http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/M4-Stock-Milspec-p/stock%20m4%20milspec%20black.htm $65

there your kit, total of about $685 and will last you decades longer than your M1S kit

definitely not $500 dollars more unless a M1S kit costs $185 dollars, even then i wouldn't buy one

RRichie09
09-03-2010, 11:28 AM
Wow, someone gets it.

Calm down, getting upset at people because they don't understand you and then implying they lack reading comprehension skills is not a very good way of asking for help.

Everyone who has posted here has every intention to help you, you just need to clarify what you are exactly asking for.


I think mid-length gas systems are not really something people who want a cheap ar are interested in. I'm selling my mid-length upper 16" Middy for sale (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=338716) (shameless plug), but its not cheap.

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:29 AM
lower parts kit- http://www.marksarmory.com/50722.html
get the daniel defense, theres $80
upper- http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16.htm $385
get the special, bcm bcg and ch, thats another $135
handguards, probably $20 or so
stock kit- http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/M4-Stock-Milspec-p/stock%20m4%20milspec%20black.htm $65

there your kit, total of about $685 and will last you decades longer than your M1S kit


Extra 100, sounds good..... good job


EDIT: to above, it's sweet, but pricey. besides i want a gun to shoot, and add parts along the way depending on my wallet size.

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 11:30 AM
Calm down, getting upset at people because they don't understand you and then implying they lack reading comprehension skills is not a very good way of asking for help.

Everyone who has posted here has every intention to help you, you just need to clarify what you are exactly asking for.


I think mid-length gas systems are not really something people who want a cheap ar are interested in. I'm selling my mid-length upper 16" Middy for sale (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=338716) (shameless plug), but its not cheap.

dude i couldn't post in your sales thread but nice upper, almost the same set up i have except for the SS bcm barrel

RRichie09
09-03-2010, 11:36 AM
dude i couldn't post in your sales thread but nice upper, almost the same set up i have except for the SS bcm barrel

I initially ordered the SS barrel, but decided on C/L for this one and was going to go SS on a 18" upper, but it seems like I'll be getting a shotgun to go sket shooting instead.


How come you can't post on my thread?

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 11:42 AM
Oh, reason for posting? M1S shows mid-length handguards, underneath the rail forearm you can see a micro gas block.....Seems pretty lame of them.

Roccobro
09-03-2010, 12:10 PM
M1S is pretty lame.

Justin

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 12:11 PM
M1S is pretty lame.

Justin


I'll make a point of avoiding them then.

wash
09-03-2010, 12:15 PM
This is the first I've heard of that.

Some people do that with a rifle length hand guard over a midlength or carbine gas system.

Is this your first AR?

I would suggest that you take some of the advise here and spend a few dollars more than the lowest bidder.

BCM>>M1S

CHS
09-03-2010, 12:18 PM
Model1 sales, MA parts etc.

So in other words you're just mad that the low-end garbage you're looking at doesn't make a midlength when in reality there are tons of kit-makers out there that have midlengths of reasonable quality.

You're doing a very poor quality job of making any friends around here.

Del-ton makes low-end kits available in a midlength.

Kits are usually a poor way to go anyways. Just buy the parts as-needed and build up a higher quality gun. All you need is:

1.) Lower receiver
2.) L.P.K.
3.) Buttstock assembly.
4.) Complete upper.
5.) Bullet button/Raddlock, magazine.

Even if you buy a "kit" you'll still need to get the lower, bullet button, and magazine separately. That leaves you with a buttstock assembly, L.P.K., and complete upper.

So just put together your own kit.

Rogu3
09-03-2010, 12:19 PM
Is this your first AR?

Indeed, wobbling between carbine or 20" varmint.

stix213
09-03-2010, 1:07 PM
This thread is hysterical... never seen a thread here that took until post #20 just for the OP to get his real question out in an intelligible manner.... finally

freonr22
09-03-2010, 1:13 PM
hey Rogu3 here some decent reading material ... hope it helps on selecting your equipment

please take 15 mins and reads these Quote:
Originally Posted by tomd1584 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=4824090#post4824090)
knowledge base threads (http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=75251&postcount=1)


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/wink.gif

Originally Posted by SHIVAN http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=71687#post71687)
Full-auto carriers in semi-auto rifles (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=14534)

Barrels 101 (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=756)

Forge Marks (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=5357)

Carbine Stock Staking {Comparison} (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6994)

Bolt Carrier Staking {Comparison} (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6993)

Unclassified SOPMOD .pdf (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=3510)

HD extractor springs & Crane O-rings (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=435)

Buffers & Springs (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6827)

Staking Bolt Carrier Key Screws (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=5063)

Bolt Failures (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=3807)

Buffer Tube Basics (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=101)

After you pull the trigger... (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=94)

Upper Receiver Flex Testing - Part One (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=57)

Rear Detent Fix (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=4837)

M4 Feedramps (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=193)

Short Stroking (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=138)

Gas Port Sizes (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=1481)

LTC Santose Improved Battlesight Zero (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7292)

Why 4150 CVM barrel steel? (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7263)

Fighting ARs and front sights.... (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6709)

Comparison Chart of Major AR Brands (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642)
"Oh No! I bought a BM/RRA/Stag before I knew better!" (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376)

specific to your question

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...=5&output=html (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&single=true&gid=5&output=html)
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http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-Upper-Receiver-Groups-s/1.htm

or

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=324483&highlight=%24235

tomd1584
09-03-2010, 2:58 PM
Oh, reason for posting? M1S shows mid-length handguards, underneath the rail forearm you can see a micro gas block.....Seems pretty lame of them.

I think I've determined what the OP Is actually trying to ask.

OP, are you asking why companies put longer handguards like 9", 10", 11", 12", 13.3", 14" over a carbine-length gas system?


I cant find what exactly what you're talking about on M1S' website, but the idea of putting a longer rail (like 10" or 12" for example) over a micro carbine-length gas system is not unusual........

you get several advantages:
1. increased sight radius
2. longer forward grip
3. more picatinny real estate (if you get a railed handguard)


If this is the case, man, you sure made it freakin' difficult.

-Tom

mydogsmonkey
09-03-2010, 8:58 PM
I initially ordered the SS barrel, but decided on C/L for this one and was going to go SS on a 18" upper, but it seems like I'll be getting a shotgun to go sket shooting instead.


How come you can't post on my thread?

new marketplace rules, only seller can bump his thread