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Wicked Pete
08-24-2010, 5:44 PM
I've got a Cabela's 50 cal. Enjoy it every now and then. Reminds of "Zen and the Art of BP shooting". It's a shooting process that takes time and concentration; like a meditation.

What's this I hear about: you can only have one lb. (one can) of Black Powder? Last purchase, I ordered some on-line, is the ammo ban affecting BP? How much can we have at home?

CSACANNONEER
08-24-2010, 5:58 PM
Took my first buck with a charcoal burner in '86.

You can have 5 lbs. There was a thread about this within the last week.

smle-man
08-24-2010, 6:25 PM
I've been shooting black powder on and off since the early 70s when I bought a Parker-Hale .58 Enfield musketoon. I currently have a Ruger Old Army and a Martini Henry .577/450 although I use Pyrodex instead of black powder to avoid any storage issues.

wingnut948
08-24-2010, 7:00 PM
I've got 2 Pietta 1860 colt army and one Pietta 1858 Remington, and I love shooting them. Ironically, the 1860 is the only one of my revolvers that I can hit consistent bullseyes at 25 yds. Lately I've been making my own BP using the CIA "field expedient" method, but so far I'm not impressed enough with the quality to try it in one of my revolvers. I think I'll obtain a decent ball mill and make it the old fashioned way.

CSACANNONEER
08-24-2010, 7:03 PM
I use Pyrodex .

BLASHPHAMY!!!!!

11Z50
08-24-2010, 7:18 PM
I recently got into muzzle loading and thoroughly enjoy it. My favorite piece is my 20 gauge howdah pistol. I also shoot 2 Ruger old Army pistols and a few others as well. I have a Cabela's sport .50 Hawken and enjoy it too!!!

hk91666
08-24-2010, 7:26 PM
Okay no purist comments, I have a 1858 Pietta .44 and a Pedrosoli Denali .50
Got lucky on the Denali last year from Cabelas closeout for $135.

I shoot pellets 30 grain and ball in Pietta and 2-50 grain (100gr) in Denali with 45 cal sabots. The inline is great especially being left handed.

radio2
08-24-2010, 7:28 PM
I have a TC hawkins rifle and Ruger old army I enjoy, But my mortars and cannons are the most fun!! And no Pyrodex, Goex BP only!

Fjold
08-24-2010, 7:37 PM
I have a left handed, .54 caliber TC Renegade, front stuffer.

Springfield45
08-24-2010, 8:00 PM
Yea! Over here behind the smoke.

Tanner68
08-24-2010, 8:11 PM
I have a .54 caliber Lymans Great Plains rifle. I have used it a couple times to put venison in the freezer. I agree with the OP about how cool the process and pace of shooting is when it's BP. And I just got a Pietta 1858, but haven't shot it yet. And a flintlock for hunting small game is on my short list of guns to get.

tujungatoes
08-24-2010, 8:12 PM
just got the pietta 1858 right now. but a long gun is on the list.

hylander
08-24-2010, 8:18 PM
BLASHPHAMY!!!!!

+1

777 is the only way to go :43:

I shoot a Lyman .50 Great Plains
I get well over 300fps higher velocity than BP with the same 70-75 gr. load under
a .495 RB and better accuracy.
However there is nothing like the smell and smoke of real BP.
Black Elephant an Swiss were the best ;)

Sabot
08-24-2010, 8:28 PM
23 Revolvers
4 Caplock Pistols, 1 Flintlock
3 Caplock Rifles, 1 Flintlock, 1 Cartridge

blackfalcon
08-24-2010, 8:35 PM
1873 Trapdoor carbine, does that count?

CSACANNONEER
08-25-2010, 5:53 AM
I have a left handed, .54 caliber TC Renegade, front stuffer.

Exactly the same as the first one I built (from a kit). Is yours a 1:48 or a 1:66 twist? I found an old kit from the 70's and got a 1:66. I figured that a dedicated RB barrel was better than comprimising with the 1:48 RB and conical barrel.

hylander
08-25-2010, 6:28 AM
1:66. I figured that a dedicated RB barrel was better than comprimising with the 1:48 RB and conical barrel.

1:66 is definatly a better choice for dedicated RB.
I started with a T/C Hawkin 1:48 and found it was ok for both RB and Conical.
However the accuracy and velocity are much improved with 1:66 for RB
or 1:28 - 1:32 for Conical

Fjold
08-25-2010, 6:37 AM
Exactly the same as the first one I built (from a kit). Is yours a 1:48 or a 1:66 twist? I found an old kit from the 70's and got a 1:66. I figured that a dedicated RB barrel was better than comprimising with the 1:48 RB and conical barrel.

Mine's the 1:48" kit from the mid 80's, the worst twist made for those. The 1:66" works better for round ball and the 1:24" works better for conicals.

r3dn3ck
08-25-2010, 6:56 AM
I shoot a .50 caplock Hawken. It's a kit gun and 1 of 2 that me and my pops assembled. It's taken a few critters. I shoot mostly pyrodex but I keep a can of 3f Goex laying around just in case. I usually use .495 patched balls over 70grs of FFF (pyrodex P) for horsing around. For hunting and season prep I use a 265gr .429" Hornady XTP in a sabot over 90grs.

Rule .308
08-25-2010, 7:09 AM
I have yet to pick up any long guns but I do have a Ruger Old Army in stainless, a couple of 1858 Remington's and an 1851 Navy in 36. I really enjoy shooting my black powder pistols. My son is such a fan of The Good The Bad and The Ugly I bought him a Colt Navy in .36 and we have a good time shooting them when time allows.

Barabas
08-25-2010, 7:42 AM
I've had a few front-stuffers go through my hands over the years. I think I have a 70's complete Japanese flint pistol in a box somewhere. That's probably the only complete BP firearm I have at the moment. I have a handful of locks and stocks in various states of completion, but haven't messed around with any of it in the last five years.

I'm seriously considering clearing out my matchlock backstock to make "room" in my head for a wheellock. I've spent the last twenty years thinking about it, might be time to start working on it.

I've never gone hunting with any of them, but I've been tempted to put a rig together since the weather has been so cool this year. A little late for that this year.

rp55
08-25-2010, 8:44 AM
2 Pietta 1860 Army revolvers and one sheriff's model. Every time I shoot one of them at a range at least one person comes up to me and talks about BP shooting.

Noonanda
08-25-2010, 8:59 AM
I only have an 1851 Navy repro that I bought because of Blondie in "the good, the bad, and the ugly", but it is fun to shoot. Recently I started making paper cartridges for it with some decent results, seems to not be as messy and cleans up alot easier. I am kinda curious what kind of MV I am getting, and without a Cronograph Im kinda in the dark. But would love to use it for BP hunting, maybe use it as a backup gun for coyote, or if I was comfortable enough with shooting it and the MV was fast enough use it for Deer for 25-50 yds, little more than archery ranges

gun toting monkeyboy
08-25-2010, 9:16 AM
Cartridges or loose? I have used the holy black in a 1871/84 Mauser. Never again. It took me more than 3 hours to get it clean enough for my standards. Now all my cartridge guns use light (very light) loads of smokeless.

As for loose powder, I have a Armi San Marco stainless 1858 clone. Nice and accurate. I also have a .45 caliber snapping matchlock rifle and a .38 caliber underhammer rifle. I am going to be getting a second barrel made up for the underhammer, as I drew a muzzle loading tag for deer this year. The oddball that I just picked up appears to be an older reproduction of an 1841 Mississippi rifle. It is the musket version with all of the correct markings for the rifle version. And it is about .65 caliber. Somebody aged the outside and cut it down to make it a sporter, but the internals all look brabd new and machine tooled. It is quite the conundrum. I'll probably just end up using it as a shotgun. The last one I have is a SxS percussion shotgun made by Mortimer in the late 1800's. It needs some serious work, but could turn out to be a fairly nice piece when it is done.

Barabas
08-25-2010, 10:00 AM
Wow! :notworthy:


Pshaw! I have yet to complete a single smokepole, people keep making offers I can't refuse on incomplete projects.

I'm really a novice when it comes down to stock work, inletting, etc. I've had plenty of practice making locks though, but even 3/4 of those never got finished by me.

The wheellock will be my see-it-through-til-the-end project though. I have enough documentation to start it, I just have to finish a bunch of other projects first. Like my AK pistols, someone sell me some cheap kits so I can get them built and out of the way.

RudyN
08-25-2010, 10:20 AM
I have a few BP Guns. 1863 Zouave, 1861 Springfield Rifle-Musket, two 1858 Remington Revolvers and a Traditions .50 cal Hawken.

Tallship
08-25-2010, 10:26 AM
I've got a few:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z182/tallship2/BPGuns.jpg

BTW, the middle one on the left isn't a reproduction.

scrat
08-25-2010, 11:39 AM
2 1851's 1 1860, 1 1858 custom, 1 WALKER 1 50 Cal yep i smoke the powder

CSACANNONEER
08-25-2010, 4:08 PM
Since people are listing their toys, I'll list most of mine.

1 original .36 cal Colt
1 .32 cal pepperbox
1 .36 cal boot gun (I forget what it's called)
1 .45 Kentucky FL pistol
1 TC .45 Patriot
2 derringer kits waiting to be built
4-6 replica revolvers
1 TC LH .54 cal Renegade
1 TC RH .50 cal Hawkins with a bubba'd hammer and 3x9 scope
1 TC RH .45 cal Hawkins
1 TC RH .50 cal Renegade
1 Pedersali .54 cal swivel gun
1 SxS 12g
1 OU Berretta 12g (yes, it's a front loader)
1 original .22(?) cal cap lock rifle (probably French in orgin)
a .17 cal cannon
a .44 cal cannon

and probably a few others that I've fogotten about.


No inline crap, no NNA revolver (although, I might get one someday), no SS crap, no chrome crap, no electronic ignition systems, etc.


Mine's the 1:48" kit from the mid 80's, the worst twist made for those. The 1:66" works better for round ball and the 1:24" works better for conicals.

I built mine in '86. I could have bought a new factory built rifle for $10 less but, the shop that I was dealing with (Atascadero Guns) was able to find an old kit from the '70s with a 1:66 and all metal was in the white! Since I wanted it browned and dedicated RB, I spent the extra $10 (a lot for a college student at that time) to get what I wanted. I got real lucky!

JSolie
08-25-2010, 4:15 PM
I've got an 1858 Remington with a brass frame that I built from a kit my father bought me when I was a teenager. I don't recall who made it as the original box is long gone.

Wicked Pete
08-26-2010, 8:51 AM
I've got a few:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z182/tallship2/BPGuns.jpg

BTW, the middle one on the left isn't a reproduction.

Tallship: Beautiful collection!

Wicked Pete
08-26-2010, 8:52 AM
Since people are listing their toys, I'll list most of mine.

1 original .36 cal Colt
1 .32 cal pepperbox
1 .36 cal boot gun (I forget what it's called)
1 .45 Kentucky FL pistol
1 TC .45 Patriot
2 derringer kits waiting to be built
4-6 replica revolvers
1 TC LH .54 cal Renegade
1 TC RH .50 cal Hawkins with a bubba'd hammer and 3x9 scope
1 TC RH .45 cal Hawkins
1 TC RH .50 cal Renegade
1 Pedersali .54 cal swivel gun
1 SxS 12g
1 OU Berretta 12g (yes, it's a front loader)
1 original .22(?) cal cap lock rifle (probably French in orgin)
a .17 cal cannon
a .44 cal cannon

and probably a few others that I've fogotten about.


No inline crap, no NNA revolver (although, I might get one someday), no SS crap, no chrome crap, no electronic ignition systems, etc.




I built mine in '86. I could have bought a new factory built rifle for $10 less but, the shop that I was dealing with (Atascadero Guns) was able to find an old kit from the '70s with a 1:66 and all metal was in the white! Since I wanted it browned and dedicated RB, I spent the extra $10 (a lot for a college student at that time) to get what I wanted. I got real lucky!

Got any photos?

Rogu3
08-26-2010, 5:51 PM
I'm one right here...and those are some DAMN fine lookin navy revolvers there.

Right now i have a Kentucky .45, Hawken .50, and a Knight .50 i got for free.

That knight...pretty wicked, got consistent hits at 400 (about 10 inches) with barnes 285 gr MZs.

CSACANNONEER
08-26-2010, 6:11 PM
Got any photos?

If I get real bored this weekend, I may dig a few out and takes some. Here's the Berretta OU just to tease you:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/csacannoneer/001-8.jpg


"Can't we all just get along?"

Reenacting it's a defarbed replica with Holy Black. Hunting a stainless inline with Pyrodex. WTB a CVA Electra. Selling any black powder arms? PM me.

I've been shooting and hunting with frontstuffers since '86. I've been re-enacting since 2000. The ONLY times I have fired pyrodex has been in period clothing on the Californian when they did not have a BP permit and doing "special effects" at Moorpark.

Rogu3
08-26-2010, 6:13 PM
What's wrong with Pyrodex?

Someone just wants all the pretty white smoke eh?

radio2
08-26-2010, 6:40 PM
What's wrong with Pyrodex?


It's not Black Powder, It's a BP substitute.

Rogu3
08-26-2010, 6:42 PM
It's not Black Powder, It's a BP substitute.

Yes...and?

radio2
08-26-2010, 7:10 PM
And if you use pyrodex your NOT a true Black Powder shooter. The smoke is the best part of it.

wild_weasel
08-26-2010, 7:13 PM
I have a SS 5 1/2 fixed sight Ruger Old Army, with an R&D 45 Colt conversion cylinder. It shoots great C&B and metalic cartridge.

Cheers,
W-W

Rogu3
08-26-2010, 7:13 PM
So that means my hawken isn't a black-powder rifle?

Sheesh, i mean i like the smoke. I use FFG. But sometimes i don't feel like cleaning. And sometimes i want to fire more than 20 rounds.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
08-26-2010, 7:17 PM
1" bore Rodman replica... #3 fishing weights go a long ways downrange.

I have an assortment of BP pistols and a Navy Arms double .50 rifle, but haven't shot them in years - ever since the C-in-C placed the dishwasher off limits as a BP cleaning device.

RudyN
08-26-2010, 7:21 PM
I love the smell of Black Powder in the morning.

Divernhunter
08-26-2010, 7:22 PM
I have 4 and use to hunt Nev deer with the rifles.

kdm
08-26-2010, 7:28 PM
I still haven't bought the Pedersoli Howdah Hunter...been wanting that for many moons now. Can't seem to part with the 6 bills, tho.

Mac Attack
08-26-2010, 8:28 PM
I like to make big clouds of smoke :D! I have a couple of BP rifles. My first and one of the funnest to shoot is an old Thompson Hawken's rifle in .50 cal. I front stuff that thing with real blackpowder (FF Goex to be exact) and it is fairly accurate out to 100 yards. Beyond a 100 yards and it's a crapshoot.

My other BP rifle is a Sharp's 45-70 that I load cartridges with BP. CSA and tujungatoes had a chance to shoot it a month ago and we were able to hit the 200 yard gong after some adjustments of my vernier sight. I am sure the rifle is much more accurate than I am but I was able to hit the 400 yard gong with open sights fairly regularly after proper sight adjustment.

I still need to learn how to adjust the vernier sight for MOA as I have no idea how to other than via trial and error.

How about a BP shoot next month? I need to take the boy's out for some much needed trigger time. Nothing like spending a whole day shooting and only shooting off 20 - 30 rounds :). If you don't take 5 minutes to clean, load and fire a BP then you are not enjoying the moment.

stitchnicklas
08-26-2010, 8:49 PM
i shoot a cva .50cal buckhorn bp
pyrodeex 50g pellets ,3 at a time for a mag charge....
totally fun..

Peter in CA
08-27-2010, 4:35 PM
Greetings,
I shot my Pedersoli Sharps 45-90 at the range last Sunday. I had forgotten just how much fun that rifle is to shoot. I now need to load up some more rounds and take her back to the range. And maybe drag along the Gibbs rifle for the fun of it.

Peter in CA

tteng
08-27-2010, 5:29 PM
willow charcoal/stump remover/sulfur (15/75/10) using ball mill and alcohol precipitation method, and graded it w/ a wire mesh strainer; only did it once (about a pound worth) and it came out fluffier than Goex's FFg. Mine burns (in open air) fast like the real thing, but leaves a lot more residue. It works both in my flinter (repro pennsylvania rifle, cal 50) and BP cartridge (real 1873 trapdoor, cal 45-70), too. Don't group well as Goex, smells different, a lot more flame..and man, shoots on sunday and takes the rest of week to clean. A lot of fun though..and I never did return the strainer to my wife.

Rogu3
08-27-2010, 5:35 PM
Where'd you get the trapdoor? I've been looking to get a hold of one.

jigenax
08-27-2010, 5:53 PM
I got about 9 BP shooting irons, mostly used them when I was into CW reenactments. But it's been awhile since I last shot some Goex BP. Think it's time to cook up some bacon grease and pop a few caps.

jpscoot_21
08-27-2010, 6:13 PM
I found an 80's t/c .50 kit hawken (1:48 twist) in really good shape at a thrift store in my neighborhood.
I did all my research and found all the other stuff I'd need while traveling at Cabelas. I noticed they have Goex at Angeles range when I first took it out to shoot. I have some Pyrodex and some Shockey powder to try. I really would like to get back to the range and really spend a day working up which loads it likes. Another thing I'd like to do is send it to gunsmith Jim Dubell at Delta gunshop in Washington to deepen the grooves.

Army GI
08-28-2010, 8:43 AM
Sure,

I used to have a Winchester 94AE in .45 Colt. I fired blackpowder loads with it and it was very fun. Ballistics on it sucked though.

I also fired those same blackpowder loads in my Colt Single Action Army with a 7.5" barrel. I sold it because I didn't like the barrel length.

I also had a Winchester 1886 in 45-70 that I bought and I meant to fire blackpowder in it but I never got around to it. I sold it because I couldn't load 500gr bullets in it.

I am looking to get an 1884 Trapdoor Springfield so I can fire blackpowder 500gr loads in it.

I've always wanted to try a muzzle loader. I'm looking to get an American made Pennsylvania Long Rifle in .45 or something similar.

maddoggie13
08-28-2010, 8:52 AM
TC rifle lover...

The Custard Pirate
08-28-2010, 10:46 AM
One .40 cal. rifle, one .50 cal, both percussion and a .54 cal flinter. Any sources of real black powder left in the SF Bay Area since Reeds in SJ closed?

tteng
08-30-2010, 10:14 AM
Where'd you get the trapdoor? I've been looking to get a hold of one.

Greg Martin auctions (used to be in SF, now in Irvine, CA). Every month or two, they'll have online auction of all sorts of firearms (usually C&R and antiques). The final price is winning bid+15%premium+tax.

The Custard Pirate
08-31-2010, 1:47 PM
Where'd you get the trapdoor? I've been looking to get a hold of one.

Trapdoors are almost as common as peanuts and most online antique dealers will have some. You can nearly always find one at a gunshow too. If you are looking for a shooter, the model 1884 Trapdoor is the most cost effective because that's the most common model, shootable guns run around $7-800 and up. Avoid carbines as they are the most expensive and most likely to be faked, ie. a cut down rifle.

usmcchet9296
08-31-2010, 4:14 PM
Here are mine a Hawken 50cal and a 44cal Colt
Love it when I fire and everyone around me stops what they are doing and looks. BP sound totally differnent than other guns.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/4945094755_7e9dbdc0f8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945094755/)
Hawkens Rifle (2) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945094755/) by usmcchet92_96 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jhermesmeyer/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/4945095013_8f08b7677c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945095013/)
Hawkens Rifle (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945095013/) by usmcchet92_96 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jhermesmeyer/), on Flickr
Here is my repo 1850 Colt Army
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/4945679270_b16ed62bdf_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945679270/)
Colt 1850 Army (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945679270/) by usmcchet92_96 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jhermesmeyer/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/4945095683_96f78d7bb7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945095683/)
Colt 1850 Army (2) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/4945095683/) by usmcchet92_96 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jhermesmeyer/), on Flickr

Nodda Duma
08-31-2010, 8:44 PM
I have an 1876 Swiss Vetterli which I shoot. Most times I'll load up 19 grains of Alliant 2400 because the rifle's time-consuming to clean properly, but sometimes I'll go ahead and load up some blackpowder cartridges for the fun of it.

Also have a Remington No. 1 Rolling Block chambered in 43 Spanish which I have yet to shoot... needing an extractor and main spring before I can.

-Jason

longhunter49
09-01-2010, 12:30 AM
Now for something completely different......I shoot CAS and my newest toy is a Uberti Walker I converted to .45 colt cartridge, complete with ejector rod. Lots 'o smoke and flame with BP cartridges.


67249

WVL
09-09-2010, 7:52 PM
I have a "Hopkins & Allen" under hammer 45 I bought new in 1963. Long barrel 1.5 in round and 10 pounds. Also, a 1858 Lyman 36 cal. Two weeks ago I spotted an old rifle in an antique store in san francisco. For $140 I got a 2nd Allin conversion 1866 50-70 Springfield trapdoor. I shot it with full 50-70 420 gr loads a few days ago. The barrel was full of old BP crud but cleaned uo OK. First six shots at 100yds I can cover with my hand.Tomorrow my handloads.
WVL

stitchnicklas
09-09-2010, 9:15 PM
all i have is my cva 50cal buckhorn....does that count?:rolleyes:

Cuda440
09-10-2010, 6:08 PM
I got hooked on bp when I was in the boy scouts, here's my meager collection:
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad274/wyotech_cuda440/1284170659.jpg
50cal Hawken, 44cal 1858 Remington, and 45 cal hog-leg. I use goex powder, and I mold my own rounds.

Roger K
09-12-2010, 1:59 PM
All my muzzle loaders are kits that, with two exceptions, I put together myself. My favorite is a CVA .50 cal Hawkins. I can legitimately call them muzzle loaders or replica black powder guns. After all, they do really load from the front. I use pyrodex mostly because cleaning up after FFG is a PITA. I freely admit that it's a replica powder in replica firearms and the smoke is replica smoke. :rolleyes: The bullets are replica bullets made out of real lead; the holes they make in the targets are real holes. :D

Captain Cogle
09-13-2010, 12:31 PM
Here is my list of toys, all are reproductions.
1. 1630-1660's era Fishtail English Lock smooth bore Musket in .75
2. Model 1695 French Grenadier smooth bore Firelock musket in .69
3. 1690's-1750's era Scottish Steel flintlock smooth bore pistol in .62
3. Model 1816 Harpers Ferry Flintlock Smooth bore musket in .69
4. Model 1853 English Enfield Rifled Musket in .577
5. 1858 Remington Army revolver pistol in .44
6. 1620-1660's era English styled Matchlock smooth bore musket in .62 (being built)
7. 1680-1720's era Scottish Snaphaunce fowling piece in .75 (being built)
8. 1670-1740's era Dutch style Club Butt fowling piece in .62 (being built)
(The next few are black powder era but can take modern smokeless cartridges.)
9. 1880's double barrel hammer out coach shot gun in 12 gauge
10. Model 1872 Colt Richards and Mason Conversion in .38 Special
11. 1870's Winchester lever action in 30-30.
12. 1873 Colt Peacemaker in .45 Colt.

Yeah I have a few TRUE black powder weapons. And I hold nothing but the greatest of contempt for the millions of inline and Hawkins wannabe black powder historically inaccurate crap out there.:) No insult to the shooters out there. Just hate those guns.
Get a real traditional gun from some period or will never get the true feel and experience of a real black powder firearm. Its like buying a semi-auto .22 rifle and saying "Well its just like an AR-15 they are both semi automatic!" Bull pucky.

BHP FAN
09-14-2010, 9:59 AM
Oh, I've got bunches...revolvers, rifles muskets....Trapdoors Underhammers, Hawkens. I like me some black powder.

kdmmcc
10-15-2010, 12:31 PM
I'm one right here...and those are some DAMN fine lookin navy revolvers there.

Right now i have a Kentucky .45, Hawken .50, and a Knight .50 i got for free.

That knight...pretty wicked, got consistent hits at 400 (about 10 inches) with barnes 285 gr MZs.

I want to get a .50 Hawken, but so many different makers... who makes a good, solid, dependable one?

sardaukar
10-15-2010, 8:40 PM
I shoot BP once in a while.

exlibris55
12-06-2011, 11:50 AM
Thread back from the dead... :eek:

My Afghan tour buddy sent me an authentic P-1853 Enfield .577, with proof marks, broadhead stamps, crown & E, banged-up but not broke stock, and clear barrel, no fractures, cracks, or other visible damage. Seeing as it's probably from India or Pak originally, I'm sure it's seen service for the last century, plus a few decades.

Took it to both J&R in Livermore and I&S in San Carlos, both said it looked solid.

Nipple accepts the re-enactor's 4-wing caps, and I have FFG powder (Pyrodex RS). Minie-balls on order from TOTW. Nipple is clear down to the base of the barrel, and seems safe to fire.

Where do I go to shoot it? Any rifle range, right?? Well, I called Chabot range and they wouldn't let me shoot it without a gunsmith's written guarantee. Bastids...

I see their point as to liability, but if I load it with half a load of straight powder first, no projectile, and sandbag it in place, pull the trigger from a distance (10' or so, maybe more) with some 550 cord, then bump up to a full load (60 grains, no ball), then full load & ball, all with trigger-pull from a distance...

Any comments, concerns, freak-outs? Bueller? Bueller???

Anybody want to examine either the weapon or my head? I assume (yeah, don't go there) that it's lived this long without damage, that putting a few rounds through it wouldn't be a problem. I just don't want safe-queens. I own, I shoot. Wall-hangers are decoration, might as well put a doily on it.

gunboat
12-06-2011, 10:21 PM
Rifles -
Trapdoor 50/70, 84 trapdoor 45/70, 71mauser 11mm, 71/84 11mm, and a 11mm spanish rem rolling block.
I agree with Monkey boy, cleaning the 71/84 is too big a chore, so smokeless is powder of choice for it.
Pistols -- original 58 remington, very well worn, a colt 51 copy and 62 pocket copy.

Lead Waster
12-08-2011, 2:31 PM
Well, my Pietta Remington 1858 just showed up! (It had been backordered since around Thanksgiving)

I really look forward to shooting this! Now gotta get the balls, caps, etc, etc...

No why can't Walmart stock up on that stuff in their ammo locker? :p

CSACANNONEER
12-08-2011, 2:47 PM
Thread back from the dead... :eek:

My Afghan tour buddy sent me an authentic P-1853 Enfield .577, with proof marks, broadhead stamps, crown & E, banged-up but not broke stock, and clear barrel, no fractures, cracks, or other visible damage. Seeing as it's probably from India or Pak originally, I'm sure it's seen service for the last century, plus a few decades.

Took it to both J&R in Livermore and I&S in San Carlos, both said it looked solid.

Nipple accepts the re-enactor's 4-wing caps, and I have FFG powder (Pyrodex RS). Minie-balls on order from TOTW. Nipple is clear down to the base of the barrel, and seems safe to fire.

Where do I go to shoot it? Any rifle range, right?? Well, I called Chabot range and they wouldn't let me shoot it without a gunsmith's written guarantee. Bastids...

I see their point as to liability, but if I load it with half a load of straight powder first, no projectile, and sandbag it in place, pull the trigger from a distance (10' or so, maybe more) with some 550 cord, then bump up to a full load (60 grains, no ball), then full load & ball, all with trigger-pull from a distance...

Any comments, concerns, freak-outs? Bueller? Bueller???

Anybody want to examine either the weapon or my head? I assume (yeah, don't go there) that it's lived this long without damage, that putting a few rounds through it wouldn't be a problem. I just don't want safe-queens. I own, I shoot. Wall-hangers are decoration, might as well put a doily on it.

Since there is no certification required to become a gunsmith, it would be pretty ease for someone to inspect your gun and give you a written garentee. Hell, it might even be the first thing this person ever does as a "gunsmith".;)

Old Scribe
12-08-2011, 4:52 PM
Rifles: .50 cal Investarms cap lock; .50 cal flintlock custom built by Jack Garner.
Shot guns: 20 guage SxS Pedrisoli: 12 guage LeFever SxS
Revolvers: .44 cal Colt Navy: .44 cal Remington Army
I love shootin' them all!!

Bigyates
12-08-2011, 9:02 PM
Took my first buck with a charcoal burner in '86.

You can have 5 lbs. There was a thread about this within the last week.

So what is the law; 1lb or 5lbs per shooter or per household? Looking back at the older thread I saw no consensus.

CSACANNONEER
12-09-2011, 5:50 AM
So what is the law; 1lb or 5lbs per shooter or per household? Looking back at the older thread I saw no consensus.


Last I knew, you could have 5lbs at home without a powder magazine and/or some sort of permit. Also, last I knew, you could only transport up to one pound in it's original container. Also, local laws may be more restrictive.

Curley Red
12-09-2011, 6:38 AM
Here is my pride and enjoy. 1 of 2 made in 75 caliber with a octagon rifled barrel. Fiddleback maple wood.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/PsychoZ/Firearm/IMGP3890.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/PsychoZ/Firearm/IMGP3892.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/PsychoZ/Firearm/IMGP3894.jpg

I also have a couple other flintlocks in 44 caliber, a wheellock that I split the stock on so it is incomplete until I can fix or replace the stock and a couple cap and balls that I use at cowboy shooting when I feel like being nostalgic.

GOEX or go home!!!

bplvr
12-09-2011, 4:40 PM
I smell rotten eggs...............................:D

and I added 2 modern .50cal. smokies .

Springfield45
12-09-2011, 5:27 PM
Here is my toys.

.54 cal St. Lewis Hawken (ASM Reproduction)
.45 cal CVA Kentucky pistol (Kit gun)
.45 cal CVA Kentucky rifle (kit gun)
.45 cal Junkar Derringer (kit gun)
.50 cal CVA trapper pistol (kit gun)
.50 cal Traditions Deerhunter rifle (wifes)
.50 cal Traditions youth rifle (sons)
.44 cal 1860 revolver (reproduction)
.36 cal 1851 revolver (reproduction)
14 gauge side by side shotgun P.H. Walker & Sons, boston (original- Damascus barrels)
.58 cal P-1853 Enfield musket (original-Nepal) shooter
.58 cal P-1853 Enfield musket (original-Nepal) Wall-hanger
.58 cal p-1864 Enfield Snider Musket (original-Nepal) shooter
.450-577 P-1878 Martini-Henry Rifle (original-Nepal) no ammo
.45-70 1873 Springfield trap door rifle (Original)

.58 cal Dragoon pistol made out of P-1853 Enfield parts (building)

Eljay
12-09-2011, 6:10 PM
So what is the law; 1lb or 5lbs per shooter or per household? Looking back at the older thread I saw no consensus.

As far as I can tell it's one pound, and every cite I've seen claiming 5 pounds refers to a section talking about a pyrotechnics permit, but people just don't seem to want to believe it so they don't. There was actually a guy charged recently for having over a pound so perhaps you could search for news articles about that.

This attorney definitely seems to think it's one pound: http://www.gunlaw.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=91

wellfedirishman
12-09-2011, 6:17 PM
I have (or have had) a handful:

Pedersoli 72 cal double rifle:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=484390

CVA 54 Cal Hawken:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=414023

Pietta Colt 1860 replica:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=374735

Uberti Sharps 45-70:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=361711

Uberti 1847 Walker:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=106834

Pedersoli 20 gauge Howdah pistol:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=101612

Nepalese Gahendra 577/450 antique (beast of a gun):
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=65952

and a few without range reports.

Black powder (and Pyrodex) is good for the soul, but you come back covered in soot and grease and smelling like a caveman.

bplvr
12-09-2011, 6:44 PM
As far as I can tell it's one pound, and every cite I've seen claiming 5 pounds refers to a section talking about a pyrotechnics permit, but people just don't seem to want to believe it so they don't. There was actually a guy charged recently for having over a pound so perhaps you could search for news articles about that.

This attorney definitely seems to think it's one pound: http://www.gunlaw.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=91

When one goes out on the field at a CW event we have 100 rounds @70 gr ea.on hand for each battle. {which is a lb.}
Moorpark has 5 battles on a weekend. I know that locally I can't buy more than a lb. every 24 hours.

CSACANNONEER
12-09-2011, 7:02 PM
When one goes out on the field at a CW event we have 100 rounds @70 gr ea.on hand for each battle. {which is a lb.}
Moorpark has 5 battles on a weekend. I know that locally I can't buy more than a lb. every 24 hours.

Lol. My unit can burn through 200lbs at an event. Of course, we don't buy locally.

bplvr
12-09-2011, 7:19 PM
Lol. My unit can burn through 200lbs at an event. Of course, we don't buy locally.

My point exactly. A CW event is just a gathering of radical felons if you
follow this thread.

Next time I capture your cannon I'll be sure to grab some powder. :D Yins guys got LOTS !!

.
. See you in the field Johny Reb. :oji:

OHOD
12-09-2011, 7:37 PM
I used to have a Philadelphia Derringer Replic when I was a kid.
Loved shooting it. BOOM! Smoke, smell of Gun Powder.
Really cool.

But I gave it to a friend. :(

I even had a cannon. Used to shoot shot into a lake.
But then again I used to have a potato cannon as well.

My brother got a crazy hair and used black powder to propel the potato's.
:eek:
Crazy as heck!

Ahh, those were the days growing up in Florida in the 70's. :p

bplvr
12-09-2011, 8:44 PM
I used to have a Philadelphia Derringer Replic when I was a kid.
Loved shooting it. BOOM! Smoke, smell of Gun Powder.
Really cool.

But I gave it to a friend. :(

I even had a cannon. Used to shoot shot into a lake.
But then again I used to have a potato cannon as well.

My brother got a crazy hair and used black powder to propel the potato's.
:eek:
Crazy as heck!

Ahh, those were the days growing up in Florida in the 70's. :p


Ever get down to Naples ? Hang out at the pier @ 2am and shark fish ?
.
.

echo1
12-10-2011, 7:48 AM
I guess I'm not really a BP shooter. I've got a H&R .58 cal Huntsman that I haven't shot yet, and when I do I'm using Triple 7 I got with it. Merry christmas, PAX

Alan Block
12-12-2011, 4:17 PM
.45 cal Isaac Haines styled rifle I made about 25 years ago.

CBlacksheep
12-16-2011, 1:04 AM
I was introduced to black powder shooting a few summers ago. I'd been fortunate enough to win a Traditions Deer Hunter in .50 at a Friends of NRA function that I was unable to attend; needless to say, the news was well received. I've put nothing but black powder through it, and though the learning curve has been a little steep I have always enjoyed it. It makes a day at the range much more appreciable. I agree with OP's statement on the 'zen' of shooting black powder.

Mutant
12-16-2011, 5:52 PM
So that means my hawken isn't a black-powder rifle?

Sheesh, i mean i like the smoke. I use FFG. But sometimes i don't feel like cleaning. And sometimes i want to fire more than 20 rounds.

No problemo. Ignore the "purists" if you just like to shoot. Any bang is a good bang (in a firearm).

Be careful of Pyrodex though, many have written it is actually quite corrosove in itself.

xxINKxx
12-16-2011, 7:11 PM
I really want to get into black powder/muzzle loading.

Im 100% noob. Never even really payed attention to black powder and today I cleaned my dads 1861(?) colt navy replica for him (the one with the navy boat battle scene engraved on the cylinder). I said these look pretty sweet and he told me you dont need an FFL or anything since they arent treated like regular firearms. I was in shock I could get one shipped right to my door, or walk in and not even deal with filling out forms.

So all day ive been looking at different black powder pistols. Amazed at how cheap they can be had for (AS LOW AS 128$ shipped for a good reviewed revolver) !!!!

So far I have my eye on the .50 cal Pedersoli Kentucky pistol (percussion) love the style. But still alot to learn

This is like a whole new sport, and a whole new world has opened up for me.! All my AR-15 shopping will be at a hault and i'll be spending time doing research on these pistols since i know nothing. Hopefully I can get that pirate pistol and start swash buckling the range soon.

scamp62
12-16-2011, 8:01 PM
Pedrasoli 1874 sharps rifle in 45-70

6mmintl
12-19-2011, 6:59 PM
Freezarse Rendezvous at Manteca Sportsmen Jan 13, 14, 15.

a fun shoot in cowboy town.

Red Devil
12-20-2011, 6:38 PM
I want to get a .50 Hawken, but so many different makers... who makes a good, solid, dependable one?

Thompson Center...

Trojans
12-20-2011, 10:33 PM
I have a 54 cal Lyman's Great Plains rifle. It is my favorite firearm to shoot and clean. I equate it to making love to a Parisian on the Seine in black and white. That being said, for all you So Cal BP people do you have any interest in getting together at Angeles Range for some black powder shooting, gawking and talking? If so lets do it soon.

6mmintl
12-21-2011, 7:54 PM
take that out to Mateca sportsmen inc."Freezearse Rendezvous January 13/14/15 2012 for a fun shoot in cowboy town.

bothenook
12-21-2011, 8:15 PM
.50 cal Lyman Great Plains 1 in 60 twist caplock that i hit consistent bulls with offhand using a Lyman peep. and a 50 cal Lyman GP pistol that is almost more fun than a man should have with his clothes on. need to checker the pistol though. that round smooth grip is a tad tough to hang on to when feeding it 30 grains of FFFg. I love the ritual of shooting a charcoal burner. and i finally got off my duff and bought a 2 cavity .490" roundball mold to make it even more fun.