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harley66
05-11-2006, 8:49 PM
I have read several "what if questions" here. Well, here is mine.

first = how many "off list lowers do you think are in CA right now??
second = What "IF" DOJ posted a 90 day window - then ALL Lowers would be listed and everyone one would have to pay a "one time fee of {lets say} $100.00 per lower. How many more lowers would come into CA and Times that by $100.00, how much do you think the DOJ would make???

Satex
05-11-2006, 8:52 PM
All yaal's folks need to quit thinking in "how much money the DOJ make" terms. The DOJ does not work on commission, nor are they a "for profit" organization. The fees pay for operations cost recovery. They do not have a financial incentive like proper taxes are to local and state officials.

AS45-70
05-11-2006, 8:54 PM
$100 per lower, thats crazy.

How about $10 each that way every Californian who wants them can buy TEN and they still get there $100.

It would be worth it if they opened up registration for OLLs.

swift
05-11-2006, 9:25 PM
I agree that this is a crazy idea. However, if the DOJ wanted to limit the number of lowers in CA, charging an inordinate fee of $50-100/lower to register would address the problem. Not that I think this would be fair or legal. However, it was interesting to me that when I talked to someone at LCW, he told me that there is a 10% (or was it $100?) tax on complete rifles. What if we were made to pay that tax for registering a lower since the intent would be to build?

natrab
05-12-2006, 7:21 AM
The DOJ isn't officially "for-profit," but they know that the more money they take in, the more they have to go after our semi-auto handguns...:(

Benellishooter
05-12-2006, 7:26 AM
Wow that is a great idea. But, it does not go far enough. They could also charge us:

$50 tax for breathing California air
$75 tax for allowing us to keep our own home (oops. they already do that)
$85 for allowing us to have children, wives, husbands

Get the drift?

AS45-70
05-12-2006, 3:12 PM
purhaps the poster ment the state of CA budget.

Anyway, to get what we want i dont think its unreasonable to pay for it.

Wouldnt you pay $10 or so to register each lower and be able to keep the detachable mag or current pinned mag versons we want. Its a good solution given what the DOJ really wants, which is a perm affixed mag. Perm meaning welded, they dont want to allow the pinned mags because they feel its to easy to make it detachable.

In a perfect world we should get what we want without paying, but the world aint perfect. If it takes $10 bucks a lower to get it the way i like it so be it.

I dont think the posters idea is that crazy providing he meant the state buget.

harley66
05-14-2006, 2:27 PM
I pay $100 every two years for my CCW and Glad to pay it.... Ya, it should be free, but what is free in this world... Nada

Jicko
05-14-2006, 3:14 PM
Just like everything else, it COST to live in the PRK!!!!

I think, all they need to do is snap a ridiculous amount for the registration, then that itself will eliminate a LOT of their so-call-AW....

Say $100 or $200 or $300 per lower... (yes it is bad... but it is a way...)

If people refused to register(or to prove that they have sold or removed the lower), they can go back to all the DROS entries and seek those people out...

Benellishooter
05-14-2006, 4:08 PM
You guys need help. You are describing a totalitarian police state where rights are bought and sold. You guys misunderstand the entire role of government. Maybe this is why we are in the position we are in now.

Would you pay the government so that you had the right to have children? It is none of their business.

The whole idea is sick.

dhl
05-14-2006, 4:40 PM
OK, part one, 'off-list tax stamp'!

Part two, the government already pay's us to have kids - it's a tax credit.

Part three, eliminate the tax credit and let us have all the lowers we want.

What do you think?

You guys need help. You are describing a totalitarian police state where rights are bought and sold. You guys misunderstand the entire role of government. Maybe this is why we are in the position we are in now.

Would you pay the government so that you had the right to have children? It is none of their business.

The whole idea is sick.

Benellishooter
05-14-2006, 4:52 PM
They don't pay you to have kids. They just choose to steal a little less of your money during a given year.

I eagerly look forward to the impending financial collapse of the imposter that is called America. America is a nation of thieves. Too cowardly to actually steal for themselves, the majority of Americans go to the ballot box to vote themselves some of their neighbor's wealth.

In a free country you:

Can't force others to pay for your medicine (no medicare, gov't subsidies)
Can't force others to pay for your retirement (no socialism security)
Can't force property owners to school your children.
Don't have a gov't that charges you to exercise rights (stupid gun stamp)
Don't have to pay to live in your home (property tax)
Don't have to give over half your income to the gov't.

I could go on and on. Most people are too stupid to even realize they are slaves in a facist country that was once free. Even stupider ones call for more government domination.

PanzerAce
05-14-2006, 4:59 PM
You guys need help. You are describing a totalitarian police state where rights are bought and sold. You guys misunderstand the entire role of government. Maybe this is why we are in the position we are in now.

Would you pay the government so that you had the right to have children? It is none of their business.

The whole idea is sick.

I agree with every single word in that statement. If they make me pay anything more than what was payed for the other AW registrations (which covered admin costs), then I will NOT register my lowers.

tcrpe
05-14-2006, 5:56 PM
I agree that this is a crazy idea. However, if the DOJ wanted to limit the number of lowers in CA, . . . . . . .


They would simply list them.

So you have to ask yourself, "what is it that they want?"

PanzerAce
05-14-2006, 6:04 PM
They would simply list them.

So you have to ask yourself, "what is it that they want?"


rather, it is: "what is it that they DONT want"

They dont want to seem like they dont know how to do their jobs. As such, they cant go to the Leg, they cant do anything really public, and if they list, it will go public. So they are trying their hardest to CYA

harley66
05-14-2006, 6:16 PM
We do Not live in a free state nor do we really live in a free country. Our goverment trys to control most of what we do. In fact this Forum controls what we can say here by editing out post - My last post was edited becuase they did not like what I had to say - Just like DOJ - they/the state make the rules we have to live by, like it or not. I am not really complaining to Calguns.net - just making a point - We are controled by Big Brother even here.... We think we have freedom of the speech - only if the people watching agree with what we say....