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kenc9
05-10-2006, 5:31 PM
First M1 Carbine I ever owned, I paid 450.00 for it...What do you think? Standard Products maker in pretty good shape, mirror bore, wood very nice.
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kenc9
05-10-2006, 5:33 PM
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kenc9
05-10-2006, 5:35 PM
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kenc9
05-10-2006, 5:37 PM
Here are the last two, sorry for the dark ones.
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stevie
05-10-2006, 5:38 PM
You paid 450 for that!!! I hate you!! They should arrest you... Hey i'll take that SVT off your hands so you can make bail..

kenc9
05-10-2006, 5:44 PM
I was told these go for 600.00 and upwards...Sorry not selling, I did get a 1904 Swede in near perfect condition I am going to sell though?

-ken

stevie
05-10-2006, 5:54 PM
Upwards in the case of the M1, you did REALLY well.

Fate
05-10-2006, 8:25 PM
Definitely a steal.

I'm far from an expert, but it looks to be a restored rifle that once went thru a private contractor rework. The STD PROD RWH stamp signifies that it went thru such a rebuild postwar. My Rockola went thru a similar "private contractor" retrofit (Underwood) and they really didn't do much more than replace the rear sight, front barrel band and the safety.

The rear flip sight on yours, while it looks like a real one, doesn't match the finish and wear pattern of the receiver. I'd like to see pics of the top of the receiver where it meets up with the rear sight. I would expect to see hints of past peenings remaining on the edge of the receiver's sight dovetail.

Barrel is likely original. Trigger housing too (well at least it's correct).

I'd also look closely for a "shadow" on the barrel where a Type3 barrel band with bayonet lug would have covered/shielded part of the barrel from wear. Your front barrel band may also be a repro. Some professional eyes needed there (Jousters or battlerifles are good places).

Your sling looks to be a repro. The color is wrong, buckle too wide and the stamps are too new. :rolleyes:

Still, a "restored, correct" M1 Carbine is worth a bit more than the typical rework mixmasters (if the replaced parts are not repros, then it's worth even more). Typical rework mixmasters are running $700 and up (more up). So yeah, the $900 I told you on the phone...probably right in there.

Congrats...these are a hell of a lot of fun to shoot.

kenc9
05-10-2006, 9:23 PM
Thanks Rex...Thats what I needed to know! I'll know all about these and this one by the time I am done :) I really bought it because it had a nice bore and it seemed tight.

I need ammo! What is the best ammo for this and the SVT...Rex?
I don't need the best stuff just decent...

-ken

Fate
05-10-2006, 11:24 PM
A lot of SVT40 owners report success with heavy ball. I shoot Wolf in mine, but that's because cleaning them for corrosive ammo is a bit of a pain compared to a bolt action rifle. Cycles great on 1.3. I don't really like the Olympic.

M1 Carbine ammo: Georgia Arms Canned Heat is good stuff and not that expensive. They also sell soft point for hunting. Works good for the 2-legged kind too. PriviPartisan is decent as well as AmericanEagle. Wolf carbine might wear your extractor with it's steel case. I've not shot it, but it seems ok from what I've heard. Most surplus ammo is noncorrosive. Korean is some of the best. M1 Carbines really aren't that picky with what they eat. :D

kenc9
05-11-2006, 7:20 AM
Thanks for the help Rex, I read that "STD PROD RWH stamp " meant the work was done by S.P. but who ever did the rebuild as most M1's Carbine or Garand were normally rebuilt several times.

I can't wait to get to the range, now I have a AR...AK...SVT and a M1 to try out :) Got to get this ammo ordered.

-ken

kenc9
05-11-2006, 7:27 AM
Most surplus ammo is noncorrosive. Korean is some of the best. M1 Carbines really aren't that picky with what they eat. :D

Did you mean to say corrosive here? Or is the ammo for the M1 really noncorrosive?

-ken

maxicon
05-11-2006, 8:52 AM
Most M1 carbine ammo is non-corrosive. There were some counterfeit lots of Chinese ammo stamped LC52 (for Lake City 1952) and French ammo from the 60s that are claimed to be corrosive, but the bulk of it is OK.

I have some of the Chinese ammo, but haven't wanted to shoot it, or even test it to see if it's really corrosive. It's in the last-ditch SHTF box.

max

kenc9
05-11-2006, 9:44 AM
Thanks, here are some facts of production numbers. I was told the Bayo lug didn't exist untill the Korean conflict or installed at a later date, does that seem right?


Designed as a support weapon, the semi-automatic M1 carbine was lighter and less powerful than the M1 Garand rifle. The original Army request was for a weapon that could replace handguns for second-line troops. The initial design was done by David M. Williams and later refined by Winchester Repeating Arms. The M1 carbine was accepted by the U.S. Army on September 30, 1941.

A variation of the M1 carbine was the M2 carbine, which was identical except that it had a selective fire feature allowing for either semi-automatic or fully-automatic fire and used a 30-round magazine. The M2 carbine had a rate of fire of 650-700 rounds per minute, and was put into service on October 23, 1944.

From June 1942 to August 1945 over 6,000,000 M1 carbines were produced by nine different manufacturers.

Manufacturer Production %
Inland Manufacturing Division (GMC) 2,632,097 43%
Winchester Repeating Arms Co. 828,059 13.5%
Underwood-Elliot-Fisher Co. 545,616 8.9%
Saginaw Steering Gear Division (GMC) 517,212 8.5%
National Postal Meter Co. 413,017 6.8%
Quality Hardware & Machine Co. 359,666 5.9%
International Business Machines Corp. 346,500 5.7%
Standard Products Co. 247,160 4%
Rock-Ola Co. 228,500 3.7%

The M1 carbine was used in the Korean War and the opening years of the Vietnam War, but was eventually replaced by the M16.

slowjonn
05-11-2006, 11:21 AM
The Bayo lug was used by both Inland and Winchester towards the very end of WWII. No other makers used it as their contracts/ production was pretty much done by then. If another maker has a bayo lug on it, it is pretty near certain that it went through a post war refurb.

I say pretty near certain because as you will find out...there are a lot of crazy anomyles when it comes to the carbine. There was a lot of part swaps done between the different manufacturors to meet production schedules. Sometimes the first parts into the parts bin were the last out so when you look at the various books and what they have to say regarding a correct part for a certain serial number range, take it with a grain of salt. There have been many carbines that someone restored to what they thought was original, only to find out the just decreased the value of their once correct carbine.

Regardless of whether yours is correct, rearsenaled or restored, you made one hell of a purchase on yours. That would fetch at least $7-800 on the auction sites, maybe more as Standard Products were one of the carbines least produced. Great job on that! Enjoy it. They are very contagious and seem to multiply without warning. I'm at 12 right now and still looking.:)

kenc9
05-11-2006, 3:38 PM
When I started collecting all my Finns or Russian Mosins were pretty cheap mostly under 200.00. then it went to 250.00 to 350.00 range for the Finn 24's
27's and the Dragoons and now with the AR's and such it is a consistant 600. to800.00 or so.

The only cheap rifles have been the AK's that are back to the 200.00 dollar range :)

But my point is I have too many pricy guns I want to gey 5 or 6 more of these.

I have a FAL kit I am going to do when the AK's and the other AR gets done.

-ken

Lester
05-13-2006, 11:27 AM
Here's the $64 question: Is your carbine an import?

kenc9
05-13-2006, 1:22 PM
Here's the $64 question: Is your carbine an import?


NO...Do I get the $64 now :eek:

-ken

wutzu
05-18-2006, 5:16 PM
Most M1 carbine ammo is non-corrosive. There were some counterfeit lots of Chinese ammo stamped LC52 (for Lake City 1952) and French ammo from the 60s that are claimed to be corrosive, but the bulk of it is OK.

I have some of the Chinese ammo, but haven't wanted to shoot it, or even test it to see if it's really corrosive. It's in the last-ditch SHTF box.

max
The gun was specifically designed for non-corrosive ammo, so that's what Uncle Sam bought for it.